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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Mustang / April 2005A Next Camaro Takes A Step Forward?
Sounds good! At least GM is now publically talking about a new Camaro. Let's keep our fingers crossed. --- By Ed Garsten General Motors Corp. is working on a new rear-wheel-drive platform that could be the basis for a vehicle reminiscent of the departed Chevrolet Camaro and Pontiac Firebird sport coupes. "We're going to take another look at high performance rear-wheel drive," GM Vice Chairman Bob Lutz said Tuesday at the Society of Automotive Engineers' 2005 World Congress. In March, GM suspended plans to bring out a new generation of rear-wheel-drive vehicles for the North American market, citing uncompetitive costs. The new platform -- known internally as Zeta -- served as the underpinnings for the popular Buick Velite concept car that debuted on the 2004 auto show circuit. Jim Queen, GM vice president of global engineering, told The Detroit News in an interview this week that the automaker is now working on a rear-wheel-drive platform that would be more cost-effective, and could result in a Camaro-like vehicle. "There's a Camaro hook in all of us," Queen said. "It may not be a Camaro, but there's a lot of us inside our company and outside our company that feel very passionate about it." Queen said the new platform, or architecture, could be some form of Zeta or the Sigma rear-wheel-drive architecture used by Cadillac's new rear-wheel-drive sedans and crossover. "It's going to be something I sort of call Zeta-light," Lutz said. The Camaro and its twin, the Pontiac Firebird, were favorites of young drivers who loved tooling around in a powerful, muscle car at a moderate price. But the cars fell from favor in the late 1990s as young consumers shifted to sport utility vehicles and front-wheel drive passenger cars and production ended in 2002. --- Patrick '93 Cobra > Sounds good! At least GM is now publically talking about a new Camaro. > Let's keep our fingers crossed. I wonder what brought this on? Duh!  SignatureJohn ThunderSnake #59 > > Sounds good! At least GM is now publically talking about a new Camaro. > > Let's keep our fingers crossed. > I wonder what brought this on? Duh! John, You got that right! And you know the enthusiats inside GM have to whinning like hell about wanting to get a new Camaro built to steal some of that strong pony car sales. Patrick '93 Cobra >> > Sounds good! At least GM is now publically talking about a new >Camaro. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >Patrick >'93 Cobra lmfao real men drive corvettes hurc ast >>> > Sounds good! At least GM is now publically talking about a new >>Camaro. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > hurc ast You mean those guys with a bald spot, big paunch and lots of gold chains? Betcha like that don't ya? C'mon bitch, admit it... The only question for a new Camaro is why? It's a POS, no one wanted it then, what makes GM think anyone will want it now? Brad PS: Anyone seen GM's stock lately. They are now firmly placed as #3 in Detroit. GM has reported that they will lose one billion dollars in the next six months. Hey hurc, were you dumb enough to invest in that POS? >> > Sounds good! At least GM is now publically talking about a new > Camaro. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > whinning like hell about wanting to get a new Camaro built to steal > some of that strong pony car sales. All I can say is that the LT-1 and LS-1 motors are excellent IMNSHO. The Tremec T56 transmission is of course excellent as well. It's a Tremec. But, the last Camaro / Firebird's fit and finish, and structural rigidity ARE FOR sh.t. I won't be impressed until they address that and the cheap-a.s 80s Cavalier interior controls. The 97 "ooh-ahh 30th anniversary" SS my brother-in-law owns now as 120,000 on it. Drivetrain? Still nearly as good as ever. Interior, paint and rubber? sh.t. Its seats are coming apart, window and driver's seat motors don't work, plastic switches are popping out, and the cowl shake and t-top leaks are RIDICULOUS. The CD player crapped out 2 years ago. And it's still being paid for. He now hates it, and wishes he'd bought the 96 Mustang GT instead. I bite my tongue when he bitches. "How much for xyz and I still have a leaky, jaunty piece of sh.t I can't work on? Great..." SignatureWound Up ThunderSnake #65 >Sounds good! At least GM is now publically talking about a new Camaro. > Let's keep our fingers crossed. [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] >drivers who loved tooling around in a powerful, muscle car at a >moderate price. I should point out that the price of those cars was NOT moderate by any strech of the imagination when they went out. Fully outfitted models went for almost $40,000 and when you factor in the insurance (they had twice the accident claims cost as the average Mustang) that "young person" could easily pay for a higher-end American, European or Japanese car (non-sports). The idea of using a Cadillac platform or any components means they're making the same STUPID mistake they made with the GTO; A car whose cost was only exceeded by it's boredom factor. -Rich If this is GM's strong statement