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2007 Shelby GT500 Mustang

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Dan - 23 Mar 2005 06:25 GMT
So much for rumors :).

The press for release for the Adrenaline at the NYIAS states it will go
on sale at the same time as the GT500:

http://www.muscularmustangs.com/2005/news0001cobra.php

Furthermore, Motor Trend for May has a full spread on the car with
pictures. I quote from the article:

"Shelby Cobra GT500's supercharged 5.4-liter DOHC V-8 produces over 450
hp

Just as the original Shelby GT500 was the "step up" to big-block power
from the GT350, the new Ford Shelby Cobra GT500 steps up to Ford's
5.4-liter "MOD" V-8. The result? The GT500 is the most powerful factory
Mustang ever. Its supercharged 5.4-liter, 32-valve V-8 evolves from
SVT's experience with supercharging the "MOD" engine to deliver more
than 450 horsepower and 450 foot-pounds of torque.

The cast-iron-block, four-valve engine is force-fed an air-and-fuel
mixture via a screw-type supercharger at 8.5 pounds per square inch of
boost. Aluminum cylinder heads, piston rings and bearings sourced from
the Ford GT program bring a high level of proven durability to the
drivetrain, while upgraded cooling components promise longevity.
"Powered by SVT" camshaft covers are the finishing touch to the engine.

This version of the 5.4-liter V-8 has a higher horsepower rating than
any other factory Mustang in history," says Jay O'Connell, SVT chief
vehicle engineer. "It really delivers on the essence of two great names
in Ford performance - a mix of SVT's modern-day experience with
supercharging and the Shelby GT500's heritage of big-block power.

The engine has been further tuned from its first application in a
Mustang, the 2000 SVT Mustang Cobra R, a limited edition model of 300
units.

Helping to put the power of the GT500's supercharged V-8 to the
pavement is a T-56 six-speed manual gearbox. The evenly spaced gears
mean less stirring is needed to find the "sweet spot" in keeping the
revs "on cam" for power to pass, while at the same time making the most
of the engine's broad torque curve. The heavy-duty transmission has
proven itself a willing companion to V-8 power in Mustangs in both road
and track environments, including the 2000 SVT Mustang Cobra R, 2004
SVT Mustang Cobra and the new race-winning Ford Racing Mustang FR500C.

Great power requires great control

The great Shelby Mustangs of the 1960s were anything but one-trick
ponies. They earned their stripes on twisty roads and race tracks
across America and Europe. The Shelby Cobra GT500 show car continues
that legacy of all-around performance.

The GT500 starts with the solid 2005 Mustang underpinnings. The all-new
Mustang's platform was designed from the beginning with performance
derivatives in mind, providing an exceptionally rigid, well-engineered
starting point for SVT chassis engineers.

Using real-world experience gained during more than 12 years of
building great-handling SVT Mustang Cobras, SVT engineers retune and
upgrade key chassis components. Improvements such as revised shocks,
spring rates and upgraded stabilizer bars help the GT500 stop and turn
with the same authority as it goes.

The GT500 features a MacPherson strut independent front suspension with
"Reverse L" lower control arms, and a solid-axle, three-link rear
suspension with coil springs and a Panhard rod for precise control of
the rear axle.

This rear suspension design has been validated on the track by Ford
Racing. The race-prepared Ford Racing Mustang FR500C was purpose-built
from the base 2005 Mustang body structure and suspension geometry to
run in the Grand-Am Cup series, a class of road racing for
production-based cars. Competing against the best from Germany and
Japan, a Mustang FR500C competed in and won its first ever race in the
season-opener at Daytona International Speedway in February 2005.

SVT and Ford Racing will be working closer than ever as we go forward
on future projects, especially Mustangs," says Thai-Tang, a Ford Racing
alumnus who served as the race engineer for the Newman-Haas Racing team
in 1993. "The Mustang FR500C racing program is an exact demonstration
of the capability we engineered into the mainstream Mustang to be
capable of. Now, we have both a Daytona victory and the return of the
Shelby Cobra GT500 to showcase Mustang performance possibilities.

To match this power and handling ability, SVT fitted some of the
biggest brakes in the business to the GT500. Fourteen-inch
cross-drilled Brembo rotors up front and 13-inch discs in the rear
continue SVT's legacy of great-braking Mustangs. Secure footing is
provided by 19-inch wheels wrapped in high-performance tires."

So, two SVT products upcoming :).

