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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Mustang / October 2004Charlene is alive again - mystery solved!
The problem: A dead fuel pump. Cost: $470 fuel pump $20 fuel filter $165 labor to diagnose and remedy Apparently, the diagnosis was pretty simple: a quick check of fuel rail revealed ZERO pressure, and a code scan revealed something about high resistance in the fuel pump circuit. It took the tech all of 15 minutes to diagnose the problem, and about an hour to remedy it. Money well spent, IMO. Pat yourself on the back Jim; you were right. He used a $5000 code scanner which apparently does a much more through job of grabbing obscure codes than my $300 Actron scantool. He was even able to access logs detailing my attempts to obtain DTC's. His exact words: "You get what you pay for." My only puzzlement is the cost of a new Ford fuel pump. I'm tempted to call a Ford parts buddy of mine and ask what these really cost to determine the markup. But my alter-ego says forget it: I deliberately took the car to a local, independent repair shop because I wanted the money to benefit the little guy who's just trying to make an honest buck and put food on his table, in a town surrounded by large, national repair outfits who don't care if the customer lives or dies. I'll probably never make that call. I'm not the guy who says he loves America, yet drives a foreign car. And I paid him with CASH: not one penny of his hard-earned profits went to VISA International or American Express. This also displayed my trust and confidence in the quality of his work. Damn few people think far enough ahead to treat their mechanic with this much respect. I do wish more people did, however. Food for thought. Charlene now runs as good as new. Something mentioned to me regarding fuel pumps may be of interest to the group: they often die a premature death from clogged fuel filters, constantly running on less than 1/4 tank, and from running out of fuel entirely. None of this applied to Charlene, but it's something for other Mustang owners to think about. -JD >The problem: > [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > >-JD Kudos for your commitment to the mechanic/shop...It's good to have a trusted place to take your car. Thanks for the new knowledge. fe fe feh fuhhh F O U R H U N D R E D S E V E N T Y D O L L A R S for a fuel pump... ????? lkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk Sorry... I passed out and my head was on the keyboard for a while :) > The problem: > [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > -JD > The problem: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > $470 fuel pump $470! That's the most outrageous thing I've ever heard! I paid $109 for a Walbro 255lph pump. >I wanted the money to benefit the little guy who's just trying to make an honest buck and put food on his table Don't forget his boat payments. Jim S. '82 Mutant > The problem: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > $470 fuel pump $470! That's the most outrageous thing I've ever heard! I paid $109 for a Walbro 255lph pump. >I wanted the money to benefit the little guy who's just trying to make an honest buck and put food on his table Don't forget his boat payments. Jim S. '82 Mutant > The problem: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > resistance in the fuel pump circuit. It took the tech all of 15 minutes to > diagnose the problem, and about an hour to remedy it. Money well spent, IMO. Not raining on your parade, but a bit steep on the part. Go here and identify the Ford Motorcraft P/N. I came up with PFS-231: http://www.motorcraft.com Tried this website for a ballpark figure: http://tinyurl.com/5dvr6 Unless you already have one, you might want to pick up a fuel pressure gauge in the future. Sh*t happens, just not at the most convenient time, if there is such a thing. Given the choice, better to break down in front of Starbucks than at high speed on the freeway. Know what I mean??? > Charlene now runs as good as new. Something mentioned to me regarding fuel > pumps may be of interest to the group: they often die a premature death from > clogged fuel filters, constantly running on less than 1/4 tank, and from > running out of fuel entirely. None of this applied to Charlene, but it's > something for other Mustang owners to think about. F/P is probably more stressed and overheating from those conditions. Did you request the old part back??? May want to check the coil resistance and see if it's open or out of spec based on the code scan of high resistance in the F/P circuit. Just a thought... -- Mike 93 Cobra > Not raining on your parade, but a bit steep on the part. Go here and > identify the Ford Motorcraft P/N. I came up with PFS-231: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > http://tinyurl.com/5dvr6 I figured the shop would hit me up with a 40-60% markup on the parts, and it looks like I was pretty close to the mark. You'd be surprised to learn that Kragen Auto marks their parts up 400-600%, which tells more about the low quality of their stuff than anything else. I find $284+ for a fuel pump pretty outrageous in and of itself. Gotta keep the shareholders happy I guess. The owner of the shop is barely staying afloat as it is; he can't even afford to medical insurance for his employees. This says more about my commitment to the local economy and independant shops than anything else. I got top-drawer service and I don't mind paying for it. > Unless you already have one, you might want to pick up a fuel pressure > gauge in the future. Sh*t happens, just not at the most convenient time, > if there is such a thing. Given the choice, better to break down in front > of Starbucks than at high speed on the freeway. Know what I mean??? I hear ya - an FP guage is now on my 'wannit list'. I find it unusual that the fuel pump croaked to begin with. I suspect it was due to inactivity more than anything else; I only put about 100 miles per month on her these days, and sometimes not driving a car is harder on it than driving the piss out of it. -JD > > Not raining on your parade, but a bit steep on the part. Go here and > > identify the Ford Motorcraft P/N. I came up with PFS-231: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Kragen Auto marks their parts up 400-600%, which tells more about the low > quality of their stuff than anything else. Retail shops buy their parts wholesale so the price paid by the consumer is more or less in line with everyone else. You weren't close to the mark, you were ripped off. And please show your source for the claimed markup at Kragen. > I find $284+ for a fuel pump pretty outrageous in and of itself. Gotta keep > the shareholders happy I guess. The owner of the shop is barely staying > afloat as it is; he can't even afford to medical insurance for his employees. > This says more about my commitment to the local economy and independant > shops than anything else. I got top-drawer service and I don't mind paying > for it. You are full of sh.t. You got ripped off or are BS'ing about the whole thing. Aren't you the guy who was moaning about gas grades being switched around at the pump, and what a rip-off that was? Wassamatta, the station employees getting insurance? And how the hell do you if the shop's employees are covered? The manure is getting deeper, JD. Why don't you admit you got screwed before it's too late. > > Unless you already have one, you might want to pick up a fuel pressure > > gauge in the future. Sh*t happens, just not at the most convenient time, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > than anything else; I only put about 100 miles per month on her these days, > and sometimes not driving a car is harder on it than driving the piss out of it. Words from the wise? > -JD  SignatureCobraJet Thunder Snake #1 > The problem: > [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > -JD I'm happy that you're up and running again, and I appreciate your sentiments regarding your independent