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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Focus / April 2004

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steve - 19 Apr 2004 21:14 GMT
My previous garage supplied my 2003 ST170 with 5W30 oil but I've just had it
serviced at another Ford garage and they've filled it with Magnatec which
looking at the Castrol site reckons it's 10W40.

Who's right, the new garage or the old? Will it cause me any problems?Should
I complain?!

Thanks.
Paul Giverin - 19 Apr 2004 22:20 GMT
>My previous garage supplied my 2003 ST170 with 5W30 oil but I've just had it
>serviced at another Ford garage and they've filled it with Magnatec which
>looking at the Castrol site reckons it's 10W40.
>
>Who's right, the new garage or the old? Will it cause me any problems?Should
>I complain?!

Magnatec is now available in 5w-30 although admittedly this isn't stated
on Castrol's site.

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SayWhat - 20 Apr 2004 03:24 GMT
> My previous garage supplied my 2003 ST170 with 5W30 oil but I've just
> had it serviced at another Ford garage and they've filled it with
> Magnatec which looking at the Castrol site reckons it's 10W40.
>
> Who's right, the new garage or the old? Will it cause me any
> problems?Should I complain?!

10W-30 is what Ford says to use.
Paul Giverin - 20 Apr 2004 09:58 GMT
>> My previous garage supplied my 2003 ST170 with 5W30 oil but I've just
>> had it serviced at another Ford garage and they've filled it with
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>10W-30 is what Ford says to use.

Not in the country the original poster lives.

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SayWhat - 21 Apr 2004 03:26 GMT
>>> My previous garage supplied my 2003 ST170 with 5W30 oil but I've
>>> just had it serviced at another Ford garage and they've filled it
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>>
> Not in the country the original poster lives.

Well? Is it a secret?
Paul Giverin - 21 Apr 2004 08:08 GMT
>>>> My previous garage supplied my 2003 ST170 with 5W30 oil but I've
>>>> just had it serviced at another Ford garage and they've filled it
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
>Well? Is it a secret?

Obviously not as I could tell where he was posting from. Don't assume
that Ford recommend the same grade of oil in every part of the world.

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SayWhat - 21 Apr 2004 13:25 GMT
>>>>> My previous garage supplied my 2003 ST170 with 5W30 oil but I've
>>>>> just had it serviced at another Ford garage and they've filled it
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> Obviously not as I could tell where he was posting from. Don't assume
> that Ford recommend the same grade of oil in every part of the world.

I was referring to the recommended oil weight in the UK. Ford typically
recommends heavier weight oils in Europe. 5W30 would be very unusual since
10W30 is the US recommendation. This sort of thing addresses the OP's
question.  BTW, any oil related engine parts are exactly the same whether
sold in the US or the UK. So, the question remains: do you know the Ford UK
oil weight recommendation for the ST170 engine?
Mark Olson - 21 Apr 2004 13:50 GMT
> I was referring to the recommended oil weight in the UK. Ford typically
> recommends heavier weight oils in Europe. 5W30 would be very unusual
> since 10W30 is the US recommendation. This sort of thing addresses
> the OP's question.  BTW, any oil related engine parts are exactly
> the same whether sold in the US or the UK. So, the question remains:
> do you know the Ford UK oil weight recommendation for the ST170 engine?

The Ford USA recommendation for most engines is now 5W-20, not 10W-30.
A few vehicles are exceptions to the 5W-20 recommendation, specifically
the SVT (AKA the ST170 in the UK) Focus.  For the exceptions, Ford USA
recommends 5W-30.  There is one vehicle class that uses 10W-30, and that
is FFVs (Flexible Fuel Vehicles).

Source:
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Article No.
     02-1-9 a.. ENGINE - ENGINE OIL - RECOMMENDED APPLICATIONS FOR SAE
5W-20 AND SAE 5W-30 MOTOR OILS - GASOLINE AND FLEXIBLE FUEL VEHICLES ONLY

     Publication Date: JANUARY 14, 2002

ISSUE:
Ford Motor Company now recommends SAE 5W-20 viscosity grade for servicing
most gasoline and flexible fueled vehicles.