Time to upgrade mine so I can keep the GT500 boys humble for a years or
so ;).

Dan
2003 Cobra convertible
With some stuff and things
memset@recorddeal.com - 23 Mar 2005 16:17 GMT
Awesome, Dan!!!! *slobber* =DD

-Mike

--
A happy kid behind the wheel of a 98 Mustang GT
Cold air intake
FRPP 3.73 gears
Steeda Tri-Ax Shifter
Flowmaster 40 Series mufflers (self-installed woohoo)
Hi-speed fan switch
255/60R-15 rear tires
Subframe connectors
Aluminum adjustable clutch quadrant

> So much for rumors :).
>
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> 2003 Cobra convertible
> With some stuff and things
Erik D. - 23 Mar 2005 16:24 GMT
http://media.ford.com/products/presskit_display.cfm?vehicle_id=1269&press_subsec
tion_id=421&make_id=92


I want one!!!

Erik D.
'94 white lightning
'01 white GT
Dan - 23 Mar 2005 16:25 GMT
Here is the full article plus a bunch of sweet pictures:

http://www.mustangworld.com/ourpics/News/shelbycob07/Shelbycob.htm

Dan
2003 Cobra convertible
With some stuff and things
Dan - 23 Mar 2005 16:38 GMT
More pics:

http://racergarage.com/shelbyGT500/

Dan
2003 Cobra convertible
With some stuff and things
Dan - 23 Mar 2005 16:52 GMT
Ford Shelby Cobra Gt500: Broadcast

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>From Ford Media Services, Copyright 2005 Ford Motor Company

If the name Carroll Shelby conjures up visions of hot-looking,
high-powered Ford Mustangs in your head, then you're just the person
the Ford Special Vehicle Team is trying to reach with the
450-plus-horsepower Shelby Cobra GT500 show car.

With a production version in store for 2006, this collaboration
continues more than 40 years of Mustang performance history, including
Shelby's guidance that also helped shape the Ford GT supercar.

"There's a special place in my heart for the Mustang," says Carroll
Shelby. "This new GT500 captures the essence of what we did back in the
60s, but is packed with modern performance engineering from the experts
at SVT."

The GT500 is a throwback to one of the greatest high-performance
Mustangs of yesteryear that wore the same name - but with all the
modern power and technology that SVT, Ford's in-house performance
engineering group, could work into the new-for-2005 Mustang. Its
supercharged 5.4-liter V-8 touts dual overhead cams and 32 valves -
good for more than 450 horsepower, channeled through a six-speed manual
transmission.

The new Shelby Cobra GT500 is clearly inspired by the classic '67
Shelby GT500.

The original 1967 Shelby GT500 featured a 428-cubic inch "big-block"
V-8 engine producing approximately 355 horsepower. The new GT500
features a 5.4-liter engine, which is nearly 100 cubic inches smaller
in size but produces 100 more horsepower. To get there, SVT
incorporated its experience in supercharging technology to give the new
GT500 the "big-block" feel, despite being smaller in size and more fuel
efficient.

Poking through the 19-inch wheels are brakes as big as a large pizza.
Redesigned front and rear fascias, heat-extracting vents in the hood,
and a "high-back" rear spoiler all lend to more aggressive look. The
GT500 is clearly a modern-day muscle car with performance worthy of its
bold racing stripes.

450-horsepower too hot for your trot? Mustangs also available with 210
or 300 horses

There's no question that a Shelby Cobra GT500 with more than 450
horsepower offers more performance than many people will ever need -
or want. It's not a car for everyone - even if the idea of owning a
high-performance Mustang is appealing. But not to worry as Ford dealers
already have a couple of other Mustang models to suit varying appetites
for power and driving needs: The entry-level model Mustang is far from
base with the strong 210-horsepower V-6 starting at under $20,000.

For more oomph, there's the Mustang GT, with a 4.6-liter V-8 that makes
a stout 300-horsepower - the most affordable sports car with that much
power on the market. Both are available as a coupe or a convertible.
When the GT500 hits the streets in 2006, there will be a Mustang at
every level of performance to fit any taste and budget.

---

Dan
2003 Cobra convertible
With some stuff and things
Dan - 23 Mar 2005 16:52 GMT
Ford Shelby Cobra Gt500: Enthusiast

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>From Ford Media Services, Copyright 2005 Ford Motor Company

The Ford Special Vehicle Team (SVT) and Carroll Shelby have joined
forces to create a high-performance Mustang that fittingly carries the
Cobra GT500 name with great power, impressive handling and classic
Shelby design cues. The Ford Shelby Cobra GT500 will continue SVT's
legacy of high-performance Mustangs with a production version slated to
go on sale in 2006. Currently rated at more than 450 horsepower, the
GT500's final output will be announced when the production version is
unveiled at the 2006 North American International Auto Show.

