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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Focus / September 2004

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US model ZX3 2003 Air Conditioner on with Fan?

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Donglok - 28 Jul 2004 18:55 GMT
I own ZX3 2003 US model. When I turn on the fan, it seems that the
air conditioner is also turned on (although the air conditioner
switch's light is still off). Is this what it should be? Has anyone
had the same problem? In summer, I would turn on the air conditioner
but I also want to blow out the air conditioner odor away before I
turn off the engine. There is no way and I get that smell next
time I turn on the car.

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Dave Gower - 29 Jul 2004 00:40 GMT
> I own ZX3 2003 US model. When I turn on the fan, it seems that the
> air conditioner is also turned on (although the air conditioner
> switch's light is still off

When the direction dial is set to defrost (i.e. blows on the windshield) the
air conditioning comes on automatically unless the fan is off. This is to
help dry the moisture off the windshield. You can see information on this in
your owner's manual.
Josef Erbs - 29 Jul 2004 19:25 GMT
 There is no way and I get that smell next
> time I turn on the car.

Hi
if you get smell from your ac, you need to let it clean. I get no smell
from mine, and it get cleaned every two years.
bye
Jupp
Josef Erbs - 31 Jul 2004 18:38 GMT
> if you get smell from your ac, you need to let it clean. I get no smell
> from mine, and it get cleaned every two years.

Hi
I forgot:
its a German one, of course
:-)
bye
Jupp
Basic Wedge - 01 Aug 2004 15:49 GMT
The engine parts for my Canadian market Focus came from every corner of the
globe, making it the most "International" car I've ever encountered. I
wouldn't be at all surprised if European and North American models shared a
wide range of parts, including A/C cores.

Rob

---------------------------------

> I forgot:
> its a German one, of course
> :-)
> bye
> Jupp
Josef Erbs - 01 Aug 2004 16:15 GMT
> The engine parts for my Canadian market Focus came from every corner of the
> globe, making it the most "International" car I've ever encountered. I
> wouldn't be at all surprised if European and North American models shared a
> wide range of parts, including A/C cores.

Hi
when I read this NG with this much problems (frontbrakes,
pollenfiltercover, ignition lock etc.pp) that no one in Germany ever
heard about, I am not sure if You are right.

I have a 2000 TDI with 90 hp, and none of these problems came around my
car. I did not even read about before coming to this NG.
bye
Jupp
HbgpodLW - 01 Aug 2004 17:26 GMT
>> The engine parts for my Canadian market Focus came from every corner of the
>> globe, making it the most "International" car I've ever encountered. I
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>bye
>Jupp

No . I would tend to believe that North American and European would have very
different parts suppliers...that would make for a better quality and probably
more expensive car in the European market. Does Germany require the brake pads
that we (US) have to put up with or the  fuel useage rules that makes them
lighten up all parts or have them cheap out on trim? There are so many areas
Ford cut quality to save money here rather than make a better car because that
would cost more...I know it's for the health of people the US mandates it so I
don't complain too often...I was just curious if the rest of the world follows
it also ??  Thanks - Linda  
Josef Erbs - 01 Aug 2004 19:49 GMT
>  No . I would tend to believe that North American and European would have very
> different parts suppliers...that would make for a better quality and probably
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> don't complain too often...I was just curious if the rest of the world follows
> it also ??  Thanks - Linda  

Hi
OK, You asked for it ;-)

The problem with the brake pads without Asbest is finished here a long
time ago, I think about 10 or 15. So there is no problem at all, I was
wondering why the American producers did not look over to see how to
handle this problem.

Looking at the mileage, that is not that problem in Europe, because
petrol is much, much, much more expensive as in the US. Here in Germany
You pay 0.95 EUR/Litre disel, about 1.25EUR/Litre petrol with 95 octan.
So the mileage was way better in Europe a long time before Your
government even thought about it.
And is getting better, too. My car uses diesel and needs about 5.5
Litres/100Km. With AC on, a litre more. That is not that bad for an
engine with 90 hp and a car with about 1400Kg. Including travelling at
high speeds up to 190 Km/h. If the average American car would have that
mileage, You nearly were not in need to buy petrol from other countries.

And that could be better, it was a hard fight for Ford Europe to be
allowed to develope their own engine and not to take the one developed
for the US-market like the decades before. GM Europe- here called OPEL-
had the similar problem. So the cars from VW, Audi or the French and
Japanese ones have even better mileages than Ford or GM, because they
have developed engines especially for the european market since decades.
The newest in Germany is the particle filter for diesel engines that
holds back the tiny little particles causing cancer in your lungs. The
French have it since about 5 years ago.
bye
Jupp
HbgpodLW - 03 Aug 2004 01:51 GMT
I won't argue with you...I appreciate the knowledge as that's how I learn...if
I ask a question I'm not going to holler at you when you answer...honest.
Thanks - Linda
David or Robin - 11 Aug 2004 03:40 GMT
> > I forgot:
> > its a German one, of course
> > :-)
> > bye
> > Jupp

> The engine parts for my Canadian market Focus came from every corner of the
> globe, making it the most "International" car I've ever encountered. I
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> ---------------------------------

(earlier top posting reset in chronological order...)

I had to smile reading Rob's post, because it reminded me what's apparently
required (for whatever reason) for the mandatory "paper stickers" for new
U.S. cars "fresh on the lot" nowadays. Interesting to hear if anyone has
noted anything like this lately -- it's been 5 years since I bought my last
new car -- and I just found this part of the whole transaction amusing...

