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Whats the Cost of '05 Saleen S281SC fully Loaded?
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noirluispher - 22 Nov 2004 12:30 GMT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ '03 FLHRCI USSF SINCE '92 "DE OPPRESSO LIBRE" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
SVTKate - 22 Nov 2004 12:47 GMT If you have to ask, chances are, you can't afford it.
Why don't you ask THEM!!!???
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| ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | '03 FLHRCI | USSF SINCE '92 | "DE OPPRESSO LIBRE" | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ noirluispher - 22 Nov 2004 13:39 GMT >If you have to ask, chances are, you can't afford it. > >Why don't you ask THEM!!!??? Sheesh Kate, kind of harsh?
I did ask the local dealer, but the salesman just took my information and said that the owner will call me. That was 3 days ago. When I do make up main to get one, I won't buy from him.
BTW, In my line of work (US Army) they are giving us a rather large stipend, to prevent us from retiring and going to IRAQ to make upwards of $200K a year as a contractor.
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noirluispher - 22 Nov 2004 13:41 GMT >>If you have to ask, chances are, you can't afford it. >> >>Why don't you ask THEM!!!??? Sheesh Kate, kind of harsh?
I did ask the local dealer, but the salesman just took my information and said that the owner will call me. That was 3 days ago. When I do make up my mind to get one, I won't buy from him.
BTW, In my line of work (US Army) they are giving us a rather large stipend, to prevent us from retiring and going to IRAQ to make upwards of $200K a year as a contractor.
Thanks for you fast response.
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noirluispher - 22 Nov 2004 13:42 GMT >>If you have to ask, chances are, you can't afford it. >> >>Why don't you ask THEM!!!??? Sheesh Kate, kind of harsh?
I did ask the local dealer, but the salesman just took my information and said that the owner will call me. That was 3 days ago. When I do make up my mind to get one, I won't buy from him.
BTW, In my line of work (US Army) they are giving us a rather large stipend, to prevent us from retiring and going to IRAQ to make upwards of $200K a year as a contractor.
Thanks for you fast response.
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Hank - 24 Nov 2004 00:47 GMT > BTW, In my line of work (US Army) they are giving us a rather large > stipend, to prevent us from retiring and going to IRAQ to make upwards > of $200K a year as a contractor. Great, Iraqi's are out of work and desperate, so Bush is using our tax dollars to pay foreigners obscene amounts of money to do what Iraqis would love to do for a tiny fraction of the price. No wonder so many Iraqis are joining the resistance and no wonder Bush has broken his daddy's record for deficit spending.
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The Rebel - 24 Nov 2004 15:51 GMT Yer pissing in the wind - so go to alt.antiamerican.fucktards.suck.michael.moore
>> BTW, In my line of work (US Army) they are giving us a rather large >> stipend, to prevent us from retiring and going to IRAQ to make upwards [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > http://costofwar.com Hank - 25 Nov 2004 02:04 GMT > Yer pissing in the wind - so go to > alt.antiamerican.fucktards.suck.michael.moore You're a gullible sheep, not a rebel. Turn off Faux news and do some reading.
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Brent P - 24 Nov 2004 17:18 GMT > BTW, In my line of work (US Army) they are giving us a rather large > stipend, to prevent us from retiring and going to IRAQ to make upwards > of $200K a year as a contractor. The cheaper method would be to stop using contractors. Of course then the powers that be wouldn't get the money....
Backyard Mechanic - 22 Nov 2004 13:58 GMT >>If you have to ask, chances are, you can't afford it. >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > stipend, to prevent us from retiring and going to IRAQ to make upwards > of $200K a year as a contractor. But WAIT a minute... that isnt harsh. It's the truth.
Perhaps you should contact Saleen before you're too harsh on the dealer.
Since the model is new, there's a good chance the final figures havent yet been set.
Thank you for serving our country, BTW!
noirluispher - 22 Nov 2004 14:09 GMT >>>If you have to ask, chances are, you can't afford it. >>> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >Thank you for serving our country, BTW Good advice, I will do that now. And then post what they tell me. Thank you.
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noirluispher - 22 Nov 2004 14:17 GMT >>Perhaps you should contact Saleen before you're too harsh on the dealer. That didn't work out so well. Saleens' website sends the email to a dealer within my state., But I sent it to one different then who I spoke on the phone with.
>>Thank you for serving our country, BTW No problem, I have been doing it for 18 years and it is always refreshing to be appreciated.
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SVTKate - 22 Nov 2004 22:04 GMT All the money in the world isn't worth going over there.
I mean, ask the Saleen folks. Yup, kind of harsh, but geeze, if you know me from the group, you'll see that I am a tell it like I see it (even if it's wrong sometimes) kind of person. How else would you find something like this out and know that you had a reliable source? The dealer is going to rake you over the coals on markup so why not go straight to the horses mouth?
Ok ok.. sorry if I sounded mean. Anyway... retire and/or get out. Keep yourself in one piece and forget the damn car.
