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Say I take a Vette, that costs $45,000 when new. Then I take a Mustang GT, that costs $27,000. Then I put $18,000 into the Mustang. Which is now the better car? -Rich > Say I take a Vette, that costs $45,000 when new. > Then I take a Mustang GT, that costs $27,000. > Then I put $18,000 into the Mustang. > Which is now the better car? > -Rich "Better" is such a subjective term... How about you put the 18 grand into the bank instead, and enjoy both cars on their own merits?  Signature/ Garth - '83 GL V6stang Hatch <Former MW #7> \ | My V6stang: http://www.v6stang.com/v6stang | | RAMFM Merchandise: http://www.cafeshops.com/ramfm | \ Mail pgp@v6stang.com for secure reply information / >Say I take a Vette, that costs $45,000 when new. >Then I take a Mustang GT, that costs $27,000. >Then I put $18,000 into the Mustang. >Which is now the better car? >-Rich The Vette, because you didn't have to stick 18k into it. Personally I would buy the Mustang and bank the 18K and then drive it like I stole it. Signature"Either kill me or take me as I am, because I'll be damned if I ever change..." The Marquis de Sade Sorry, but you are trolling. You *know* there was a huge argument in a different thread about this specifically. Bad Rich!! =( -Mike -- A happy kid behind the wheel of a 98 Mustang GT Cold air intake FRPP 3.73 gears Steeda Tri-Ax Shifter Flowmaster 40 Series mufflers (self-installed woohoo) Hi-speed fan switch 255/60R-15 rear tires Subframe connectors Aluminum adjustable clutch quadrant > Say I take a Vette, that costs $45,000 when new. > Then I take a Mustang GT, that costs $27,000. > Then I put $18,000 into the Mustang. > Which is now the better car? > -Rich >Sorry, but you are trolling. You *know* there was a huge argument in a >different thread about this specifically. Bad Rich!! =( > >-Mike Not really. I didn't follow the other thread. But what I've seen people do with Mustangs with relatively little money (compared to the prices of cars that are "better" initially) impresses me. The idea that "the Vette is a better car to begin with" is true, but then where do you stop? A 911 is a better car still... Maybe I should have phrased it; "Give me a $50,000 Vette and a Mustang GT and only $10,000 ($8000 less than a Vette) and then see which car is better." I'd have $8000 to put "in the bank" as two posters suggested and still a subjectively better car than the Vette. -Rich Yea, but the new Vette is just SOOooooooo easy on the eyes. | >Sorry, but you are trolling. You *know* there was a huge argument in a | >different thread about this specifically. Bad Rich!! =( [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] | the Vette. | -Rich "SVTKate" <whoever@whatever.complaint.dept> wrote in news:FKfLd.3042 $S3.1580@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net: > Yea, but the new Vette is just SOOooooooo easy on the eyes. I don't like it myself. I miss flip lights. It looks too much like a Viper You're talking the new Vette vs the New Mustang. If someone offered me the choice between the two modded as you wrote here... damn... I'd have to take the Vette. Kate | Say I take a Vette, that costs $45,000 when new. | Then I take a Mustang GT, that costs $27,000. | Then I put $18,000 into the Mustang. | Which is now the better car? | -Rich RichA <none@none.com> wrote in news:i1cov0ha8hmsfhr8gonsujfj5i8gakd6g4 @4ax.com: > Say I take a Vette, that costs $45,000 when new. > Then I take a Mustang GT, that costs $27,000. > Then I put $18,000 into the Mustang. > Which is now the better car? > -Rich If you put the $18,000 cash into the Mustang's glove box, I'd have to say the Mustang. Joe Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC > If you put the $18,000 cash into the Mustang's glove box, I'd have to > say the Mustang. Dang, _that_ kind of incentive makes a GTO look good! ;) -- John C. '03 Cobra Convt. > Say I take a Vette, that costs $45,000 when new. > Then I take a Mustang GT, that costs $27,000. > Then I put $18,000 into the Mustang. > Which is now the better car? > -Rich Try and get that $18k back out of the Mustang when you try and sell it. The Vette would be a better investment and a better performing car for the money spent. Now I just need to figure out whether you're a troll since you have also authored a thread about GM going into bankruptcy. Seems to be too loony a post to take you very seriously. >> Say I take a Vette, that costs $45,000 when new. >> Then I take a Mustang GT, that costs $27,000. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > The Vette would be a better investment and a better performing car for >the money spent. Investment? A modern car? That is a laugh. If I want an investment I'll spend the $50,000 on a Hemi Chrysler (1964-1971). >Now I just need to figure out whether you're a troll since you have also >authored a thread about GM going into bankruptcy. Seems to be too loony >a post to take you very seriously. Rumours abound. How else to determine authenticity unless you ask? -Rich >>>Say I take a Vette, that costs $45,000 when new. >>>Then I take a Mustang GT, that costs $27,000. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Investment? A modern car? That is a laugh. If I want an investment > I'll spend the $50,000 on a Hemi Chrysler (1964-1971). Take a 2005 Mustang and add $18k worth of modifications, drive it for two years and then try and sell it for more than $20k-$25k. The Vette will be worth much more than that from a resale value after two years. Now do you get my point or do I need to draw you a picture? >>Now I just need to figure out whether you're a troll since you have also >>authored a thread about GM going into bankruptcy. Seems to be too loony >>a post to take you very seriously. > > Rumours abound. How else to determine authenticity unless you ask? I'll make up my own mind by observing your actions. > -Rich >>>>Say I take a Vette, that costs $45,000 when new. >>>>Then I take a Mustang GT, that costs $27,000. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > will be worth much more than that from a resale value after two years. > Now do you get my point or do I need to draw you a picture? Depends. I never buy a car to sell. I think that is a very moot point. If i put 18k into a car for performance upgrades, i amkeeping it till the bloody thing falls apart, or i die >>>>>Say I take a Vette, that costs $45,000 when new. >>>>>Then I take a Mustang GT, that costs $27,000. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > If i put 18k into a car for performance upgrades, i amkeeping it till the > bloody thing falls apart, or i die I have one of those parked in my garage. ;) >>>>>>Say I take a Vette, that costs $45,000 when new. >>>>>>Then I take a Mustang GT, that costs $27,000. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > >I have one of those parked in my garage. ;) Me too, although I really wouldn't call it "Parked" Signature"Either kill me or take me as I am, because I'll be damned if I ever change..." The Marquis de Sade >>>>>>>Say I take a Vette, that costs $45,000 when new. >>>>>>>Then I take a Mustang GT, that costs $27,000. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Me too, although I really wouldn't call it "Parked" Unfortunately mine is parked. It runs but is way down on power and I haven't had the time or will power to diagnose the problem. I plan to retire the blower and install a 427W in it so that is one reason I don't want to spend too much time on it. >>>>>>>>Say I take a Vette, that costs $45,000 when new. >>>>>>>>Then I take a Mustang GT, that costs $27,000. [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >retire the blower and install a 427W in it so that is one reason I don't >want to spend too much time on it. Well mine will; run too. I actually got a wild air up my a.s and fired it up on the engine stand. One of these days it will get back in the frame, when I finish it that is. Signature"Either kill me or take me as I am, because I'll be damned if I ever change..." The Marquis de Sade >> Take a 2005 Mustang and add $18k worth of modifications, drive it for >> two years and then try and sell it for more than $20k-$25k. The Vette [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >If i put 18k into a car for performance upgrades, i amkeeping it till the >bloody thing falls apart, or i die Here's hoping you never lose your job, have your car stolen, or suffer any number of other unexpected events which will leave you with a car where you spent/owe more on it than you could sell it for/recover in an insurance settlement. SignatureFriends don't let friends shop at Best Buy (except to buy loss leaders for resale on eBay). (See http://tinyurl.com/6efhd) On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 16:50:42 -0800, Scott en Aztlán <slothkills@NOyahooSPAM.com> wrote something wonderfully witty: >>> Take a 2005 Mustang and add $18k worth of modifications, drive it for >>> two years and then try and sell it for more than $20k-$25k. The Vette [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >where you spent/owe more on it than you could sell it for/recover in >an insurance settlement. That is why there is this wonderful thing nowadays called gap insurance. Back in the day people used to put enough down on a car and only finance it for 36-months so they were rarely if ever upside in a vehicle. Nowadays almost everyone who finances is upside-down on the day they drive off the lot. Hence, step in good old gap insurance. Signature"Maybe worshiping the cross and the painful death rather than the well lived life really has distorted our sense of who we are and what life is about." -- Author unkown >>>> Take a 2005 Mustang and add $18k worth of modifications, drive it for >>>> two years and then try and sell it for more than $20k-$25k. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >That is why there is this wonderful thing nowadays called gap >insurance. Gap insurance only covers the difference between what you owe on your car and what your insurance company gives you on your claim. It will NOT cover the $18,000 in performance upgrades (for which you paid cash). SignatureFriends don't let friends shop at Best Buy (except to buy loss leaders for resale on eBay). (See http://tinyurl.com/6efhd) On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 19:47:53 -0800, Scott en Aztlán <slothkills@NOyahooSPAM.com> wrote something wonderfully witty: >>>>> Take a 2005 Mustang and add $18k worth of modifications, drive it for >>>>> two years and then try and sell it for more than $20k-$25k. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >NOT cover the $18,000 in performance upgrades (for which you paid >cash). I was speaking to the "owe" portion of the equation. Dumping 18k in performance parts is nothing different to the thousands of dollars worth of stereo equipment some people dumb into their cars when it comes to theft or other complete loss scenarios. Anyone who dumps 18k CASH into his/her car isn't going to have to worry about making the payments now are they? Signature"Maybe worshiping the cross and the painful death rather than the well lived life really has distorted our sense of who we are and what life is about." -- Author unkown >>>>>Depends. I never buy a car to sell. I think that is a very moot point. >>>>>If i put 18k into a car for performance upgrades, i amkeeping it till the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> >I was speaking to the "owe" portion of the equation. That's fine, but you'll still be faced with an $18,000 loss. >Dumping 18k in >performance parts is nothing different to the thousands of dollars >worth of stereo equipment some people dumb into their cars Freudian slip? >when it >comes to theft or other complete loss scenarios. Anyone who dumps 18k >CASH into his/her car isn't going to have to worry about making the >payments now are they? Actually, that $18,000 worth of upgrades was undoubtedly financed using high-interest credit cards. SignatureWhen are you people going to wake up to the fact that rebates are a SCAM? >>>>>Say I take a Vette, that costs $45,000 when new. >>>>>Then I take a Mustang GT, that costs $27,000. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >If i put 18k into a car for performance upgrades, i amkeeping it till the >bloody thing falls apart, or i die True, buying a car as an investment is foolish. The onyl ones that it would be somewhat interesting for is limited production cars like the Ford GT, plus you can't drive them. Park and look at it. What fun is that ? Remove NO-SPAM from email address when replying Well, if , by "better" you mean "faster" then why not just put 18k into a 72 Nova or something ?? "Better car" encompasses a LOT more than horsepower, or speed. If you like the lines, stance, interior, etc of a Corvett then no amount of money will likely make you think a Mustang is "better" OTOH there are many folks that think it's ALREADY a better car than a Vette. Personally, I LOVE my Mustang, and it's been a great car. I'd like to have an '05 too, and likely will some day. OTOH, I love Vettes too! I've owned a few in the past, and had lots of fun with them. I think the C6 is a BEAUTIFUL car, and, although I hate to admit it HERE, if you offered me an 05 Vette STOCK, and an 05 Mustang with a supercharger, and handling mods, I'd snatch that little bowtie beauty up in a HEARTBEAT ! ! ! > Say I take a Vette, that costs $45,000 when new. > Then I take a Mustang GT, that costs $27,000. > Then I put $18,000 into the Mustang. > Which is now the better car? > -Rich | Well, if , by "better" you mean "faster" then why not just put 18k into a 72 | Nova or something ?? [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] | supercharger, and handling mods, I'd snatch that little bowtie beauty up | in a HEARTBEAT ! ! ! I agree with you 100%. First time I saw one I nearly broke my neck looking at it as it went by on the transport truck. Damn! Why couldn't I have been born rich. Kate >Well, if , by "better" you mean "faster" then why not just put 18k into a 72 >Nova or something ?? [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >supercharger, and handling mods, I'd snatch that little bowtie beauty up >in a HEARTBEAT ! ! ! *Which* little beauty would you snatch up? I'm 60 years old. I could have bought a 'Vette. I bought a yellow '05 GT. Why? 'Cause the GT turned something in my gut that the 'vette didn't. In the first three weeks I had the GT more than a dozen people have high signed or commented on my beautiful car out on the road. I've never thought of doing that to a 'vette driver. Maybe 'vette owners get a lot of thumbs-up also, but I'll bet it's from other 'vette owners. Have to do a study on that some day. John H On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD, on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes >>Well, if , by "better" you mean "faster" then why not just put 18k into a 72 >>Nova or something ?? [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > >John H Hmmm, money not an issue and offered either with my choices of options? Guess I would have to go with the `05 Vette. Gotta do it. Although my `95 Vette is competition yellow and I love my sporting cars in yellow, I might just have to go with that new Daytona Sunset Orange Metallic on the `05 Vette. And of course I can get it as a drop-top with HUD and all the other goodies if money wasn't an issue, but alas it is. So no new Vette in my immediate future, but when that last youngin get's out of college in four years who knows. Might end up with a garage full of choices every morning. Got any idea what four years of tuition will buy you in the car market nowadays? Now multiply that times two and you'll know why a GT is my only option at this time. Signature"Either kill me or take me as I am, because I'll be damned if I ever change..." The Marquis de Sade >I'm 60 years old. I could have bought a 'Vette. I bought a yellow '05 >GT. Why? 