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Erik D. - 15 Apr 2005 22:51 GMT
Well, it has nothing to do with cars or anything, but I've been around
this newsgroup long enough to feel like i've made a few friends here.  I
just thought I would share that yesterday I proposed to my girlfriend
and now I am officially engaged!!!  It feels great and I can't wait to
get married!!!!!!
Erik D.
'94 white lightning
'01 white GT
Ralph Snart - 15 Apr 2005 22:53 GMT
> Well, it has nothing to do with cars or anything, but I've been around
> this newsgroup long enough to feel like i've made a few friends here.  I
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> '94 white lightning
> '01 white GT

Get back with us 2 years after you say 'I do'......
Erik D. - 15 Apr 2005 23:28 GMT
> Get back with us 2 years after you say 'I do'......

I do  ;)

I mean, I will do!!

Erik D.
'94 white lightning
'01 white GT
WindsorFox[SS] - 16 Apr 2005 19:40 GMT
>> Get back with us 2 years after you say 'I do'......
>
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> '94 white lightning
> '01 white GT

   Congrats, hey, if there's free food, I'll come to the wedding :-P

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memset@recorddeal.com - 16 Apr 2005 23:38 GMT
Or booze!!

-Mike

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> >> Get back with us 2 years after you say 'I do'......
> >
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> You can quote me.
>                       - Quaestor
Spike - 16 Apr 2005 00:35 GMT
Remember... two can live as cheaply as one.... for half as long....
: )

>> Well, it has nothing to do with cars or anything, but I've been around
>> this newsgroup long enough to feel like i've made a few friends here.  I
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>
>Get back with us 2 years after you say 'I do'......

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ZombyWoof - 17 Apr 2005 02:00 GMT
>Remember... two can live as cheaply as one.... for half as long....
> : )

But it feels like four times as long.

>>> Well, it has nothing to do with cars or anything, but I've been around
>>> this newsgroup long enough to feel like i've made a few friends here.  I
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Joe - 15 Apr 2005 23:11 GMT
> Well, it has nothing to do with cars or anything, but I've been
> around this newsgroup long enough to feel like i've made a few
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> '94 white lightning
> '01 white GT

Congratulations, Erik.  Best of luck to you two.  I'm sure you know
it, but just remember that life as you've known it is over forever...

Joe
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Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC
Erik D. - 15 Apr 2005 23:27 GMT
> Congratulations, Erik.  Best of luck to you two.  I'm sure you know
> it, but just remember that life as you've known it is over forever...

Thanks Joe!  Life as I knew it was over the day I met her......but I
wouldn't want it any other way.
Erik D.
'94 white lightning
'01 white GT
Joe - 16 Apr 2005 01:34 GMT
"Erik D." <jdauenha@bellsouth.net> wrote in news:42603FE2.1070602
@bellsouth.net:

>> Congratulations, Erik.  Best of luck to you two.  I'm sure you know
>> it, but just remember that life as you've known it is over forever...
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> '94 white lightning
> '01 white GT

Cool - sounds like you two will do just fine.  Again, best to you
both.

Joe
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Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC
one80out@hotmail.com - 15 Apr 2005 23:33 GMT
> life as you've known it is over forever...

Yeah, home cooking 7 nights a week, sex whenever you want, clean
clothes appear in the drawer all by themselves, always someone handy to
pump that brake pedal or hand you that wrench, always someone to listen
to your b***ing -- married life is awful!

Congrats, Erik

180 Out
Joe - 16 Apr 2005 01:33 GMT
one80out@hotmail.com wrote in news:1113604408.769063.169880
@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

>> life as you've known it is over forever...
>
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>
> 180 Out

Who said anything it being awful?

Joe
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Wound Up - 16 Apr 2005 04:08 GMT
> one80out@hotmail.com wrote in news:1113604408.769063.169880
> @g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
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>
> Who said anything it being awful?

No one.  Zero.

Best regards.

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Stephan Rose - 16 Apr 2005 18:03 GMT
>one80out@hotmail.com wrote in news:1113604408.769063.169880
>@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
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>
>Who said anything it being awful?

I think he was being sarcastic when he said awful =)

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Wound Up - 17 Apr 2005 01:29 GMT
>>one80out@hotmail.com wrote in news:1113604408.769063.169880
>>@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
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>
> I think he was being sarcastic when he said awful =)

Yeah... the copious amounts of sex, the cooking of sumptuous meals for each
other, the unconditional love, all the emotional support, and the
companionship and complete understanding.  After 10 years, I can just barely
stand it.  It's simply dreadful.  Jesus, to be single again!  Oh, sweet
Death, take me now. ; )

Bully, Erik.  A hearty congrats, and best of luck in the future.

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ZombyWoof - 17 Apr 2005 01:58 GMT
On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 13:03:11 -0400, Stephan Rose
<ker-spam-mos@kermos-no-spam-reversed.net> wrote something wonderfully
witty:

>>one80out@hotmail.com wrote in news:1113604408.769063.169880
>>@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
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>
>I think he was being sarcastic when he said awful =)

Hell I thought he was being sarcastic in his opening sentence.
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ZombyWoof - 17 Apr 2005 01:57 GMT
>> life as you've known it is over forever...
>
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>
>180 Out

Hell my wife thinks that Washing, Cooking & f.cking are all cities in
China.
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WindsorFox[SS] - 17 Apr 2005 04:15 GMT
>>>life as you've known it is over forever...
>>
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> Hell my wife thinks that Washing, Cooking & f.cking are all cities in
> China.

    You need to correct her, f.cking is in Austriia.
http://shamikaserver.com/ssforums/showthread.php?t=5441

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SVTKate - 16 Apr 2005 00:19 GMT
I know you have waited and planned a LONG time for this Erik.
Congratulations to you both.

180 is right, and it goes both ways.

I wish you both all the best that life has to offer.