"With the new GT500, SVT engineers are developing a high-performance
Mustang that has not only won the blessing of Carroll Shelby himself,
but one that lives up to the best of what the GT500 badge represents to
enthusiasts," says Tom Jones, SVT chief program engineer. "The GT500
delivers on all the key ingredients expected of an SVT Mustang: big
power, great handling, awesome brakes, and of course, a distinct look."

The GT500 features the most powerful engine ever fit into a factory
Mustang, delivering more than 450 horsepower and 450 foot-pounds of
torque. The GT500 will be followed by other SVT-engineered performance
products, possibly including a version of the production-intent Sport
Trac Adrenalin, the industry's first performance sport-utility truck.

Energized by the launch of the Ford GT supercar in 2004, Ford's
in-house performance brand also takes the reins of developing non-SVT
branded blue-oval models, including other performance Mustangs inspired
by the Bullitt GT and Mach 1.

"SVT is transforming itself with great new products and the
responsibility to apply its expertise to other parts of our performance
world," says Phil Martens, Ford group vice president, Product Creation.
"The Ford GT and GT500 are the foundation for the momentum SVT will
inject across more and more vehicles."

Classic big-block displacement and modern SVT engineering create most
potent factory Mustang

When the Shelby GT350 was introduced, it was instantly respected as a
performance car. Yet, it wasn't until Ford's famed 428 cubic-inch
big-block found its way into the GT500 that Mustang's reputation as a
true muscle car was firmly established.

While the Shelby GT350 (shown) was a respected performance car, it was
the big-block 428 Shelby GT500 that established Mustang as a muscle car

Shelby Cobra GT500 boasts the most power of any factory Mustang due to
the supercharged 32-valve 5.4-liter V-8.

To be true to that legacy, the Shelby Cobra GT500 had to possess
firepower competitive with the world's best performance cars. Following
the theory that "there's no replacement for displacement," SVT
engineers fit the new GT500 with a version of Ford's 5.4-liter "MOD"
V-8 engine. This is only the second time a factory Mustang has used the
5.4-liter engine, following the 2000 SVT Mustang Cobra R.

In addition to muscle car cubic inches, SVT engineers employed modern
performance technologies developed for the supercharged SVT Mustang
Cobra and the Ford GT. As a result, the GT500 features a cast-iron
block topped with the Ford GT's four-valve, aluminum cylinder heads.
These high-flow heads are paired with a screw-type supercharger, and a
water-to-air intercooler, for a broad torque curve all the way up to
redline. Higher-flowing heads help the engine "breathe" better for
increased power and fuel efficiency, while the addition of the
intercooler allows the supercharger to deliver a denser fuel-air
mixture to the cylinders, resulting in a more powerful charge for each
and every firing cycle. Also sourced from the Ford GT are the piston
rings and rod bearings, ensuring a high level of performance and
durability to the massaged V-8.

Track-tested, race-proven platform and suspension architecture

However, the ultimate factory Mustang isn't limited to just a power
upgrade. Shelby and Ford SVT are known for delivering balanced,
all-around performance - and the Shelby Cobra GT500 is no exception.

The development of the GT500 chassis started during the 2005 Mustang
program, when the basic geometry and chassis structure was tested and
validated on a number or race tracks. The result is solid chassis that
has won acclaim from media and customers alike. Mustang features a
revised MacPherson strut independent front suspension with lightweight
"Reverse L" lower control arms, and a solid-axle, three-link rear
suspension with coil springs and a Panhard rod.

The Reverse L configuration improves lateral motion control and
steering response via a firm bushing located where the shorter leg
connects to the chassis. At the same time, a softer bushing on the
longer leg better dampens road shocks and longitudinal movement. The
revised three-link setup with coils helps maintain constant toe-in and
camber relative to the road surface, while the Panhard rod controls
side-to-side axle movement in relation to the chassis for improved
tracking.

Prior to his current assignment as director, Advanced Product Creation
and SVT, Hau Thai-Tang served as the chief engineer for the 2005
Mustang.

