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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Mustang / April 2005NIGHTHAWK vs. SILVERSTAR
Has anyone tried the new GE NIGHTHAWK Headlights? Are they brighter and better than Sylvania SilverStar Headlights? http://www.ge.com/stories/en/20287.html?category=Product_Home http://www.sylvania.com/ConsumerProducts/AutomotiveLighting/HighPerformance/Silv erstar/default.htm > Has anyone tried the new GE NIGHTHAWK Headlights? Are they brighter > and better than Sylvania SilverStar Headlights? > > http://www.ge.com/stories/en/20287.html?category=Product_Home http://www.sylvania.com/ConsumerProducts/AutomotiveLighting/HighPerformance/Silv erstar/default.htm Daniel Stern was raving about the GE Nighthawks, and totally thrashing the **Sylvania** Silverstars. The picture in the website doesn't seem to show any blue tint to the bulbs. Who in the heck is Daniel Stern? > Daniel Stern was raving about the GE Nighthawks, and totally thrashing > the **Sylvania** Silverstars. The picture in the website doesn't seem > to show any blue tint to the bulbs. > Who in the heck is Daniel Stern? a regular here for approx the past 3 years! This is my first day. > a regular here for approx the past 3 years! > This is my first day. That's obvious. The word Netiquette is lost on you.  SignatureScott W. '66 HCS Mustang 289 '68 Ranchero 500 302 '69 Mustang Sportsroof 351W ThunderSnake #57 http://home.comcast.net/~vanguard92/ > That's obvious. The word Netiquette is lost on you. This is really childish nonsense please *stop* no need to cross post this anymore! >> That's obvious. The word Netiquette is lost on you. > > This is really childish nonsense please *stop* no need to cross post this > anymore! Really? Childish? I agree. I was the FIRST to ask the OP to stop crossposting and had even clipped the groups I don't read from my responses. Instead of just doing the right thing, he goes psycho, crossposting to my non-crossposted responses, claiming TOS violations with my ISP and trying to expose me to spammers. So you're damned right the REST of you can hear about it. This guy is the worst of internet pricks. The one who likes to take the name of a fat, over-the-hill, underachieving, hypertensive, a.shole who has a badge and has a retard for offspring. Great role model. What's his other screenname, Roscoe P. Coltrane?? If you see any more crossposting, it won't be from me. It will be from the OP. SignatureScott W. You are right about your childish part. I believe I have yet to use any childish remarks or cussing. > Really? Childish? I agree. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > If you see any more crossposting, it won't be from me. It will be from the > OP. >>> That's obvious. The word Netiquette is lost on you. >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >If you see any more crossposting, it won't be from me. It will be from the >OP. lmfao another retard and a mustang lmfao someday you will have a real car hurc ast I am still hopeful your computer will suffer a power surge. >> This is my first day. > > That's obvious. The word Netiquette is lost on you. http://www.albion.com/netiquette/corerules.html You broke Rule #1, possibly #2, #5, #6, & #7. > That's obvious. The word Netiquette is lost on you. >> Who in the heck is Daniel Stern? > a regular here for approx the past 3 years! "Here" means rec.autos.tech. A regular since 1994, so he himself has said. SignatureTeGGeR? >> Who in the heck is Daniel Stern? >a regular here for approx the past 3 years! I thought you meant the actor. -Rich Daniel is well versed in automobile lighting issues. > Daniel Stern was raving about the GE Nighthawks, and totally thrashing > the **Sylvania** Silverstars. The picture in the website doesn't seem > to show any blue tint to the bulbs. The SYLVANIA Silverstar line sold in North America includes H1, H3, H4, H7, 9003, 9004, 9005, 9006 and 9007. They have blue glass, produce less light than standard bulbs, and more glare, over a shorter life. The OSRAM Silverstar line sold outside North America includes H1, H4 and H7. They have colorless clear glass, produce more light than standard bulbs, and are generally nifty. The Narva Rangepower+50, OSRAM Silverstar, GE NightHawk, Tungsram Megalicht, Philips VisionPlus and Candlepower Super BrightLight bulbs are all roughly equivalent to one another. A bulb from this list is