Kate

| Well, it has nothing to do with cars or anything, but I've been around
| this newsgroup long enough to feel like i've made a few friends here.  I
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| '94 white lightning
| '01 white GT
omarsimms25793@hotmail.com - 16 Apr 2005 02:28 GMT
>Well, it has nothing to do with cars or anything, but I've been around
>this newsgroup long enough to feel like i've made a few friends here.  I
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>'94 white lightning
>'01 white GT

you are one sick f.ck
she is FAT

hurc ast
RichA - 16 Apr 2005 02:45 GMT
>Well, it has nothing to do with cars or anything, but I've been around
>this newsgroup long enough to feel like i've made a few friends here.  I
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>'94 white lightning
>'01 white GT

"Honey; Do you really NEED that big, noisy white truck?  We could do
with a new addition."  :)
-Rich
SVTKate - 16 Apr 2005 10:59 GMT
Funny...
I was thinking more like
"Honey... Ohhhhh do *I* get to drive the truck?"

It's all a matter of perspective.

| >Well, it has nothing to do with cars or anything, but I've been around
| >this newsgroup long enough to feel like i've made a few friends here.  I
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| with a new addition."  :)
| -Rich
Erik D. - 16 Apr 2005 20:28 GMT
> Funny...
> I was thinking more like
> "Honey... Ohhhhh do *I* get to drive the truck?"
>
> It's all a matter of perspective.

Funny thing is that I proposed to her in the truck!!
Erik D.
'94 white lightning
'01 white GT
memset@recorddeal.com - 16 Apr 2005 23:38 GMT
Then it is yours for life. You can't get rid of it even if you wanted to
now.

-Mike

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> > Funny...
> > I was thinking more like
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> '94 white lightning
> '01 white GT
SVTKate - 17 Apr 2005 01:12 GMT
I agree completely!

| Then it is yours for life. You can't get rid of it even if you wanted to
| now.
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| > '94 white lightning
| > '01 white GT
ZombyWoof - 17 Apr 2005 01:59 GMT
>>Well, it has nothing to do with cars or anything, but I've been around
>>this newsgroup long enough to feel like i've made a few friends here.  I
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>with a new addition."  :)
>-Rich

Baby, we really do need a mini van and I just saw a really pretty blue
one.
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Jim Warman - 16 Apr 2005 05:53 GMT
Congrats, Erik....

31 years with Mrs. mechanic... hasn't all been a bed of roses but I don't
regret one singlew moment.
> Well, it has nothing to do with cars or anything, but I've been around
> this newsgroup long enough to feel like i've made a few friends here.  I
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> '94 white lightning
> '01 white GT
Joe Cilinceon - 16 Apr 2005 11:01 GMT
> Well, it has nothing to do with cars or anything, but I've been around
> this newsgroup long enough to feel like i've made a few friends here.
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> '94 white lightning
> '01 white GT
Congraulations Erik and I've been married 40 years, so it can last. g

Oh, 4 kids, 17 grandkids and 1 great grand son later.

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memset@recorddeal.com - 16 Apr 2005 23:38 GMT
Congrats bro =). Send pics.

-Mike

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> Well, it has nothing to do with cars or anything, but I've been around
> this newsgroup long enough to feel like i've made a few friends here.  I
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> '94 white lightning
> '01 white GT
ZombyWoof - 17 Apr 2005 01:56 GMT
>Well, it has nothing to do with cars or anything, but I've been around
>this newsgroup long enough to feel like i've made a few friends here.  I
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>'94 white lightning
>'01 white GT

As I read this the Queen song "Another one bites the dust" was
playing.
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Carl Childers - 07 May 2005 22:24 GMT
> Well, it has nothing to do with cars or anything, but I've been around
> this newsgroup long enough to feel like i've made a few friends here.  I
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> '94 white lightning
> '01 white GT

Better look into a prenuptial agreement.

Almost 50% of all marriages end up in divorce. If you have any kids, she'll
most likely get full custody, at least half of all marital assets, as well
as a portion of whatever you make for the next two decades.

Good luck and best wishes. :)
Joe - 08 May 2005 01:49 GMT
>> Well, it has nothing to do with cars or anything, but I've been
>> around this newsgroup long enough to feel like i've made a few
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>
> Good luck and best wishes. :)

So why bother getting married then?  With this mindset, why not just
keep dating?
Michael Johnson, PE - 08 May 2005 03:33 GMT
>>>Well, it has nothing to do with cars or anything, but I've been
>>>around this newsgroup long enough to feel like i've made a few
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> So why bother getting married then?  With this mindset, why not just
> keep dating?

Nowadays the man is just as likely to clean up in a divorce as the woman
and get custody of the kids too.  Just a fringe benefit of the Women's
Movement.
AW - 08 May 2005 13:35 GMT
> Nowadays the man is just as likely to clean up in a divorce as the woman
> and get custody of the kids too.  Just a fringe benefit of the Women's
> Movement.

This is absolutely true, but only if you get a good judge and an even
better lawyer. I've had 100% full custody of my kid for almost 10 years
now.
Michael Johnson, PE - 08 May 2005 17:36 GMT
>>Nowadays the man is just as likely to clean up in a divorce as the woman
>>and get custody of the kids too.  Just a fringe benefit of the Women's
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> better lawyer. I've had 100% full custody of my kid for almost 10 years
> now.

Tyipically the spouse that earns more money is the one who pays.
AW - 08 May 2005 17:49 GMT
>>>Nowadays the man is just as likely to clean up in a divorce as the woman
>>>and get custody of the kids too.  Just a fringe benefit of the Women's
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>
> Tyipically the spouse that earns more money is the one who pays.

My ex-wife pays nothing (there is no order for her to believe it or not),
nor does she cover the medical expenses required by the court. She also of
course doesn't bother to call on birthdays or christmas either.

It's all good though, he's better for it in the long run.
Michael Johnson, PE - 08 May 2005 22:44 GMT
>>>>Nowadays the man is just as likely to clean up in a divorce as the woman
>>>>and get custody of the kids too.  Just a fringe benefit of the Women's
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>
> It's all good though, he's better for it in the long run.

