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Go to www.postnewsmarketplace.com, click on autos, then look for article entitled "Viper-powered Dodge Ram SRT-10 fastest". A junky Dodge truck with a Viper V-10, 500 horsepower engine. I guess I will have to supercharge my Mustang. Aghnis > Go to www.postnewsmarketplace.com, click on autos, then look for > article entitled "Viper-powered Dodge Ram SRT-10 fastest". > > A junky Dodge truck with a Viper V-10, 500 horsepower engine. I guess I > will have to supercharge my Mustang. I really hope I don't offend anybody by this; but, IMHO, trucks aren't meant to go fast. I bought my truck to haul stuff; not to weave in and out of traffic and to win races at the drag strip. That's not to say that you can't make a truck fast --you can-- but the amount of work put into it could make a car so much faster. Why not use the right tool for the job? I see so many guys racing their trucks and SUV's on the highways. They don't handle well and one day, they're going to get them self into a bad situation. Building "fast" trucks seems to be building a sense of confidence in buyers that I'd rather not exist. I'd rather people buy trucks and SUV's to be used for what they're meant to be used. And this isn't even getting into fuel consumption our current price of gas. Again, I hope I didn't offend anybody by that.  SignatureSean I agree totally with your post, but the Big 3 do not since they are putting more big V8s in both trucks and SUVs. Also, I have a Mustang that gets 2 to 3 times the gas mileage that this Dodge Truck gets with the Viper V8. I hope Chrysler falls on its fat rear-end with this silly project. The Big 3 will soon become the Little 3 as Toyota and other manufacturers surpass them with profits. Toyota is producing an ever expanding line of high gas mileage Hybrid vehicles and makes a good profit on each model sold. Aghnis "aghnis" <aghnis@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1111991415.992556.320130 @g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: > I agree totally with your post, but the Big 3 do not since they are > putting more big V8s in both trucks and SUVs. Also, I have a Mustang > that gets 2 to 3 times the gas mileage that this Dodge Truck gets with > the Viper V8. I hope Chrysler falls on its fat rear-end with this silly > project. Newsflash, brainiac: The Viper engine is a V10. > The Big 3 will soon become the Little 3 as Toyota and other > manufacturers surpass them with profits. Toyota is producing an ever > expanding line of high gas mileage Hybrid vehicles and makes a good > profit on each model sold. > > Aghnis Another newsflash: Hybrid advertised gas mileage is basically a load of crap. Have a look at some real world information: http://www.freep.com/money/autoreviews/phelan3e_20050203.htm Joe Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC >"aghnis" <aghnis@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1111991415.992556.320130 >@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > >http://www.freep.com/money/autoreviews/phelan3e_20050203.htm Thanks for that link. Very insightful. I had not heard about the downsides to the hype. The numbers reported in that article are less then a lot of conventional vehicles and that is quite surprising & disappointing. Signature"Maybe worshiping the cross and the painful death rather than the well lived life really has distorted our sense of who we are and what life is about." -- Author unkown >>"aghnis" <aghnis@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1111991415.992556.320130 >>@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > then a lot of conventional vehicles and that is quite surprising & > disappointing. Exactly. Sure, everything should be taken with a grain of salt, but these issues are real. When you run the front defroster or Max A/C on a hybrid, you have to ask yourself where the power is coming from to run those accessories. I also wonder what effect a killer stereo would have on a hybrid's mileage... Joe Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC >> On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 12:16:09 GMT, Joe <avoidingspam@nospam.com> >wrote [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] >run those accessories. I also wonder what effect a killer stereo >would have on a hybrid's mileage... I found it strange that A/C or defroster requires the use of the gasoline powered engine, you would think that they would make those electrically run off the battery segment. Apparently the GM semi-hybrids have effectively dealt with this issue some how. The application of the technology is still fairly young. I suspect that they will work the kinks out sooner or later. I'm surprised no one has sued over false advertising. Signature"Maybe worshiping the cross and the painful death rather than the well lived