"During development of the new Mustang, plenty of time was spent at the
track ensuring the platform met our requirements for the Mustang, and
was capable of handling future performance derivatives," says
Thai-Tang. "Media and customer reactions have been extremely positive
in terms of chassis dynamics."

The base architecture was further validated by the race-prepared Ford
Racing Mustang FR500C, built ground up from the base Mustang body
structure and suspension geometry to run in the Grand-Am Cup series.
Out of the box, an FR500C competed in and won its first ever race in
the season-opener at Daytona International Speedway in February 2005.

Shelby Cobra GT500's architecture is shared with the track-tested,
race-proven FR500C, which won its debut Grand Am Cup race in Daytona.

"In terms of performance, the solid-rear-axle setup in the Shelby Cobra
GT500 has been proven in race competition this year with a Ford Racing
Mustang FR500C taking the checkered flag at Daytona," says Thai-Tang.
"First race, first win; not bad against the best from Germany and
Japan."

To create the GT500, SVT engineers are using real-world experience
gained during more than 12 years of building great-handling Mustang
Cobras to deliver the power brand's signature chassis tuning for a
balanced, performance-tuned ride that still maintains the compliancy
required for everyday driving. This includes SVT engineers
recalibrating the shock valves and spring rates for increased wheel
control and road feedback. A new shock tower brace and structural
"K-member" will deliver even crisper steering response. Finally, a
larger rear stabilizer bar will reduce body lean, adding to
sophisticated handling precision and performance.

To put a stop on all of this power and handling ability, SVT has
employed some of the biggest brakes in the business. The GT500 features
14-inch cross-drilled Brembo brake rotors up front clamped by
four-piston aluminum calipers. The rear features 13-inch discs with
two-piston calipers. Unique 19- x 9.5-inch aluminum split-five-spoke
wheels are wrapped in 255/45ZR-19 high-performance rubber to help
secure the GT500 to the road.

Nineteen-inch wheels, 255/45ZR19 tires and huge cross-drilled Brembo
brakes promise to put a stop to the GT500's fun.

Suspension designed to meet demands of SVT's customers

SVT has remained a viable specialty performance group within Ford for
more than decade because it has a unique connection with its customers.

"SVT communicates with its customers on a personal level rather than
using national advertising campaigns," says George Ayres, SVT sales and
marketing manager. "We think this approach gives us a unique advantage
in understanding our customers' needs to help keep improving SVT
products and business."

This constant interaction helps SVT product planners know and
understand the Mustang buyer and, consequently, how to deliver just the
right blend of performance and value.

Customer input on the way they use their vehicles drove the engineering
and hardware decisions on the Shelby GT500, including the solid-rear
axle. Long the preference of drag-racers because of dependability and
the ease of ring-and-pinion gearset changes, the solid-rear axle became
a viable choice when Ford suspension engineers were able to perfect the
design for optimized handling as well.

As a result, the GT500 is designed to meet the expectations of SVT's
most demanding customers, whether they measure performance in quarter
miles or in lap times.

Modern SVT-engineered Mustang with Shelby inspired performance and
looks

SVT engineers are working with Carroll Shelby to develop a balanced
performance car that delivers what enthusiasts want: outstanding
acceleration in tandem with excellent driving dynamics. Wrapped in
sleek Mustang sheet metal, the Shelby-inspired design cues - from the
trademark LeMans stripes to the aluminum hood with functional air
extractors - are only upstaged by the bark of the dual exhausts,
clearly inspired by the Shelby GT500 legacy.

---
Dan
2003 Cobra convertible
With some stuff and things
Dan - 23 Mar 2005 16:53 GMT
Ford Shelby Cobra GT500: Lifestyle

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>From Ford Media Services, Copyright 2005 Ford Motor Company

When Carroll Shelby painted two white stripes the entire length of a
Mustang in 1964, he not only introduced a dramatic styling cue, he
opened a new era of performance cars to the world. Today, Shelby again
stripes a new Mustang in collaboration with the Ford Special Vehicle
Team (SVT), creating the 450-plus-horsepower Ford Shelby Cobra GT500.

"We had a great relationship years ago, and here we are working on
projects together again," says Carroll Shelby. "I can't tell you how
proud I am. We came up with another winner in my estimation."

The return of Shelby's stripes on a Mustang is one of a number of cues
that play on more than a century of performance history between SVT,
Shelby and the Mustang. The GT500 is based on the hot-selling 2005
Mustang that's won international acclaim for its magical blend of
classic 1960's Mustang design elements - like the fastback shape,
long hood and short rear deck - with a modern stance and proportions.