the one to pick for best seeing. DS Thank you for the advise. I am going to buy some NIGHTHAWKs tomorrow. Thanks again. > The SYLVANIA Silverstar line sold in North America includes H1, H3, H4, > H7, 9003, 9004, 9005, 9006 and 9007. They have blue glass, produce less [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > DS >>Daniel Stern was raving about the GE Nighthawks, and totally thrashing >>the **Sylvania** Silverstars. The picture in the website doesn't seem [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > H7, 9003, 9004, 9005, 9006 and 9007. They have blue glass, produce less > light than standard bulbs, and more glare, over a shorter life. You forgot about the high price. A Sylvania Silverstar 9006 goes for $20-25, while a standard 9006 might be about $8-10. > The OSRAM Silverstar line sold outside North America includes H1, H4 and > H7. They have colorless clear glass, produce more light than standard [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > all roughly equivalent to one another. A bulb from this list is the one to > pick for best seeing. But Sylvania XtraVision is more than acceptable (and affordable), ans easier to find. > > The Narva Rangepower+50, OSRAM Silverstar, GE NightHawk, Tungsram > > Megalicht, Philips VisionPlus and Candlepower Super BrightLight bulbs [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > But Sylvania XtraVision is more than acceptable (and affordable), ans > easier to find. I'm growing continually less and less impressed with Sylvania bulbs' build quality and performance -- even in the Xtravision line. General Electric = American jobs saved > General Electric = American jobs saved How so? Most of the GE bulbs I've seen recently are made in Eastern Europe. Osram-Sylvania still has production in the US. > > General Electric = American jobs saved > > How so? Most of the GE bulbs I've seen recently are made in Eastern > Europe. Many of their miniature bulbs, their European halogens and some of their 9005-9006s are made at the Hungarian Tungsram facility (quality stuff, most of it -- much better than the Chinese crapola Sylvania's been moving to). > Osram-Sylvania still has production in the US. less and less. >>>General Electric = American jobs saved >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > (quality stuff, most of it -- much better than the Chinese crapola > Sylvania's been moving to). I just stopped by Wal-Mart and looked at their selection of GE and Sylvania bulbs. The majority of the Sylvania halogens were made in the US, while the GE's were made in Slovakia or Hungary. Of the mini bulbs, both seemed to be made in various places, including Taiwan, China, Slovakia, Hungary, and Korea. They seem to just buy from wherever they can get the best price. They only carried the more expensive Sylvania halogens (Cool Blue, XtraVision, and Silverstar). >>Osram-Sylvania still has production in the US. > > less and less. That's the way of the world. I was reading an article on a plastics manufacturer in the US who's on hard times. He made a visit to a Chinese plastics factory, and noted how much more advanced the equipment was there that what he could afford. However - I tend to agree that the majority of inexpensive goods made in China are of "lowest bidder" quality. When it comes to clothing, is there really going to be much better quality than Far East labor compared to an American plant with mostly immigrant labor manning sewing machines? > Has anyone tried the new GE NIGHTHAWK Headlights? Are they brighter and > better than Sylvania SilverStar Headlights? > > http://www.ge.com/stories/en/20287.html?category=Product_Home > > http://www.sylvania.com/ConsumerProducts/AutomotiveLighting/HighPerformance/Silv erstar/default.htm See: http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.autos.driving/msg/8f200ad31d300732?dmode =source http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.autos.makers.chrysler/msg/63db8245ec0d55 f5?dmode=source Thanks for the links. > See: > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.autos.driving/msg/8f200ad31d300732?dmode =source > > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.autos.makers.chrysler/msg/63db8245ec0d55 f5?dmode=source Gee wow, now how bout stopping the crosspost. SignatureScott W. '66 HCS Mustang 289 '68 Ranchero 500 302 '69 Mustang Sportsroof 351W ThunderSnake #57 http://home.comcast.net/~vanguard92/ > Thanks for the links. > >> See: >> http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.autos.driving/msg/8f200ad31d300732?dmode =source >> >> http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.autos.makers.chrysler/msg/63db8245ec0d55 f5?dmode=source How about we have you go screw a goat instead? > Gee wow, now how bout stopping the crosspost. > How about we have you go screw a goat instead? f.ck off noob, crossposting is completely unnecessary for this topic. Once the OP got an answer from one group he should have continued posting "to that group". Oh, and thanks for restarting the crosspost you stupid moron. If you hadn't noticed, I clipped the extra groups from my post. Maybe you can stop mouthbreathing long enough to learn something. Got a thing for farm animals huh? Either that or for shitty Pontiac products. Especially the latest Goat. Freak. SignatureScott W. '66 HCS Mustang 289 '68 Ranchero 500 302 '69 Mustang Sportsroof 351W ThunderSnake #57 http://home.comcast.net/~vanguard92/ Another Internet Tough Guy! OH NO! Take a pill RoboCop! Nice blue shitbox you got by the way, lol. > f.ck off noob, crossposting is completely unnecessary for this topic. Once > the OP got an answer from one group he should have continued posting "to [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Freak. One of your COMCAST users responded like a jerk to a post of mine on a newsgroup. I think it breaks your terms of use... > f.ck off noob, crossposting is completely unnecessary for this topic. Once > the OP got an answer from one group he should have continued posting "to [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Freak. Anyway, here is the message header... Path: nwrddc03.gnilink.net!cyclone2.gnilink.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!news.glorb.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local01.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.comcast.com!news.comcast.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 20:40:35 -0500 From: "66 6F HCS" <92bottledance_spammit_@comcast.net> Newsgroups: rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang References: <sWe5e.518$Zn3.437@trnddc02> <hO-dnbnFj-YB48jfRVn-oQ@comcast.com> <Mcf5e.931$H_5.370@trnddc01> <UI-dndNHJdtnR8jfRVn-vw@comcast.com> <03l5e.1143$0c2.768@trnddc08> Subject: Re: NIGHTHAWK vs. SILVERSTAR Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 19:41:02 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Response Message-ID: <x9qdnbViCYyOfMjfRVn-1A@comcast.com> Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.8.10.176 X-Trace: sv3-umKSPI5hRm0QKgI2XuTKeOv0sIl9hmWWSVmatcscmA/cCsl8CZucnBWsZBOjGNOaGnSN5O+nyMXbItn!t+vlVHC+vopy33tFMpXTLcnrXgFziVRCqOmvWMDTqye5ti69TMFHlzAD9Kw= X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@comcast.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.32 Xref: news.verizon.net rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang:189696 X-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 21:40:36 EDT (nwrddc03.gnilink.net) bosstang1969@yahoo.com vanguard92@yahoo.com bosstang1969@comcast.com bosstang1969@comcast.net vanguard92@comcast.com vanguard92@comcast.net Let the spam sniffers have fun with you Scott. Like an idiot, "66 6F HCS" <92bottledance_spammit_@comcast.net> tried to type in message news:x9qdnbViCYyOfMjfRVn-1A@comcast.com... > f.ck off noob, crossposting is completely unnecessary for this topic. Once > the OP got an answer from one group he should have continued posting "to [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Freak. Talk about chill pills! Do you always post like a total a.s? Or are you just suffering through menopause or some other such sh.t? That's the way your mother always liked it. > Talk about chill pills! > > Do you always post like a total a.s? Or are you just suffering through > menopause or some other such sh.t? > Talk about chill pills! > > Do you always post like a total a.s? Or are you just suffering through > menopause or some other such sh.t? Call me a toughguy? Somebody must have abused him badly as a child for him to behave like such a prick. Oh well, no accounting for a.sholes. His priest must've abused him or something and his daddy didn't get bought off by the church. boo hoo. What a tantrum, and to go through all that trouble trying to get the spammers on my back. What's so funny is none of the addy's he posted are even