life really has distorted our sense of who we are and what life is about." -- Author unkown >>> On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 12:16:09 GMT, Joe <avoidingspam@nospam.com> >>wrote [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > electrically run off the battery segment. Apparently the GM > semi-hybrids have effectively dealt with this issue some how. The GM hybrid trucks I've seen apparently don't get much better mileage than their regular counterparts, maybe a couple mpg or so. So, is the $3k-$5k increase in their cost worth a couple mpg savings? The defroster uses the A/C to dry the air, and A/C is, well, just A/C. As you know, in a regular internal combustion engine the compressor runs directly off the belt just like the water pump, p/s, etc. So how does A/C work on a hybrid if it's not running off the internal combustion engine? If it runs strictly from battery, that's gotta kill the power real quick, meaning the ICE will kick in sooner. > The application of the technology is still fairly young. I suspect > that they will work the kinks out sooner or later. I'm surprised no > one has sued over false advertising. I've started seeing more and more flap over the bogus hybrid mileage claims. I suspect that there's a lot of lobbying muscle behind hybrids, so it will be interesting to see how it all plays out. Internal combustion engines are fully capable of 35mpg+, but the buzz is the hybrids. There were plenty of 4-bangers around that could achieve that kind of mileage and better, but the resources are being concentrated elsewhere now. Shame. Joe Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC > Internal combustion engines are fully > capable of 35mpg+, but the buzz [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > but the resources are being concentrated > elsewhere now. Shame. My 3-cyl 90 ci Toyota Echo gets 37 mpg cruising at 80 mph. Sure it's a shitbox, but that's a refreshing change from the 12 mpg my other cars get. You can't argue with the Honda Accord hybrid's approach, however. The Accord hybrid is actually the high performance version of that model. 180 Out one80out@hotmail.com wrote in news:1112200065.870697.231260 @o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com: >> Internal combustion engines are fully >> capable of 35mpg+, but the buzz [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > 180 Out Does the hybrid Honda get better mileage than the Echo? Joe Calypso green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC > Does the hybrid Honda get better mileage than the Echo? 37/25 EPA est for the Honda vs. 39/33 for the Echo. And I doubt if the 37 for the Honda is at 80 mph. In their Dec 04 test report Car & Driver got 26 mpg overall. So I'm agreeing with you, that plain old gas engines are still where it's at for economy-minded. You take the added buy-in costs and the complexity and battery replacements of the hybrid and you really aren't saving money with a Prius or a Civic hybrid. The Accord is different, though. Its electric motor adds 16 hp and 100 lb-ft to the 240 hp, 217 lb-ft of the 3.0 gas engine. 0-to-60 in 6.7 (0.3 quicker than the non-hybrid). What's not to like? 180 Out one80out@hotmail.com wrote in news:1112288273.513180.252020 @o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com: >> Does the hybrid Honda get better mileage than the Echo? > > 37/25 EPA est for the Honda vs. 39/33 for the Echo. And I doubt if the > 37 for the Honda is at 80 mph. In their Dec 04 test report Car & Driver > got 26 mpg overall. That's what I was wondering - real world mileage. EPA figures are fiction. > So I'm agreeing with you, that plain old gas engines are still where > it's at for economy-minded. You take the added buy-in costs and the > complexity and battery replacements of the hybrid and you really aren't > saving money with a Prius or a Civic hybrid. Exactly my point. > The Accord is different, though. Its electric motor adds 16 hp and 100 > lb-ft to the 240 hp, 217 lb-ft of the 3.0 gas engine. 0-to-60 in 6.7 > (0.3 quicker than the non-hybrid). What's not to like? > > 180 Out So the electric runs along with the ICE? Is the ICE running full time? Joe Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC > So the electric runs along with the ICE? > Is the ICE running full time? >From the CD story ( http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_id79&page_number=1 ): "We think average folks wouldn't notice anything about the way it drives, either. Okay, engine off at idle might raise flags, except, 'Is it really off? What's that little noise? There's a vibration, too.' Until you read the manual, the small green 'AUTO STOP' blinking on the cluster is cryptic to the point of huh? "During our summer test motoring, the A/C was always running. The belt-drive compressor (75cc displacement) stops with the