mechanic, but I fear that this particular "local guy" might be out to make more than a few quick bucks. The most expensive fuel pump that I can find in my trusty Mustang catalog (a Ford Racing 190 liters capacity) is well under HALF than the one you bought. Making a fair profit is one thing, but 230% of retail is another, IMHO. > I'm happy that you're up and running again, and I appreciate your > sentiments regarding your independent mechanic, but I fear that this [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Making a fair profit is one thing, but 230% of retail is another, IMHO. Fordparts.com listed part# F8ZZ-9H307-BE as $284.63; I was actually charged 443.58, a markup of about 55%, which is about average for most shops these days. I know the owner personally. He's having a hellova time making ends meet. He employs 4 of the best mechanics you'll ever meet. They treated the car with the utmost in respect: no greasy fingerprints or footprints anywhere - not even on the fuel tank cover or rear bumper, and they had it fixed within an hour and a half after they got the parts in, which they had to special order from Reno, NV, 3 hours away. And they had it fixed and ready to go within 12 hours of flatbedding it in. Hell, they didn't EVEN hot-rod it around the block, like the last moronic dealership did. It had exactly one-tenth of a mile on the clock from start to finish. That alone warrants my appreciation. Yes, he marked up the parts - every shop does to pay the bills, jeez, the workmen's comp alone costs this guy 1.2 million per year! He can't even afford to offer medical coverage for his employees; it's damn tough to be in this business these days. I wouldn't want to do it, that's for sure. With Pep Boys right down the street, he has quite an uphill battle on his hands. He keeps customers around with SERVICE, and I don't mind paying a bit more for that service. You get what you pay for - his exact words. Anyway, the thread was to be centered around the elusive diagnosis, not Business Ethics 101. I'm just hopeful that everyone here will give the independent shops a shot at their next repair, even if it costs a little more. Everyone's always so concerned with price, and not with expert service these days, and again, I still think you get what you pay for. -JD > > I'm happy that you're up and running again, and I appreciate your > > sentiments regarding your independent mechanic, but I fear that this [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > 443.58, a markup of about 55%, which is about average for most shops these > days. Bullshit. see my previous post. You haven't a clue about wholesale markups, do you? > I know the owner personally. He's having a hellova time making ends meet. > He [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > to > finish. That alone warrants my appreciation. Send your Mustang my way. I have a $2500 alarm that you'll love. Plus, you'll have the satisfaction of knowing you contributed towards my race car. > Yes, he marked up the parts - every shop does to pay the bills, jeez, the > workmen's comp alone costs this guy 1.2 million per year! Oh fuckin'-A you are stupid AND gullible. 1.2 mil for 4 mechanics? Holy sh.t this is even more wacked out than Jerry Springer. > He can't even > afford to offer medical coverage for his employees; it's damn tough to be in > this business these days. Did they coat the violin in 90-weight, or just jammed it up your a.s dry? > I wouldn't want to do it, that's for sure. With > Pep Boys right down the street, he has quite an uphill battle on his hands. Four of the best mechanics and 1.2 million in workman's comp, and he worries about Pep Boys. Somebody help me... I'm about to laugh myself to death. > He keeps customers around with SERVICE, and I don't mind paying a bit more > for > that service. You get what you pay for - his exact words. You paid for an anal invasion; you got it. Can't argue with that. > Anyway, the thread was to be centered around the elusive diagnosis, not > Business Ethics 101. I'm just hopeful that everyone here will give the > independent shops a shot at their next repair, even if it costs a little > more. > Everyone's always so concerned with price, and not with expert service these > days, and again, I still think you get what you pay for. Ain't anyone else in this group stupid enough to spew out the most asinine series of unbelievable posts I've seen since you thought that old man was trying to pick a fight with you 'cuz he pulled up close to your bumper at a light. Butt there's always a plebe that will swallow this whole ball of smegma. Let's see who it is this time. > -JD SignatureCobraJet Thunder Snake #1 > Bullshit. see my previous post. You haven't a clue about wholesale > markups, do you? Wooo, not just a dickhead but a dumbass as well. Just go back to your little group. SignatureYOU are the real piece of work in this post. I think you are a couple of drumsticks short of a picnic there bud. - SVTKate > > Bullshit. see my previous post. You haven't a clue about wholesale > > markups, do you? > > Wooo, not just a dickhead but a dumbass as well. Just go back to > your little group. I'm a dumbass for operating a retail biz for decades and having a clue how it all works? Funny how the plebes fall for the sympathy "goodbye" tripe when JD couldn't even tell me himself to f.ck off. Punks. SignatureCobraJet Thunder Snake #1 Easy, easy. We all see JD got taken, but that doesn't mean you have to get rude on here. Let's keep the peace will you. please. >> > I'm happy that you're up and running again, and I appreciate your >> > sentiments regarding your independent mechanic, but I fear that this [quoted text clipped - 73 lines] > >> -JD Remove NO-SPAM from email address when replying "workmen's comp alone costs this guy 1.2 million per year!" For four employees? WTF? I don't think you have your figures right... > > I'm happy that you're up and running again, and I appreciate your > > sentiments regarding your independent mechanic, but I fear that this [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > -JD >> I'm happy that you're up and running again, and I appreciate your >> sentiments regarding your independent mechanic, but I fear that this [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Fordparts.com listed part# F8ZZ-9H307-BE as $284.63; I was actually charged >443.58, a markup of about 55%, which is about average for most shops these days. No, that's way more markup. You think fordparts.com has no markup ? think again. If I were you I'd go back to the shop and complain. This is outrageous man. >I know the owner personally. He's having a hellova time making ends meet. He >employs 4 of the best mechanics you'll ever meet. They treated the car with If he has such good mechanics he should charge more for labor, not the parts ! Remove NO-SPAM from email address when replying >>Fordparts.com listed part# F8ZZ-9H307-BE as $284.63; I was actually charged >>443.58, a markup of about 55%, which is about average for most shops these days. > > No, that's way more markup. You think fordparts.com has no markup ? > think again. If I were you I'd go back to the shop and complain. This > is outrageous man. Judging by threads I've read in rec.autos.tech that defend the mark up practice, the shops mark up from what they pay, which probably isn't that much different from what we pay. After all, he's not going to be buying ford mustang fuel pumps a 100 or more at a time to get a good discount. He's buying one at a time and get a discount because he buys alot of different parts, but I doubt it's all that much. Sure, he probably gets a good break on things he can buy in bulk like 5-30W motor oil, tire valve stems, etc... Here is such a thread: http://www.