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OT: GM is Taking a Whooping

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NoOption5L@aol.com - 21 Mar 2005 21:35 GMT
Here's a follow-up on the GTO thread.  This is why GM is hurting so
bad.

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GM Faces Q1 Red Ink by Joseph Szczesny (3/14/2005)

Plant shutdowns and closures are happening, but is it enough to rescue
GM sales?

General Motors said Wednesday that it will lose $855 million in the
first quarter and will earn as little as $600 million for the whole
year in 2005. That news prompted Wall Street analysts to initiate sell
orders on GM stock, driving shares down almost 14 percent to $29.06, a
new 52-week low and a level it hasn't seen in thirteen years.

GM is beset with further losses at the North American automotive
operation, and a market-share decline that is proving resistant to
higher incentives, new models, or marketing gimmicks. GM's market share
was down more than two points, compared with the same period a year
ago, through February to 24.9 percent - its lowest level since a strike
shut the company down in 1998. Making matters worse is the fact that
about one-third of that share is to rental-car companies and "program"
vehicles to employees, retirees, suppliers, and family members of all
three groups - sales that bring in little if any real profit. Each
one-percent drop in market share is worth about $1 billion in lost
profit.

GM said it now sees full-year earnings of about $1.00 to $2.00 per
share, excluding special items, down from its previous target of $4.00
to $5.00 a share.

"GM North America is, simply put, our 800-pound gorilla, and today's
announcement shows how important it is that we get this business
right," chairman and chief executive Rick Wagoner told analysts and
reporters on a conference call.

GM executives said it will have negative cash flow of about $2 billion
this year (versus the projected positive $2 billion), putting a dent in
its nearly $24 billion cash hoard. Morgan Stanley analyst Steve Girsky
says, though, that GM has been padding that cash number by paying its
bills later than in the past. GM has $24 billion in accounts payable,
with an average payment term of 60 days, which is three times longer
than Ford's payment schedule. Those delays, says the analyst, has
boosted GM's reported cash position by $6 billion over the past three
years.

To cope with the worse-than-expected problems (which also include an
expected $500 million loss in GM Europe and a $1.5 billion write-down
for GM's payoff to Fiat, so the Italian automaker doesn't exercise its
put option that would force GM to buy Fiat Auto), GM is reportedly
looking for another $2 billion of fixed costs to cut this year. That
could come in the form of workforce reductions and plant idlings or
outright closings, with a corresponding one-time charge that it would
incur to pay off workers.

The crux of GM's problems: too many workers churning out too many
vehicles because of the United Auto Workers' stranglehold on GM, namely
the inability to close factories and eliminate workers to better match
GM's natural market share; the refusal of the union to pay some of its
own healthcare premiums; too many brands under the GM roof demanding
capital investment in new vehicles and marketing costs. While GM has
been improving quality, its poor brand images do not allow it to charge
the prices that Toyota, Nissan, and Honda can with their better images.

"We continue to believe GM's products are overpriced (relative to the
Japanese brands) by 10 percent to 15 percent due to weak resale
values," says Ronald Tadross of Bank of America, who has a "sell"
rating on the stock, and lowered his price target on the company to $23
from $27.

As for its new-product turnaround, most of the models designed to
attract new customers - the Chevy Cobalt, Pontiac G6, Buick LaCrosse,
and GM's new minivans - aren't attracting much attention even with
beefy sales incentives. Meantime, GM is suffering from comparisons with
Chrysler, which is reaping huge profits from being able to sell a hot
Chrysler 300C sedan and Dodge Magnum wagon virtually without
incentives.

Meanwhile, Ford said Tuesday that it is reaffirming its guidance for
2005 in the wake of GM's announcement. Ford expects full-year operating
cash flow in the range of $1.2-$1.5 billion with a corresponding EPS in
2005 in the range of $1.75-$1.95, with first quarter EPS in the range
of $0.25-$0.35.

Aside from tepid sales of new models, GM is also hurt by the falloff in
sales of big SUVs, which have supported the otherwise losing
proposition of selling passenger cars in North America. "We continue to
believe GM is in a precarious position given lower GM North America
production volumes, especially related to its highest-profit platform,
GMT800 (full-size trucks); the challenging pricing environment; and
less profitable mix (more cars/less trucks)," said Joseph Amaturo,
analyst for Caylon Securities. "We do not expect modest improvements
from automotive operations outside North America to offset these
domestic headwinds. Amaturo added, "We remain confident that possible
credit rating downgrades and a dividend cut are in the company's
near-term future and will only add insult to injury."

GM CEO Rick Wagoner said in January that he is not looking to eliminate
another sales division after closing Oldsmobile. Analysts, though, say
that GM could eliminate Buick or Saturn and probably Saab, and have a
more profitable 20-percent market share, which is the share level that
seems to fit the trajectory of the company these days. Wagoner is
reluctant to sacrifice the "shelf space" of those brands in the
marketplace, nor does he necessarily want to be remembered as the CEO
who shrunk GM. That level of share would require the UAW to face the
reality that the days of $90,000-plus a year for line workers and
paying no healthcare premiums are over. But don't count on any of that
without a big fight if GM tries to push any significant reform before
the next union contract is negotiated.
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Patrick
'93 Cobra
JohnR66 - 24 Mar 2005 03:38 GMT
Sad to see a primarily American company hurting. These huge car companies
contract hundreds of small companies to build parts that go into the final
product. You hear about GM's layoffs, but you never here about all these
contracted businesses who also have to cut jobs.
John

> Here's a follow-up on the GTO thread.  This is why GM is hurting so
> bad.
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> Patrick
> '93 Cobra
mindy5734@yahoo.com - 24 Mar 2005 04:56 GMT
>Sad to see a primarily American company hurting. These huge car companies
>contract hundreds of small companies to build parts that go into the final
>product. You hear about GM's layoffs, but you never here about all these
>contracted businesses who also have to cut jobs.
>John

lmfao
its good to see america hurt
ford sucks the big one too
nly tards drive fords

BIN LADEN RULES

hurc ast
Spike - 24 Mar 2005 04:58 GMT
That's bad for everyone up and down the line, from the companies that
produce the raw materials to the companies that produce the parts, to
the person who drives the roach coach. I fear it is an indicator of
things to come, well beyond GM.