engine, but the electric compressor (15cc) maintains cabin coolness and keeps the Accord alive with enough vibration that you could thinkin a Lexus anywaythe engine were still idling. "The 2997cc V-6 has a system to deactivate all the valves on the rear bank. It's programmed to shrink back to three-cylinder operation below 3500 rpm when cruising or coasting, and the others don't come alive even for mild acceleration. Instead, the electric motor readily and seamlessly kicks in to help. Only at higher revs, or if the battery is down, or if significant acceleration is ordered, will all six cylinders join in. One staffer thought he could feel some rough running on three, but most of us could not. This feature is highly successful, effectively cutting consumption in half when the green glows." 180 Out >> So the electric runs along with the ICE? ? >> Is the ICE running full time? > >>From the CD story ( > http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_id=8779 & > page_number=1 ): > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > 180 Out Pretty interesting. I didn't realize there are two compressors. Is the same true for stuff like power steering? How do the power brakes work if the ICE isn't running? Lots of interesting things to consider. Although I'd think the bottom line is that maintenance and repair costs will be through the roof compared to what most of us drive now. Personally, I'd prefer a vehicle with a single source of power rather than multiple powerplants just from the point of simplicity. Joe Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC > When you run the front defroster or Max A/C on a hybrid, you have > to ask yourself where the power is coming from to run those > accessories. I also wonder what effect a killer stereo would > have on a hybrid's mileage... Aside from a little more energy to run the fans at a higher speed, what affect does Max A/C have that running the A/C on its lowest settings, doesn't already produce? I mean, the compressor is already spinning in no matter what. Right? SignatureSean >> When you run the front defroster or Max A/C on a hybrid, you have > > to ask yourself where the power is coming from to run those [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > doesn't already produce? I mean, the compressor is already spinning in > no matter what. Right? Normal A/C cycles on and off, i.e., the ICE shuts off and comes back on to spin the compressor. Max A/C doesn't cycle - the compressor runs full time as does the ICE. This is all regardless of the blower fan setting. Joe Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC Dude, I mistyped, I know the Viper is V10, learn some manners. And the future of vehicles lies in hybrid or hydrogen power, not in the Arabs oil. Aghnis "aghnis" <aghnis@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1112034705.056209.114350 @z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com: > Dude, I mistyped, I know the Viper is V10, learn some manners. And the > future of vehicles lies in hybrid or hydrogen power, not in the Arabs > oil. > > Aghnis Dude, learn how to reply to a post. And don't tell me about manners, you crudling. Don't kid yourself - we haven't seen the _real_ future of vehicles yet. The existing "hybrid" crap that's on the market now is garbage. Joe Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC >"aghnis" <aghnis@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1112034705.056209.114350 >@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >Don't kid yourself - we haven't seen the _real_ future of vehicles >yet. The existing "hybrid" crap that's on the market now is garbage. How much oil usage does it take to produce hydrogen? :) -Rich http://4wheeldrive.about.com/cs/buyacaronline/a/hybridcarstruck_3.htm >Dude, learn how to reply to a post. And don't tell me >about manners, >you crudling. Joe Your meaninless name calling just demeans you. I have poasted many years and you cannot instruct me. I know better than to call names if I want conversation, even if the person disagrees with me. I am on my 3rd computer and am in the process of building a 4th better one. I poast here because I have a Mustang and another sports car. I love these autos, but the future for gasoline engines looks bleak. >Don't kid yourself - we haven't seen the _real_ future of >vehicles >yet. The existing "hybrid" crap that's on the market now >is garbage. Joe The Toyota Hybrid gets 30 mpg with a novice and 40 to 50 mpg with a driver well versed in the hybrid. No doubt they have problems, but they are first generation, and later generations will be better. Also, they need to price them more realistically. Aghnis "aghnis" <aghnis@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1112232177.713166.163690 @z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com: >>Dude, learn how to reply to