All good stuff... read on.
09-06-09: This week has been filled with yet more revelations of new
technology coming to the 2011 Mustang. Namely, Ford has two new
engines headed for the 2011 Mustang that are a breath of fresh metal.
The revolution starts with a new 3.7 liter DOHC V6 which is rumored to
power out 315hp for the base 2011 Mustang. This will put the entry
level model at a higher horsepower level than many legendary and
iconic “Muscle Mustangs” of the past.
We’re talking the 1965 Shelby GT-350 at 271-306hp, 1969 BOSS 302 at
290hp, and all Fox Bodied Mustang 5.0 GT and Cobras ranging from
157-240hp. At 315hp this new base engine even out-powers many of the
naturally aspirated 4.6 liter DOHC V8 engines found in the SVT Cobras
and Mach 1 during the SN-95 years! When you consider this is the base
Mustang you can get for under $25,000 with some options that is pretty
remarkable.
This new engine has a number of technologies that get that power up
including dual-overhead cams with variable valve timing. This allows
infinite tuning of the cams on the fly by the engine control module.
It is also rumored that direct injection is the key to that extra
power above and beyond the 273hp that the 3.7 V6 puts out in Lincoln
applications.
What this means is that the Mustang V6 is likely to no longer have the
stigma of being the low man on the totem pole. With 315hp, the V6
would prove a credible option for enthusiasts and frugal buyers alike.
If Ford sees fit to give this thing a nice dual exhaust and pair it
with a 6-speed manual as they plan with the next generation V8, we
have it made.
Speaking of that next generation 5.0 liter V8, there has been a lot of
news and rumor about the upcoming “Coyote” engine. The engine is a
completely new architecture, very compact in design, and shares little
to nothing with the current “modular” V8 family. The new 5.0 liter
engine will be used in both the F-Series trucks and in the Mustang for
2011. The current 4.6 and 5.4 modular V8’s are believed to be going
away for both cars and trucks. The new 6.2 liter V8 will replace both
the 5.4 V8 and the V-10 in the F-Series.
The new DOHC 4-valve engine appears from spy photos to feature dual
variable valve timing which helps put power at or above the 400 mark.
That means both intake and exhaust cams can be individually timed for
optimum settings in all conditions. It might have direct injection for
future applications, but prototype photos appear to show standard port
injection. There have been news accounts however of the engine being
tested with direct injection and turbo charging, but the first show of
the new 5.0 will be naturally aspirated.
The good news is that the extra power does not come at the cost of
efficiency. The new V8 will meet or exceed the current 3V V8 in mpg.
This will in part be achieved by mating the engine to a 6-speed manual
transmission which should make many a Mustang fan happy. The compact
size of the engine itself will also leave room for modders to really
get creative under the hood.
Other news on the wire this week is that the next revision of the
Shelby GT-500 will use an aluminum block to save weight. What is not
known is whether this will be a version of the current 5.4 liter
supercharged V8 or whether Ford is going for a force-fed version of
the new 5.0. In either case a substantial weight reduction for the
GT-500 would go a long way to upgrading performance and handling as
well as casting off its image as being shall we say “portly”.
If all of these technological dreams come to pass in the next year,
the powers that be at Ford will have answered virtually every
criticism of the Mustang that has existed. That is with the exception
of the live axle rear suspension. While there is much debate in the
press, in the enthusiast circles, and even at Ford about whether the
Mustang should have a modern day rear suspension, one thing is clear.
The rest of the world and even Ford has decided that an IRS is the
best solution.
The Crown Victoria and Town Car are going out of production soon,
leaving the Mustang as the only mainstream production car in the world
with a live axle. While most Ford spokespeople and engineers we have
talked to sell us on the notion that an IRS isn’t all that great or
necessary, it hasn’t stopped them from installing it in every SUV they
build and even one of their pick-up trucks. If you read the brochures
for the Explorer, Sport-Trak, or the Expedition the benefits of IRS
are extolled like virtues from heaven. Yet their own halo sports car
does not need it? Something is amiss.
We have been told by Ford to look at Grand Am where Mustangs with live
axles race and win against cars with IRS from companies like BMW,
Porsche, and others. This may be true, but one has to remember that a
smooth race track and the driving environment of public roads are two
different worlds. Once off the race track we have bumps, pot holes,
railroad tracks, expansion joints, and surface transitions that make
that live axle dance. These conditions all remind a Mustang driver
every day of that piece of 14th century design underpinning their
driving experience.