It's better that she leaves no impression rather than a bad one.
Carl Childers - 20 May 2005 01:01 GMT
> >>Nowadays the man is just as likely to clean up in a divorce as the woman
> >>and get custody of the kids too.  Just a fringe benefit of the Women's
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>
> Tyipically the spouse that earns more money is the one who pays.

More "tyipical" divorce stats from "Michael Johnson, PE" that stand
diametrically opposed to reality.

Is slinging sh.t on usenet a hobby or an occupation for you?
Michael Johnson, PE - 21 May 2005 00:00 GMT
>>>>Nowadays the man is just as likely to clean up in a divorce as the woman
>>>>and get custody of the kids too.  Just a fringe benefit of the Women's
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>
> Is slinging sh.t on usenet a hobby or an occupation for you?

I see you're providing that irrefutable evidence for your own claims.
Have you looked up the definition of hypocrisy yet?
Spike - 21 May 2005 01:45 GMT
You argue your points quite well. Extremely similar to the format used
by those suffering from a depressive mood disorder. It has that same
ring of distorted reality. It also bears the argumentative approach in
which nothing said in contradiction would be accepted no matter what
the degree of evidence. There fore, it would seem pointless to even
carry on a conversation with you, since you would reject anything
which disagreed with your position.

>>>>>Nowadays the man is just as likely to clean up in a divorce as the woman
>>>>>and get custody of the kids too.  Just a fringe benefit of the Women's
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>I see you're providing that irrefutable evidence for your own claims.
>Have you looked up the definition of hypocrisy yet?

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Joe - 21 May 2005 02:02 GMT
Spike, if you're talking about Michael, you've got him all wrong.  
I've known him for years, and he's a guy you'd want to have as your
next door neighbor.

If you're not talking somebody else, sorry to have interrupted.

> You argue your points quite well. Extremely similar to the format
> used by those suffering from a depressive mood disorder. It has that
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Michael Johnson, PE - 21 May 2005 04:39 GMT
I'm not sure what dog you have in this fight but to put my position in
layman's terms, if Mr. Childers wants to set the rules of verbal combat
between us then I expect him to follow them too.

As a side note, how you leaped from reading my posts to determining I
have a depressive mood disorder shows you have quite a talent.  Try and
put it to a constructive use instead of wasting it here in ramfm. ;)

> You argue your points quite well. Extremely similar to the format used
> by those suffering from a depressive mood disorder. It has that same
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Spike - 21 May 2005 05:46 GMT
I made no diagnosis. I simply observed that the approach is quite
similar, and the end result about the same. People's positions on a
variety of subjects are unlikely to be changed under any
circumstances. Yours appeared to hold fast to the belief that
everything has equaled out everywhere, and the numbers of dissenters
would seem to point in the opposite direction, at least in some
geographical regions. No affront was intended.

>I'm not sure what dog you have in this fight but to put my position in
>layman's terms, if Mr. Childers wants to set the rules of verbal combat
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>> Vintage 40 Wheels 16X8"
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Michael Johnson, PE - 21 May 2005 07:22 GMT
> I made no diagnosis. I simply observed that the approach is quite
> similar, and the end result about the same. People's positions on a
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> would seem to point in the opposite direction, at least in some
> geographical regions. No affront was intended.

Then none taken.  Here's my take on this whole little episode between
Mr. Childers and myself.  Eric starts a good natured thread that was
intended to inform us of his engagement which the bulk of initial
responses were positive.  Mr. Childers throws a bucket of slop in the
mix with his prenup comment.  I don't respond as I really didn't have an
ax to grind regarding his comment.

Joe then made a response to him and then I made a response to Joe.  Now
my response was mostly a tongue-in-cheek response to Joe that happens in
ramfm numerous times a day on many topics.  It is kind of like sitting
in a bar having a few drinks with friends and sharing mostly meaningless
banter.  I'm sure you've done this and I would even wager Mr. Childers
has done the same.  Now Joe knows I'm just spouting off.  My definition
of spouting off means making a remark that has a mixture of exaggeration
and truth.  Joe and I have "spouted off" to each other quite a bit over
the years.  He can recognize it easily and knows I'm no looking to have
my views published in a journal as irrefutable truth.

Now here comes Mr. Childers wearing his Harvard Debate Team jacket,
fresh from the dry cleaners, asking me to provide proof to back up my
tongue-in-cheek remark.  Now why he felt the need to take a
tongue-in-cheek response I made to Joe and turn it into a pissing match
I can't say.  Now maybe I'm the only one here that sees the irony in him
requesting me to provide credible statistics to back up my claim while
he doesn't bother to show any credible statistics to show I am wrong.
Maybe he just plain doesn't like me for whatever reason and felt the
need to put me in my place.  I'll be the first to admit that I'm not the
sharpest knife in the drawer but don't come at me with the lame a.s,
hypocritical logic that he used.  We can spend the next three days
analyzing this mess like we are Sigmund Freud wannabees but my country
boy common sense tells me Mr. Childers, for whatever reason, has a cob
up his rectum and he needs to remove it so he is not so easily irritated
by any future "spouting off" I may indulge in. ;)

>>I'm not sure what dog you have in this fight but to put my position in
>>layman's terms, if Mr. Childers wants to set the rules of verbal combat
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Spike - 21 May 2005 08:30 GMT
If you caught my remark about prenup (which I personally find
objectionable unless I was Bill gates or whatever) you might have
noted the tongue in cheek response about not needing one EXCEPT to
cover my car.... Some of these threads are entertaining, and the
banter is fun (except when the trolls come out to play - and then I
wish I was back in Vietnam hunting ducks with 40mm grenades, or
fishing with hand grenades and slap flares.... the grenade knocks 'em
out and the flare cooks 'em...).  Either way, it relieves any tension.
Still. But at times, it reaches a point where nobody's making any
converts, and things get testy. As they say, "make a civil statement,
start a civil war." Anyway, it's been real... or as Paris says, "It's
hot." : ) and it's time to drag my oldster body off to the rack.
Cheers!