'Cause the GT turned something in my gut that the 'vette >didn't. Hmm... Not quite the phrasing I would use, but to each his own. ;) >In the first three weeks I had the GT more than a dozen people have >high signed or commented on my beautiful car out on the road. I've >never thought of doing that to a 'vette driver. Maybe 'vette owners >get a lot of thumbs-up also, but I'll bet it's from other 'vette >owners. Have to do a study on that some day. Let's see... On the day I drove my C6 home from the dealership, some guy in an S2000 zoomed up next to me, then slowed down to drool. The next day, the car was parked in a strip mall parking lot, and some guy was hovering around it, peering inside and slobbering on the glass. Does that answer your question? :) SignatureFriends don't let friends shop at Best Buy (except to buy loss leaders for resale on eBay). (See http://tinyurl.com/6efhd) Sorry, but you won't see me do that. I like Corvettes & all... but I won't even go that far. Maybe for an 03/04 SVT Cobra I'll stop to see it & BS with the owner & compliment the car... but I"ll never "zoom up" & "drool" haha. But I bet a lot of ppl would for a C6! Or an 03/04 Cobra! Nobody zooms up to see my poor car haha. -Mike -- A happy kid behind the wheel of a 98 Mustang GT Cold air intake FRPP 3.73 gears Steeda Tri-Ax Shifter Flowmaster 40 Series mufflers (self-installed woohoo) Hi-speed fan switch 255/60R-15 rear tires Subframe connectors Aluminum adjustable clutch quadrant > >I'm 60 years old. I could have bought a 'Vette. I bought a yellow '05 > >GT. Why? 'Cause the GT turned something in my gut that the 'vette [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Friends don't let friends shop at Best Buy (except to buy loss leaders for resale on eBay). > (See http://tinyurl.com/6efhd) On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 10:03:29 -0800, Scott en Aztlán <slothkills@NOyahooSPAM.com> wrote: >>I'm 60 years old. I could have bought a 'Vette. I bought a yellow '05 >>GT. Why? 'Cause the GT turned something in my gut that the 'vette [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Does that answer your question? :) I'll add your input to my study! John H On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD, on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes >>I'm 60 years old. I could have bought a 'Vette. I bought a yellow '05 >>GT. Why? 'Cause the GT turned something in my gut that the 'vette [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Does that answer your question? :) "Guys" "drool" over cars? You all gotta get a life. And maybe a woman too. Brad I need a woman..... and a life! f.ck I am working 24/7 =(. *Slobbers on Brad* take that! -Mike -- A happy kid behind the wheel of a 98 Mustang GT Cold air intake FRPP 3.73 gears Steeda Tri-Ax Shifter Flowmaster 40 Series mufflers (self-installed woohoo) Hi-speed fan switch 255/60R-15 rear tires Subframe connectors Aluminum adjustable clutch quadrant > >>I'm 60 years old. I could have bought a 'Vette. I bought a yellow '05 > >>GT. Why? 'Cause the GT turned something in my gut that the 'vette [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Brad On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 10:03:29 -0800, Scott en Aztlán <slothkills@NOyahooSPAM.com> wrote: >>I'm 60 years old. I could have bought a 'Vette. I bought a yellow '05 >>GT. Why? 'Cause the GT turned something in my gut that the 'vette [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >next day, the car was parked in a strip mall parking lot, and some guy >was hovering around it, peering inside and slobbering on the glass. I'd say any new car will get that. The new Mustang gets that too. Hell, my 03 Cobra STILL gets that. People drive by sticking their thumbs up. People asking questions at gas-stations. Tell you the truth, I have to point out to friends that that is the new vette, it isn't THAT different from the C5. The new Mustang however... >Does that answer your question? :) Remove NO-SPAM from email address when replying >>Let's see... On the day I drove my C6 home from the dealership, some >>guy in an S2000 zoomed up next to me, then slowed down to drool. The >>next day, the car was parked in a strip mall parking lot, and some guy >>was hovering around it, peering inside and slobbering on the glass. > >I'd say any new car will get that. That never happened with either of the new Cobras I owned, including my Yo! Officer!! Yellow '03 Cobra convertible. >Tell you the truth, I have to point out to friends that that is the >new vette, it isn't THAT different from the C5. You obviously haven't driven one, or even sat inside one. ;) SignatureWhen are you people going to wake up to the fact that rebates are a