ACTION:
All 2001 and 2002 vehicles where SAE 5W-20 is specified should be serviced
at the recommended oil change intervals using SAE 5W-20. This oil is an
improved formulation to improve fuel economy. Testing has validated this
viscosity grade can be used in many previous model year vehicles. It is
recommended ALL vehicles on the following Vehicle Application Listing
be service with SAE 5W-20.

All 2001-2002 vehicles other than those listed in the "Exception 2001
Vehicles" or "Exception 2002 Vehicles" chart are being filled with SAE
5W-20 motor oil at the factory and should also be serviced with SAE
5W-20 oil.

[snip list of vehicles affected]

...

NOTE: FOR 1993 THROUGH 1998 MODEL YEAR FFV USE XO-10W30-FFV.

     NOTE: THE "EXCEPTION 2001-2002 VEHICLES" SHOULD BE SERVICED WITH
     SAE 5W-30 MOTOR OIL.

Exception 2001 Vehicles

     Engine Vehicle
     3.3L  Villager
     3.9L Lincoln LS
     4.0L Ranger, Explorer/Mountaineer, Explorer Sport, and Explorer
     Sport Trac

Exception 2002 Vehicles

     Engine Vehicle
     2.0L HP Zetec SVT Focus
     3.3L Villager
     4.0L Ranger, Explorer/Mountaineer, Explorer Sport, and Explorer
     Sport Trac

     NOTE: IF VEHICLE IS NOT LISTED IN THIS APPLICATION, SAE 5W-30 OIL IS
     RECOMMENDED. REFER TO TSB 99-8-16.

...

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The reason for this recommendation for 5W-20 oil in new Fords is to
achieve higher CAFE (Corporate Average Fuel Economy) ratings.

The reason for the retroactive recommendation in older vehicles appears
to be a condition imposed by the EPA that Ford had to meet in order to
be allowed to specify 5W-20 in new vehicles, to improve the EPA fuel
mileage ratings.

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http://www.ford-trucks.com/dcforum/DCForumID30/524.html refers to it:

     I came across an article that appears to show that the 5w20 weight
     oils are being pushed by the car manufacturers to improve the
     CAFE rating just as many on this board suspected.  After reading
     this letter, I think if I had a 5w20 requirement in my new Ford,
     I wouldn't hesitate to switch to a 5w30! NOtice the emphasis by
     the EPA to make sure that the car manufacturers promoted the new
     oil in order to get the credit.

     http://www.epa.gov/otaq/cert/dearmfr/ccd0112.pdf

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HTH

Mark
Paul Giverin - 21 Apr 2004 14:45 GMT
>>>>> 10W-30 is what Ford says to use.
>>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>recommends heavier weight oils in Europe. 5W30 would be very unusual since
>10W30 is the US recommendation.

5W-30 *is* the recommended viscosity in the UK.

I understood from what US posters here had said, that the recommended
viscosity in the US was 5W-20.

> This sort of thing addresses the OP's
>question.  BTW, any oil related engine parts are exactly the same whether
>sold in the US or the UK.

But the climate is different not to mention the differing
environmental/emission standards between the UK and various US states.

> So, the question remains: do you know the Ford UK
>oil weight recommendation for the ST170 engine?

5W-30.

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Rockin Ronnie - 21 Apr 2004 23:25 GMT
Recommended in Canada is 5W20.
Ron

> >>>>> 10W-30 is what Ford says to use.
> >>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> >
> 5W-30.
Timothy J. Lee - 20 Apr 2004 04:31 GMT
>My previous garage supplied my 2003 ST170 with 5W30 oil but I've just had it
>serviced at another Ford garage and they've filled it with Magnatec which
>looking at the Castrol site reckons it's 10W40.
>
>Who's right, the new garage or the old? Will it cause me any problems?Should
>I complain?!

What is the oil specification in your owner's manual?

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Dave Gower - 20 Apr 2004 15:23 GMT
> My previous garage supplied my 2003 ST170 with 5W30 oil but I've just had it
> serviced at another Ford garage and they've filled it with Magnatec which
> looking at the Castrol site reckons it's 10W40.
>
> Who's right, the new garage or the old? Will it cause me any problems?

The 10 in the oil rating represents the viscosity when cold. 10W40 is a
warm-weather oil which is reasonable at this time of year. At cool
temperatures (say down to freezing) it will flow a little slower than
5-weight but not enough to cause any harm. The difference is only relevant
during winter.
 
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