SVT, with Shelby's guiding influence, is employing its leading
factory-tuning expertise to bring power and performance to the GT500,
and will bring it to the streets with a production model that will go
on sale in 2006.

"When you take a car with the power and personality of the legendary
Shelby Mustangs and infuse it with the modern engineering expertise of
SVT - and back it all up with racetrack-proven performance - then
you understand the appeal of the GT500," says Hau Thai-Tang, director,
Advanced Product Creation and SVT. "No other company has a Mustang, and
nobody has the performance credentials of Carroll Shelby - SVT brings
them together to offer a performance car that nobody else can match in
terms of speed and emotion."

Shelby and SVT offer appeal across generations of Mustang enthusiasts

Unlike some cars that appeal only to a small group of enthusiasts, the
Shelby Cobra GT500 combines the reputation of Carroll Shelby and Ford
SVT to appeal to enthusiasts across generations.

Carroll Shelby first put his name on a Mustang back in 1964 when he was
asked to inject some high performance into the brand-new pony car. The
result was the GT350R, a lightweight, handling-focused race car that
earned the Mustang its first performance credentials. Subsequent Shelby
Mustangs included a street version of the race car, the GT350, and what
was known as the "rent-a-racer" Mustang, the GT350H, a joint project
with the Hertz rental car corporation.

The new Shelby GT500 is inspired by some of the most memorable Mustangs
of all time, classic Shelby Mustangs produced between 1964-1970.

The combination of classic styling and modern engineering makes the
Shelby Cobra GT500 appeal to all generations of enthusiasts.

The ultimate Shelby Mustang of the era was the GT500KR, or "King of the
Road." Powered by a big-block 428-cubic-inch "Cobra Jet" V-8, the
GT500KR was one of the most powerful, and memorable, muscle cars of
that period. Shelby Mustang production ceased in 1970 with a total
volume of 14,559 units.

For those that grew up during the '60s, even the original price for a
1967 Shelby GT500 of $4,195.00 was quite a stretch. Those lucky enough
to have experienced time behind the wheel of an original, or may have
been able to add one to their personal collections, are holding a piece
of automotive history. But for those who only have been able to lust
after the Shelby Mustang legend, they may now have another chance to
make their dream come true.

SVT brought performance back to Mustang in 1993. After 12 years, nearly
80,000 high-performance Mustangs and total production of nearly 145,000
vehicles, SVT has established a reputation for delivering some of the
most desirable high-performance Mustangs since the 1960s.

Those who grew up with posters of SVT Mustang Cobras and SVT F-150
Lightnings on their walls know that the SVT logo represents serious
performance. SVT owners consistently report back in owner surveys that
one of the top reasons behind their purchase decision is "SVT
reputation." SVT has built a performance credibility steeped in
consistent execution of performance capabilities in its products.

GT500 marries style of Shelby, engineering of SVT

It's easy enough to add racing stripes to a car but, to faithfully
uphold the legendary Shelby look of the GT500, SVT chose to completely
finesse the already aggressive lines of the 2005 Mustang from nose to
tail. In the power brand's tradition, these design changes emphasize
functional improvements to the car's performance capabilities.

"The classic Shelbys looked great but, at the end of the day, they
earned their stripes because they could perform," says Doug Gaffka, SVT
chief designer. "The Shelby look works perfectly with SVT and Mustang
because all three have performance at their core."

In addition to the famed overbody and lower bodyside stripes, unique
bodywork reminiscent of classic Shelby Mustangs and special Shelby
badging help bring the legacy to life on the GT500. A reworked front
fascia with functional air splitter provides improved airflow and
aerodynamics. Stylized headlamp insets offer a more aggressive look,
and new symmetrical upper and lower grilles provide larger air openings
for increased airflow into the engine bay.

Underhood, the GT500 features the most powerful engine ever fit in a
Mustang by the factory. The 5.4-liter, supercharged V-8 developed by
SVT delivers more than 450 horsepower, and 450 foot-pounds of torque.
SVT engineers also developed the chassis, building on 12 years of
experience tuning high-performance SVT Mustang Cobras. The result is a
marriage of classic muscle-car styling and modern engineering.

GT500 is the most powerful Mustang ever to come from the factory.

Shelby Cobra GT500 a product of Mustang and SVT enthusiast lifestyles

For 40 years, Mustangs have held the title of America's favorite
performance car. More than eight million have been sold since its
introduction in 1964. Along the way, the Mustang has become a lifestyle
in and of itself, inspiring Mustang car clubs across the world.

