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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Mustang / April 2005

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1991 Mustang GT

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William Everette - 08 Apr 2005 07:17 GMT
Wife said car(and I verified) that she lost speed control, got a check
engine light, and the transmission doesn't want to respond correctly (ex.
slow to engage when accelerating after having slowed down for an off ramp,
or speeding up to pass).

First engine scan gave the following errors:

KOEO Codes-                      
23 Throttle Position Sensor is out of range
Memory Codes-                    
31 EGR valve position or exhaust pressure transducer sensor voltage low
63 Throttle Position Sensor voltage too low or grounded    
KOER Codes-                      
12 Cannot control RPM during self check or Idle Speed Control Problem
23 Throttle Position Sensor is out of range

Cleared codes, unplugged TPS and scanned a second time and got these errors:

KOEO Codes-                    
98 Electronic Pressure Control driver failure in control module (or hard
fault)  
63 Throttle Position Sensor voltage too low or grounded    
Memory Codes-                  
11 System Pass                  
KOER Codes-                      
12 Cannot control RPM during self check or Idle Speed Control Problem
23 Throttle Position Sensor is out of range

It's having issues obviously, but it's the Memory code 11 that throws me.
That seems to signify that the electronics are fine but the 98 seems to
mean everything is screwed. This car has some age on it but was kept (I
though well) by the previous family member. Could the TPS, EGR and Speed
Control all be bad at the same time? Or am I looking at a bad ECU supplying
bad voltage to the sensors? I thought I was looking at replacing an ECU at
first. All the parts put together aren't too much to replace, but I'd
prefer a simple fix. Yes, it passed a wiggle test.
Backyard Mechanic - 09 Apr 2005 03:25 GMT
Well, the first thing i'd do is borrow or buy a dvm and confirm 5 v and grd
at the TPS and that the sense wire varied.

If you've had the car a while and never changed the TPS, it's probably due
anyway.

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hurricane 575 @ihotmail.com - 09 Apr 2005 03:41 GMT
>Well, the first thing i'd do is borrow or buy a dvm and confirm 5 v and grd
>at the TPS and that the sense wire varied.
>
>If you've had the car a while and never changed the TPS, it's probably due
>anyway.

lmfao
replacing a good part
lmfao
yup good advice
just through parts at it

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

hurc ast
Andrew - 09 Apr 2005 14:21 GMT
On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 02:41:46 +0000,  wrote:

>>Well, the first thing i'd do is borrow or buy a dvm and confirm 5 v and grd
>>at the TPS and that the sense wire varied.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> hurc ast

Do you have any better advice, or are you just going to keep trolling?

Put up or shut up, you probably don't know the first thing about fixing
his problem. Master Ford tech my a.s.
hurricane 575 @ihotmail.com - 09 Apr 2005 15:54 GMT
>On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 02:41:46 +0000,  wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>Put up or shut up, you probably don't know the first thing about fixing
>his problem. Master Ford tech my a.s.

poor andy
i see you throw parts at cars without diagnosing

typical yankee tech
get some certification

hurc ast
razz - 09 Apr 2005 16:16 GMT
Leave Hurricane alone and he'll go away. He was in the ford group and now
he's trolling in here. He knows sh.t...just cuts and pastes
answers.......not even a tech as you guys can see. Probably some little sh.t
kid taking auto shops in high school, and has no life.

> >On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 02:41:46 +0000,  wrote:
> >
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
>
> hurc ast
Hampton - 09 Apr 2005 17:04 GMT
What's sadder (for hurc) is that he probably is some 45 year-old with a
kid in college.

lmfao

> Leave Hurricane alone and he'll go away. He was in the ford group and
> now he's trolling in here. He knows sh.t...just cuts and pastes
[quoted text clipped - 36 lines]
>>
>> hurc ast
hurricane 575 @ihotmail.com - 09 Apr 2005 17:52 GMT
>What's sadder (for hurc) is that he probably is some 45 year-old with a
>kid in college.
>
>lmfao

nice grammer
whats a"sadder"?????

bwhahahahaha

tard

hurc ast
Hampton - 09 Apr 2005 18:40 GMT
>>What's sadder (for hurc) is that he probably is some 45 year-old with a
>>kid in college.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> hurc ast

Again, you scribble something down and show your stupidity.

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=sadder

It's an adjective to describe the grief and unhappiness your family would
feel if they saw all the tripe you spew.
memset@recorddeal.com - 10 Apr 2005 02:47 GMT
"Grammar". Spelling lesson over.