a post. And don't tell me >about manners, > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > here because I have a Mustang and another sports car. I love these > autos, but the future for gasoline engines looks bleak. Your future for "poasting" looks bleak. You might want to learn how to spell. >>Don't kid yourself - we haven't seen the _real_ future of >vehicles >>yet. The existing "hybrid" crap that's on the market now >is garbage. > Joe > > The Toyota Hybrid gets 30 mpg with a novice and 40 to 50 mpg with a > driver well versed in the hybrid. This is too good: "Well versed in the hybrid". Sounds interesting. BTW, Toyo hybrids don't get 40-50mpg. It says they do, but they really don't. > No doubt they have problems, but they > are first generation, and later generations will be better. Also, they > need to price them more realistically. > > Aghnis Weren't the 1st gens made years ago? Joe Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC The term poasting is used in many NGs, I do many posts and have for several years, and do know how to spell. Regarding the hybrids, they should be redesigned in the near future if they are to be a viable product. Good Day. Aghnis > The term poasting is used in many NGs, I do many posts and have for > several years, and do know how to spell. Regarding the hybrids, they > should be redesigned in the near future if they are to be a viable > product. Good Day. > > Aghnis ? The practice of quoting is used in many NGs.... SignatureJohn C. (dazed and confused) '03 Cobra Convt. Check some far out groups, like alt.alien.visiors, etc. Aghnis >> Go to www.postnewsmarketplace.com, click on autos, then look for >> article entitled "Viper-powered Dodge Ram SRT-10 fastest". [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Again, I hope I didn't offend anybody by that. No offense taken. I would like to inform you though, that you should really try driving a 1st generation lightning. You will change your mind. In my opinion Ford built that truck with everything in mind. Its not super fast, but its quick with the 4.10 gears and 1800 stall(Mine ran 14.85 with a chip, pullies, flowmaster, and K&N). Light to light it keeps up with alot(not from a roll though). It handles better than anything I have ever driven, and I don't just mean better, I mean a helluva lot better. It stops just as fast as a mustang, if not faster. And, i've towed a mustang with it, had a four wheeler in it, and done all the other truck duties in it. Also, it doesn't take much at all to make a Gen 1 fast. All it takes is a little boost and a good tune and these trucks will make insane horsepower. Many stock longblock trucks have run 11's. I have personally seen one(and ridden in it many times) run 12.5 at 110 on stock tires with nothing other than a turbo and some fuel system parts. He was bouncing off the speed limiter at the 1000' mark. That was a full weight, daily driver. Not too shabby if you ask me. Also, I have read articles(haven't seen it in person honestly, never been to autocross) where Gen 1's have beaten M3's, mustangs, vettes, and vipers in the autoX. Again, no offense taken, I just think you should give respect where it is due. Erik D. '94 white lightning '01 white GT >>> Go to www.postnewsmarketplace.com, click on autos, then look for >>> article entitled "Viper-powered Dodge Ram SRT-10 fastest". [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] >'94 white lightning >'01 white GT Man I would like to read an article where anyone in a Gen 1 beat a Vette, Viper or Mustang in an autoX, cause it had to be some version of the Special Olympics. If a dude in a Vette/Viper/M3 can't out drive a dude in a pickup, he should give it up. Signature"Maybe worshiping the cross and the painful death rather than the well lived life really has distorted our sense of who we are and what life is about." -- Author unkown > Man I would like to read an article where anyone in a Gen 1 beat a > Vette, Viper or Mustang in an autoX, cause it had to be some version > of the Special Olympics. If a dude in a Vette/Viper/M3 can't out > drive a dude in a pickup, he should give it up. I used to think that too....until I rode in a Gen 1 lightning. They are really great handling vehicles. If you get the chance you need to take one for a hard spin. I couldn't find what I read on them, in fact I may just be thinking of a post I saw on NLOC. I am in search though and I put a post on nloc if you are interested: http://www.nloc.