Likewise, the SVT Owner's Association (SVTOA) has helped Ford SVT
transcend a simple logo to become an integral part of enthusiasts'
lives. With more than 25,000 members in nearly 50 chapters across North
America, SVTOA holds the standard car-club fare of local
dealer-supported car shows and cruises. But, SVTOA provides another
very important ownership function: honest to goodness track time.

With the view that the best way to enjoy a high-performance vehicle is
to learn to drive it in high-performance situations, a series of SVTOA
"On-Track" events helps to introduce interested SVT owners to the joys
of amateur road racing.

SVTOA "On-Track" events allow customers to celebrate the performance
lifestyle.

Held on private race tracks across North America, SVTOA "On-Track"
events help drivers exercise their car or truck in ways that wouldn't
be possible on public roads. Some of the events even become vacation
destinations for the entire family. This kind of club experience goes
beyond the typical weekend show or once-a-month get-together. More than
just the celebration of a car, being a member of SVTOA and driving at
the limit on a road-racing course is the celebration of the car
enthusiast lifestyle. Like SVT products themselves, it all centers on a
passion for driving.

Although it's true that club membership and track racing doesn't appeal
to all owners, one thing that is universal is a love of Ford
performance vehicles. The Shelby Cobra GT500 will fit nicely in this
family of loyal Ford performance enthusiasts.

---

Dan
2003 Cobra convertible
With some stuff and things
Dan - 23 Mar 2005 16:55 GMT
One more :).

http://media.ford.com/products/presskit_display.cfm?vehicle_id=1269&press_subsec
tion_id=421&make_id=92


Dan
2003 Cobra convertible
With some stuff and things
Dan - 23 Mar 2005 17:02 GMT
And a correction! I reread my original post and it looks like I'm
quoting from Motor Trend. The quote is from the Ford Media release
*not* the Motor Trend article. My apologies for any confusion.

Dan
2003 Cobra convertible
With some stuff and things
one80out@hotmail.com - 23 Mar 2005 17:30 GMT
> So much for rumors :).
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Furthermore, Motor Trend for May has a full spread on the car with
> pictures. I quote from the article:

Hey Dan, isn't this the same Eaton Roots blower as you've got on your
car?  http://racergarage.com/shelbyGT500/ShelbyCobraGT500Show_15.jpg

The reason I ask is because the Motor Trend story speaks of a "twin
screw" blower, and to me that means a Whipple, not a Roots style as
used in the '03-04 Cobra, the GT, and the Lightning.  I just wonder
which one they'll be using, because they're totally different animals.

Here's Ford's problem with a high dollar King of the Road Mustang:
http://racergarage.com/shelbyGT500/ShelbyCobraGT500Show_44.jpg

This photo shows a $19,000 V6, a $25,000 GT, and a $??,??? GT500, and
they all look the same.

Here's Ol' Shel himself, sitting in the last GT500 in the universe that
doesn't have his signature on the glovebox door:
http://racergarage.com/shelbyGT500/Shelby_testdrive.jpg

180 Out
Dan - 23 Mar 2005 18:39 GMT
The blower on the GT500 is internally a Lysholm twin screw design made
by Whipple. Eaton (Magnuson Products) packages it, I believe, for Ford.
So that case looks like an Eaton but inside it's a Whipple :). The Ford
GT uses this same blower. In fact, other than some details (iron block
versus aluminum and probably some other differences), the GT500 motor
is essentially the same motor found in the Ford GT.

And, shortly, I'll have this same blower on my car. Yay! :)

As for the pricing, I'm being told by everyone that the GT500, given
that it's actually an SVT product and not a "special edition", will be
under $40k. They are planning on 7500 of them which about right for an
SVT Mustang run, so maybe that number's good.

I just cannot wait to see these running in the Grand Am Cup Stock Car
series :).

Dan
2003 Cobra convertible
With some stuff and things
one80out@hotmail.com - 23 Mar 2005 20:54 GMT
<snip>

I did not know that the GT used a Whipple-style.

Where are you getting yours?  How much?

> As for the pricing, I'm being told by everyone that the
> GT500, given that it's actually an SVT product and
> not a "special edition", will be under $40k. They are
> planning on 7500 of them which about right for an
> SVT Mustang run, so maybe that number's good.