-Mike

--
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http://www.MeltAwayCellulite.com/

> >What's sadder (for hurc) is that he probably is some 45 year-old with a
> >kid in college.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> hurc ast
hurricane 575 @ihotmail.com - 09 Apr 2005 17:50 GMT
>Leave Hurricane alone and he'll go away. He was in the ford group and now
>he's trolling in here. He knows sh.t...just cuts and pastes
>answers.......not even a tech as you guys can see. Probably some little sh.t
>kid taking auto shops in high school, and has no life.
lmfao
a mustang owner telling a canadian ford master tech he knows sh.t

lmfao
thats funny

hurc ast
Andrew - 09 Apr 2005 18:22 GMT
Hrm, good plan

> Leave Hurricane alone and he'll go away. He was in the ford group and now
> he's trolling in here. He knows sh.t...just cuts and pastes
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>>
>> hurc ast
Andrew - 09 Apr 2005 17:55 GMT
On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 14:54:25 +0000,  wrote:

>>On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 02:41:46 +0000,  wrote:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
>
> hurc ast

WTF are you talking about, first I'm not a mechanic by trade. Second,
there is nothing wrong with my car. When there is I have a 7 year warranty
so i don't have to "get some certification". All that aside, I still bet I
know more about the internals of my vehicles than you ever will.
hurricane 575 @ihotmail.com - 09 Apr 2005 18:53 GMT
>On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 14:54:25 +0000,  wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
>so i don't have to "get some certification". All that aside, I still bet I
>know more about the internals of my vehicles than you ever will.

lmfao
a yankee WANNABEEEE
really
let me ask ya a question about your car
when it left the factory
was the suspension tuned to
and WHY ??
oversteer
understeer
neuteral steer

come on pick one

lmfao
U GO GIRL

hurc ast
Andrew - 09 Apr 2005 21:51 GMT
On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 17:53:15 +0000,  wrote:

>>On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 14:54:25 +0000,  wrote:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 51 lines]
>
> hurc ast

There you go,  you are an alignment guy.

You probably work at Sears making $7.00/hr to change oil. I'll bet you are
one of those that forgets to put it back in too.

Sorry, I won't fall into your little troll trap. Put up or shut up.
hurricane 575 @ihotmail.com - 10 Apr 2005 00:27 GMT
>On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 17:53:15 +0000,  wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 60 lines]
>
>Sorry, I won't fall into your little troll trap. Put up or shut up.

lmfao
thats what i thought
u dont know

lmfao
canadian techs are certified in all areas
wheres the asyson wire located on your car?

hurc ast
Andrew - 10 Apr 2005 01:14 GMT
On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 23:27:38 +0000,  wrote:

>>On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 17:53:15 +0000,  wrote:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 70 lines]
>
> hurc ast

It's the audio system on wire that connects to my stereo and
activates the remote control modules when I hit the power button. The
other end of the wire connects to the rear control panel.

Game over bubba.
hurricane 575 @ihotmail.com - 10 Apr 2005 01:23 GMT
>On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 23:27:38 +0000,  wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 78 lines]
>
>Game over bubba.

lmfao
again u failed year one apprentice Test
i asked where it was LOCATED tard
a real tech learns to READ
so where is it LOCATED
typical yankee
no wonder canada designs USAs miltary high tech
weapons
bwhahahaha
bin laden RULES

hurc ast
William Everette - 09 Apr 2005 21:39 GMT
As cheap as they are. I replaced the TPS and EVP. EVP code changed from 31
to 34 (voltage too high, it was reading too low). I cleaned the EGR and got
it moving smoothly enough that vacuum will move it. Cleaned IAC but still
getting code 12. TPS showing good voltage and variation. Still getting code
63 for TPS. No more code 98. Still looking like either it all needs
replaced, or the ECU is acting odd. got 12.5 volts at IAC. Is there any way
for me to test the IAC? AFAIK, this TPS is non-adjustable. It's putting out
the highest voltage at idle. And reduces as I increase throttle. Is this
correct?
William Everette - 09 Apr 2005 21:58 GMT
Replaced the IAC. Code 12 is gone. Next.
William Everette - 09 Apr 2005 22:04 GMT
This is the current scan info.

O,R,C code 34 - EGR Voltage High or sensor fault

C code 63 - TPS voltage too low or grounded
Stephan Rose - 11 Apr 2005 13:38 GMT
>This is the current scan info.
>
>O,R,C code 34 - EGR Voltage High or sensor fault
>
>C code 63 - TPS voltage too low or grounded

Can you check the actual EGR and TPS Voltages? Post some numbers?

--
Stephan
2001 Yamaha YZF-R6
William Everette - 12 Apr 2005 21:19 GMT
I need to swap out the TPS. Auto store gave me the wrong one. I'll get
voltages tonight if it doesn't rain.
 
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