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=774225#post774225 It very well could have been a case of a bad driver versus a good driver, but still thats impressive for a truck if you ask me. In fact, I think I am gonna go ride around in my truck for a lil while right now! :) Erik D. '94 white lightning '01 white GT >> Man I would like to read an article where anyone in a Gen 1 beat a >> Vette, Viper or Mustang in an autoX, cause it had to be some version [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >driver, but still thats impressive for a truck if you ask me. In fact, >I think I am gonna go ride around in my truck for a lil while right now! :) Having driven pickups of one type or another almost my entire life, I am curious as to how the issue of such a light a.s-end was over come with in the Gen1. It wasn't AWD was it? Signature"Maybe worshiping the cross and the painful death rather than the well lived life really has distorted our sense of who we are and what life is about." -- Author unkown >>> Man I would like to read an article where anyone in a Gen 1 beat a >>> Vette, Viper or Mustang in an autoX, cause it had to be some [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > I am curious as to how the issue of such a light a.s-end was over > come with in the Gen1. It wasn't AWD was it? Out of the box, Gen 1s were low-15 trucks in the 1/4. Basically, my Dak is the same as a Gen 1: RWD big V8 with a slightly improved suspension and bigger wheels/tires. A torquemonster for sure, but certainly no race car. Tons of fun to drive though. Joe Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC >>>> Man I would like to read an article where anyone in a Gen 1 beat a >>>> Vette, Viper or Mustang in an autoX, cause it had to be some [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >suspension and bigger wheels/tires. A torquemonster for sure, but >certainly no race car. Tons of fun to drive though. I am still curious as to how a pickup in any configuration is going to beat a Vette/Viper/Mustang hell maybe even a Mitia in an AutoX course. Yeah you can make a pickup that hauls balls, but handling is an issue that is really hard to over come with it's intrinsic weight distribution problems with a light a.s-end. Signature"Maybe worshiping the cross and the painful death rather than the well lived life really has distorted our sense of who we are and what life is about." -- Author unkown > I am still curious as to how a pickup in any configuration is going to > beat a Vette/Viper/Mustang hell maybe even a Mitia in an AutoX course. > Yeah you can make a pickup that hauls balls, but handling is an issue > that is really hard to over come with it's intrinsic weight > distribution problems with a light a.s-end. The lightning a.s-end is actually not very light. The rear end is housing is bigger than the usual 8.8, the frame is thicker than a regular F150, it is lowered, it has added swaybars, and throw in a full size spare back there and there is a good bit of weight. With the stock suspension in my truck, it hardly spins the tires even with the 4.10s and 1800 rpm stall. It just hooks up and throws you in the seat. Same thing going through turns, it does not come out from underneath you like you think it would. I have driven many other trucks as well, until you drive a Gen 1 lightning you will not understand. While the Dak is similar in performance as far as straight line, it does nothing to compare to the handling of a Gen 1 lightning. The Dak is alot more similar in handling to a Gen 2 lightning, which also fails to compare to a Gen 1. Seriously, I never thought a truck could handle either until I rode in a Gen 1 lightning. Until you ride in one there is no point in me trying to make you understand any more than I have already tried. Seriously though, I would like to hear your honest opinion after you take one for a good hard spin. :) Erik D. '94 white lightning '01 white GT >> I am still curious as to how a pickup in any configuration is going to >> beat a Vette/Viper/Mustang hell maybe even a Mitia in an AutoX course. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > take one for a good hard spin. :) > Erik D. It's doubtful that Erik even knows who I am; but, I know he's been around here for quite a while longer than me (I don't post here much anymore). And if there's one person on here that I would believe is giving out truthful information on a Lightning, it's Erik. And don't ask me why, but I can remember when he bought the truck after having tons of transmission problems with his 93 LX. No Erik, I'm not stalking you! I just remember that white Lightning ;-)! Nice looking truck. SignatureSean > It's doubtful that Erik even knows who I am; but, I know he's been > around here for quite a while longer than me (I don't post here much [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > No Erik, I'm not stalking you! I just remember that white Lightning > ;-)! Nice looking truck. I remember you Sean! Thanks! Erik D. '94 white lightning '01 white GT >> I am still curious as to how a pickup in any configuration is going >> to beat a Vette/Viper/Mustang hell maybe even a Mitia in an AutoX [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > '94 