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&threadm=55j7c9%249h4%40dismay.ucs.indiana .edu&rnum=2&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dshop%2Bpart%2Bcost%2Bgroup:rec.autos.tech%26hl%3D en%26lr%3D%26selm%3D55j7c9%25249h4%2540dismay.ucs.indiana.edu%26rnum%3D2 One relevant quote: From: -david.m.waller (davew@paprika.wh.att.com) Subject: Re: Mechanic's Markup Newsgroups: rec.autos.tech Date: 1996/11/05 "I balk at paying a mechanic $325 or $350 for a Bosch fuel pump when I can get the identical item for $157 through mail order" The only way JD was going to save significant money was to do the job himself. > >>Fordparts.com listed part# F8ZZ-9H307-BE as $284.63; I was actually charged > >>443.58, a markup of about 55%, which is about average for most shops these [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > He's buying one at a time and get a discount because he buys alot of > different parts, but I doubt it's all that much. But you don't "know" what the story really is, because there are many different scenarios involved. The reason private shops *can* compete with the dealerships is because the margins are geared for competition. If this were not the case, the dealers would be the only ones in business. > Sure, he probably gets > a good break on things he can buy in bulk like 5-30W motor oil, tire valve > stems, etc... No, you do not understand. There are WD's, which stand for Warehouse Distributor. These are multi-line vendors that exist only to provide wholesale pricing to the low-volume privateers. There are also retailers who have wholesale programs, such as Ford and NAPA. NO shops operating with a legal permit go to Ford and buy a part for list price and double the cost to the consumer. Such a shop would soon be out of business, and certainly wouldn't have the great reputation that JD's mythical place has. If the dealer has a part for 100 bucks list, then as a mechanic I can go in and buy it for 60-70 dollars (margins vary according to pricing from product manufacturers) and resell it to the customer for 90-95 dollars to keep him happy. That is how the game works. I've been in this biz for decades, and I also have friends with shops that are in the game. > Here is such a thread: > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > The only way JD was going to save significant money was to do the job > himself. No, he could have questioned this mechanic as to why the cost of the pump was so high. No *good* shop is any higher than the dealer. I think, if this story happened at all, that JD was marked as a patsy, given a sob story that he swallowed whole, and put out to pasture much to the bemusement of the rapists. There are also any number of shops that will charge straight labor to install parts brought in with the customer, and still charge less than the $168 an hour that he got reamed for. Other posters here have made it clear that you could buy 3 aftermarket hi-po pumps for what he paid for a stock replacement. ..... OK, I just got off the phone with a friend who has a shop. He pays $3600 a year in workman's comp for 3 salaried mechanics. Against 450k in annual gross revenue, this represents .8%. To pay 1.2 million a year in comp for 4 employees, they would have to working on commission, and the shop would have to be grossing, uh, gee, it seems my calculator ran out of spaces. For those of you smart enough to pay attention to what I say rather than how I say it: Ford contracts to Holley for stock pumps. Direct replacement Holley Mustang pumps are available online for somewhere around 100 bucks, circumventing the Ford dealer structure. For that price, it would be wise to keep one around just in case. The lesson, as I've said a million times: DO YOUR HOMEWORK! Don't wait until CobraJet does it for you. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to order a backup pump for my Crown Vic. SignatureCobraJet Thunder Snake #1 >> Sure, he probably gets >> a good break on things he can buy in bulk like 5-30W motor oil, tire valve [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Distributor. These are multi-line vendors that exist only to provide > wholesale pricing to the low-volume privateers. Take it up with boys in rec.autos.tech. I'm only sharing what I've picked up on this topic from them. I find some of them to be arseholes and seeing you dual with them on this topic would be rather amusing :) > There are also > retailers who have wholesale programs, such as Ford and NAPA. NO shops > operating with a legal permit go to Ford and buy a part for list price > and double the cost to the consumer. Hmmm.. since I do my own work I get these cost questions from coworkers and friends. I would say about double retail price is pretty common. Often they are amazed at the price difference when I call up the part on napa's website. I replaced a coworker's alternator on her mercury gran marquis at lunch once. Shop quoted her like $350 for this two bolt job. Totally assinine. I tested the alt, it was bad, carquest tested it, also bad, I think the top-o-line reman from them was like $150 I forget, well under half what she quoted by the shop. Put it on. The quote included labor, but come on, it's trivial time for something like this. > Such a shop would soon be out of > business, and certainly wouldn't have the great reputation that JD's > mythical place has. Maybe in your neck of the woods where-ever that may be. All I can go by is what people tell me they are being quoted for work. I've had one non-warranty repair done at a shop in the last decade or so not including tire mounting. Pinon seal on the mustang's diff. Too many tools I didn't have, too much of a pain in the a.s to do on jackstands. Called around, found the ford dealer had the lowest quote, below the time-and-aggivation value. So I had them do it. I just didn't want to spend a afternoon on my back with diff fluid in my hair and spend the money on tools instead. > If the dealer has a part for 100 bucks list, then > as a mechanic I can go in and buy it for 60-70 dollars (margins vary > according to pricing from product manufacturers) and resell it to the > customer for 90-95 dollars to keep him happy. That is how the game > works. I've been in this biz for decades, and I also have friends with > shops that are in the game. Must be nice where you are. I've found that most places seem to be set to screw people over, which is why I learned to do most everything myself. It's simply easier to do the work on my own than to argue with people and try to find a shop that isn't trying to rip me off. Seriously I am a bit jealous that capitalism still works properly where you are. But in other places because of various conditions (the interference of government being one) it just doesn't. > The lesson, as I've said a million times: DO YOUR HOMEWORK! Don't > wait until CobraJet does it for you. The answer is DITY in most cases because mechanics and people who run shops around here often act insulted when a customer questions them. Their price is often take it or leave it. I've even been insulted by shop personal when I have asked how much they would charge to do X. They just wanted me to bring in the car and let them decide what to do... more like break some stuff to pad the bill. There are a half-dozen different "prices" and "costs" in a dealer's inventory system, all for different purposes. The customer pays anywhere from 1.5 times real cost to 3 times real cost for any given part, depending on a whole host of circumstances. I work on dealers' systems software, so I see all the data. Joe Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC > In article <211020041240271748%68gtcs@streetracer.sfv>, CobraJet > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 70 lines] > charge to do X. They just wanted me to bring in the car and let them > decide what to do... more like break some stuff to pad the bill. > There are a half-dozen different "prices" and "costs" in a dealer's > inventory system, all for different purposes. The customer pays > anywhere from 1.5 times real cost to 3 times real cost for any given > part, depending on a whole host of circumstances. I work on dealers' > systems software, so I see all the data. Usually the smaller the part, the bigger the markup. That's because you have minimum costs entailed