Kate
| >If you have to ask, chances are, you can't afford it. | > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] | "DE OPPRESSO LIBRE" | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ IamGoode - 24 Nov 2004 01:19 GMT Not to change the subject, but what kind of advice is retire or get out? Here we have a person defending our way of life wether he agrees with the policies or not he stands tall on the front line so you sleep well at night! We pay Americans well to do those jobs because the Iraqi's currently do not have the skills required to perform the task. I read an article today out of some car mag at the barber shop, very vague and no pricing ideas... I suspect no one except the biggest dealers are even thinking about prices on the saleens. I did see a saleen super charger add though..
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SVTKate - 24 Nov 2004 14:02 GMT I'm a mom. I think like a mom.
My first thought was that he has already served and survived and that no amount of money would be worth pushing his luck too far.
Both my father and step father served in the military, as did my grandfather. I have two older brothers that served in Viet Nam and miraculously returned home. I have two boys that are like sons to me (Kristen's step brothers) one serving in the Navy and the other in USMC right now. Their dad, my ex husband, was a Marine.
Why did I say get out...??? Because I thought of the people close to me that I worried about while they served. I worry about the people in our military that are serving right now in this stupid war. A war that I think we have no business in. A war that makes soldiers punishable for killing an enemy because the enemy was wounded. A war that makes it punishable to humiliate an enemy soldier. It's a bullshit war. You cannot be politically correct and be at war. Our military personnel are being lost, over and over and I still have trouble understanding why we are still over there.
I believe that serving this country is one of the most honorable things a person can do but the mom in me says once you've done your hitch, get the hell out so you can rejoin your family.
Sorry if I offended, and I most certainly did not mean any disrespect to the gentleman that posted the original message nor to anyone else.
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| Not to change the subject, but what kind of advice is retire or get out? Here | we have a person defending our way of life wether he agrees with the policies [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] | | rec.bicycles.marketplace IamGoode - 25 Nov 2004 00:26 GMT Thanks for your honesty, my little brother is there now, I've been twice... I went within 10 months of joining the AF... That was about 15 years ago now and I'm still in.
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SVTKate - 25 Nov 2004 01:56 GMT Hey Sean, keep safe, ok?
Kate
| Thanks for your honesty, my little brother is there now, I've been twice... I | went within 10 months of joining the AF... That was about 15 years ago now and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] | | rec.bicycles.marketplace Hank - 25 Nov 2004 01:59 GMT > Here we have a person defending our way of life wether > he agrees with the policies or not he stands tall on the > front line so you sleep well at night! I'd love to see an explanation of how invading Iraq is defending anyone or anything in the U.S. other than the obscene profits and wealth of the corporate oil and weapons cartel. It's a diversion from the fight against terrorism, and it's costing us a fortune. It's also creating thousands of new enemies. Bush is creating many new enemies of the U.S. with every Iraqi he kills and every Iraqi home or family he destroys.
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IamGoode - 25 Nov 2004 18:06 GMT Take the fight to the enemy, or wait for the enemy to come to you... I guess you'll stand by and wait for the enemy to come to you... I'll take the fight to the enemy. Call it a diversion if you like, I think I might too. In this case it's a diversion for the terrorist as they all refocus thier energy on fighting us in Iraq. Every day they are tied up over there is another day you are safe here. And I'm feeling really bad about the crushed Iraqi families, if they are combatants, insurgents or freedom fighters they died for their cause. I would talk to the sept 11 families and count up the combatants in that group. Most were civilians. I guess we'll continue to fight for your right to voice your opinion. Sean
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Hank - 27 Nov 2004 21:50 GMT > Take the fight to the enemy, or wait for the enemy to come to you... Iraqi's weren't our enemies, and they weren't coming to us. Are you one of the silly fools who "thinks" Iraq was behind 9-11?
> I guess we'll continue to fight for your right to voice your > opinion. Not by supporting the anti-American, anti-freedom policies of the Bush regime. That criminal, treasonous regime has revoked more of our rights than any in our history.
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"One of the things we don't want to do is destroy the infrastructure in Iraq because in a few days we're going to own that country," - Tom Brokaw
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IamGoode - 27 Nov 2004 22:39 GMT Iraqi's weren't our enemies? Are you 12? Did you miss the entire first gulf war? Ok, I agree, they were not on the "A" list when we started our seach for Osama, but the borders over there are so pourus it really doesn't matter where you are from, what matters is where you are, turns out there are a lot of bad guys in Iraq, although most are not from Iraq. If you go back in history (last 100 yrs) I think the only times we were considered "friendly" to Iraq was when they were at war with Russia and we were helping them. Otherwise they never cared for us.
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Hank - 30 Nov 2004 02:06 GMT > Iraqi's weren't our enemies? Are you 12? Did you miss the > entire first gulf war? You're living in the past. That was over a decade ago, and at the time, daddy bu$h told his good friend and ally, Hussein that the U.S. had no opinion in Iraq's dispute with Kuwait - do what you want. so Hussein did what daddy bu$h did in Panama - he resorted to death and destruction. When bu$h junior started his illegal, immoral, and globally condemned terror attack, Iraq was no threat to the U.S. or its neighbors. That's one reason why Iraq's neighbors didn't support bu$h's invasion.