regarding a new Camaro I sure hope the mullet heads aren't holding their breath waiting on an F-body replacement. Terms like "working on", "take another look", "could result" and "It may not be a Camaro" doesn't exactly show a strong commitment. Sounds like a lot of GM BS to me. > Sounds good! At least GM is now publically talking about a new Camaro. > Let's keep our fingers crossed. [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > Patrick > '93 Cobra I thought GM dumped the Zeta platform. We even read it in here somewhere. Joe Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC > If this is GM's strong statement regarding a new Camaro I sure hope > the mullet heads aren't holding their breath waiting on an F-body [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] >> Patrick >> '93 Cobra Sorry to answer my own post, but I knew I read that the Zeta platform was dead: http://www.forbes.com/home/columnists/2005/03/25/cz_jf_0325flint.html http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosinsider/0503/21/A01-123402.htm Joe Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC Joe <avoidingspam@nospam.com> wrote in news:OyD7e.78868$wo1.24219 @bignews6.bellsouth.net: > I thought GM dumped the Zeta platform. We even read it in here > somewhere. [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] >>> Patrick >>> '93 Cobra I thought the same thing when I read the article but was too lazy to check it out on Google. This must be an old story. > Sorry to answer my own post, but I knew I read that the Zeta platform > was dead: [quoted text clipped - 79 lines] >>>>Patrick >>>>'93 Cobra The stories in the links I posted are about 3 weeks old. BTW, Michael, I have to ask you a couple questions about engineering. My son's a high school soph interested in getting into that field. I'll send you an e-mail later on. Joe Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC > I thought the same thing when I read the article but was too lazy to > check it out on Google. This must be an old story. [quoted text clipped - 82 lines] >>>>>Patrick >>>>>'93 Cobra I would be happy to help out. I think you have my email address. If not, let me know. I'm glad to see that he is thinking of engineering. IMO, this country is turning out far too few engineers and we will feel the effects of this in the upcoming decades. The good side is that the few that do have a B.S. degree in engineering will be a valuable commodity. > The stories in the links I posted are about 3 weeks old. > [quoted text clipped - 115 lines] >>>>>>Patrick >>>>>>'93 Cobra Thanks, Michael. Is your correct email the netscape one or the one in your header below? > I would be happy to help out. I think you have my email address. > If not, let me know. [quoted text clipped - 128 lines] >>>>>>>Patrick >>>>>>>'93 Cobra Use Mi#ke#J9#11#6@netscape.net Just remove the "#" symbols. > Thanks, Michael. Is your correct email the netscape one or the one in > your header below? [quoted text clipped - 131 lines] >>>>>>>>Patrick >>>>>>>>'93 Cobra That's the one I've got. Thanks - I'll send something out to you this weekend. > Use Mi#ke#J9#11#6@netscape.net Just remove the "#" symbols. > [quoted text clipped - 134 lines] >>>>>>>>>Patrick >>>>>>>>>'93 Cobra Good catch, Joe ;). -Mike -- Melt away the Cellulite with Cellulean! http://www.MeltAwayCellulite.com/ > Sorry to answer my own post, but I knew I read that the Zeta platform > was dead: [quoted text clipped - 73 lines] > >>> Patrick > >>> '93 Cobra At my advanced stage of life I don't remember too much, but I did remember the Zeta thing. Maybe because it made me think of Catherine Zeta-Jones... ;) Joe Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC <memset@recorddeal.com> wrote in news:xNO7e.1228$JJ2.654 @newssvr12.news.prodigy.com: > Good catch, Joe ;). > [quoted text clipped - 81 lines] >> >>> Patrick >> >>> '93 Cobra Who happens to be quite a looker ;). *Almost* hot enough to make me go to t-mobile.. -Mike -- Melt away the Cellulite with Cellulean! http://www.MeltAwayCellulite.com/ > At my advanced stage of life I don't remember too much, but I did > remember the Zeta thing. Maybe because it made me think of Catherine [quoted text clipped - 112 lines] > >> >>> Patrick > >> >>> '93 Cobra I'll stay with AT&T (now Cingular) because I get a company discount. But I'll watch the T-Mobile commercials any time... ;) Joe Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC > Who happens to be quite a looker ;). *Almost* hot enough to make me > go to t-mobile.. [quoted text clipped - 127 lines] >> >> >>> Patrick >> >> >>> '93 Cobra Plus she goes for old farts (i.e. Michael Douglas) like you and I. :) > I'll stay with AT&T (now Cingular) because I get a company discount. > But I'll watch the T-Mobile commercials any time... ;) [quoted text clipped - 177 lines] >>>>>>>>Patrick >>>>>>>>'93 Cobra What, are you saying there's hope? > Plus she goes for old farts (i.e. Michael Douglas) like you and I. :) [quoted text clipped - 180 lines] >>>>>>>>>Patrick >>>>>>>>>'93 Cobra There is a chance. Maybe one in 10,000,000 but there is hope. > What, are you saying there's hope? > [quoted text clipped - 186 lines] >>>>>>>>>>Patrick >>>>>>>>>>'93 Cobra |
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