mine. SignatureScott W. '66 HCS Mustang 289 '68 Ranchero 500 302 '69 Mustang Sportsroof 351W ThunderSnake #57 http://home.comcast.net/~vanguard92/ Call you a tough guy? What? Did I stutter? I think you are a liar and a wimp to boot. > Call me a toughguy? Somebody must have abused him badly as a child for him > to behave like such a prick. Oh well, no accounting for a.sholes. His > priest must've abused him or something and his daddy didn't get bought off > by the church. boo hoo. What a tantrum, and to go through all that trouble > trying to get the spammers on my back. What's so funny is none of the > addy's he posted are even mine. > Call you a tough guy? What? Did I stutter? I think you are a liar and a > wimp to boot. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >>trying to get the spammers on my back. What's so funny is none of the >>addy's he posted are even mine. You wouldn't appear quite so STUPID if you could follow along, at least with your own posts anyway. :-) What are you talking about? I guess STUPID is something you do well. Let me give you a "for instance". If your e-mail address is really 351CJ@msn.com and you have made no attempt to disguise it on a public newsgroup then that is STUPID. Oh wait! One more "for instance". If you are the same jerk that started this argument and you think you need to use a different name here then that is also STUPID. > You wouldn't appear quite so STUPID if you could follow along, at least > with your own posts anyway. :-) > What are you talking about? I guess STUPID is something you do well. Let > me give you a "for instance". If your e-mail address is really [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >>You wouldn't appear quite so STUPID if you could follow along, at least >>with your own posts anyway. :-) Go ahead and send me an email, Stupid... LMFAO! If I wanted to e-mail a turd, I'd flush. > Go ahead and send me an email, Stupid... LMFAO! > If I wanted to e-mail a turd, I'd flush. > >>Go ahead and send me an email, Stupid... LMFAO! If you wanted to engage your brain you would have done so and maybe tried lurking around a bit before you jumped in and announced yourself as an imbecile to everyone on your first day here... Everyone has a right to remain IGNORANT, Carry On! Your ignorance is cracking me up. > If you wanted to engage your brain you would have done so and maybe tried > lurking around a bit before you jumped in and announced yourself as an > imbecile to everyone on your first day here... > > Everyone has a right to remain IGNORANT, Carry On! > Everyone has a right to remain IGNORANT, Carry On! You're still talking with this guy? I shitcanned him yesterday. No use wasting time and breath on Roscoe. He's always in "hot pursuit", makes alot of noise, leaves alot of smoke, but never actually CATCHES anyone. Maybe he oughta get Enos in on it. There are more important things in life than wasting my time, in this artificial world of the internet, arguing with the offspring of a bath house felch fest. Once we stop responding and he loses the attention he so badly needs for his life to have meaning, he'll go away. Take care 351CJ. SignatureScott W. '66 HCS Mustang 289 '68 Ranchero 500 302 '69 Mustang Sportsroof 351W ThunderSnake #57 http://home.comcast.net/~vanguard92/ I bought a set of the GE NIGHTHAWK 9007 headlight bulbs on 4/11. They are good, but still not as bright as I wanted. If I had to describe their brightness, I would have to they are pretty close to Sylvania Cool Blues. That being said, I exchanged the NIGHTHAWK bulbs for some Sylvania SilverStar 9007 headlight bulbs on 4/21. MUCH BETTER! The light from the SilverStars is perfectly white and I can see more at night. The light has no blue tint even though the bulb's glass has a blue tint. I like my light bright and white! BTJustice > Has anyone tried the new GE NIGHTHAWK Headlights? Are they brighter and > better than Sylvania SilverStar Headlights? > > http://www.ge.com/stories/en/20287.html?category=Product_Home > > http://www.sylvania.com/ConsumerProducts/AutomotiveLighting/HighPerformance/Silv erstar/default.htm > I bought a set of the GE NIGHTHAWK 9007 headlight bulbs on 4/11. They > are good, but still not as bright as I wanted. If I had to describe [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > light from the SilverStars is perfectly white and I can see more at > night. Congratulations, Buford...you