Home | Contact Us | FAQ | Search & Site Map | Link to Us
Sign In | Join | Other 45 Sites in Network
HomeAnnouncements
Discussion Groups
By Brand
BMWChevroletDodgeFordGMHondaLexusMercedes-BenzNissanPeugeotToyotaVolkswagenOther Brands
By Topic
4x4 CarsRVsDrivingMaintenance & RepairCar AudioCollectible Cars
Country Specific
Australian ForumsUK Forums
ArticlesAuto InsuranceBuyingCars & TechnologyMaintenanceMiscellaneousSafety
DMV Resources
Related Topics
MotorcyclesBoatsMore Topics ...

Car Forum / Ford / Ford Mustang / February 2008

Tip: Looking for answers? Try searching our database.

Idle-Problem From Hell -- SOLVED!

Thread view: 
Enable EMail Alerts  Start New Thread
Thread rating: 
NoOption5L@aol.com - 22 Feb 2008 02:24 GMT
On Dec 30 2007, 4:19 pm, NoOptio...@aol.com wrote:

I hope you remember the story.  (If not, you can refresh your memory
below.)  You will NOT believe what the cause of the problem was!  You
know those two little screws that attach the ignition module to the
distributor, they take a Torx wrench to  tighten/loosen?  The one
closest to my thermostat housing had worked its way lose.  How, why I
don't know.  While hunting/searching, again, all my vacuum lines for
leaks, I just happened to notice the little screw lying in the
[screw's] deep mounting hole in the ignition module.  The screw was
blocked from completely falling out because the end of it would bump
into the thermostat housing.  I twisted the distributor around and
tightened the screw, not knowing what effect it would have on the
car.  Then took the car for a little test drive afterwards and the
idle problem didn't appear, and it has been a couple weeks now and the
car has run perfectly -- not a single hiccup in the idle.  Just a
coincidence?  At this point, I'd bet the house it's not.

Okay, now who's going to claim these screws being loose was their
second guess?  :-)

Patrick

> Patient:
>
> 1993 Cobra/125,000 miles -- stock except: shorty headers, advanced
> timing, 73mm C&L mass-air meter and an A9L processor.
>
> This combo ran solid for a number of years and the symptoms suddenly
> -- no mods or changes were made -- just appeared.
>
> The symptoms have gone on now for about 1 1/2 years.
>
> The frequency of the symptoms has slowly increased from maybe once a
> week to almost every day.  But despite the symptoms, the car performs
> well without any popping, missing, stalling, gassy smells, or smoking.
> -----
>
> Symptoms:
>
> Reved-up idle.  Sometimes.  Some days, the car will run fine all day
> long, or for a couple days.  Other days, the reved-up idle will
> continue to happen.
>
> Idle speed varies, but generally sticks -- doesn't roll -- somewhere
> between 1600-2200 rpms.  Never goes above 2200.
>
> Generally, I get the reved-up idle a few minutes -- 3-4 minutes --
> after a cold start AND after I dip into the throttle a little bit.
>
> But frequently I get the reved-up idle when/after the motor is fully
> warmed up.
>
> Miles and miles of driving -- 20-30 -- even at highway speeds, often,
> won't alter the reved-up idle.
>
> Running the car hard, even really hard, doesn't change the idle (if
> anything, it often makes it go higher up in the 1600-2200 range).
>
> Normally, running the car hard will trigger the reved-up idle.
> -----
>
> Complications:
>
> Shutting the car off and restarting _always_ fixes the idle, at least
> for a while.
>
> No codes have _ever_ popped up in the computer.
>
> Sometimes the idle will just fix itself while driving.
>
> And a few times _while reved up_ I've had it just fall to the normal
> idle speed and stay there.  And a few times, after falling to a normal
> idle, I've had it return to the reved-up idle -- like someone is
> controlling it by remote.
>
> A scan tool was run once while the idle was reved up and, for some
> unknown reason, the reved-up idle didn't return for nearly 4
> months.    Also, a few minutes _after_ the [scan] tool was
> _unplugged_, the idle dropped to normal and then a few minutes later
> it reved back up.  Coincidence?  My mechanic, and he's extremely good,
> was at a loss, but thought the processor might have some issues.
> (Note: My mechanic drive my car home that night and the car ran
> PERFECT for him.  It's about a 40-mile loop for him to drive to and
> from work.)
> -----
>
> Recent developments:
>
> A few weeks ago, I noticed on two occasions, a missing while driving/
> cruising at highway speeds.  The missing has since gone away.
>
> Also, after a cold start leaving work one day, a few weeks ago, the
> idle went below the normal idle speed and the car acted like it was
> going to stall.  After a few minutes of driving the problem went away
> and hasn't returned since.
> -----
>
> Treatments used so far, in this sequence:
>
> 1) Fuel filter
>
> 2) New TPS
>
> 3) New Air-Idle Control valve
>
> 4) New Mass-Air sensor (the actual sensor unit in the mass-air meter)
>
> 5) New A9L Processor
>
> Each treatment was used independently, but nothing has helped/worked.
> -----
>
> Besides a gun, does anyone know of a cure?
>
> Patrick
Michael Johnson - 22 Feb 2008 03:30 GMT
It makes sense because the module needs to be tight against the
distributor to keep it from over heating.  It would probably heat up and
then fail and cool off and work correctly.