in shipping and inventory control no matter what. So a 50-cent bracket may resell for 2 bucks, but a 500-dollar part might resell for 750. You know the little solderless crimp connectors and black plastic wire loom tubing and the like? Looking at what the auto parts store gets for them in small quantity, you'd crap knowing what I pay for those things at wholesale pricing. However, I don't charge a customer for every connector; I average in 5 to 10 dollars a job to cover misc materials. Most repair places and dealers have a flat shop charge that covers expendable materials and things like cleaning rags and uniforms and floors. Again, it all boils down to homework. Unfortunately, most people today gotta have their cars fixed pronto, so they bite the big one and pay. > Joe > Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] > > charge to do X. They just wanted me to bring in the car and let them > > decide what to do... more like break some stuff to pad the bill. SignatureCobraJet Thunder Snake #1 CobraJet <68gtcs@streetracer.sfv> wrote in news:211020041744490125% 68gtcs@streetracer.sfv: >> There are a half-dozen different "prices" and "costs" in a dealer's >> inventory system, all for different purposes. The customer pays [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > matter what. So a 50-cent bracket may resell for 2 bucks, but a > 500-dollar part might resell for 750. Very true. Dealers don't make near as much percentage-wise on engines and trannys compared with clamps, belts, and light bulbs. > You know the little solderless crimp connectors and black plastic > wire loom tubing and the like? Looking at what the auto parts store [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > covers expendable materials and things like cleaning rags and uniforms > and floors. That stuff is called 'shop supplies' and can be a percentage or a flat fee. Same can be true for GOG (grease, oil, gas), although GOG can be line-item'd out. > Again, it all boils down to homework. Unfortunately, most people > today gotta have their cars fixed pronto, so they bite the big one and > pay. That's it in a nutshell. Joe Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC > >> Sure, he probably gets > >> a good break on things he can buy in bulk like 5-30W motor oil, tire valve [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > up on this topic from them. I find some of them to be arseholes and > seeing you dual with them on this topic would be rather amusing :) There's nothing to duel about. Either you are involved in the system or you're not. > > There are also > > retailers who have wholesale programs, such as Ford and NAPA. NO shops [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > under half what she quoted by the shop. Put it on. The quote included > labor, but come on, it's trivial time for something like this. Maybe you should have a sideline biz. > > Such a shop would soon be out of > > business, and certainly wouldn't have the great reputation that JD's [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > spend a afternoon on my back with diff fluid in my hair and spend the > money on tools instead. I can understand that. > > If the dealer has a part for 100 bucks list, then > > as a mechanic I can go in and buy it for 60-70 dollars (margins vary [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > It's simply easier to do the work on my own than to argue with people and > try to find a shop that isn't trying to rip me off. I think it's great you can do most of your own work. I wish your generation could claim that more often. > Seriously I am a bit jealous that capitalism still works properly where > you are. But in other places because of various conditions (the > interference of government being one) it just doesn't. I live in lower middle class area. People here will price shop till they drop or find a mechanic that does side work. > > The lesson, as I've said a million times: DO YOUR HOMEWORK! Don't > > wait until CobraJet does it for you. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > just wanted me to bring in the car and let them decide what to do... more > like break some stuff to pad the bill. What you are doing is arguing in favor of older, easier to DIY vehicles. Don't get me started on the OEM technology scam or we'll be here all month. Ever see Mexicans working on their cars? 5 or 6 of them get together and stare at the problem area until a solution is found, and they all help fixing it. Of course, *they* don't mind getting their hands dirty. Get the drift? SignatureCobraJet Thunder Snake #1 > There's nothing to duel about. Either you are involved in the system > or you're not. They say what they say.... *shrug* >> Hmmm.. since I do my own work I get these cost questions from coworkers >> and friends. I would say about double retail price is pretty common. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> under half what she quoted by the shop. Put it on. The quote included >> labor, but come on, it's trivial time for something like this. > Maybe you should have a sideline biz. When all the engineering jobs go to China, then I'll consider it :) I've got a number of recession proof skills... Basically I just help out friends and family... the usual price is food and drink. >> Seriously I am a bit jealous that capitalism still works properly where >> you are. But in other places because of various conditions (the >> interference of government being one) it just doesn't. > I live in lower middle class area. People here will price shop till > they drop or find a mechanic that does side work. Even the lower middle class areas seem not to be immune here. There is alot of do it yourself. Salvage yards are big business in the south suburbs. People bend over or do the repairs on their own. There are a couple decent shops around, but compared to what you've been saying alot of their prices are way too high as well. > What you are doing is arguing in favor of older, easier to DIY > vehicles. Don't get me started on the OEM technology scam or we'll be > here all month. I don't mind technology, I can deal with the sensors, computers etc just fine. What I hate is tight packaging and FWD. If my winter beater was RWD I could probably squeeze a few more winters out of it.... > Ever see Mexicans working on their cars? 5 or 6 of them get together > and stare at the problem area until a solution is found, and they all > help fixing it. Of course, *they* don't mind getting their hands dirty. > Get the drift? Not sure what you're getting at... I've met all kinds in the salvage yards.. people seem to be people. > > There's nothing to duel about. Either you are involved in the system > > or you're not. > > They say what they say.... *shrug* I'm not interested. > > >> Hmmm.. since I do my own work I get these cost questions from coworkers [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > When all the engineering jobs go to China, then I'll consider it :) Right after the Holidays, then? > I've got a number of recession proof skills... Basically I just help out > friends and family... the usual price is food and drink. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > fine. What I hate is tight packaging and FWD. If my winter beater was RWD > I could probably squeeze a few more winters out of it.... Well, I have to keep out of this topic or this group will go up in flames. > > > Ever see Mexicans working on their cars? 5 or 6 of them get together [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Not sure what you're getting at... I've met all kinds in the salvage > yards.. people seem to be people. I'm not talking about people in junkyards. I'm talking about the way the Mexicans always figure things out in groups, and the first thing most Anglos do is whisk their cars off to the mechanic. The Mexicans are more efficient. I figure out my friend's electrical probs, he troubleshoots my late model (he has one of those 6k Snap On scanners). I get his alarm and stereo gear for cost; he gets my mechanical parts at cost. Make friends that know what is going on. SignatureCobraJet Thunder Snake #1 >>>Fordparts.com listed part# F8ZZ-9H307-BE as $284.63; I was actually charged >>>443.58, a markup of about 55%, which is about average for most shops these days. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >a good break on things he can buy in bulk like 5-30W motor oil, tire valve >stems, etc... It still doesn't make sense. If that was the case, no independent shop would be in business anymore. They do cheapy oil changes to get you in and sell you other things you need. This totally defeats the purpose of going to independent shops. Ford would scream it from the top of the roofs that their repairs are HALF of any non-ford shop. Sorry, dude, I don't buy it. Remove NO-SPAM from email address when replying > It still doesn't make sense. If that was the case, no independent shop > would be in business anymore. They do cheapy oil changes to get you in > and sell you other things you need. This totally defeats the purpose > of going to independent shops. Ford would scream it from the top of > the roofs that their repairs are HALF of any non-ford shop. > Sorry, dude, I don't buy it. The only repair I've had someone do the ford dealer had the lowest quote for, sure it was about $50 lower than the highest and a simple job for a shop. $50 was significant percentage wise. *shrug* (the highest quote was also from the shop that insulted me for actually having diagnosised the problem, trying to tell me I couldn't know the pinon seal was leaking) I don't know what causes the conditions, only that they exist. Same woman I did the alternator replacement for was quoted some huge figure, like a grand to do valve cover seals of all things. 5.0 V8. They told her the engine had to come apart. Rutinely people ask me about the prices they are quoted. They almost all seem very high to me. You won't believe what one guy I work with has paid to repair his nissan... Told him was too much for the work but he bent over and paid it. Although I think he was going to dealerships. I've simply seen that independent, chain, and dealership all are often rip offs. There is a rare independent that won't. I know of one that isn't too bad... I have no reason to lie. Feel free to cross post this to rec.autos.tech. Maybe it's just life in the big city. > > It still doesn't make sense. If that was the case, no independent shop > > would be in business anymore. They do cheapy oil changes to get you in [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > shop. $50 was significant percentage wise. *shrug* (the highest quote was > also from the shop that insulted me for actually having diagnosised the Lay off the Habanero chips while you type. It's "diagnosed". > problem, trying to tell me I couldn't know the pinon seal was leaking) > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Told him was too much for the work but he bent over and paid it. Although > I think he was going to dealerships. I changed a 5 buck A/C relay on my accountant's Nissan after he had several quotes upwards of 700 bucks for a new compressor. I didn't charge him, but then again I'm not in the A/C biz. > I've simply seen that independent, chain, and dealership all are often > rip offs. There is a rare independent that won't. I know of one that > isn't too bad... Well then it's just up to each car owner to decide if he wants to learn enough about repairs to keep himself from being had, I guess. > I have no reason to lie. Feel free to cross post this to rec.autos.tech. > Maybe it's just life in the big city. Now now, crossposting is troll stuff and we don't need more a.sholes like me and Farkas in here. SignatureCobraJet Thunder Snake #1 > In article <qn9ed.409011$mD.280308@attbi_s02>, Brent P > Lay off the Habanero chips while you type. It's "diagnosed". Yah know, typo insults are pretty low.... > I changed a 5 buck A/C relay on my accountant's Nissan after he had > several quotes upwards of 700 bucks for a new compressor. I didn't > charge him, but then again I'm not in the A/C biz. So you know what I'm talking about then. > > In article <qn9ed.409011$mD.280308@attbi_s02>, Brent P > > > Lay off the Habanero chips while you type. It's "diagnosed". > > Yah know, typo insults are pretty low.... It doesn't get any lower than me. > > > I changed a 5 buck A/C relay on my accountant's Nissan after he had > > several quotes upwards of 700 bucks for a new compressor. I didn't > > charge him, but then again I'm not in the A/C biz. > > So you know what I'm talking about then. Arizona. A/C shops. *That's* the problem in my area. SignatureCobraJet Thunder Snake #1 >> > In article <qn9ed.409011$mD.280308@attbi_s02>, Brent P >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > It doesn't get any lower than me. The first honest thing you've said in quite a while.... NAPA Fuel Pumps Fuel Pump (OE Electric In-Tank Type) Usually ships in 24 hours. NFPP74946M F8ZZ9H307BE $ 202.49 | > I'm happy that you're up and running again, and I appreciate your | > sentiments regarding your independent mechanic, but I fear that this [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] | | -JD > NAPA Fuel Pumps Fuel Pump (OE Electric In-Tank Type) > Usually ships in 24 hours. NFPP74946M F8ZZ9H307BE $ 202.49 Can you bring up replacement Bosch brand O2 sensors (4 required) for a '97 Crown Vic? > | > I'm happy that you're up and running again, and I appreciate your > | > sentiments regarding your independent mechanic, but I fear that this [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > | > | -JD SignatureCobraJet Thunder Snake #1 prices are off the NAPA website, those of us with accounts there, your prices will be lower. Echlin Ignition Oxygen Sensor Contact customer service for ordering details. ECH OS227 $ 57.99 Front, Passenger's Side, Front, w/ 15" or 16" Wheels Echlin Ignition Oxygen Sensor Contact customer service for ordering details. ECH OS239 $ 57.99 Except Natural Gas Vehicle, Rear Bosch Oxygen Sensor Usually ships in 24 hours. BSA 13133 $ 65.99 OEM Type, Downstream Sensor, Located After Catalyst. Bosch Oxygen Sensor Usually ships in 24 hours. BSA 13117 $ 66.99 OEM Type, Located Before Catalytic Converter Bosch Oxygen Sensor Usually ships in 24 hours. 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ECH [quoted text clipped - 107 lines] > | > | > | > | -JD SignatureCobraJet Thunder Snake #1 > Fordparts.com listed part# F8ZZ-9H307-BE as $284.63; I was actually charged > 443.58, a markup of about 55%, which is about average for most shops these days. The difference I've found is that Ford sells the entire fuel pump assembly. When I went to Ford to replace my dead pump, the guy takes out this giant box. I'm thinking, is "he for real?" Anyway, he takes out entire assembly with pump and quotes me something north of 200 bux. No way. All i needed was the pump, but Ford doesn't sell it that way. Went to Autozone got one just shy of 100 bux about two years ago. > The problem: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > resistance in the fuel pump circuit. It took the tech all of 15 minutes to > diagnose the problem, and about an hour to remedy it. Money well spent, IMO. You're nuts. You got f.cked on this deal from the word go because you spend more time whining and panicking than doing your homework on pricing and troubleshooting (all these years and you still don't know what a fuel pump costs?). I find this ironic coming from a guy who's so critical about questions other people have fielded in here. And the pseudo-ethical "justification" bullshit below is just pathetic. *You* know you got f.cked. *You* know you folded like origami under the anxiety. And yet you surrendered to the masochistic urge to air out your debacle in public. What a laugh. You deserve the f.cking. > Pat yourself on the back Jim; you were right. > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > -JD SignatureCobraJet Thunder Snake #1 >> The problem: >> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > anxiety. And