>> I made no diagnosis. I simply observed that the approach is quite
>> similar, and the end result about the same. People's positions on a
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Michael Johnson, PE - 21 May 2005 15:03 GMT
Agreed.

> If you caught my remark about prenup (which I personally find
> objectionable unless I was Bill gates or whatever) you might have
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ZombyWoof - 21 May 2005 16:50 GMT
>If you caught my remark about prenup (which I personally find
>objectionable unless I was Bill gates or whatever) you might have
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>hot." : ) and it's time to drag my oldster body off to the rack.
>Cheers!

Well it is good to know that I am not the only "old" feller here in
this nest of whimper snappers.  I would trade war stories some time,
but memories are not quite as found as yours.  My fish usually were
throwing grenades back.  Duck hunting with fully automatic fire
weapons was an interesting diversion, but sort of took all the sport
out of it.  I ended up doing a full bit and retired in `94.  Well at
least from that rat race, I then joined another one chasing the all
mighty dollar.  I knew I should have never had kids in my 30's.  I'm
never going to get all these damn student loans paid off.
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Spike - 21 May 2005 21:40 GMT
I'm not old.... my body is..... and we didn't just hunt ducks and fish
in the Mekong. We belonged to the VC Hunting Club.

>>If you caught my remark about prenup (which I personally find
>>objectionable unless I was Bill gates or whatever) you might have
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>mighty dollar.  I knew I should have never had kids in my 30's.  I'm
>never going to get all these damn student loans paid off.

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ZombyWoof - 22 May 2005 03:37 GMT
>I'm not old.... my body is..... and we didn't just hunt ducks and fish
>in the Mekong. We belonged to the VC Hunting Club.

I like that first line.  I've gotten rid of the mirrors because of I
am not what I see in the reflections anymore.  

Since I stayed on so long I am the member of many a hunting club, some
very selective.  After all it was the Selective Service that invited
me to join.

>>>If you caught my remark about prenup (which I personally find
>>>objectionable unless I was Bill gates or whatever) you might have
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>Vintage 40 Wheels 16X8"
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Spike - 22 May 2005 07:23 GMT
Those people at Selective Service are sooooo nice. And soooooo
selective when they "invite" you to join. On the other hand, a very
good friend of mine was invited by a judge who said, "boy, I'll give
you a choice... 18 months or 4 years for stealing that car." And Frank
always said he should have taken the 4 years.... LOL

>>I'm not old.... my body is..... and we didn't just hunt ducks and fish
>>in the Mekong. We belonged to the VC Hunting Club.
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ZombyWoof - 22 May 2005 09:45 GMT
>Those people at Selective Service are sooooo nice. And soooooo
>selective when they "invite" you to join. On the other hand, a very
>good friend of mine was invited by a judge who said, "boy, I'll give
>you a choice... 18 months or 4 years for stealing that car." And Frank
>always said he should have taken the 4 years.... LOL

You meet the nicest people on the Group W bench.

It is funny that now that they are talking about starting up Selective
Service Boards again and are looking for folks to man it, being
retired Military I am ineligible to sit on the local Draft Board.
Ain't that a crock?  They afraid I might make everybody go?  

Personally I hope they do bring back the draft, it might be the only
thing that gets us out of the mess in the Middle East.  As long as the
cannon fodder is volunteers there isn't going to be much public
out-roar over this quagmire.  It is a shame they wouldn't let me &
mine clean-up the mess back in during GW I when we were over there and
had the support of the world & the Iraqi people.  Now instead of
liberators, we are just plain old invaders.  Now my two nephews are
doing what I should have finished.  

>>>I'm not old.... my body is..... and we didn't just hunt ducks and fish
>>>in the Mekong. We belonged to the VC Hunting Club.
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Carl Childers - 22 May 2005 17:32 GMT
> I'll be the first to admit that I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer

LOL! That's probably the biggest understatement since Noah said, "It looks like
rain today."
Michael Johnson, PE - 23 May 2005 06:15 GMT
>>I'll be the first to admit that I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer
>
> LOL! That's probably the biggest understatement since Noah said, "It looks like
> rain today."

At least I'm willing to admit it. ;)
Carl Childers - 22 May 2005 18:11 GMT
> Maybe he just plain doesn't like me for whatever reason and felt the
> need to put me in my place.  

Actually, I felt the exact opposite while receiving nothing but hostility and
hatred from you. But that's okay. Regardless of your feelings towards me, I like
you Mike. I just think you're misinformed on divorce statistics and was trying
to help you out. You clearly misunderstood my original intentions.
Michael Johnson, PE - 23 May 2005 06:20 GMT
>>Maybe he just plain doesn't like me for whatever reason and felt the
>>need to put me in my place.  
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> you Mike. I just think you're misinformed on divorce statistics and was trying
> to help you out. You clearly misunderstood my original intentions.

You think I hate you?  I reserve that emotion for people that really
deserve it like child killers.  Do a reality check.... this is just
internet banter.

Truth be told, neither of us have proven a damn thing in this whole thread.
Joe - 23 May 2005 12:01 GMT
>>>Maybe he just plain doesn't like me for whatever reason and felt
>>>the need to put me in my place.  
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Truth be told, neither of us have proven a damn thing in this whole
> thread.

