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RichA - 20 Mar 2005 01:11 GMT
Supposedly, 450hp.  That's the latest claim.
-Rich
Joe - 20 Mar 2005 03:19 GMT
RichA <none@none.com> wrote in news:esfp315niifoefubekohqginouoc0ugfh6
@4ax.com:

> Supposedly, 450hp.  That's the latest claim.
> -Rich

Uh, sure.  Whatever.

Joe
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RichA - 20 Mar 2005 04:17 GMT
>RichA <none@none.com> wrote in news:esfp315niifoefubekohqginouoc0ugfh6
>@4ax.com:
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>
>Uh, sure.  Whatever.
http://www.mustangheaven.com/stangspecs/2007cobra/07cobra_main.htm
Joe - 20 Mar 2005 04:53 GMT
>>RichA <none@none.com> wrote in news:esfp315niifoefubekohqginouoc0ugfh6
>>@4ax.com:
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>>Uh, sure.  Whatever.
>  http://www.mustangheaven.com/stangspecs/2007cobra/07cobra_main.htm

You want to wait until '07 for some hypothetical product, be my guest.  
Whatever.

Joe
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Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC
memset@recorddeal.com - 20 Mar 2005 10:24 GMT
Would be cool... given the 03/04's were at ~425 I sure don't see 450 being a
problem. BUT.. I can only hope. I have heard both "yes there will be one"
and "no there won't be one".. so I don't necessarily EXPECT one, but I do
HOPE there is one at the LATEST 2007 model.

-Mike

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> Supposedly, 450hp.  That's the latest claim.
> -Rich
SVTKate - 20 Mar 2005 13:51 GMT
I think that when Ford announces it's intent, THEN it will be something to
be half assed believed.

| Would be cool... given the 03/04's were at ~425 I sure don't see 450 being a
| problem. BUT.. I can only hope. I have heard both "yes there will be one"
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| > Supposedly, 450hp.  That's the latest claim.
| > -Rich
RichA - 20 Mar 2005 21:08 GMT
>I think that when Ford announces it's intent, THEN it will be something to
>be half assed believed.
I know the Mustang itself is a cornerstone of Ford.
They'll sell something like 200,000 this year which will
be worth around $5 billion.  Ford also makes good profits
off them, especially when they charge 10%+ interest rates
when you lease a V8 from them directly.  But what was the
profitability of the SVT division?  Is boosting the number of models
the way to make it into something it isn't/wasn't right now?
-Rich
ZombyWoof - 20 Mar 2005 18:21 GMT
>Would be cool... given the 03/04's were at ~425 I sure don't see 450 being a
>problem. BUT.. I can only hope. I have heard both "yes there will be one"
>and "no there won't be one".. so I don't necessarily EXPECT one, but I do
>HOPE there is one at the LATEST 2007 model.
>
>-Mike

I'm sitting here thinking, which I know can be a dangerous thing to do
but I'm doing it anyhow.  With the current rise in gas prices and the
future outlook rather bleak for any relief that the decision to go
back to a four cylinder model maybe more forthcoming then any large
increases in HP and fuel consumption.
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Joe - 20 Mar 2005 19:04 GMT
at least large SUV sales are down.

http://money.cnn.com/2005/03/12/Autos/gas_prices.reut/

http://money.cnn.com/2004/05/17/pf/autos/suvs_gas/

> >Would be cool... given the 03/04's were at ~425 I sure don't see 450 being a
> >problem. BUT.. I can only hope. I have heard both "yes there will be one"
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> back to a four cylinder model maybe more forthcoming then any large
> increases in HP and fuel consumption.
Rein - 21 Mar 2005 03:51 GMT
>>Would be cool... given the 03/04's were at ~425 I sure don't see 450 being a
>>problem. BUT.. I can only hope. I have heard both "yes there will be one"
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>back to a four cylinder model maybe more forthcoming then any large
>increases in HP and fuel consumption.

Well, that does make sense, but the market seems to say differently.
Just look at all the high powered cars coming out right now.
Then again, it could all collapse at once and these cars would be
worthless except for some limited produced cars.
You'd find suv's rotting away in backyards. :-)
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ZombyWoof - 21 Mar 2005 06:08 GMT
>>>Would be cool... given the 03/04's were at ~425 I sure don't see 450 being a
>>>problem. BUT.. I can only hope. I have heard both "yes there will be one"
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>You'd find suv's rotting away in backyards. :-)
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It may be a pipeline thing.  Most of the currently released models
have been in R&D for a couple of years.  Takes a while for car makers
to react to market changes.  If you remember the 70's and what a
cluster f.ck that turned into.  Were are just beginning to again beat
the Japanese at the market we taught them.  Now the rules may be
changing again.  How has hybrids out there on the right now sipping as
gas?
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Chris Shea - 21 Mar 2005 22:13 GMT
i'll add to this rumor mill (and that of course is all it is at this
point).......

