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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Mustang / May 2008Tail light louvers
Can someone tell me more about the tail light louvers for late 80's early 90's? I've seen them on 88 GT's. What do they mean? Are they an option or were they only on specific year(s)? Can I buy just the louvers or do I have to get the whole tail light assembly? Thanks Byron > Can someone tell me more about the tail light louvers for late 80's > early 90's? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Byron The louvered tail lights were stock on the late Fox GT cars: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford-Mustang-GT-Tail-Lights-Taillights-87-93-Blac k-A_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33716QQihZ016QQitemZ260237232475QQrdZ1QQsspagenam eZWDVW The louvers are part of the stock assembly, but you may be able to find aftermarket units that may suit your purpose. > Can someone tell me more about the tail light louvers for late 80's > early 90's? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Byron They were one of the GT - specific options on the 87 - 93's, derisively called the cheese graters. A common upgrade / customization is the replacement of these with the standard 'clean' LX tail lights, so you could probably find someone here, or on eBay, or on a parts for sale / parts wanted site who has a pair in their garage that they'd sell. > Can someone tell me more about the tail light louvers for late 80's > early 90's? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Byron And they aren't louvers, it's actually painted onto the plastic lens.  Signature"I've also noted that a couple of my regular spammers have pretty much switched over to phishing and 419s from pecker pills and sawdust tablets." - Bar0 "If it's from BRNIC, it's GOT to be blocked" - Buss Error "WindsorFox<SS>" <darkshado666@gmail.com> wrote in news:fvt0fb$f9c$3 @posting2.glorb.com: >> Can someone tell me more about the tail light louvers for late 80's >> early 90's? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > And they aren't louvers, it's actually painted onto the plastic lens. Where do you come up with this crap? Joe <party@yourhouse.net> wrote in news:Xns9A97A511B4D7nospamforme@ 216.77.188.18: > Where do you come up with this crap? The original louvers were actual metal louvers that covered the entire rear lighting from side to side. The ones referred to on ebay were molded into the lens assembly, so you do not get the same effect as the metal louvers. SignatureA: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? > Joe <party@yourhouse.net> wrote in news:Xns9A97A511B4D7nospamforme@ > 216.77.188.18: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > lighting from side to side. The ones referred to on ebay were molded into > the lens assembly, so you do not get the same effect as the metal louvers. I've never seen a set with metal louvers that screw or stick over the plastic lens. Every pair that I've ever seen (and looked at close enough to notice) was molded into the plastic lens and then painted the color of the car in the same way that the lines between the segments on the LX lenses are painted black. I note this as I hold in my hands the original OEM lenses off of a 90 GT and from my 89 LX along with a new OEM replacement set for my LX. The post you quoted is just more of that troll's petty bullshit that he posts in reply to any post I make even if he's wrong, like now. I have a representative photo showing said detail if you would like to see it. If you have a photo of one with separate louvers I'd like to see it. I'm sure it's possible the early GTs from 87 and 88 could have been different. Perhaps Dwight will be so kind as to tell us how the lenses are made on CFrog... Signature"I've also noted that a couple of my regular spammers have pretty much switched over to phishing and 419s from pecker pills and sawdust tablets." - Bar0 "If it's from BRNIC, it's GOT to be blocked" - Buss Error >> Joe <party@yourhouse.net> wrote in news:Xns9A97A511B4D7nospamforme@ >> 216.77.188.18: [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > made > on CFrog... No matter how you cut it, they're not "painted onto the plastic lens" as WF erroneously claims (no surprise there). As elaich said, the louvers are either the metal ones that cover an LX- style lens, or the plastic ones that are molded into the lens with actual texture. >>> Joe <party@yourhouse.net> wrote in news:Xns9A97A511B4D7nospamforme@ >>> 216.77.188.18: [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > No matter how you cut it, they're not "painted onto the plastic lens" as > WF erroneously claims (no surprise there). Absolutely 10,000% incorrect. This gibberish bullshit could not be more incorrect if this petty troll tried to be wrong by lying. This troll is purposely combative for no apparent reason and just attempts to invalidate a reply from me out of petty bullshit. I know factually how these are made as I have a pair of lenses that I personally removed from a 1990 GT in a junkyard. They are the OEM Ford lenses and I have a picture that shows how they are made. The cheese grater look is molded into the plastic lens and is painted directly onto the plastic the same color as the car. So yes, the louvered look *is* painted on to the lens. I suggest the OP take that info to the bank from the person holding the lenses in his hand rather than a purposely combative troll. I have been told that the GT lenses can be placed on the LX tail light assy in replacement of the LX lenses, but I have never confirmed this myself. "I've also noted that