Robert Lutz ( GM Brand Manager) thought that the market was ready for a
retro classic high performance vehicle and imported this vehicle from
Australia.
The GTO is supposed to stir the soul of every fifty+ year old in America who
yearned for a muscle car that could not afford one the first time around
back in the sixties.
But... the styling is not distinctive enough, the performance is not
stellar, and the price is too high. So... it's just another overpriced
uninspiring American vehicle as far as the public is concerned.
: No offense to the GTO owners, but I saw one sunday, and I thought I
: was looking at a Grand AM....until I saw the GTO badge on the fender.
: The Front reminded me of a Grand Am, the back, front, heck everything
: looked like Grand Am......what's the big deal? Is it the engine?
Backyard Mechanic - 20 Oct 2004 19:06 GMT
> Robert Lutz ( GM Brand Manager) thought that the market was ready for a
> retro classic high performance vehicle and imported this vehicle from
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> who yearned for a muscle car that could not afford one the first time
> around back in the sixties.
Hey...i'm WELL into that age bracket, but I sure aint in that demographic!!
When i look at some of those cars driven into "cruise-in" gatherings i want
to puke... and I'm glad I was away from cars and then rekindled my interest
with NEW technology.
That said, to me, there's VERY few muscle and others that look good today....
Orig Mustang and camaro and mid-late sixties Nova and Malibu being among the
few
Claud Spinks - 20 Oct 2004 21:28 GMT
I agree. But today I saw a late 60'/early 70's restorod Merc Cougar.
Wow, for some reason it looked perfect. Sitting at a red light it just
looked fast. Kind of like it was ready to pounce.
Claud
>>Robert Lutz ( GM Brand Manager) thought that the market was ready for a
>>retro classic high performance vehicle and imported this vehicle from
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> Orig Mustang and camaro and mid-late sixties Nova and Malibu being among the
> few
Dan - 20 Oct 2004 23:42 GMT
> Robert Lutz ( GM Brand Manager) thought that the market was ready for a
> retro classic high performance vehicle and imported this vehicle from
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> stellar, and the price is too high. So... it's just another overpriced
> uninspiring American vehicle as far as the public is concerned.
I somewhat agree, however I believe there's more to it. I think GM relies
too heavily on support from the older crowd who knew the original GTO. The
current GTO is a spectacular car with a world class chassis built by an
enthusiastic arm of GM who truly understands high performance, rear wheel
drive cars. The power plant is that GM blend of high/low tech that works
well. I've seen a supercharged GTO and it's performance is outstanding.
Everyhting is in there for a great, well performing automobile. The current
GTO absolutely crushes any of the original versions in all categories. I'm
going to include looks as well since the A-body, at the time it was new, was
pretty blah, even with color, cladding, and badging. It took 20 years for
them to become cool looking and asthetic to most folks I know.
But, so far, I haven't seen GM pushing this car to the newer, younger
audience that would appreciate those qualities. The older Goat lovers are
just like the older Mustang lovers, they don't want better performance,
better quality, better everything. They want their old car back. GM needs to
suck it up and build a new legend out of this car. Perhaps the prcing
strategy ruined the process, I dunno. Looks can be fixed and the next gen
will have the LS2 in it at 400 bhp, so if they can just stop trying to get
old fogies to give up their dreams of the past, they might get it done.
Ford went through the exact same thing with the Mustang: twice. Fortunately
for Ford the sheer number of enthusiasts and a decent combination of
features and pricing allowed the changes to be accecpted in high enough
quantity to allow the car keep making it over the hump. There just are not,
and never were, that high a number of younger, impressionable GTO
enthusiasts.
I'd own one. I have a bias against the old school tech in the motor but for
the chassis and suspension I might overlook it. I'd certainly step into a
new GTO before I spent a dime on a 'Vette.

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