In fact, I did buy a new 2004 Focus station wagon (U.S.) just today -- on
the strength of how well my wife's 2001 Focus sedan has behaved -- but my
2004 was delivered to my local dealer from another dealer, and so all the
U.S. "informational stickers" (your own country's "informational stickers"
will certainly vary) that I expected to see stuck to the windows of a new
car had been scraped off already. Before I bought the 2004, however, the
dealership had shown me a 2005 F. station wagon first, the only one the
salesman had  to show. (Not my color; sorry.) It was the "mandatory sticker"
on that 2005 that caught my attention -- I wish I had written down the exact
wording of it -- which was it was guaranteed that 50% of the components of
that car were either Canadian OR U.S. made, and that "of the remaining parts
in the car, it could be guaranteed with a lot of certainty" (or something
like that) that 15% of them came from ... Mexico.

No problem with the Mexico part ... the first thought springing to my
mind -- can't be helped, sorry  -- was "where's the other 35% of the car?"
The second realization was that it was too complicated for Ford to break
out, by country. Or perhaps it's just Ford's minimum compliance with
whatever the "mandatory sticker" rules are in the U.S. for "country
break-out"  -- today, anyway...

I may have bought the most International car that I have ever owned, also.
(But I learned that lesson over a decade ago, when I moved from the U.S. to
Europe for 2 years. I bought a VW Fox, then, in the U.S., figuring that a VW
could be fixed anywhere in Europe, whatever might go wrong... When the U.S.
recall came out for a certain faulty part on the Fox later that I needed to
replace, I couldn't find the part anywhere in Europe. _Then_ I learned this
Fox was made for the N.A. and S.A. markets only, according to VW...)

Dave "coming off a 1999 Ford Escort, which was a very good car" B.
Richard Ray - 14 Aug 2004 09:16 GMT
>>>I forgot:
>>>its a German one, of course
[quoted text clipped - 55 lines]
>
> Dave "coming off a 1999 Ford Escort, which was a very good car" B.

No worries. U.S. law requires statement of MAJOR COUNTRY of origin for
your car, and has been doing so for years for every auto manufacturer. I
believe the final assembly of your car was done in Mexico from U.S. and
Mexican suppliers. My SE wagon was final assembled in Wayne, Michigan,
again with the same suppliers. Ford is trying to keep costs down by
producing cars in lower cost plants, spreading the suppliers across
three nations by using NAFTA accords. You may see that the major
assembly numbers do not add up to 100 %. That would reflect for other,
smaller assemblies in the car. BTW, there ARE European parts on your
Focus. And the dealer should not have removed that sticker without your
permission. Tell them you want another one, and if they didn't give you
the Monroney sticker (MSRP price list) you want that too, it belongs to you.
David or Robin - 04 Sep 2004 21:49 GMT
> >>The engine parts for my Canadian market Focus came from every corner of
> >
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> >>
> >>---------------------------------

< I wrote earlier> :

> > In fact, I did buy a new 2004 Focus station wagon (U.S.) just today -- on
> > the strength of how well my wife's 2001 Focus sedan has behaved -- but my
> > 2004 was delivered to my local dealer from another dealer, and so all the
> > U.S. "informational stickers" (your own country's "informational stickers"
> > will certainly vary) that I expected to see stuck to the windows of a new
> > car had been scraped off already.  <clip>

> > Dave "coming off a 1999 Ford Escort, which was a very good car" B.

<Richard then wrote> :

> No worries. U.S. law requires statement of MAJOR COUNTRY of origin for
> your car, and has been doing so for years for every auto manufacturer. I
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> permission. Tell them you want another one, and if they didn't give you
> the Monroney sticker (MSRP price list) you want that too, it belongs to you.

No, I didn't get either of those stickers. But you made me go look again
closely
though (I'll admit I'm very lazy about some things...): The car also doesn't
have
the little decal (usually in blue on clear plastic, and often on the bottom
of one of the windows, IIRC, about Ford products stating "Assembled in
such-and-such plant," etc., either. Naked car! -- at least the recommended
tire pressure sticker is on the body just below the driver's side door
latch!

Besides my own laziness, I have such great confidence in this particular
local Ford dealership we have been dealing with for so long that I don't
mind not seeing ... hardly any stickers on my near-new car! And (re)reading
some of the posts (and remembering others), it sounds like, especially for
many of the U.K. writers, many of the current Ford dealers there are as
classically bad/shifty as the image of being "a used car salesman" was/in in
the U.S. Maybe it's just my good luck to be close to this particular Ford
dealer...

Dave
Me - 30 Jul 2004 14:41 GMT
> I own ZX3 2003 US model. When I turn on the fan, it seems that the
> air conditioner is also turned on (although the air conditioner
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> turn off the engine. There is no way and I get that smell next
> time I turn on the car.

Not sure what you mean by that, but I think it's that kind of musty
smell, if you turn off the AC, or switch from defrost, a few minutes
before you shut down the car, it will dry off the condensor coils  and
they won't sit wet overnight and get that smell.
HbgpodLW - 30 Jul 2004 20:27 GMT
>Not sure what you mean by that, but I think it's that kind of musty
>smell, if you turn off the AC, or switch from defrost, a few minutes
>before you shut down the car, it will dry off the condensor coils  and
>they won't sit wet overnight and get that smell.

Sorry but if that doesn't work well enough and for me it didn't - I was told
by the Ford dealer I could spray Lysol into that black trim on the outside of
the car nearest the windshield on the drivers side - with the A/C running -
then turn the car off. The next couple of days the car smells fine.. then I
have to repeat it. They claim it won't hurt anything...and it works better than
anything else except an A/C redesign. Good luck...Linda
 
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