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David Coleman - 05 Oct 2004 21:25 GMT I posted a question about 6 or 7 months ago regarding colored headlights. No, not the blue/white ones. I am looking for purple headlights. Someone posted a link to a supply house that had them and other colors.
Anyone know where to get these??
berkshire bill - 05 Oct 2004 23:32 GMT >I posted a question about 6 or 7 months ago regarding colored headlights. > No, not the blue/white ones. I am looking for purple headlights. Someone > posted a link to a supply house that had them and other colors. > > Anyone know where to get these?? Just do a search on google for "purple headlights" there are 36,900 choices.
Bill
Zweef? - 06 Oct 2004 13:39 GMT > >I posted a question about 6 or 7 months ago regarding colored headlights. > > No, not the blue/white ones. I am looking for purple headlights. Someone [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Just do a search on google for "purple headlights" there are 36,900 > choices. Adding "blingbling" might narrow it down!
Nah, guess not.....
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Gino - 06 Oct 2004 23:50 GMT Colored headlight (including yellow) I believe are illegal in most of North America. White light is all that is allowed. Even the blue light headlights are pushing it.
Colored headlamps are OK for vehicles that are only displayed in car shows etc.
In article <ShF8d.139068$Kt5.121586@twister.nyroc.rr.com>, bkitterm@berkshire.nospam.rr.com says...
> >I posted a question about 6 or 7 months ago regarding colored headlights. > > No, not the blue/white ones. I am looking for purple headlights. Someone [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Just do a search on google for "purple headlights" there are 36,900 > choices. Adding "blingbling" might narrow it down!
Nah, guess not.....
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Basic Wedge - 07 Oct 2004 21:55 GMT Laws... PFFFFFTT!!!
I see lots of cars with purple headlights... usually high-end Japanese or European models, which have such lights as standard equipment. How is any traffic cop going to know whether your Focus has such lights as a factory installed option, or not? (BTW, HID lights are an available option on some models of the Focus sold in the EU). This is just like window tinting; most jurisdictions have laws about how dark your car's window tinting can be, but who's going to bother enforcing that? Around here, the answer is nobody.
I use Sylvania Silver Stars in my Focus. They don't make much difference, and I don't think anyone really notices them. Not the best thirty bucks I've ever spent :O
Rob
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> Colored headlight (including yellow) I believe are illegal in most of > North [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Colored headlamps are OK for vehicles that are only displayed in car shows > etc. Alan - 07 Oct 2004 23:30 GMT > This is just like window tinting; most >jurisdictions have laws about how dark your car's window tinting can be, but >who's going to bother enforcing that? Around here, the answer is nobody. Until you have, or cause, an accident and the Police get involved. They then may check for anything non-standard or illegally fitted to the car. Some non-standard fittings may also invalidate your insurance.
I was following an old car recently in the UK driven by a 'boy racer' that had a very bright flashing blue light emitting diode (LED) array fitted to the roof of the car. I often wonder why anyone draws so much attention to themselves as in this case it will not be long before the Police pull over the driver for this and then proceed to check the tax, insurance, MOT, lights, tyre condition - and anything else they could find to be wrong with the car.
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Andy Lee - 10 Oct 2004 00:47 GMT >> This is just like window tinting; most >>jurisdictions have laws about how dark your car's window tinting can be, but [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >insurance, MOT, lights, tyre condition - and anything else they could >find to be wrong with the car. Why? because they are the same type of people who insist on driving around with fog lights ablaze during the day whilst blasting out some moronic sub bass so called music. Generally they are either stupid or suffering from attention deficiency syndrome.
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adcb - 11 Oct 2004 14:06 GMT >>> This is just like window tinting; most >>>jurisdictions have laws about how dark your car's window tinting can be, but [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > >Andy Lee Now surely you are not talking about our chav (see www.chavscum.co.uk if you do not know this term) friends who all seem to cover their car in double sided sticky tape and crash through halfords so all this crap sticks to the outside.
i love getting blinded by these chappys who need full beams and foglights to see on sunny days.
Zweef? - 11 Oct 2004 16:02 GMT > Now surely you are not talking about our chav (see www.chavscum.co.uk > if you do not know this term) friends who all seem to cover their car > in double sided sticky tape and crash through halfords so all this > crap sticks to the outside. Mind your language please! I would really appreciate it if you refrain yourself!
At least while i'm having coffee, it's all over the place now! There i go again, clean my monitor, rinse the keyboard, thank you very much! Bloody Brits!