> If you go back in history (last 100 yrs) I think the only times we were > considered "friendly" to Iraq was when they were at war with Russia and > we were helping them. LOL. When do you imagine this took place? See, this is the sort of complete idiocy and ignorance that causes people to believe bu$h's endless lies, and support his terrorism and war crimes. Iraq was at war with Russia, eh? Do tell. <chuckle> Fact is, Hussein was very close with the Reagan/bu$h regime, and they gave him billions of dollars in U.S. tax payer loans, and they supported and encouraged his deadly, brutal war with Iran. They also sold Hussein WMD technology.
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"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and I really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." -- George W. Bush, March 13, 2002
"I think this is the worst government the US has ever had in its more than 200 years of history. It has engaged in extraordinarily irresponsible policies not only in foreign policy and economics but also in social and environmental policy.....This is not normal government policy. Now is the time for people to engage in civil disobedience. I think it's time to protest - as much as possible....What we have here is a form of looting." - George A. Akerlof, 2001 Nobel prize laureate economist
"One of the things we don't want to do is destroy the infrastructure in Iraq because in a few days we're going to own that country," - Tom Brokaw
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Alan Chapman - 29 Nov 2004 04:38 GMT > I'd love to see an explanation of how invading Iraq > is defending anyone or anything in the U.S. other than [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > of the U.S. with every Iraqi he kills and every Iraqi home > or family he destroys. Its people like you who are creating new enemies for the US because you refuse to back our president and our country because you believe all the liberal Bush hating crap. If we stood united as a country Iraq would not be the mess it is. They know thay can't beat us militarily but they also know there are many weak Americans back home who can't stomach war and will win the war for them if they give the liberal media enough time to keep turning opinions against us. Just like Vietnam.
Don't bother with the war for oil crap. All your liberal heroes including Bill Clinton, John Kerry, and even Al Gore said Iraq had WMD so don't try the Bush lied people died crap either. Saddam would have gladly given WMD to Bin Laden or whatever terrorist de jour. It was the right thing to do to take him out. He never abided by the cease fire agreement of the first Gulf war so just think of this one as a resumption of hostilities. If the UN, Germany, and Russia hadn't been in bed with Saddam with the oil for food scandal or their own lucrative contracts they would have come with us. France wouldn't have because they are so jealous of us being the sole superpower they will be against us just to be against us. Those countries are the morally decrepit ones in the Iraq situation, not us. You don't know leadership when you see it, you are blinded by hate.
Alan
Hank - 30 Nov 2004 02:03 GMT > "Hank" <hhh3@cornell.edu> wrote i
> > I'd love to see an explanation of how invading Iraq > > is defending anyone or anything in the U.S. other than [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > of the U.S. with every Iraqi he kills and every Iraqi home > > or family he destroys.
> Its people like you who are creating new enemies for the US because you > refuse to back our president and our country because you believe all the > liberal Bush hating crap. Spoken like a true Nazi. Your ignorance, your sheep mentality, and your support for the Bush regime's lies, tax payer theft, mass murder, torture, war crimes, and terrorism is destroying our country. And of course, you're unable to explain how Bush's illegal, immoral, and globally condemned terror attack on the innocent people of Iraq is defending our country. That's because it isn't.
> If we stood united as a country Iraq would not be > the mess it is. Yeah sure. If only we all supported Bush's lies, war crimes, and terrorism, there'd be music and dancing in the streets of Iraq, and all the unemployed Iraqis whose homes were destroyed, and whose friends and family members had been killed or imprisoned without charge would be handing out flowers to the foreign invaders. Did you ever wish you had a working mind, and weren't so incredibly gullible and clueless?
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"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and I really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." -- George W. Bush, March 13, 2002
"I think this is the worst government the US has ever had in its more than 200 years of history. It has engaged in extraordinarily irresponsible policies not only in foreign policy and economics but also in social and environmental policy.....This is not normal government policy. Now is the time for people to engage in civil disobedience. I think it's time to protest - as much as possible....What we have here is a form of looting." - George A. Akerlof, 2001 Nobel prize laureate economist
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Alan Chapman - 30 Nov 2004 13:54 GMT > > "Hank" <hhh3@cornell.edu> wrote i > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > and globally condemned terror attack on the innocent people of Iraq is > defending our country. That's because it isn't. Yes I did. Like I said, you're blind. I noticed you convieniently snipped that part of my message out of your response.
> > If we stood united as a country Iraq would not be > > the mess it is. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Did you ever wish you had a working mind, and weren't so incredibly > gullible and clueless? They did welcome us, yes, even with flowers. You refuse to see the truth and nothing anyone says is going to change your mind. All you can do is resort to insults which is so typical of your kind. Please take your hate to one of the political newsgroups and quit polluting this one. I'm not wasting any more of my time on you.
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