Michael, I beg to differ.  Childers has proven he's a smug, arrogant,
pompous a.shole.  :)
Michael Johnson, PE - 24 May 2005 01:56 GMT
>>>>Maybe he just plain doesn't like me for whatever reason and felt
>>>>the need to put me in my place.  
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> Michael, I beg to differ.  Childers has proven he's a smug, arrogant,
> pompous a.shole.  :)

Well it wouldn't be the first time we've had one of those in ramfm.  One
of the past ones is why I keep the "PE" after my name.  It's funny how
those two letters really seem to get under their skin. ;)
Joe - 24 May 2005 02:44 GMT
>>>>>Maybe he just plain doesn't like me for whatever reason and felt
>>>>>the need to put me in my place.  
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> One of the past ones is why I keep the "PE" after my name.  It's
> funny how those two letters really seem to get under their skin. ;)

I vaguely remember - but what was that guy's name?  IIRC, he had a
title too...
Michael Johnson, PE - 24 May 2005 06:13 GMT
>>>>>>Maybe he just plain doesn't like me for whatever reason and felt
>>>>>>the need to put me in my place.  
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> I vaguely remember - but what was that guy's name?  IIRC, he had a
> title too...

I believe his name was Dennis.  Who knows, maybe he's a lurker.
Joe - 25 May 2005 00:37 GMT
>>>>>>>Maybe he just plain doesn't like me for whatever reason and felt
>>>>>>>the need to put me in my place.  
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>
> I believe his name was Dennis.  Who knows, maybe he's a lurker.

Right!  Dennis.  Wasn't he a self-proclaimed PhD or something?
Michael Johnson, PE - 25 May 2005 07:12 GMT
>>>>>>>>Maybe he just plain doesn't like me for whatever reason and
>
[quoted text clipped - 40 lines]
>
> Right!  Dennis.  Wasn't he a self-proclaimed PhD or something?

From what I remember, he taught at a college as an associate professor.
 He was quite a jerk.  He left once we found out where he taught.  I
think he didn't like the possibility of his colleages reading the trash
he posted here.  It wouldn't have been good for the blue blood image he
promoted on campus.
Richard - 25 May 2005 02:14 GMT
Is that the same as a PEng?

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> >>>>Maybe he just plain doesn't like me for whatever reason and felt
> >>>>the need to put me in my place.
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> of the past ones is why I keep the "PE" after my name.  It's funny how
> those two letters really seem to get under their skin. ;)
Michael Johnson, PE - 25 May 2005 07:12 GMT
> Is that the same as a PEng?

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Carl Childers - 13 May 2005 21:03 GMT
> Nowadays the man is just as likely to clean up in a divorce as the woman
> and get custody of the kids too.  Just a fringe benefit of the Women's
> Movement.

Do you have any credible statistics to back that statement up?
Spike - 13 May 2005 23:21 GMT
Actually, he's right. They guy will clean up.... as a janitor as his
second job in order to clean up the bills and legal fees, and he will
get his kids.... sometimes every other weekend, half the summer, and
alternating holidays..... as long as the child support isn't late and
his ex cooperates by complying with visitation orders.

>> Nowadays the man is just as likely to clean up in a divorce as the woman
>> and get custody of the kids too.  Just a fringe benefit of the Women's
>> Movement.
>
>Do you have any credible statistics to back that statement up?

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Carl Childers - 15 May 2005 08:39 GMT
> Actually, he's right. They guy will clean up.... as a janitor as his
> second job in order to clean up the bills and legal fees, and he will
> get his kids.... sometimes every other weekend, half the summer, and
> alternating holidays..... as long as the child support isn't late and
> his ex cooperates by complying with visitation orders.

Well said. Sad, but well said.
Spike - 15 May 2005 19:41 GMT
Been there... done that... got the empty bank account, bankruptcy, and
bad credit history to prove it. (Fortunately, I have rebuilt my life
and now have one of the highest credit ratings the banks ever get to
see. And I have reconnected with one child. The other was killed.)

>> Actually, he's right. They guy will clean up.... as a janitor as his
>> second job in order to clean up the bills and legal fees, and he will
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>
>Well said. Sad, but well said.

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Carl Childers - 20 May 2005 00:41 GMT
> Been there... done that... got the empty bank account, bankruptcy, and
> bad credit history to prove it. (Fortunately, I have rebuilt my life
> and now have one of the highest credit ratings the banks ever get to
> see. And I have reconnected with one child. The other was killed.)

Yikes... sorry to hear about the one child. Other than that, it seems
you've recovered well, which is good. Unfortunately, cases like yours
are almost textbook, regardless of what bullshit purveyor
"Michael Johnson, PE" says.
Michael Johnson, PE - 21 May 2005 00:05 GMT
>>Been there... done that... got the empty bank account, bankruptcy, and
>>bad credit history to prove it. (Fortunately, I have rebuilt my life
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> are almost textbook, regardless of what bullshit purveyor
> "Michael Johnson, PE" says.

Where is your proof for your claim above?  I guess we both sling the
same bullshit.
Spike - 20 May 2005 05:21 GMT
However.....

I can always replace funds, roof over my head, clothing, furnishings,
Cds, etc..... HOWEVER, now that I have the 65 Fastback..... maybe a
prenup isn't a bad idea just to cover the car.... : ) LOL

Fortunately, though it would be nice otherwise, I'm on my own now. Got
the house, the dog, the cars, the bank accounts, the works, because
the second spouse suffered a mental illness and signed everything
over. Pure luck on the material side, pure BAD luck on the emotional
side.

By the way, while divorce run 50% (actually, I think it's a bit higher
now), for second marriages it runs somewhere around 75% during the
first 5 years. Make it past there and it very likely to got the
distance.  Mine was 15 years before he manic depression killed it
along with her relationship with her son and her family.

But, my daughter says, "don't worry, Dad... third times a charm....".
RIGHTTTTTTTT! I think it's more like combat... three on a match and
the sniper has you zeroed in.... LOL : )

>Been there... done that... got the empty bank account, bankruptcy, and
>bad credit history to prove it. (Fortunately, I have rebuilt my life
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Spike - 23 May 2005 17:11 GMT
Well.... so much for "Good News"  .... except the discussion about
carbs and heads on a 289.... : ) That's information I have a use
for....