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Tony Wesley - 12 Oct 2004 05:50 GMT > Why? because they are the same type of people who insist on driving > around with fog lights ablaze during the day whilst blasting out some > moronic sub bass so called music. Generally they are either stupid or > suffering from attention deficiency syndrome. Andy,
A question for you. And I'm not feeling targeted by your post. I don't play "moronic sub bass" in my car nor do I have fog lights. But why do you consider driving around with fog lights on to be stupid? Usually, I turn my headlights on during the day while driving on the freeway. I guess I suffer from attention deficit, because I want to be noticed. I've read that daytime running lights reduce accidents. Isn't being noticed -- at least being very visible -- a good thing?
I'm not looking for an argument, I'd like to hear some discussion on this.
Johnny BlazE - 12 Oct 2004 09:06 GMT Let us also note in Sweden their lights automatically come on upon ignition. It is not a problem to have normal lights on during the day, but fog lights is excessive. The glare is just OTT. The idiots who undip their lights and drive around blinding people also need a kick in the anus, and this woman yday was so busy posing in her 206 with shiny rims she forgot to turn her lights on at all. I didn't want to tell her she's a f.ck up, lest she think I'm hitting on her *rolls eyes*
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>>Why? because they are the same type of people who insist on driving >>around with fog lights ablaze during the day whilst blasting out some [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > I'm not looking for an argument, I'd like to hear some discussion > on this. Tony Wesley - 12 Oct 2004 17:30 GMT > Let us also note in Sweden their lights automatically come on upon > ignition. It is not a problem to have normal lights on during the day, > but fog lights is excessive. The glare is just OTT. In my experience, my fogs lights have been dimmer than headlights. When entering a campground at night, I've used the fogs instead of the headlights to reduce how much light I'm shining on people's tents.
I haven't noticed any particular glare from Foci fog lights.
Alan - 12 Oct 2004 19:46 GMT >> Let us also note in Sweden their lights automatically come on upon >> ignition. It is not a problem to have normal lights on during the day, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >I haven't noticed any particular glare from Foci fog lights. You are not driving behind yourself. Rear fog lights can be the problem especially in the rain.
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Tony Wesley - 13 Oct 2004 05:03 GMT > >I haven't noticed any particular glare from Foci fog lights.
> You are not driving behind yourself. Rear fog lights can be the problem > especially in the rain. I'm even more confused. If I drove behind myself, the fog lights of other Foci on the road would then bother me? Remember, I don't have fog lights in my Focus.
I'm wondering if the fog lights in European models are different from US models.
Zweef? - 13 Oct 2004 11:43 GMT > > >I haven't noticed any particular glare from Foci fog lights. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > other Foci on the road would then bother me? Remember, I don't have > fog lights in my Focus. Not even rear fog light(s)?
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Tony Wesley - 14 Oct 2004 03:54 GMT Zweef® <nojunk@mymailbox.plz> wrote in message news:<MPG.1bd7253c1457a215989691@news.demon.nl>...
> > > >I haven't noticed any particular glare from Foci fog lights. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Not even rear fog light(s)? Never seen such a thing. You have rear fog lights in Europe?
MCC - 14 Oct 2004 04:58 GMT > Zweef® <nojunk@mymailbox.plz> wrote in message news:<MPG.1bd7253c1457a215989691@news.demon.nl>... >>> > >I haven't noticed any particular glare from Foci fog lights. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Never seen such a thing. You have rear fog lights in Europe? Yes, a high-intensity red light on the off-side of the car, brighter than brake lights, which is supposed to be used in fog or falling snow only but some get forgotten about and annoy the hell out of other drivers :-)
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Stephen F. - 14 Oct 2004 10:59 GMT > Yes, a high-intensity red light on the off-side of the car, brighter > than brake lights, which is supposed to be used in fog or falling snow > only but some get forgotten about and annoy the hell out of other > drivers :-) Legally only for use when visibility is less than 50m. My experience is that most Italians seem to think that they are required when driving through Swiss tunnels, for some reason.
me/2 - 13 Oct 2004 03:57 GMT :>Johnny BlazE <JohnnyBlazE@spymac.com> wrote in message news:<EtSdnfYvPtsXDfbcRVn-qA@eclipse.net.uk>... :>> Let us also note in Sweden their lights automatically come on upon [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] :> :>I haven't noticed any particular glare from Foci fog lights. I think what we're seeing here is a different definition in different countries as to what a "fog light" is. What I'm reading described from people in European countries sounds more like what we call "driving lights" here in the US, at least as far as the brightness is concerned. The last 3 cars I've owned (99 Escort ZX2, 02 Focus ZX5 and 04 SVT Focus) have all had factory installed "fog lights" (in the front only...grin). In every case the bulbs in the "fog lights" have been about half the wattage of the low beam headlight bulbs and the lenses create a flat-wide beam pattern that your eyeballs have to be about 12 inches above the ground before the light even appears bright. In addition the flat-wide pattern does an excellent job of lighting the edge of the road where there may be pedestrians or bike riders that you might miss with the beam from the headlights only that tend to shine more straight ahead down the road and not so much to the side.