$40,000 for a 450 hp 2 + 2 with the new Stangs' good looks.  This is
very bad news . . . for my wife. :)  I just hope it doesn't get
"eBay-ed" like the GT has.  Even as we speak there are six of these
"$125,000" supercars on eBay,  with current bids ranging from $143,000
for one with 6 days left, to $225,000 for one with 2 days left, and a
"Buy It Now" of $241,000.  Applying the same math ($241K/$125K = 191%)
to a $40,000 car takes us to $77,000!!!

180 Out
Brent P - 23 Mar 2005 22:47 GMT
> I just hope it doesn't get
> "eBay-ed" like the GT has.  Even as we speak there are six of these
> "$125,000" supercars on eBay,  with current bids ranging from $143,000
> for one with 6 days left, to $225,000 for one with 2 days left, and a
> "Buy It Now" of $241,000.  Applying the same math ($241K/$125K = 191%)
> to a $40,000 car takes us to $77,000!!!

Of course that's what is going to happen. Wether it's a dealer or a
person who had an inside track to get one flipping it for profit. It will
likely take several months before one can be touched for under $60K.
Dan - 24 Mar 2005 00:21 GMT
one80...@hotmail.com wrote:

> <snip>
>
> I did not know that the GT used a Whipple-style.
>
> Where are you getting yours?  How much?

I'm still shopping around and I missed the last group purchase on one
of the forums. It looks like no one is discounting these yet either so
I'll be paying close to retail which is $3195 for the painted version,
$3895 for the polished.

My debate right now is polished versus non. I have seen some nice
powdercoated S/C's in these cars and I might go that route which would
be the least expensive.

The other debate I'm waging is that I've got buddies who are working on
their own turbo kit for this car. I just rode in a twin turbo'd 2V that
knocked my socks off. My DOHC will respond better to that kind of boost
but even with the "consideration" I'll be getting the kit would be at
least $1.5k more than the blower because of all the parts.

I just dunno :P.

Dan
2003 Cobra convertible
With some stuff and things

[snip]
one80out@hotmail.com - 24 Mar 2005 02:41 GMT
> The other debate I'm waging is that I've got
> buddies who are working on their own turbo
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> "consideration" I'll be getting the kit would be at
> least $1.5k more than the blower because of all the parts.

> I just dunno :P.

Man, you've got it bad. : )

My latest daydream car is to get a '73-'75 Crapmaro (because they're
cheap and emissions exempt in Cali), swap over the front and rear
fascia from a '70-'72 Rally Sport (think split bumpers), and drop in a
Gale Banks twin-turbo SBC:
http://www.bankspower.com/Twin-Turbo-images/TwinTurbo-offsideLeft-lg.jp
This is a ready-to-run crate motor available in 640 to 1100 hp combos.
Turbos are really the way to go with the coming gas crunch.

But if you go screw-type, I vote for the powder coated case.  I don't
think polished would fit in with all those black tubes, wires, and
plastic in the modern engine compartment.

180 Out
one80out@hotmail.com - 24 Mar 2005 02:49 GMT
180 wrote:

> a Gale Banks twin-turbo SBC:
> http://www.bankspower.com/Twin -Turbo-images/TwinTurbo-offsid
eLeft-lg.jp

Here's my link in working form:
http://www.bankspower.com/Twin-Turbo-images/TwinTurbo-offsideLeft-lg.jpg

It's worth the trouble; really a pretty engine.

180 Out
one80out@hotmail.com - 24 Mar 2005 02:44 GMT
> The other debate I'm waging is that I've got
> buddies who are working on their own turbo
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> "consideration" I'll be getting the kit would be at
> least $1.5k more than the blower because of all the parts.

> I just dunno :P.

Man, you've got it bad. : )

My latest daydream car is to get a '73-'75 Crapmaro (because they're
cheap and emissions exempt in Cali), swap over the front and rear
fascia from a '70-'72 Rally Sport (think split bumpers), and drop in a
Gale Banks twin-turbo SBC:
http://www.bankspower.com/Twin-Turbo-images/TwinTurbo-offsideLeft-lg.jp
This is a ready-to-run crate motor available in 640 to 1100 hp combos.
Turbos are really the way to go with the coming gas crunch.

But if you go screw-type, I vote for the powder coated case.  I don't
think polished would fit in with all those black tubes, wires, and
plastic in the modern engine compartment.

180 Out
SVTKate - 24 Mar 2005 01:24 GMT
Whatta ya suppose that big red pulley button is on the dash??????
Dang, he looks happy.

he sucks too.