As for the prenups and fairness in divorce.... it seems that most
people think about who gets treated more fairly.... EXCEPT.... nobody
seems to consider whether the kids get treated fairly. Mom gets a
lawyer, and Dad gets a lawyer, and they hammer it all out.. good or
bad for one or the other. But who actually represents the interests of
the kids? In a country where the divorce rate is so high, is it any
wonder kids have little respect for or use for marriage after watching
their parents?

Maybe the kids need a lawyer.....

Or maybe, whichever parent takes out the other within the first  24
hours, gets it all..... with no legal ramifications.... LOL : )

Anyway, I  hope everyone, no matter which side of the issue, has a
GREAT week!

Happy Victoria Day to our neighbors to the north, east, west, or south
depending on where you are in the US of A.

>Been there... done that... got the empty bank account, bankruptcy, and
>bad credit history to prove it. (Fortunately, I have rebuilt my life
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Joe - 23 May 2005 18:48 GMT
> Well.... so much for "Good News"  .... except the discussion about
> carbs and heads on a 289.... : ) That's information I have a use
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> high, is it any wonder kids have little respect for or use for
> marriage after watching their parents?

Great point.  Too bad the kids don't have any say in who their parents
are.

> Maybe the kids need a lawyer.....

They need a helluva lot more than that.

> Or maybe, whichever parent takes out the other within the first  24
> hours, gets it all..... with no legal ramifications.... LOL : )

Hey, why not let the kids take out both of the morons without those
legal ramifications?  After all, the parents are the ones who screwed
everything up in the first place...

> Anyway, I  hope everyone, no matter which side of the issue, has a
> GREAT week!

Back at 'cha.

> Happy Victoria Day to our neighbors to the north, east, west, or
> south depending on where you are in the US of A.

Had to go look that one up.  I didn't think it had anything to do with
the Ford car..

>>Been there... done that... got the empty bank account, bankruptcy,
>>and bad credit history to prove it. (Fortunately, I have rebuilt my
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Spike - 23 May 2005 19:01 GMT
Well, of course it has to do with the Ford car... since a part or two
are made in Canada.... : ) LOL

>> Happy Victoria Day to our neighbors to the north, east, west, or
>> south depending on where you are in the US of A.
>
>Had to go look that one up.  I didn't think it had anything to do with
>the Ford car..

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Joe - 23 May 2005 23:39 GMT
sh.t, I thought they were all made in Mexico..

> Well, of course it has to do with the Ford car... since a part or two
> are made in Canada.... : ) LOL
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Spike - 24 May 2005 01:44 GMT
Not according to my AAA Travel Guide's List of Most Exploited Places
to Visit in the Americas. (Mexico came in a close second with the
"Desert Flashlight Parade" held nightly, and reportedly a rival to
Disneyland's Electric Light parade.)

>sh.t, I thought they were all made in Mexico..

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Michael Johnson, PE - 14 May 2005 04:19 GMT
>>Nowadays the man is just as likely to clean up in a divorce as the woman
>>and get custody of the kids too.  Just a fringe benefit of the Women's
>>Movement.
>
> Do you have any credible statistics to back that statement up?

If you're looking for credible information of any sort you're in the
wrong newsgroup.
Spike - 14 May 2005 05:30 GMT
You funny man. Funny funny man. hahahahahaha : )
But you're also fairly accurate. LOL

>>>Nowadays the man is just as likely to clean up in a divorce as the woman
>>>and get custody of the kids too.  Just a fringe benefit of the Women's
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>If you're looking for credible information of any sort you're in the
>wrong newsgroup.

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Michael Johnson, PE - 14 May 2005 05:58 GMT
I should have said, "If you're looking for credible information of any
sort that is unrelated to Mustangs, you're in the wrong newsgroup".

> You funny man. Funny funny man. hahahahahaha : )
> But you're also fairly accurate. LOL
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Spike - 14 May 2005 20:07 GMT
I figured that was your intent. Not the blanket coverage of all
information. : )

>I should have said, "If you're looking for credible information of any
>sort that is unrelated to Mustangs, you're in the wrong newsgroup".
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Carl Childers - 15 May 2005 08:20 GMT
> >>Nowadays the man is just as likely to clean up in a divorce as the woman
> >>and get custody of the kids too.  Just a fringe benefit of the Women's
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> If you're looking for credible information of any sort you're in the
> wrong newsgroup.

Bullshit Detector translation: "Considering that statement was pulled
directly from my a.s just seconds before it was posted, no, I have
absolutely no verifiable proof to back it up."
Michael Johnson, PE - 15 May 2005 15:32 GMT
>>>>Nowadays the man is just as likely to clean up in a divorce as the woman
>>>>and get custody of the kids too.  Just a fringe benefit of the Women's
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> directly from my a.s just seconds before it was posted, no, I have
> absolutely no verifiable proof to back it up."

Loosen up dude.  We're not compiling research for preparing a thesis on
the subject.  OTOH, it is much easier for a man to get the children AND
some money in a divorce settlement in today's world compared to the
1960's etc.  I don't need to complete extensive research to know this.
Maybe you've been raped in a divorce which has made you this sensitive
on the subject?  Or are you just this uptight, in general? ;)
Carl Childers - 20 May 2005 00:37 GMT
> >>>>Nowadays the man is just as likely to clean up in a divorce as the woman
> >>>>and get custody of the kids too.  Just a fringe benefit of the Women's
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> some money in a divorce settlement in today's world compared to the
> 1960's etc.  I don't need to complete extensive research to know this.

Even a blind man can see you haven't completed even a cursory research on this
topic, yet you continue to speak authoritatively about it. Even your "1960's"
[sic] comment stands in direct contradiction to verifiable facts. Pathetic. I'll
be sure never to take any Mustang advice off of you.