Another thing that Ford does in the US that may or may not be different than what they do in Europe is they wire up the foglights so they can only be turned on with the low beam headlights. So the only time you can get the low flat-wide beam pattern of the foglights is when you also have your low beams on that tend to reflect back off of the fog/snow/mist/dust etc. One of the most popular mods for the US Focus with factory foglights is one that allows you to turn on the foglights with just the parking lights. Where I live in Arizona we don't have much fog but we get our fair share of dust storms and I've found the foglight/parking light combo to be much more effective than having to have the low beam headlights on with the foglights.
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Zweef? - 13 Oct 2004 11:45 GMT > I think what we're seeing here is a different definition in different > countries as to what a "fog light" is. What I'm reading described [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > found the foglight/parking light combo to be much more effective than > having to have the low beam headlights on with the foglights. I learn something here every day! ;-)
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Tony Wesley - 14 Oct 2004 23:13 GMT Zweef® <nojunk@mymailbox.plz> wrote in message news:<MPG.1bd725beee0b6477989692@news.demon.nl>...
(The above article did not make it to my news reader. Zweef, thanks for reposting it!
> > I think what we're seeing here is a different definition in different > > countries as to what a "fog light" is. What I'm reading described > > from people in European countries sounds more like what we call > > "driving lights" here in the US, at least as far as the brightness is > > concerned. That would explain it.
> > The last 3 cars I've owned (99 Escort ZX2, 02 Focus ZX5 > > and 04 SVT Focus) have all had factory installed "fog lights" (in the > > front only...grin). In every case the bulbs in the "fog lights" have > > been about half the wattage of the low beam headlight bulbs and the > > lenses create a flat-wide beam pattern that your eyeballs have to be > > about 12 inches above the ground before the light even appears bright. I've only had after-market lights, but your description matches my experience.
> > In addition the flat-wide pattern does an excellent job of lighting > > the edge of the road where there may be pedestrians or bike riders > > that you might miss with the beam from the headlights only that tend > > to shine more straight ahead down the road and not so much to the > > side. Exactly.
> I learn something here every day! ;-) Me too. Thank you to everyone who posted on this.
me/2 - 15 Oct 2004 04:08 GMT :>Zweef® <nojunk@mymailbox.plz> wrote in message news:<MPG.1bd725beee0b6477989692@news.demon.nl>... :> [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] :> :>Me too. Thank you to everyone who posted on this. You're welcome, especially since the "missing" stuff you quoted above was mostly mine. :-)
Hopefully this will make it to your news server.
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Johnny BlazE - 13 Oct 2004 20:45 GMT Yes I imagine it wasn't a focus specifically that glared me. Rear fogs have the most glare tbh...
>>Let us also note in Sweden their lights automatically come on upon >>ignition. It is not a problem to have normal lights on during the day, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > I haven't noticed any particular glare from Foci fog lights. Johnny BlazE - 13 Oct 2004 20:47 GMT Hmm ignore this, the other replies answered for me, yes mainly rear fogs are the problem.
> Yes I imagine it wasn't a focus specifically that glared me. Rear fogs > have the most glare tbh... [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> >> I haven't noticed any particular glare from Foci fog lights. Andy Lee - 12 Oct 2004 16:12 GMT >> Why? because they are the same type of people who insist on driving >> around with fog lights ablaze during the day whilst blasting out some [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >I'm not looking for an argument, I'd like to hear some discussion >on this. Hi Tony
Daytime running lights are certainly a requirement in some Euro countries e.g. Sweden and there is a very good case for them a northern latitudes when daylight during the winter months is never very good at best. These lights are generally of a fairly low wattage. However Fog lights are not the same thing and are not designed to be used except in the conditions which require them i.e. Fog or heavy snow. In the UK it is actually illegal to use them out side of this environment and it has been known for people to get tickets for it.