Kate

| > So much for rumors :).
| >
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
|
| 180 Out
one80out@hotmail.com - 24 Mar 2005 02:27 GMT
SVT Kate wrote:

> Whatta ya suppose that big red pulley
> button is on the dash??????

That's for the ejector seat, for when your significant other says "SLOW
THE F' DOWN" for the 25th time.

180 Out
DarkPony - 24 Mar 2005 02:41 GMT
That red button is for an emergency rear parahcute to slow that
beast down  ;)

DarkPony
04 Gt Vert 40th Prem

> SVT Kate wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> 180 Out
one80out@hotmail.com - 24 Mar 2005 03:01 GMT
SVT Kate wrote:

> Whatta ya suppose that big red pulley
> button is on the dash??????

That's for the ejector seat, for when your significant other says "SLOW
THE F' DOWN" for the 25th time.

180 Out
me - 23 Mar 2005 22:26 GMT
>So much for rumors :).
>
[quoted text clipped - 95 lines]
>2003 Cobra convertible
>With some stuff and things

Another link:
http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=169354&page=1
Thomas Hooven - 23 Mar 2005 22:56 GMT
I'll Keep my 70 Shelby GT350!
hoovie
> So much for rumors :).
>
[quoted text clipped - 95 lines]
> 2003 Cobra convertible
> With some stuff and things
Chris Shea - 24 Mar 2005 03:37 GMT
all i can say is...  DAYUM!

=)

Dan wrote in message
<1111555514.295755.64150@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>...
>So much for rumors :).
>
[quoted text clipped - 95 lines]
>2003 Cobra convertible
>With some stuff and things
Chris Shea - 24 Mar 2005 03:44 GMT
2 questions:

-    are they building it in the convertible?
-    will it be as tunable and upgradable as the 03/04's (i read the 05's-up
utilize a drive-by-wire, variable cam setup, and that is not as condusive to
upgrades)

chris
04 comp orange cobra vert

Dan wrote in message
<1111555514.295755.64150@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>...
>So much for rumors :).
>
[quoted text clipped - 95 lines]
>2003 Cobra convertible
>With some stuff and things
Michael Johnson, PE - 24 Mar 2005 05:04 GMT
> 2 questions:
>
> -    are they building it in the convertible?
> -    will it be as tunable and upgradable as the 03/04's (i read the 05's-up
> utilize a drive-by-wire, variable cam setup, and that is not as condusive to
> upgrades)

With the 5.4L blown Ford GT engine it will be a $25 pulley away from
making 600+ rwhp.
WraithCobra - 24 Mar 2005 21:28 GMT
>> 2 questions:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> With the 5.4L blown Ford GT engine it will be a $25 pulley away from
> making 600+ rwhp.

Well, maybe a $125 pulley.....
Signature

Mike
Silver 10th Anniversary Cobra Coupe
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Michael Johnson, PE - 25 Mar 2005 00:15 GMT
>>>2 questions:
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Well, maybe a $125 pulley.....

Only if you buy it from a Ford dealer's parts department. ;)
Dan - 24 Mar 2005 17:13 GMT
> 2 questions:
>
> -    are they building it in the convertible?

Yes, a convertible is in the works. The nice thing is that the S197
chassis has been estimated to be about 30% stiffer than SN95 in coupe
trim. Team Mustang has advertised that they tried diligently to provide
that improvement with a topless configuration in mind. The torsional
strength *has* to be less, but it will still be better than SN95 :).

> -    will it be as tunable and upgradable as the 03/04's (i read the 05's-up
> utilize a drive-by-wire, variable cam setup, and that is not as condusive to
> upgrades)

This isn't the 3v, VVT configuration :). This is a non-VVT 5.4 DOHC
with a single EEC-V PCM and no fly-by-wire. The pulley looks different
from the Eaton and Whipple so it may take a few weeks for the
aftermarket guys to tool it out. After that, though, it's a pulley swap
and tune away from big numbers :).

Dan
2003 Cobra convertible
With some stuff and things
Musty - 25 Mar 2005 01:35 GMT
> So much for rumors :).
>
> The press for release for the Adrenaline at the NYIAS states it will go
> on sale at the same time as the GT500:
>
> http://www.muscularmustangs.com/2005/news0001cobra.php

Nice, but how much is this thing going to cost?

Also any news about performance #'s?

Thanks
Musty
 
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