> I hope you remember the story.  (If not, you can refresh your memory
> below.)  You will NOT believe what the cause of the problem was!  You
[quoted text clipped - 110 lines]
>>
>> Patrick
NoOption5L@aol.com - 22 Feb 2008 03:40 GMT
> It makes sense because the module needs to be tight against the
> distributor to keep it from over heating.  It would probably heat up and
> then fail and cool off and work correctly.

So that's their purpose?  Do you think it could have caused the
ignition module any damage... do you think it would be worth replacing
now?

Patrick

> NoOptio...@aol.com wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 112 lines]
>
> >> Patrick
Al Lergy - 22 Feb 2008 04:24 GMT
Thanks for that info, that is a new one.

>> It makes sense because the module needs to be tight against the
>> distributor to keep it from over heating.  It would probably heat up and
[quoted text clipped - 122 lines]
>>
>> >> Patrick
WindsorFox - 22 Feb 2008 13:30 GMT
>> It makes sense because the module needs to be tight against the
>> distributor to keep it from over heating.  It would probably heat up and
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Patrick

  I thought about that after reading, it may have limited the life some
but if it seems to work now don't worry about it. Just keep it in mind,
because if that symptom returns mysteriously at a later point and
neither screw is loose, you probably need to replace it at that point.

Signature

"Yah know I hate it when forces gather in ma' fringe..." - Sheogorath

"Daytime television sucked 20 years ago,
   and it still sucks today!"  -   Marc Bissonette

Michael Johnson - 22 Feb 2008 15:44 GMT
>> It makes sense because the module needs to be tight against the
>> distributor to keep it from over heating.  It would probably heat up and
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> ignition module any damage... do you think it would be worth replacing
> now?

It probably didn't help it any.  I would buy one and keep it in the car
with some tools to replace it.  When mine went out it died instantly and
the car was stone cold dead until it was replaced.

>> NoOptio...@aol.com wrote:
>>> I hope you remember the story.  (If not, you can refresh your memory
[quoted text clipped - 78 lines]
>>>> Besides a gun, does anyone know of a cure?
>>>> Patrick
WindsorFox - 22 Feb 2008 23:26 GMT
>>> It makes sense because the module needs to be tight against the
>>> distributor to keep it from over heating.  It would probably heat up and
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> with some tools to replace it.  When mine went out it died instantly and
> the car was stone cold dead until it was replaced.

   I do. I have ever since the one on the 88 Marquis died that way.
Went out to leave and no start. I keep a module and the little special
tool from one of the catalog vendors to change it. I remember he said
torx but on the 88 Merc and on my 89 Mustang it's a hex head screw and
you almost have to have this tool or a modified nut driver to get them.

Signature

"Yah know I hate it when forces gather in ma' fringe..." - Sheogorath

"Daytime television sucked 20 years ago,
   and it still sucks today!"  -   Marc Bissonette

NoOption5L@aol.com - 23 Feb 2008 01:01 GMT
> > NoOptio...@aol.com wrote:
> >>> It makes sense because the module needs to be tight against the
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> torx but on the 88 Merc and on my 89 Mustang it's a hex head screw and
> you almost have to have this tool or a modified nut driver to get them.

You're correct.  It is a hex head.  And I already have the special
tool.  I bought it after the ignition module went out in my ol' 5-oh
LX.

Patrick
Al Lergy - 23 Feb 2008 04:51 GMT
> You're correct.  It is a hex head.  And I already have the special
> tool.  I bought it after the ignition module went out in my ol' 5-oh
> LX.
>
> Patrick

where do you get the special tool?  or can you make one ?
WindsorFox - 23 Feb 2008 17:51 GMT
>> You're correct.  It is a hex head.  And I already have the special
>> tool.  I bought it after the ignition module went out in my ol' 5-oh
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> where do you get the special tool?  or can you make one ?

  I got mine at 5.0 resto

Signature

"Yah know I hate it when forces gather in ma' fringe..." - Sheogorath

"Daytime television sucked 20 years ago,
   and it still sucks today!"  -   Marc Bissonette

NoOption5L@aol.com - 24 Feb 2008 02:19 GMT
> > You're correct.  It is a hex head.  And I already have the special
> > tool.  I bought it after the ignition module went out in my ol' 5-oh
> > LX.

> where do you get the special tool?  or can you make one ?

I purchased mine from some auto parts store years ago.  The hex head
is just long enough to reach into the ignition module hole, and it's
attached to a fat little wheel with finger grip edges, then a short
narrower 6-sided portion you can use a wrench on, and that tapers down
to a torx hole at the end.  Total length is about 2 inches.  It's
slick!  Whoever designed it, did their homework.

Patrick
WindsorFox - 22 Feb 2008 13:27 GMT
> I hope you remember the story.  (If not, you can refresh your memory
> below.)  You will NOT believe what the cause of the problem was!  You
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> Patrick

   Pfffff, I knew it the whole time. I was just waiting to see if you
could find it yourself....

Signature

"Yah know I hate it when forces gather in ma' fringe..." - Sheogorath

"Daytime television sucked 20 years ago,
   and it still sucks today!"  -   Marc Bissonette


Rate this thread:






 
Sign In
Join
My Latest Posts
My Monitored Threads
My Blog
My Photo Gallery
My Profile
My Homepage

Start New Thread
Enable EMail Alerts
Rate this Thread



©2008 Advenet LLC   Privacy Policy - Terms of Use
This website includes both content owned or controlled by Advenet as well as content owned or controlled by third parties.