I have no problem with people wanting to be visible but running round with all these extra lights blazing during broad daylight is totally unnecessary. Being noticed for the wrong reasons can cause problems for other drives after all.
So Fog lights during the day are stupid for 2 reasons
1. You can get a ticket for it
2. It can really annoy other drivers contributing to road rage etc (although most of the people who drive with fog lights during the day are probably not too worried about it.)
Of couse there are people who unwittingly do this they can be seen driving home at the end of the day with front and back fog lights on which they just plain forgot to turn off from the early morning fog they encountered on the way to work.
Josef Erbs - 12 Oct 2004 18:52 GMT Hi
> Daytime running lights are certainly a requirement in some Euro > countries e.g. Sweden and there is a very good case for them a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > snow. In the UK it is actually illegal to use them out side of this > environment and it has been known for people to get tickets for it. Here in Germany the same. It is forbidden to use fog lights inside a town and outside if no fog with visibility less than 50m shows up. If this is the case, you can use fog lights but have to limit speed at a maximum of 50 km/h. So I find it very stupid as well to drive inside a town in a clear night or even while daylight is bright having the fog light engaged. More outreagous, many cars have no properly adjusted lights, so they blind any one else on the road. That´s a fact that I can not understand because of the TÜV where every German car has to be checked every two years- like the MOT in GB- and because ther is a light service every october at no cost in nearly every service station in Germany to the benefit of car safety.
> I have no problem with people wanting to be visible but running round > with all these extra lights blazing during broad daylight is totally > unnecessary. Being noticed for the wrong reasons can cause problems > for other drives after all. Copy that.
> So Fog lights during the day are stupid for 2 reasons > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > which they just plain forgot to turn off from the early morning fog > they encountered on the way to work. That is something I also don´t understand. When I shut down my car while the lights are burning and open the drivers door, a bell rings to let me know that I have to turn out the lights. Doing so, all fog lights are shut down and if I turn on the light later, they will not automaticly turned on also, I have to decide to do so.
My car is a German Focus Turnier from 2000. bye Jupp
GP - 31 Oct 2004 00:56 GMT > Hi > [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > bye > Jupp ----------- New cars in Canada also have to have daylight running lights (DRL's.) They are just the low beam headlights but voltage is reduced 50% until you switch your lights on. Geoff
Gino - 08 Oct 2004 07:42 GMT These high end Japanese and European cars you see with what you think are purple headlights. The are not. HID headlights are not purple.
The original poster to this newsgroup about this topic said:
"I posted a question about 6 or 7 months ago regarding colored headlights. No, not the blue/white ones. I am looking for purple headlights. Someone posted a link to a supply house that had them and other colors."
From his post one gets the impression that he is NOT talking about HID or Silverstars or cool white, he is talking about COLORED headlamps i.e purple, green , red. Maybe he does not know what he is talking about. There are COLORED headlamp bulbs available that are put in show cars for auto shows. These are illegal for street use. Just like it is illegal to have a colored ring of lights around the back licence plate. The cops never nail you for tinted windows or other vehicle equipment infractions until they pull you over on a traffic infraction and like to make their ticket quote for the month in one sweep.
Laws... PFFFFFTT!!!
I see lots of cars with purple headlights... usually high-end Japanese or European models, which have such lights as standard equipment. How is any traffic cop going to know whether your Focus has such lights as a factory installed option, or not? (BTW, HID lights are an available option on some models of the Focus sold in the EU). This is just like window tinting; most jurisdictions have laws about how dark your car's window tinting can be, but who's going to bother enforcing that? Around here, the answer is nobody.
I use Sylvania Silver Stars in my Focus. They don't make much difference, and I don't think anyone really notices them. Not the best thirty bucks I've ever spent :O
Rob
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"Gino" wrote ...
> Colored headlight (including yellow) I believe are illegal in most of > North [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Colored headlamps are OK for vehicles that are only displayed in car shows > etc. Andy Lee - 10 Oct 2004 00:42 GMT >These high end Japanese and European cars you see with what you think are >purple headlights. The are not. HID headlights are not purple. Mine certainly have a purple halo around the edge of the beam this is very apparent when you see the reflection from road signs etc. These are the factory fit Xenon option the best option I have ever had on my car putting Osram silverstars was the second.
>The original poster to this newsgroup about this topic said: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >they pull you over on a traffic infraction and like to make their ticket >quote for the month in one sweep. It appears they are starting to actually pull people for tints nowadays especially in Essex
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