> Maybe you've been raped in a divorce which has made you this sensitive
> on the subject?  Or are you just this uptight, in general? ;)

I don't get it... you post lies, I post truth, yet suddenly I'm "uptight?" Since
you must get personal, no, I've never "raped in a divorce," in fact, I'm happily
married to the same girl I started dating when I was 15. I guess you'll have
to dig up another irrelevant ad hominem to cover your mendacity.
Michael Johnson, PE - 20 May 2005 00:56 GMT
>>>>>>Nowadays the man is just as likely to clean up in a divorce as the woman
>>>>>>and get custody of the kids too.  Just a fringe benefit of the Women's
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> topic, yet you continue to speak authoritatively about it. Even your "1960's"
> [sic] comment stands in direct contradiction to verifiable facts. Pathetic.

My parents divorced in the mid 1960's and I heard my father's first hand
account of the raping he took at the settlement hearings.  Even though I
loved my Mother he did get the short end of that stick as did most men
in his situation at the time.  I don't need to do a cursory search.  I
also know many guys that have divorced and taken main custody of the
children and get child support payments from their former wives.  In
many households today the woman is the top wage earner.  Are you saying
that it is the same way today as it was in the 1960's?  Get real.  If it
is then show me some proof.

> I'll be sure never to take any Mustang advice off of you.

Don't worry, I'll be damn sure not to give you any either.

>>Maybe you've been raped in a divorce which has made you this sensitive
>>on the subject?  Or are you just this uptight, in general? ;)
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> married to the same girl I started dating when I was 15. I guess you'll have
> to dig up another irrelevant ad hominem to cover your mendacity.

So let me get this straight, you say I am posting lies about divorce
statistics but offer no irreputable evidence to support YOUR claims that
I am wrong?  Look up the definition of the word "hypocracy" and get back
to me.  As for you being married only once, all I have to say is "God
bless your wife".  She must be a strong, patient and forgiving woman.
Carl Childers - 22 May 2005 16:57 GMT
> So let me get this straight, you say I am posting lies about divorce
> statistics but offer no irreputable evidence to support YOUR claims that
> I am wrong?  

Sorry sonnybuck, you're the one who made the original statement contradicting
mine. Therefore, the burden of proof is on YOU. Of course, you can't post
verification, because there is none. You couldn't corroborate your original
claim if your life depended on it. In fact, if you can post credible evidence
that verifies the statement, "Nowadays the man is just as likely to clean up in
a divorce as the woman and get custody of the kids too," I'll start a new thread
admitting you're right and I'm wrong, along with a genuine apology. Unlike
others here, I'm an open-minded man, more than willing to adopt another
point of view when proven wrong.

And just for future reference, childhood sob stories hardly qualify as "proof."

> Look up the definition of the word "hypocracy" and get back to me.  

Ok, I did it. The word "hypocracy" is nowhere to be found. I did, however,
find the word "hypocrisy" nearby, with the following definition:

hy·poc·ri·sy
  n. pl. hy·poc·ri·sies
  1. The practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's
     own behavior does not conform; pertense.
  2. "Michael Johnson, PE," usenet sh.t-slinger extraordinaire, epitomizes
     this word.

> As for you being married only once, all I have to say is "God  bless your
> wife".  She must be a strong, patient and forgiving woman.

First sensible thing you've said yet. She is all the above things and more.
ZombyWoof - 22 May 2005 19:38 GMT
>> So let me get this straight, you say I am posting lies about divorce
>> statistics but offer no irreputable evidence to support YOUR claims that
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>others here, I'm an open-minded man, more than willing to adopt another
>point of view when proven wrong.

While Divorces are becoming more & more fair, if there can actually be
such a thing, but I do not think that men have reached even parity on
child custody issues.  You would have to post some verifiable
statistics on that one for me to take it at face value.  The majority
of judges will still think that Mommy is the best place for the
kiddies to be with.  All things being equal I would tend to agree with
that as well.  Unless the natural mother is proven as being unfit it
will be a hard go for any man to gain complete and total custody of
their off-spring.  The only cases I am personally aware of have to do
with an unfit Mother, a Mother who does not want the kids, or has a
job that makes child rearing difficult.

>And just for future reference, childhood sob stories hardly qualify as "proof."
>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
>First sensible thing you've said yet. She is all the above things and more.

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Michael Johnson, PE - 23 May 2005 07:01 GMT
>>So let me get this straight, you say I am posting lies about divorce
>>statistics but offer no irreputable evidence to support YOUR claims that
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> others here, I'm an open-minded man, more than willing to adopt another
> point of view when proven wrong.

First, my response in this thread was to Joe not you.  Second, I don't
have to do anything just because you make a statement.  You're the one
that seems to have a problem so go do the research to prove your claim
and get back to me.  Still don't see the hypocrisy do you?

So if I would have replied to your original post in this thread to show
me the proof to back up your statements you would have been obligated to
provide the appropriate research?  If you're not obligated, then there
is that pesky hypocrisy issue raising its ugly head again.

> And just for future reference, childhood sob stories hardly qualify as "proof."

Who is sobbing?  This comment actually makes me laugh.  Thanks for the
giggle.

>>Look up the definition of the word "hypocracy" and get back to me.  
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>    2. "Michael Johnson, PE," usenet sh.t-slinger extraordinaire, epitomizes
>       this word.

From the above, I see you like to warp reality and truth to support
your positions.  The first meaning is definitely applicable to your
debate techniques.  I guess you really can't see the hypocrisy of you
having one set of standards for your opponent and another set for yourself.

As for the second, the logic, or purpose, of the comment escapes me.  I
guess it is supposed to be such a witty barb that I scurry off in total
humiliation after reading it?

>>As for you being married only once, all I have to say is "God  bless your
>>wife".  She must be a strong, patient and forgiving woman.
>
> First sensible thing you've said yet. She is all the above things and more.

At least this is one thing we can agree on.
Carl Childers - 15 May 2005 08:37 GMT
> >> Well, it has nothing to do with cars or anything, but I've been
> >> around this newsgroup long enough to feel like i've made a few
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> So why bother getting married then?  With this mindset, why not just
> keep dating?