The point of an IRS is not necessarily always about performance, but
rewarding the driver with confidence, stability, and refinement that
is expected in a modern day performance car. With the amount of power
these Mustangs have today, an IRS would not only increase safety by a
huge margin, but also market appeal in a world full of IRS equipped
Chevy Camaros, Nissan 370Zs, Corvettes, and yes even a Hyundai Genesis
Coupe. And when you consider that some high performance Mustangs are
now in the $50,000-80,000 price range, it really has become the time
give the horse some new legs.
Patrick
Brent - 23 Oct 2009 04:27 GMT
> Other news on the wire this week is that the next revision of the
> Shelby GT-500 will use an aluminum block to save weight. What is not
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> are extolled like virtues from heaven. Yet their own halo sports car
> does not need it? Something is amiss.
> We have been told by Ford to look at Grand Am where Mustangs with live
> axles race and win against cars with IRS from companies like BMW,
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> every day of that piece of 14th century design underpinning their
> driving experience.
> The point of an IRS is not necessarily always about performance, but
> rewarding the driver with confidence, stability, and refinement that
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> now in the $50,000-80,000 price range, it really has become the time
> give the horse some new legs.
Any idea on the date for the 2011? I'm not sure I can wait another year
to buy a car given what the government and fed are doing to the money.
On the IRS thing, it does seem as if Ford has finally made the live axle
a lot better than it has traditionally been. Far better than I could
have thought when they decided on not using IRS for the '05. The latest
GT500 vs. vette test in one of the car rags shows the GT500 doesn't
suffer much because of it. But like you wrote, that's on the track. Not
hitting a chicago pot hole or frost heave that can feel like it's going
to send the car into the next lane. That said, I am used to dealing with
the solid axle.
I really want IRS, the car should have it, but then something in the back
of my head thinks of snow, salt, and temperature that combine with use to
attack CV boots. It just becomes one more thing to watch and take care
of. It's not like I can do what I did with my '97, scrape off the scale
and paint it.
A 2011 with the 400 something HP 5.0 and the track pack sounds good and
less money than buying a GT500 even after I have to change the brakes on
it. They might even offer green as a color again... but I don't know if
it's possible to wait that long. Things being the way they are some
political or economic changes might mean it never happens.
John S. - 23 Oct 2009 12:32 GMT
> All good stuff... read on.
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> Patrick
Ok... I'm a V6 enthusiast... Couple of things come to mind...
Yes, the V6 will have 315HP but what about torque? Yes, like the old
say HP sells cars... The thing is a V6 at 315HP is probably only going
to make about 270 ft/lbs of torque, give or take a few ft/lbs. So
yeah, it may have the same or higher HP level as older V8 but a lot of
those V8s still made more torque! I can't believe they brought up the
2003 Mach1! LOL! The Mach1 was rated at 302HP/320TQ.... I think a
lot of folks agree the Mach1 was underrated! I've seen dyno sheet
that would put the Mach1 more in the 330 to 340 TQ range... So even
at 315HP I don't see the 3.7 V6 making those kind of torque
numbers....
Also... as long as there is a V8 option the V6 will still be shunned
by some people... V6 owners will continue to hear "Oh, it's only a
V6?" or "You should have got the V8". The V6 in my new Camaro is
basically identical to the 3.7 Duratec as it's being proposed and yes,
this new and improved 3.7 Duratec does sound very impressive.... but I
think you have to maintain a sense of realism too... Yes, the media
may look more favorable on the new high tech 3.7 than previous V6
mustangs but there will always be those that think that Mustangs HAVE
to have a V8 or it's not a real Mustang...
Looking forward to seeing the new line up! I think i read Job #1 was
like Mid-March 2010...
Brent - 23 Oct 2009 13:17 GMT
> Yes, the V6 will have 315HP but what about torque? Yes, like the old
> say HP sells cars... The thing is a V6 at 315HP is probably only going
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> at 315HP I don't see the 3.7 V6 making those kind of torque
> numbers....
It's too bad that ford in the USA shuns the inline 6. That would solve
the torque issue.
Rich - 26 Oct 2009 23:07 GMT
Mustang is still a pig. 100+HP more than some cars (claimed) and it
can't keep up with them. It needs to lose about 500lbs and weigh like
the 1988's did.
ronchese - 26 Oct 2009 23:17 GMT
> Mustang is still a pig. 100+HP more than some cars (claimed) and it
> can't keep up with them. It needs to lose about 500lbs and weigh like
> the 1988's did.
that and the electronic throttle,
they keep initial torque limited so old ladies wont spin out