just fell victim to an optical illusion that's more than a hundred years old. The human visual system is a hugely subjective judge of what it sees, and there are lots of ways to fool people into believing they're seeing "better" when they're actually (and measurably, and demonstrably) seeing very much worse. Bluer light (as from Silverstars) and higher levels of foreground light are sure-fire ways of reducing actual seeing performance while causing people to go "Ooh, MUCH BETTER!". Bottom line: You make Sylvania's marketeers happy, but your actual seeing performance is reduced. When you *think* you can see better but you *actually* can't, your safety is reduced. DS What about on the back of the SilverStar box that says regular halogens are at 3200 K whereas the SilverStars are at 4000 K. Daylight is 5400 K. Also, why on the back of the same box are there 3 pictures one of which is a standard halogen, the other a Cool Blue, and the last a SilverStar which shows the standard halogen as a yellow colored light, the Cool Blue a blue color and dimmer, and the SilverStar brighter and whiter? BTJustice >> I bought a set of the GE NIGHTHAWK 9007 headlight bulbs on 4/11. They >> are good, but still not as bright as I wanted. If I had to describe [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > DS > What about on the back of the SilverStar box that says regular halogens are > at 3200 K whereas the SilverStars are at 4000 K. Daylight is 5400 K. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > BTJustice Because the SiverStar box has copy that's designed to make you want to buy SilverStars. Geez, I thought that was so basic it wasn't worth comment. nate Signaturereplace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel That would be false advertising and a lawsuit. Since there is no lawsuit or people filing one I am led to believe their advertising is truthful. BTJustice >> What about on the back of the SilverStar box that says regular halogens >> are at 3200 K whereas the SilverStars are at 4000 K. Daylight is 5400 K. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > nate > That would be false advertising and a lawsuit. Since there is > no lawsuit or people filing one I am led to believe their > advertising is truthful. That's funny. Basically what was cited is a research study that was likely paid for by Sylvania saying that their so-called "whiter" light produces better vision. As far as I can tell, Sylvania would never put out a product that was inherently unsafe to use, but their performace claims for Silverstar seem to be total hogwash. Not only that, but the manufacturer's rated life for the 9007 Silverstar (9007 ST) is 150 hours vs 375 for the XtraVision (9007 XV), 500 for the standard, and 1500 for the long-life version (9007 LL). <http://www.sylvaniaautocatalog.com/sylvania/ProductBrowse_halog.asp?Batchid=46&F igNumber=137> DS knows far more about automotive lighting than anyone else posting to these automotive NGs. When he says that the blue filter on the Silverstars reduces the amount of usable light, I believe him. I've purchased stuff from him before, and if he could make a buck selling Sylvania Silverstar with a good concience that he's selling a superior product, I'm sure he would. What I have bought from him were the **Osram** Silverstar (H1 bulbs) which don't have a blue filtration coating, last longer, cost less, and produce more usuable light than the Sylvania Silverstar. This website has good pictures of the difference I am seeing... http://www.sylvania.com/ConsumerProducts/AutomotiveLighting/HighPerformance/Silv erstar/default.htm And here is a quote for this website... http://www.roadandtravel.com/safetyandsecurity/automotivelighting.htm "According to a research study conducted by the Lighting Research Center at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute (RPI) in Troy, N.Y., SYLVANIA's high performance halogen headlights produce a whiter light that helps improve a driver's ability to see roadside objects, such as street signs. The whiter headlights also help drivers improve their reaction time and avoid potential road hazards." BTJustice > What about on the back of the SilverStar box that says regular halogens > are at 3200 K whereas the SilverStars are at 4000 K. Daylight is 5400 K. [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >> >> DS |
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