latest ive just heard:

- based on 5.0 cammer engine (4 valves)
- supercharged
- solid axle

sounds SWEET!

chris
04 comp orange cobra vert

RichA wrote in message ...
>Supposedly, 450hp.  That's the latest claim.
>-Rich
Brent P - 21 Mar 2005 23:31 GMT
> latest ive just heard:

> - solid axle

Ford refusing to give the cobra what it puts in a standard base model
family sedan in austrailia. figures.
RayS - 22 Mar 2005 02:01 GMT
There's supposed to be a version of the upcoming Cobra at next week's New
York auto show.  Should be interesting to see what they put out there.

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> Supposedly, 450hp.  That's the latest claim.
> -Rich
Tony Alonso - 22 Mar 2005 06:46 GMT
If you want to see a photo of it, take a look at the link in this forum
thread...
http://forums.bradbarnett.net/index.php?showtopic=19241

Supposedly (although we will know shortly after the introduction at a
media event on Wednesday, March 23, at 1:00pm EST) -

Whipplecharged 5.4L V8, 32 valves, DOHC - 450+hp (detuned version of
Ford GT engine)
solid axle
$40,000 (+/-)
7500 cars built

Another story may be found here...
http://www.nydailynews.com/business/story/291885p-249915c.html

>There's supposed to be a version of the upcoming Cobra at next week's New
>York auto show.  Should be interesting to see what they put out there.
>
>  
Brent P - 22 Mar 2005 16:55 GMT
> If you want to see a photo of it, take a look at the link in this forum
> thread...
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> $40,000 (+/-)
> 7500 cars built

I don't trust motor trendy.... but 7500 built.. so we are looking at what
50grand or more with dealer mark up as a 'collectable'.
Have fun bidding for them..
Tony Alonso - 22 Mar 2005 17:23 GMT
Oops, meant "NY Daily News" article...

Tony Alonso wrote:

> The 7500 number comes from the NY Times article...the other link is
> simply a Motor Trend magazine cover with a picture. I have not yet
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>>  
Tony Alonso - 22 Mar 2005 17:23 GMT
The 7500 number comes from the NY Times article...the other link is
simply a Motor Trend magazine cover with a picture. I have not yet seen
the Motor Trend article.

>  
>
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>
>  
Tony Alonso - 23 Mar 2005 06:20 GMT
According to Ford's media website, the block is cast iron, the heads,
pistons, and rings are from the Ford GT...

http://media.ford.com/products/presskit_display.cfm?vehicle_id=1269&press_subsec
tion_id=423&make_id=92


> The 7500 number comes from the NY Times article...the other link is
> simply a Motor Trend magazine cover with a picture. I have not yet
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>>
>>  
Joe - 22 Mar 2005 18:35 GMT
> In article <7jO%d.666$hl5.190@fe37.usenetserver.com>, Tony Alonso
> wrote:
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> what 50grand or more with dealer mark up as a 'collectable'.
> Have fun bidding for them..

Yep - it's the Cobra R all over again.

Joe
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Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC
RichA - 23 Mar 2005 01:43 GMT
>> If you want to see a photo of it, take a look at the link in this forum
>> thread...
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>50grand or more with dealer mark up as a 'collectable'.
>Have fun bidding for them..

I doubt they'll use the engine out of the GT.  How can they justify
$140,000 for a car then say it's engine is in a Mustang too?
Remember when Oldsmobile got upset because they revealed it's
V8 was in the Firebird many years ago?  Turns out, it was a mistake
because the Pontiac V8 that preceded it was a better engine anyway.
-Rich
ZombyWoof - 23 Mar 2005 08:36 GMT
>>> If you want to see a photo of it, take a look at the link in this forum
>>> thread...
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>because the Pontiac V8 that preceded it was a better engine anyway.
>-Rich

Seeehit, for the last few years of it's life the F-bodies shared the
exact same engine as the Corvette.  It did not hurt any of the three
vehicles sales one way or the other, but I do agree that no way is the
engine out of the GT going into the Cobra.  No freakin way.
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WraithCobra - 22 Mar 2005 19:58 GMT
It is NOT the GT motor. Different block, no dry sump system, ect...
Why does everyone assume that it's the GT motor just becuse it shares the
same displacement. Ford used a supercharged 5.4L in the Lightning and has
been using 5.4L blocks for years.
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> If you want to see a photo of it, take a look at the link in this
> forum thread...
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>> week's New York auto show.  Should be interesting to see what they
>> put out there.
 
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