a couple of my regular spammers have pretty much switched over to phishing and 419s from pecker pills and sawdust tablets." - Bar0 "If it's from BRNIC, it's GOT to be blocked" - Buss Error >>>> Joe <party@yourhouse.net> wrote in news:Xns9A97A511B4D7nospamforme@ >>>> 216.77.188.18: [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > "If it's from BRNIC, it's GOT to be blocked" - Buss Error I hate to add to a disagreement. CFrog's appear to be some sort of plastic laminate, perhaps 1/16th or even 1/32nd of an inch thick, glued onto the lenses themselves. Without removing them, that's what it looks like to me. The "louvers" do obviously stand off from the lenses, but they cannot be separately removed. Still, they are not painted on (i.e.: flush with the surface of the lens). Given the manufacturing standards of 1993, I have to believe that the overlays (louvers) were painted separately, then glued atop the lenses. There's no way that they could be painted onto the lenses with such precision. Of course, Reef Blue being such a SPECIAL color, perhaps mine were manufactured differently from the run-of-the-mill colors. (Doubt it.) Because you asked, I spent the last half hour taking and uploading a couple of shots, which show how the louvers stand off from the lenses: http://www.tfrog.com/digitals/daily/daily.htm It's a good thing I'm on vacation with absolutely nothing to do. (Also, while you're there, don't miss the beautiful flower shot on the main page www.tfrog.com That, actually, is the ONE thing I have to do - pull that #*%$ out.) Also (a damn shame), it looks like you can find all kinds of LX-style taillight assemblies in the aftermarket, but no GT cheese graters (except in Fox's junkyard). LX, Cobra style, or some really crappy Euro style taillights, but no GTs. According to 50Resto, all 1983-1993 taillight assemblies are interchangable, so it looks like you could as easily go from LX to GT as from GT to LX. dwight > I hate to add to a disagreement. CFrog's appear to be some sort of plastic > laminate, perhaps 1/16th or even 1/32nd of an inch thick, glued onto the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > the lenses. There's no way that they could be painted onto the lenses with > such precision. That looks identical to the ones I have. The reason I say it's sprayed on is because if you scratch the colored part there is red lens underneath. I don't recommend you do that for proof though, the ones I have already have scratches. The ones I have came off a black car, I thought about swapping them for a while (still may FTHOI) and "Cabernet Red wasn't an option so black was the best choice. See here: http://www.shamikaserver.com/ssforums/showthread.php?p=80620#post80620 Looking at mine it still looks molded into the lens and coated because trying to peel it off doesn't seem to work, but I think I could easily scratch it. Might call around and find a smashed one to look at. > Of course, Reef Blue being such a SPECIAL color, perhaps mine were > manufactured differently from the run-of-the-mill colors. (Doubt it.) The biggest problem I have is the a.shole attitude for petty purposes, You know what I'm talking about. > Because you asked, I spent the last half hour taking and uploading a couple > of shots, which show how the louvers stand off from the lenses: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > www.tfrog.com That, actually, is the ONE thing I have to do - pull that #*%$ > out.) Saw that already :oP Mr. Mouse wasn't living in the vent was he? > Also (a damn shame), it looks like you can find all kinds of LX-style > taillight assemblies in the aftermarket, but no GT cheese graters (except in > Fox's junkyard). LX, Cobra style, or some really crappy Euro style > taillights, but no GTs. I noticed that, maybe that's why a set on eBay was going for $400. Maybe I'll see if I can snag several pairs and sell them om the bay... > According to 50resto, all 1983-1993 taillight assemblies are interchangeable, > so it looks like you could as easily go from LX to GT as from GT to LX. Yes, the assembly is, but, can you take the lens off of an LX assembly and put the GT lens on it? I'd assume so, but I never tried. Signature"I've also noted that a couple of my regular spammers have pretty much switched over to phishing and 419s from pecker pills and sawdust tablets." - Bar0 "If it's from BRNIC, it's GOT to be blocked" - Buss Error >> I hate to add to a disagreement. CFrog's appear to be some sort of >> plastic laminate, perhaps 1/16th or even 1/32nd of an inch thick, glued [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > The biggest problem I have is the a.shole attitude for petty purposes, > You know what I'm talking about. Eh. I'm too old now to get riled up too easily. Wizened. Just words on a screen. >> Because you asked, I spent the last half hour taking and uploading a >> couple of shots, which show how the louvers stand off from the lenses: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Saw that already :oP Mr. Mouse wasn't living in the vent was he? I was actually referring to the beautiful photo of POISON IVY on my home page. Hate that stuff, so I'm going to have to put on my HazMat gloves and disposable clothing and rip it out this week. I've identified at least four growths that I "think" are poison ivy, but no one seems to have a definitive description of the plant - too many variants, too many morphs. Pretty much, anything with a three-leaf cluster is coming out, I don't CARE what it is. One little nano-drop of ivy sap can ruin two weeks of my summer. >> Also (a damn shame), it looks like you can find all kinds of LX-style >> taillight assemblies in the aftermarket, but no GT cheese graters (except [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Yes, the assembly is, but, can you take the lens off of an LX assembly > and put the GT lens on it? I'd assume so, but I never tried. Just went out with my tape measure. The LX assembly is slightly (1/2") wider, slightly taller. But there's enough clearance that they could probably be swapped. Personally, I would never want GT taillights on an LX or vice versa. Just wouldn't be "proper." dwight www.tfrog.com >>> I hate to add to a disagreement. CFrog's appear to be some sort of >>> plastic laminate, perhaps 1/16th or even 1/32nd of an inch thick, glued [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > anything with a three-leaf cluster is coming out, I don't CARE what it is. > One little nano-drop of ivy sap can ruin two weeks of my summer. Judging from the Google responses I got it definitely is, but I think I'd opt for some broad leaf weed killer over gloves. > Just went out with my tape measure. The LX assembly is slightly (1/2") > wider, slightly taller. But there's enough clearance that they could > probably be swapped. > > Personally, I would never want GT taillights on an LX or vice versa. Just > wouldn't be "proper." That's why I never did. I considered it back when it was all the rage for the GT owners to replace theirs with LX lights. Several people I asked at the track said they changed because the cheese grater lights reminded them of disco. Never figured that one out. Signature"I've also noted that a couple of my regular spammers have pretty much switched over to phishing and 419s from pecker pills and sawdust tablets." - Bar0 "If it's from BRNIC, it's GOT to be blocked" - Buss Error >> I hate to add to a disagreement. CFrog's appear to be some sort of >> plastic laminate, perhaps 1/16th or even 1/32nd of an inch thick, [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > The biggest problem I have is the a.shole attitude for petty > purposes, You know what I'm talking about. Idiot. You're the one who keeps ranting on and on. You were wrong and you still are. The lenses are not simply painted on as you first claimed. Now STFU and go away, pest. >> Because you asked, I spent the last half hour taking and uploading a >> couple of shots, which show how the louvers stand off from the [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Yes, the assembly is, but, can you take the lens off of an LX > assembly and put the GT lens on it? I'd assume so, but I never tried. >>> I hate to add to a disagreement. CFrog's appear to be some sort of >>> plastic laminate, perhaps 1/16th or even 1/32nd of an inch thick, [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > you still are. The lenses are not simply painted on as you first > claimed. Now STFU and go away, pest. You're a fuckin jackass troll. Prove me wrong, I dare you. Look at the picture troll boy, go ahead. I was here before you came, and I'll be here after you're gone you pathetic doucheweasel. Signature"I've also noted that a couple of my regular spammers have pretty much switched over to phishing and 419s from pecker pills and sawdust tablets." - Bar0 "If it's from BRNIC, it's GOT to be blocked" - Buss Error "WindsorFox<SS>" <darkshado666@gmail.com> wrote in news:g0069k$mnv$1 @posting2.glorb.com: >>>> I hate to add to a disagreement. CFrog's appear to be some sort of >>>> plastic laminate, perhaps 1/16th or even 1/32nd of an inch thick, [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > the picture troll boy, go ahead. I was here before you came, and I'll be > here after you're gone you pathetic doucheweasel. LOL! Idiot. Now FOAD. [ ... ] > This troll is purposely combative for no apparent reason and just > attempts to invalidate a reply from me out of petty bullshit. [ ... ] Project much? SignatureFrank ess > [ ... ] > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Project much? Beg 'pardon? Signature"I've also noted that a couple of my regular spammers have pretty much switched over to phishing and 419s from pecker pills and sawdust tablets." - Bar0 "If it's from BRNIC, it's GOT to be blocked" - Buss Error >Can someone tell me more about the tail light louvers for late 80's >early 90's? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Byron I'd try auto salvage first. You can find some yards listed with Hemmings (www.hemmings.com) which are all Mustang. Do a search for your year model and the ads should pop up between ads for individual cars (which was how I got an estimate for a Mustang I sold - I compared mine to the ads... and it sold for exactly what I asked... but you have to be careful of scammers making offers). I have no idea if what you seek is in their catalogs, they are sorta out of my 65's year group (except CJPony) but .... Check out.... Moss Motors (www.mossmustang.com) CJ Pony Parts (www.cjponyparts.com) [CJPony has their own yard I believe] Brothers Performance (www.brothersperformance.com) >> Can someone tell me more about the tail light louvers for late 80's >> early 90's? [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > [CJPony has their own yard I believe] > Brothers Performance (www.brothersperformance.com) There's a few on eBay but the nice ones are very expensive, probably due to as Dwight observed you can't seem to buy them from the regular resto places. Signature"I've also noted that a couple of my regular spammers have pretty much switched over to phishing and 419s from pecker pills and sawdust tablets." - Bar0 "If it's from BRNIC, it's GOT to be blocked" - Buss Error
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