Do you drive your LX or Dakota without coverage? I never suggested he
remain a bachelor for the rest of his life. I only recommended he get
insurance on something far more important than an automobile.
Statistics show approximately 50% of all marriages end up in divorce.
That's a sad but true reality. If he gets a prenup, he'll never regret
it. If he doesn't, and he ends up in some courthouse with his entire
life in the hands of a judge, he'll rue the day he didn't heed my
advice.
Michael Johnson, PE - 15 May 2005 15:37 GMT
>>>>Well, it has nothing to do with cars or anything, but I've been
>>>>around this newsgroup long enough to feel like i've made a few
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> life in the hands of a judge, he'll rue the day he didn't heed my
> advice.

Good morning, Mr. Sunshine.  Excuse me while I go draw a warm bath and
slit my wrists.  See I got married last Octaber without a prenuptual
agreement.  Damn, if I had only heard your advice sooner. :(
Joe - 15 May 2005 16:18 GMT
Carl Childers <cchilders@nervoushospital.org> wrote in news:cchilders-
D7978E.03371115052005@news1.east.earthlink.net:

>> >> Well, it has nothing to do with cars or anything, but I've been
>> >> around this newsgroup long enough to feel like i've made a few
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> life in the hands of a judge, he'll rue the day he didn't heed my
> advice.

Equating the concepts of insuring the vehicles you drive with marrying
someone speaks volumes about you.  Obviously, you don't grasp the
concept of marriage.

Anyone who is so worried about the possibility of getting screwed over
after the divorce should _never_ consider marriage in the first place.
Spike - 15 May 2005 20:03 GMT
RIGHT ON, JOE!  What is marriage without trust? What does a prenup say
about the level of trust? What would be the point of a relationship
which lacks basic trust and already expects to fail (which is why the
prenup is used)? Like it becomes a self fulfilling prophesy. If I was
Bill gates, maybe. But for the average person, it's not likely someone
married you for your money.

>Carl Childers <cchilders@nervoushospital.org> wrote in news:cchilders-
>D7978E.03371115052005@news1.east.earthlink.net:
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>Anyone who is so worried about the possibility of getting screwed over
>after the divorce should _never_ consider marriage in the first place.

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Joe - 16 May 2005 01:23 GMT
Exactly, Spike.  You hit the nail on the head.

> RIGHT ON, JOE!  What is marriage without trust? What does a prenup
> say about the level of trust? What would be the point of a
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Spike - 16 May 2005 03:59 GMT
To many go in with the expectation that there is a good chance it will
fail, and when the tough times hit, they break and run rather than
trying to work through it. And it doesn't help that the laws make it
way too easy to give up without any effort to work things out. That's
sad. And if they won't even try to make things work for themselves,
how much can I count on in a contractual situation. I've seen
employees whose list of past employers looked like they were trying to
set a record. Like my stepson's father who had a perfectly good job
with county pay and benefits, which he  quit, as usual, because his
supervisor criticized the way he did something. And people wonder why
things are the way they are today.

>Exactly, Spike.  You hit the nail on the head.
>
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Carl Childers - 20 May 2005 00:50 GMT
> RIGHT ON, JOE!  What is marriage without trust?

Well said. If a mate truly loves the other party, then signing a
prenup shouldn't even be an issue. I never felt more loved than I
did the day my wife signed ours. With a simple stroke of the pen,
she told me, "I love you for who you are, not for what you have."
Eleven years later, we're closer today than we ever have been.

I've never heard a guy say, "Oh damn, I wish I'd never got that
damn prenup! I RUINED my marriage!"
Michael Johnson, PE - 20 May 2005 01:18 GMT
>>RIGHT ON, JOE!  What is marriage without trust?
>
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> she told me, "I love you for who you are, not for what you have."
> Eleven years later, we're closer today than we ever have been.

Ever think she might be staying with you because she won't get near what
 she deserves if she leaves?  Hmmm... one can wonder.

> I've never heard a guy say, "Oh damn, I wish I'd never got that
> damn prenup! I RUINED my marriage!"

I wonder how many guys have said "Asking her to sign that prenup was the
beginning of the end of our marriage"?
Joe - 20 May 2005 01:21 GMT
Carl Childers <cchilders@nervoushospital.org> wrote in news:cchilders-
CEF026.19531319052005@news1.east.earthlink.net:

>> RIGHT ON, JOE!  What is marriage without trust?
>
> Well said. If a mate truly loves the other party, then signing a
> prenup shouldn't even be an issue.

If two people love each other enough to honestly want to get married,
then the concept of a prenup would never enter their heads.

The thing that everybody seems to have forgotten is that marriage is a
lifelong commitment.  Go look up the definition of the words
"lifelong" and "commitment".  Remember the phrases "for better or
worse", "richer or poorer", and "till death do us part"?  They
actually mean something.

> I never felt more loved than I
> did the day my wife signed ours. With a simple stroke of the pen,
> she told me, "I love you for who you are, not for what you have."
> Eleven years later, we're closer today than we ever have been.

Either you pulled the wool over her eyes or she's an idiot.  Or maybe
both.

> I've never heard a guy say, "Oh damn, I wish I'd never got that
> damn prenup! I RUINED my marriage!"

So what's _your_ reason to insist on a prenup?  Why do _you_ consider
it important?  Worried about something?

I'll never understand people that agree to get married and they're
thinking of splitting from each other in the back of their heads.  
These people are the reason why the divorce rate is so high.
Spike - 20 May 2005 03:34 GMT
I'm beginning to think it's a case of such phrases MEANT something,
not mean something..... unfortunately.

>Carl Childers <cchilders@nervoushospital.org> wrote in news:cchilders-
>CEF026.19531319052005@news1.east.earthlink.net:

>The thing that everybody seems to have forgotten is that marriage is a
>lifelong commitment.  Go look up the definition of the words
>"lifelong" and "commitment".  Remember the phrases "for better or
>worse", "richer or poorer", and "till death do us part"?  They
>actually mean something.

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