white lightning > '01 white GT I've never driven a Lightning, but the R/T is definitely no slouch when it comes to handling. IIRC, it's got all of the same stuff that the Gen 1 had. BTW, my R/T is the last year it was made. After '03, there's no such thing as a Dakota R/T. Joe Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC > I've never driven a Lightning, but the R/T is definitely no slouch > when it comes to handling. IIRC, it's got all of the same stuff that > the Gen 1 had. BTW, my R/T is the last year it was made. After '03, > there's no such thing as a Dakota R/T. I know the R/T is no slouch, neither is a Gen 2 lightning for that matter. They just don't compare. My good friend has a '93 lightning and his brother has a dakota r/t. They are both very nice and two of the cleanest trucks around. The r/t rides better as far as smoothness, but it just doesn't have quite the sporty feel of a Gen 1 L. Take it into a turn and it definitely does not have the stiffness. These are just my observations though. I really think ya'll should find a Gen 1 to take for a test drive. Erik D. '94 white lightning '01 white GT >> I've never driven a Lightning, but the R/T is definitely no slouch >> when it comes to handling. IIRC, it's got all of the same stuff [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > '94 white lightning > '01 white GT Erik, what are the differences between the Gen 1 and 2 Lightnings? And when did the Gen 2 come into being? Thx. Joe Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC > >>>> Man I would like to read an article where anyone in a Gen 1 beat a > >>>> Vette, Viper or Mustang in an autoX, cause it had to be some > >>>> version of the Special Olympics. If a dude in a Vette/Viper/M3 > >>>> can't out drive a dude in a pickup, he should give it up. > >>>I used to think that too....until I rode in a Gen 1 lightning. They > >>>are really great handling vehicles. If you get the chance you need [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >>>fact, I think I am gonna go ride around in my truck for a lil while > >>>right now! :) > >> Having driven pickups of one type or another almost my entire life, > >> I am curious as to how the issue of such a light a.s-end was over > >> come with in the Gen1. It wasn't AWD was it? > >Out of the box, Gen 1s were low-15 trucks in the 1/4. Basically, my > >Dak is the same as a Gen 1: RWD big V8 with a slightly improved > >suspension and bigger wheels/tires. A torquemonster for sure, but > >certainly no race car. Tons of fun to drive though. > I am still curious as to how a pickup in any configuration is going to > beat a Vette/Viper/Mustang hell maybe even a Mitia in an AutoX course. > Yeah you can make a pickup that hauls balls, but handling is an issue > that is really hard to over come with it's intrinsic weight > distribution problems with a light a.s-end. ZW, The 1st generation Lightnings really do handle well, and I mean well. You wouldn't think so by looking at one, but they do. As good as a 'Vette or Viper, no. As good as an older Fox Mustang, yes. Ford really did there homework on that truck. Patrick '93 Cobra > The 1st generation Lightnings really do handle well, and I mean well. > You wouldn't think so by looking at one, but they do. As good as a > 'Vette or Viper, no. As good as an older Fox Mustang, yes. Ford > really did there homework on that truck. So which would you say handles better, an older Fox Body Mustang or a late generation (2000 - 2004) Mustang? The reason I ask is because my brother in law had a 94 GT, which just seemed to have less roll than my 02 GT. Both were convertibles with nothing done to improve handling. Maybe it was just my imagination, but I swear that his car handled better than mine (on a side note, he sold his before I got mine, so I never had a chance to drive his car again after having gotten used to mine). SignatureSean > Go to www.postnewsmarketplace.com, click on autos, then look for > article entitled "Viper-powered Dodge Ram SRT-10 fastest". [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Aghnis Actually, a 100% stock lightning beat the record breaking truck at my local drag strip. It was a very tight race, I think the L won by about one tenth. The SRT had the MPH though, so it has more power. The L still won the race though! Erik D. '94 white lightning '01 white GT > Actually, a 100% stock lightning beat the record breaking truck at my > local drag strip. It was a very tight race, I think the L won by about > one tenth. The SRT had the MPH though, so it has more power. The L still > won the race though! The other issue I've heard about the SRT's is that if you tow with it, you void the drivetrain warranty. WTF!!! SignatureScott W. '66 Mustang HCS 289 '68 Ranchero 500 302 '69 Mustang Sportsroof 351W ThunderSnake #57 |
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