yet you surrendered to the masochistic urge to air out > your debacle in public. What a laugh. You deserve the f.cking. Come on, cut the guy some slack - with having a job and family, sometimes it's not easy to do all the checking, and he trusted his local mechanic, who obviously took advantage of that trust. I bet that JD will think twice about using that guy again. > >> The problem: > >> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > obviously took advantage of that trust. I bet that JD will think twice > about using that guy again. Job? Family? Gimme a break. *One* copy of MM&FF will tell you what just about any Mustang part should cost. Here's something else that set off my BS detector. A quote from JD *after* Kate mentions joining AAA for free tows: > I'm already an AAA member, and am loving all of the free flatbed tows > I'm > getting out of it. Finally, that sucker pays off! BUT, what about this paragraph from earlier in the same thread? > Place your bets. I plan to have it flatbedded to a local independent > shop [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > $800.00. > Buying the Scantool was a good investment however from my point of view. Why is he adding in tow costs when he gets them free? Hmm? C'mon, JD. Scan that repair receipt so I can decide if this whole thing is a fabricated plea for attention, or whether you really are a helpless patsy. SignatureCobraJet Thunder Snake #1 > Job? Family? Gimme a break. *One* copy of MM&FF will tell you what > just about any Mustang part should cost. At AutoZone.com, it's $180. SignatureJohn ThunderSnake #59 If you Reply, be sure and remove the " (DELETE_THIS) " from the email address. #1 $149.99 at Sears Item #9 47059 Actron OBDII autoscanner CP9135 includes free cd | > Job? Family? Gimme a break. *One* copy of MM&FF will tell you what | > just about any Mustang part should cost. | | At AutoZone.com, it's $180. > $149.99 at Sears > Item #9 47059 Actron OBDII autoscanner CP9135 > includes free cd So, JD, you got ripped off for the pump *and* the scanner. And the labor. And the tows you paid for were suddenly covered by AAA. I smell something foul. > | > Job? Family? Gimme a break. *One* copy of MM&FF will tell you what > | > just about any Mustang part should cost. > | > | At AutoZone.com, it's $180. SignatureCobraJet Thunder Snake #1 >> $149.99 at Sears >> Item #9 47059 Actron OBDII autoscanner CP9135 >> includes free cd > So, JD, you got ripped off for the pump *and* the scanner. And the > labor. And the tows you paid for were suddenly covered by AAA. I smell > something foul. You are correct on the fuel pump, but without knowing what scanner he bought it's imposible to tell if he got ripped off. He may have simply bought one with more features than he needs. I got the simplest one available a couple-four years ago, cost about $130 or so. Basically just cable and software. The next one up had alot more bells and whistles, was more than twice that. I'm sure things have changed since then, including newer low cost offerings carried by sears. Also, the most impressive scanners are the manufacturer ones. Got to play with one those for dodge. The Sun one that replaced it when dodge wanted theirs back wasn't nearly as good, but it does more than the one I bought. Although that was at the dawn of OBD2... He also mentioned triple A in his first post as I recall. > >> $149.99 at Sears > >> Item #9 47059 Actron OBDII autoscanner CP9135 [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > He also mentioned triple A in his first post as I recall. Then why would he suddenly add in that cost? And why didn't Kate stop drinking long enough to notice he already mentioned AAA? Maybe she thought he said AA. SignatureCobraJet Thunder Snake #1 > Then why would he suddenly add in that cost? And why didn't Kate > stop drinking long enough to notice he already mentioned AAA? Maybe she > thought he said AA. Couldn't tell ya. Just see the end of the third paragraph: http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=4170BE2A.5020900%40nospam.here&output=gplain > > Then why would he suddenly add in that cost? And why didn't Kate > > stop drinking long enough to notice he already mentioned AAA? Maybe she [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=4170BE2A.5020900%40nospam.here&output=gplain I already looked it up before I replied to you. My ISP archives this group back at least a year. SignatureCobraJet Thunder Snake #1 Man CJ, who stuck a burr up your butt? You haven't been this big a jerk in a long time. So JD paid more for a pump than he should have, it's HIS money,HE worked his a.s off for it and he can do whatever the hell he wants to with it. If he got peace of mind from dealing with this guy and a good feeling about supporting a local business then it's really none of your business. If he was spending YOUR money, then you would have the right to bitch about it. Chill out for cryin out loud. Kate | > >> $149.99 at Sears | > >> Item #9 47059 Actron OBDII autoscanner CP9135 [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] | stop drinking long enough to notice he already mentioned AAA? Maybe she | thought he said AA. > Man CJ, who stuck a burr up your butt? > You haven't been this big a jerk in a long time. Didn't you inform someone else recently that CobraJet calls it the way he sees it? Pissed 'cuz your BF ran out? > So JD paid more for a pump than he should have, it's HIS money,HE worked his > a.s off for it and he can do whatever the hell he wants to with it. If he > got peace of mind from dealing with this guy and a good feeling about > supporting a local business then it's really none of your business. Wrong. As soon as he posted it was my business, and anyone else's. > If he > was spending YOUR money, then you would have the right to bitch about it. You know, it irks the sh.t out of me when a person goes about slamming other people over the years for doing stupid things or spamming or what have you, and then expects to be held inviolate for a stunt most newbies wouldn't have fallen for. If it weren't for his past, I may not have said a word. > Chill out for cryin out loud. It was OK for me to call BS on that guy who got ripped off buying a leaf spring for his '65. It was OK for me to call BS on that nitwit who f.cked up his/her story about a bad Transgo shift. But it's not OK for me to call BS on someone trying to justify his lack of sense and resulting "ethics" for throwing his money away? READ the outrageous claims about markup and workman's comp. Get smart, plebe. > Kate > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > | stop drinking long enough to notice he already mentioned AAA? Maybe she > | thought he said AA. SignatureCobraJet Thunder Snake #1 Man, when the NG is calm because Nathan and Troy the Troll, along with the WT are gone, CobraJet has to start throwing stones. I see nothing positive from CobraJet; maybe it was HIS BF who ran off....and maybe he didn't make it all the way thru the 12 steps.... BTW, I'm not new, just the moniker. You have known me as Ralph Snart. Let the flames begin. >> Man CJ, who stuck a burr up your butt? >> You haven't been this big a jerk in a long time. [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] >> | stop drinking long enough to notice he already mentioned AAA? Maybe she >> | thought he said AA. > Man, when the NG is calm because Nathan and Troy the Troll, along with the > WT are gone, CobraJet has to start throwing stones. I see nothing positive [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Let the flames begin. I have my reasons for my Attitude. You are just a tag-along with a stupid nym. > >> Man CJ, who stuck a burr up your butt? > >> You haven't been this big a jerk in a long time. [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] > >> | stop drinking long enough to notice he already mentioned AAA? Maybe she > >> | thought he said AA. SignatureCobraJet Thunder Snake #1 >> Man, when the NG is calm because Nathan and Troy the Troll, along with >> the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > I have my reasons for my Attitude. You are just a tag-along with a > stupid nym. I've never had a problem with you, but your mad-dog attacks remind me of Troy the Troll, and when Kate asked you to chill, you just had to badmouth her. That did it, I just had to stand up and tell you that you went over the line. I had the Ralph Snart pseudonym for over 10 years, but gave it up last month when Marc Hansen of 'Ralph Snart Comics' polititely asked me to give it up because he's starting 'Ralph Snart' again. I did so willingly because he asked me nicely; something that you don't seem capable of doing. The reasons for your attitude can be solve by simple medications - Prozac, Zoloft, Cyanide....please see your doctor soon. Preferably, Dr. Kevorkian. > >> Man, when the NG is calm because Nathan and Troy the Troll, along with > >> the [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > her. That did it, I just had to stand up and tell you that you went over > the line. Well, you can sit back down because I don't give a rat's a.s who you choose to defend. Kate's post was hypocritical. I called her on it. She should have known better. SHe has dished it out to others many times before; did she suddenly need your help? > I had the Ralph Snart pseudonym for over 10 years, but gave it up last month > when Marc Hansen of 'Ralph Snart Comics' polititely asked me to give it up > because he's starting 'Ralph Snart' again. I did so willingly because he > asked me nicely; something that you don't seem capable of doing. I was referring to Rowdy Rebel being stupid. Sounds like a Jap cartoon. I gave JD a chance to 'fess up. He made up more crap 'cuz he knew he was in a corner. > The reasons for your attitude can be solve by simple medications - Prozac, > Zoloft, Cyanide....please see your doctor soon. Preferably, Dr. Kevorkian. If your humor was any drier my screen would be sweating shale. SignatureCobraJet Thunder Snake #1 > I was referring to Rowdy Rebel being stupid. Sounds like a Jap > cartoon. I'm from the deep South. My co-worker call me 'Johnny Reb'. I'm also called 'Rowdy Reb' by my classmates at school (I'm getting a degree in Aviation -what are you doing with your free time?) due to my anti-athority attitude. So that's where the moniker came from. I'm glad you don't like it - I hope it gives you heartburn. >> The reasons for your attitude can be solve by simple medications - >> Prozac, >> Zoloft, Cyanide....please see your doctor soon. Preferably, Dr. >> Kevorkian. > > If your humor was any drier my screen would be sweating shale. Ooooh, a funny! > > I was referring to Rowdy Rebel being stupid. Sounds like a Jap > > cartoon. > > I'm from the deep South. My co-worker call me 'Johnny Reb'. How 50's. Do you have a confederate flag on your front bumper? Get into your car through the open window? Is Daisy Mae your wife, sister, or both? > I'm also > called 'Rowdy Reb' by my classmates at school (I'm getting a degree in > Aviation -what are you doing with your free time?) Assembling surface-to-air missiles. > due to my anti-athority > attitude. So that's where the moniker came from. I'm glad you don't like > it - I hope it gives you heartburn. If you think about Johnny Rebel, you *are* the anti and I *am* the authority. Care for a Tums? > >> The reasons for your attitude can be solve by simple medications - > >> Prozac, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > > Ooooh, a funny! Did you raise your pinky when you said, "Ooooh"? Got that Marilyn Monroe pucker-thing going? SignatureCobraJet Thunder Snake #1 "CobraJet" <68gtcs@streetracer.sfv> wrote *snipped* | Well, you can sit back down because I don't give a rat's a.s who you | choose to defend. Kate's post was hypocritical. How so? I called her on it. She should have known better. SHe has dished it out to others many times | before; did she suddenly need your help? Yep, I have dished out my share.. and I can generally take it too. If I decide that I don't want to "hear" your opinion, I will simply stop reading your posts. In this particular thread, I have decided to exercise that option because you're getting on my nerves. Kate Getting on everybody's nerves. Not only pointed out a mistake of JD... but was a complete jerk about it. Ah well. -Mike -- A happy kid behind the wheel of a 98 Mustang GT Cold air intake FRPP 3.73 gears Steeda Tri-Ax Shifter Full Boar turbo mufflers Hi-speed fan switch 255/60R-15 rear tires Subframe connectors > "CobraJet" <68gtcs@streetracer.sfv> wrote > *snipped* [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Kate > "CobraJet" <68gtcs@streetracer.sfv> wrote > *snipped* [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > How so? C'mon, you answered this right below. You've dished out your share. But you can't take it when the gun is levelled at your buddy. Why didn't you rush in to Mike's rescue when Jason was lambasting him? JD unable to fend for himself? > I called her on it. She should have known better. SHe has dished it out to > others many times [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > If I decide that I don't want to "hear" your opinion, I will simply stop > reading your posts. Like I said, hypocritical. You don't want to hear my opinion when it turns toward JD instead of someone else. > In this particular thread, I have decided to exercise that option because > you're getting on my nerves. Listen, Kate, JD has posted borderline absurdities ad nauseum over the years. Exaggeration is his middle name. I'm so sorry if you cannot see that. I understand if you don't like my "style", but somebody finally had to call him on it. The fact that he ran like a coward pretty much confirms that I was too close to the truth for comfort. It's really shameful that you and others choose to defend a mentally unstable person who's vanished. Again. > Kate SignatureCobraJet Thunder Snake #1 It's not JUST defending JD... you pointed out that he potentially made up the story. In all honesty, I am leaning towards he made it up too! At the very least, there is some definite BS'ing going on in his story from him. You've very thoroughly pointed that out........ and then pointed your finger & laughed... and rubbed it in as much as you possibly could... and then some! It's just too f*cking much! You've made your point... why do you need to keep on & on?? -Mike -- A happy kid behind the wheel of a 98 Mustang GT Cold air intake FRPP 3.73 gears Steeda Tri-Ax Shifter Full Boar turbo mufflers Hi-speed fan switch 255/60R-15 rear tires Subframe connectors > > "CobraJet" <68gtcs@streetracer.sfv> wrote > > *snipped* [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > CobraJet > Thunder Snake #1 >It's not JUST defending JD... you pointed out that he potentially made up >the story. In all honesty, I am leaning towards he made it up too! At the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >some! It's just too f*cking much! You've made your point... why do you need >to keep on & on?? Because he's a turd and an immature bully? There is something seriously wrong with someone who takes that much pleasure in brow beating and humiliating someone. And yes, I know JD can be a bit over the top at times, but so what? CJ seems to think he's on some divine mission to set straight the record on JD. Instead CJ's behavior resembled the overreaction of a petulant child who'd at last been given the opportunity to strike back at his abuser. Sad really. >-Mike > It's not JUST defending JD... you pointed out that he potentially made up > the story. In all honesty, I am leaning towards he made it up too! At the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > -Mike He has his reasons - the biggest being that he's obviously a very unhappy camper in real life. > > It's not JUST defending JD... you pointed out that he potentially made up > > the story. In all honesty, I am leaning towards he made it up too! At the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > He has his reasons - the biggest being that he's obviously a very unhappy > camper in real life. Yeah, that's it. The other morning I woke up and said to myself, "Thunder Snake Number One, you is a very unhappy camper. But maybe you'll feel heaps better iff'n ol' JD posts some outrageous poopy so's you can cook up some steaming cow pie wid it." Mmmm, cow pie. So I slithered back to RAMFM and coiled up behind the bushes watching Charlene real intent-like, and watching how some other people were already pointing out how JD got poon-tanged by a shifless skonk. The stage was set. Then JD started opening his wallet for the starving mechanics who pay a mil for comp and all this poopy started dropping outta the sky. And I figgered I am now in my native element, honed my fangs wid some 800 grit, and struck. And truly I felt better, to the point where I will be doing some happy camping this here week end. Ya got me pegged, Rowdy. You the ginchiest. SignatureCobraJet Thunder Snake #1 >> > It's not JUST defending JD... you pointed out that he potentially made >> > up [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Ya got me pegged, Rowdy. You the ginchiest. Well, it's nice that you're a happy camper today - but how long will it last? > >> > It's not JUST defending JD... you pointed out that he potentially made > >> > up [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > Well, it's nice that you're a happy camper today - but how long will it > last? Until the next poop-packin' desperado comes along. SignatureCobraJet Thunder Snake #1 Not only did CJ peg JD, he did it in good ol' TA style. Absolutely great! Mike, you need to go back and google Thunder Alley in RAMFM, then sit back for some laughs. Joe Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC > It's not JUST defending JD... you pointed out that he potentially > made up the story. In all honesty, I am leaning towards he made it [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] >> CobraJet >> Thunder Snake #1 > It's not JUST defending JD... you pointed out that he potentially made up > the story. In all honesty, I am leaning towards he made it up too! At the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > some! It's just too f*cking much! You've made your point... why do you need > to keep on & on?? No, grasshopper. There remains the big question as to "why". Why did JD write this? Why did he turn and run? Why, after years of seeing what prices are, did he feel like opening himself up to ridicule (whether or not the story was true). Why, after years of ridiculing others, did he think anyone would buy that "feed the homeless mechanics" tripe? Why? If you were more properly cynical, you would asking yourself the same things, and be a tad pissed that a vested member of this newsgroup has again acted in a way that treats other people like trusting sheep. Question motive. Question authority. Get smart. > -Mike > [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > CobraJet > > Thunder Snake #1 SignatureCobraJet Thunder Snake #1 | > "CobraJet" <68gtcs@streetracer.sfv> wrote | > *snipped* [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] | didn't you rush in to Mike's rescue when Jason was lambasting him? JD | unable to fend for himself? I think it's because you were just so quick and so nasty mean As for Mike, I seriously am not sure what you are talking about. Now and thenI read something that touches a nerve. Your post bugged me. | > I called her on it. She should have known better. SHe has dished it out to | > others many times [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] | Like I said, hypocritical. You don't want to hear my opinion when it | turns toward JD instead of someone else. Naw, it wasn't the JD specifically thing, it was just that I thought you were being particularly mean. You go through stages like this, I had forgotten how ornery you can be. As a rule you don't bug me. | > In this particular thread, I have decided to exercise that option because | > you're getting on my nerves. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] | It's really shameful that you and others choose to defend a mentally | unstable person who's vanished. Again. You could be right, I don't know. But, you could be wrong too. If you felt you had to call him on it, you and I both know it's your right to do so. I just keep thinking that no one likes to get kicked in the teeth when they have already taken it in the back pocket. If it had been me, I would have already felt bad enough with the price of the repairs, but to have it shoved in my face and rubbed around it would have really hurt. Ok, enough of that... NOW... I am going to leave this thread :) stop bugging me, will ya! | > Kate >>>Man, when the NG is calm because Nathan and Troy the Troll, along with >>>the [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > The reasons for your attitude can be solve by simple medications - Prozac, > Zoloft, Cyanide....please see your doctor soon. Preferably, Dr. Kevorkian. I don't have a dog in this fight but damn if I haven't laughed more reading this thread than just about any other this year! I'm still laughing over the lubed violin remark. This is just another classic CJ rant. Chill out, relax and go with the flow. ;) >>>>Man, when the NG is calm because Nathan and Troy the Troll, along >>>>with the [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > laughing over the lubed violin remark. This is just another classic > CJ rant. Chill out, relax and go with the flow. ;) Almost as good as Thunder Alley. LOL! Joe Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC >>>>>Man, when the NG is calm because Nathan and Troy the Troll, along >>>>>with the [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Almost as good as Thunder Alley. LOL! Even if I were the target of CJ's wrath I would still have to laugh at some of his comments. Funny is funny whether you're the one getting roasted or not. "Michael Johnson, PE" <cds@erols.com> wrote in news:yOednXqm6ac1T- rcRVn-vg@comcast.com: >>>>>>Man, when the NG is calm because Nathan and Troy the Troll, along >>>>>>with the [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > some of his comments. Funny is funny whether you're the one getting > roasted or not. Definitely. And the best part is that he's usually correct. ;) Joe Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC Though I personally may not agree with the way it was done, it IS positive to point out when someone gets ripped off. Others may not know what a fair deal is and they'll be more careful in the future. You can justify getting ripped off if it makes you feel better but our system works by each of us trying to get the best deal we can. This is a SURVIVAL strategy that helps us have enough left to pay for food, shelter, medical care, etc. LJH 95GT > Man, when the NG is calm because Nathan and Troy the Troll, along with the > WT are gone, CobraJet has to start throwing stones. I see nothing positive [quoted text clipped - 75 lines] > >> | stop drinking long enough to notice he already mentioned AAA? Maybe she > >> | thought he said AA. > You're nuts. You got f.cked on this deal from the word go because > you spend more time whining and panicking than doing your homework on [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > anxiety. And yet you surrendered to the masochistic urge to air out > your debacle in public. What a laugh. You deserve the f.cking. I knew at least one lowbreed in this group would start dropping the F*bomb the minute I posted the solution. I now know how Bill S. felt, every time he tried to share information with people here, only to have someone stomp on his face with muddy boots simply because somone could. Adios RAMFM. I don't need this crap from anyone. > > You're nuts. You got f.cked on this deal from the word go because > > you spend more time whining and panicking than doing your homework on [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > the > minute I posted the solution. Then maybe you should have spent a few |
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