>Sad to see a primarily American company hurting. These huge car companies
>contract hundreds of small companies to build parts that go into the final
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>> Patrick
>> '93 Cobra

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mindy5734@yahoo.com - 25 Mar 2005 06:02 GMT
>That's bad for everyone up and down the line, from the companies that
>produce the raw materials to the companies that produce the parts, to
>the person who drives the roach coach. I fear it is an indicator of
>things to come, well beyond GM.

yup i can see the yankee economy suffering

canada rocks dude
bin laden helped our economy

911 what a blast

hurc ast in canada
RichA - 25 Mar 2005 08:36 GMT
>>That's bad for everyone up and down the line, from the companies that
>>produce the raw materials to the companies that produce the parts, to
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>
>hurc ast in canada

The U.S. trade deficit with the CHINESE this year is $600B.    Same
with Australia, though not as much as the U.S.  Canada has a trade
surplus and has had for the last 10-15 years.
Hint to Americans;  STOP buying everything from Walmart.  Support
your own continent.  Be willing to pay more for North American
produced goods. Cut tax breaks for all companies exporting jobs
to the Orient.  Remember what Henry Ford said when asked why he
paid his employees so well?  "So they can buy my cars."
-Rich
ZombyWoof - 25 Mar 2005 14:11 GMT
<snip>

>The U.S. trade deficit with the CHINESE this year is $600B.    Same
>with Australia, though not as much as the U.S.  Canada has a trade
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>paid his employees so well?  "So they can buy my cars."
>-Rich

Americans have never been overly concerned with buying their own
domestic products and has also lost most of it's low-end production
capability.  It is in a transition from an Industrialized nation &
economy to a service based one.  It really doesn't matter where a
product comes from nowadays as whoever can produce it the cheapest
will.  However, the need for domestic service of those products will
always exist.  The US provides the intellectuals and innovation and
lets other produce the products.  The average American no longer wants
to do manual labor or work an assembly line.
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mindy5734@yahoo.com - 25 Mar 2005 14:40 GMT
><snip>
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>lets other produce the products.  The average American no longer wants
>to do manual labor or work an assembly line.

the average american is stupid
84% ofusa hi tech is developed by CANADIANS
hurc ast
RichA - 25 Mar 2005 22:37 GMT
><snip>
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>lets other produce the products.  The average American no longer wants
>to do manual labor or work an assembly line.

Yes, it is a kind of pipe-dream, the "buy American" idea, and
goes against the laws of economic evolution (as opposed to "progress")
but now your clerical, engineering, and other non-blue collar jobs
are going to India.  At some point, you'll end up with
two kinds of industry;  Local intellectual (like lawyers, government
workers) and service industry people to provide for their needs.
Unemployment (unless they adopt the communist model of digging holes
and filling them in!) will just keep rising.  Maybe more people will
go back to farming?
-Rich
ZombyWoof - 26 Mar 2005 17:47 GMT
>><snip>
>>>
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>go back to farming?
>-Rich

Perhaps, but unemployment does seem to have specific zones as there
are industry shifts.  For example where I live there is extremely low
unemployment < 2%.   Which if you subscribe to the theory of a certain
level of natural unemployment a fully employed area or perhaps even
over employed.  We have quite a bit of problem recruiting and keeping
employees throughout the skillset spectrum.
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ZombyWoof - 25 Mar 2005 14:06 GMT
>>That's bad for everyone up and down the line, from the companies that
>>produce the raw materials to the companies that produce the parts, to
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>911 what a blast

Yeah it was a real blast you a.shole.  I hope someone decides to fly a
747 into your place of work, whoops let's make that your two-room
school house.

>hurc ast in canada

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mindy5734@yahoo.com - 25 Mar 2005 14:47 GMT
>>>That's bad for everyone up and down the line, from the companies that
>>>produce the raw materials to the companies that produce the parts, to
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>747 into your place of work, whoops let's make that your two-room
>school house.

lmfao
bin laden prooved the usa can be crippled by 2 passenger jet

lmfao

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

hurc ast
Spike - 25 Mar 2005 20:59 GMT
You just proved that some Canadians, just like some of any
nationality, can be ill bred, ill mannered, and, judging by your
inability to spell and the poor grammatical usage, very poorly
educated. It is apparent that yours was not a two room schoolhouse,
but, rather, a two hole outhouse... the one you sit on, and you. I've
known a lot of Canadians, and worked along side them. You are the
first one I have held in disgust, and the first one I have pity for.

>>>>That's bad for everyone up and down the line, from the companies that
>>>>produce the raw materials to the companies that produce the parts, to
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>
>hurc ast

Hey! Spikey Likes IT!
1965 Ford Mustang fastback 2+2 A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok
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ZombyWoof - 26 Mar 2005 17:44 GMT
>You just proved that some Canadians, just like some of any
>nationality, can be ill bred, ill mannered, and, judging by your
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>known a lot of Canadians, and worked along side them. You are the
>first one I have held in disgust, and the first one I have pity for.

Now that I can agree with.

>>>>>That's bad for everyone up and down the line, from the companies that
>>>>>produce the raw materials to the companies that produce the parts, to
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
>Vintage 40 Wheels 16X8"
>w/BF Goodrich Comp T/A Radial 225/50ZR16

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