SCAM? On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 06:56:26 -0800, Scott en Aztlán <slothkills@NOyahooSPAM.com> wrote: >>>Let's see... On the day I drove my C6 home from the dealership, some >>>guy in an S2000 zoomed up next to me, then slowed down to drool. The [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >That never happened with either of the new Cobras I owned, including >my Yo! Officer!! Yellow '03 Cobra convertible. hehe, Same here. Yesterday a 94-ish thunderbird passed me and I looked inside. The guy stuck his thumb up. I DO love my 03 Cobra ! >>Tell you the truth, I have to point out to friends that that is the >>new vette, it isn't THAT different from the C5. > >You obviously haven't driven one, or even sat inside one. ;) Nope. none of the dealers have them in stock. I Was told they sell them as soon as they get them in. But, I got some invitation for a cheby day at the local racetrack where they CLAIM I can drive the new vette. We'll see. Remove NO-SPAM from email address when replying On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 06:56:26 -0800, Scott en Aztlán <slothkills@NOyahooSPAM.com> wrote: >>>Let's see... On the day I drove my C6 home from the dealership, some >>>guy in an S2000 zoomed up next to me, then slowed down to drool. The [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >That never happened with either of the new Cobras I owned, including >my Yo! Officer!! Yellow '03 Cobra convertible. A guy engaged me in conversation at a video store (much to the chagrin of his wife) drooling over how amazing looking my dark blue 2001 GT was. Just to bug his wife, I told him he could get one for a decent monthly price 'cause Ford had them on special! -Rich >Well, if , by "better" you mean "faster" then why not just put 18k into a 72 >Nova or something ?? > >"Better car" encompasses a LOT more than horsepower, or speed. Did I say that it didn't? -Rich Yeah, even though I'm a "Mustang guy," I have to make the argument that higher dollar items tend to be higher quality and throwing money at a lower quality item may not be the best idea DEPENDING on what you want in the end. If you are going for pure horsepower then yeah, sure, put $18K into an 05 Mustang GT and wow! Fast & fun. Not much different comparison than if you buy a Civic and put tons of money into it vs. buying something that comes stock prepared to go fast (Mustang GT). But would I take the Vette? No. I'm not a "Vette guy," hehe :) If I had that kind of money to spend on a car I might buy the highest end convertible Audi I could get. But alll that aside, this "Mustang guy" is drooling over the 05 GT convertible and scheming as to how I can get one this Summer! Scott 96 GT Convertible 3.73 gears > Say I take a Vette, that costs $45,000 when new. > Then I take a Mustang GT, that costs $27,000. > Then I put $18,000 into the Mustang. > Which is now the better car? > -Rich >Yeah, even though I'm a "Mustang guy," I have to make the argument that >higher dollar items tend to be higher quality and throwing money at a lower [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >kind of money to spend on a car I might buy the highest end convertible Audi >I could get. Tell you the truth, the quality of a vette isn't all that great. I've driven the C5 extensively and the quality really isn't that much better than a mustang. >But alll that aside, this "Mustang guy" is drooling over the 05 GT >convertible and scheming as to how I can get one this Summer! [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> Which is now the better car? >> -Rich Remove NO-SPAM from email address when replying >>Yeah, even though I'm a "Mustang guy," I have to make the argument >>that higher dollar items tend to be higher quality and throwing [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > I've driven the C5 extensively and the quality really isn't that > much better than a mustang. So you're saying that the Corvette's build quality isn't all that great, but it's better than the Mustang's? IOW, the Mustang's build quality is worse than the so-so Corvette's? Joe Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC >>>Yeah, even though I'm a "Mustang guy," I have to make the argument >>>that higher dollar items tend to be higher quality and throwing [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >great, but it's better than the Mustang's? IOW, the Mustang's build >quality is worse than the so-so Corvette's? No, It's carefully saying that it doesn't look like a 50K sportscar. I see quality issues in a corvette that shouldn't. I don't have any long term experience with a corvette, but from what I have seen it's not all that great. The leather seats for example, There's not way in hell the will last long, and the seats in my 03 cobra will outlast them for sure. There are leaky window issues on this model.. The center console opening is weird and feels like it could break off anytime, The door/roof rubbers look like it won't hold up,etc etc. I can go on for a while. This is an 03 vette, with the same amount of miles as my 03 Cobra. Remove NO-SPAM from email address when replying |
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