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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Mustang / April 2005how useful is that spoiler on my 96 GT vert?
OK... Today I backed into a tree and caused some damage to my rear spoiler. I noticed when I open my trunk there are two *visible* screws in the trunk lid that appear to be all that holds on the spoiler. Does anyone know if that is true? Next question: At what speeds do you think that spoiler is actually useful, if any? I'm really not tied to keeping that thing or replacing it. Finally, if I remove those screws and the spoiler, what do I do about the two holes? Ideas? Thanks!  SignatureScotter The spoiler probably starts to offer it's benefits at speeds above 140 mph (it's window dressing, young fellow.... ). How on earth do you back into a tree??? Somebody sneeak up and put it there when you weren't looking? Sarcasm aside.... why not check the wreckers for a replacement spoiler? > OK... > Today I backed into a tree and caused some damage to my rear spoiler. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > two holes? Ideas? > Thanks! If I recall correctly, I think i read that on a Cobra it actually lost a couple MPH on the top end due to the spoiler. they took it off and gained 1 or 2 MPH. Google the archives. Scott > The spoiler probably starts to offer it's benefits at speeds above 140 mph > (it's window dressing, young fellow.... ). How on earth do you back into a [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > two holes? Ideas? > > Thanks! > If I recall correctly, I think i read that on a Cobra it actually lost a > couple MPH on the top end due to the spoiler. they took it off and gained 1 > or 2 MPH. Google the archives. Guess that explains why there isn't a spoiler on the M3. :) Howard 1989 5.0lx vert >> If I recall correctly, I think i read that on a Cobra it actually lost a >> couple MPH on the top end due to the spoiler. they took it off and gained >1 >> or 2 MPH. Google the archives. > >Guess that explains why there isn't a spoiler on the M3. :) It actually does have an option for a tiny lip. >If I recall correctly, I think i read that on a Cobra it actually lost a >couple MPH on the top end due to the spoiler. they took it off and gained 1 >or 2 MPH. Google the archives. more downforce comes at a cost. A spoiler does not create down force, it "spoils lift" which is created by the body itself. Nothing's free, spoiling aerodynamic lift also creates drag. It's a trade off, remove the undesired lift which will effect handling or spoil that lift and live with a little extra drag. Spoilers are effective to a degree at any speed, just as the lift the body creates varies at different speeds including those legal on the highway. Will you notice a difference on the highway? Doubt it. If I would have ordered my Cobra it would have had the spoiler delete option. SignatureMike Silver 10th Anniversary Cobra Coupe --- >> If I recall correctly, I think i read that on a Cobra it actually >> lost a couple MPH on the top end due to the spoiler. they took it >> off and gained 1 or 2 MPH. Google the archives. > > more downforce comes at a cost. Also, other people have removed spoilers and used headless bolts to fill the holes. They usually grind the lettering down, paint them body color then use a thin plastic or rubber washer to seal water out of the trunk. I think others have used a plastic screw hole cover, painted body color then glued in, found in a mechanical parts catalog. SignatureMike Silver 10th Anniversary Cobra Coupe --- > A spoiler does not create down force, it "spoils lift" which is > created by the body itself. Nothing's free, spoiling aerodynamic lift [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> >> more downforce comes at a cost. Thanks! SignatureScotter > Also, other people have removed spoilers and used headless bolts to fill > the [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >>> >>> more downforce comes at a cost. | Also, other people have removed spoilers and used headless bolts to fill the | holes. They usually grind the lettering down, paint them body color then use | a thin plastic or rubber washer to seal water out of the trunk. I think | others have used a plastic screw hole cover, painted body color then glued | in, found in a mechanical parts catalog. Uh uh uh.. yup... I done did it muhself in the back yard with a doggone paint can.... hu hu huh... Seriously, I have heard of people doing stuff like this to their cars. WTF are they thinking??? Hokey hokey hokey... Kate | --- | [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] | >> | >> more downforce comes at a cost. The pics I've seen of a Terminator Cobra using one of these methods doesn't look bad at all. I'll see if I can find one of the pics and link it. The plastic screw hole covers also come in handy for hiding the holes in the front bumper when you remove the front plate. SignatureMike Silver 10th Anniversary Cobra Coupe --- >> Also, other people have removed spoilers and used headless bolts to >> fill the holes. They usually grind the lettering down, paint them [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >>>> >>>> more downforce comes at a cost. Thanks for all the great info, Mike! Where would you recommend buying these items? SignatureScotter > The pics I've seen of a Terminator Cobra using one of these methods > doesn't [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] >>>>> >>>>> more downforce comes at a cost. Paint from ford, a touchup bottle is ~$10. Headless bolts -- the home depot near me has em, if not, any auto parts store will, pep boys, etc. Worst case, go to your friendly neighborhood shop and buy a handfull for $20. > Thanks for all the great info, Mike! > Where would you recommend buying these items? [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] >>>>>> >>>>>> more downforce comes at a cost. Hey, whatever blows your dress up. Kate | The pics I've seen of a Terminator Cobra using one of these methods doesn't | look bad at all. I'll see if I can find one of the pics and link it. The [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] | >>>> | >>>> more downforce comes at a cost. Hey Scott! Did you get that Cobra? Never heard back from you. Kate | If I recall correctly, I think i read that on a Cobra it actually lost a | couple MPH on the top end due to the spoiler. they took it off and gained 1 [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] | > > two holes? Ideas? | > > Thanks! Cobra? Different Scott, I think. You wanted to see pics of my new interior, which I have not gotten yet but will! SignatureScotter 96 GT vert > Hey Scott! > Did you get that Cobra? [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > | > > two holes? Ideas? > | > > Thanks! Yup Scotter, it was Van Nest I was hollering at. And those photos,,, why not? Kate | Cobra? Different Scott, I think. | You wanted to see pics of my new interior, which I have not gotten yet but [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] | > | > > two holes? Ideas? | > | > > Thanks! Heh still didn't get around to buying that new digital camera but I will. Really :) - Scotter > Yup Scotter, it was Van Nest I was hollering at. > [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > | > | > > two holes? Ideas? > | > | > > Thanks! I did not. It was gone already. Scott > Hey Scott! > Did you get that Cobra? [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > | > > two holes? Ideas? > | > > Thanks! >OK... >Today I backed into a tree and caused some damage to my rear spoiler. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >two holes? Ideas? >Thanks! lmfao why dont ya buy 2 spoilers you will go 2 times as fast focktard hurc ast >OK... >Today I backed into a tree and caused some damage to my rear spoiler. >I noticed when I open my trunk there are two *visible* screws in the trunk >lid that appear to be all that holds on the spoiler. Does anyone know if >that is true? I think so. >Next question: At what speeds do you think that spoiler is actually useful, >if any? In access of any speed limit in this country and more then likely the maximum speed your car is capable of attaining, or you effectively driving at. Normally somewhere in the 120/140mph+ range. >I'm really not tied to keeping that thing or replacing it. >Finally, if I remove those screws and the spoiler, what do I do about the >two holes? Ideas? >Thanks! Fill them in with bondo and paint the area. Should be about a $100 job at most body shops. Signature"Either kill me or take me as I am, because I'll be damned if I ever change..." The Marquis de Sade I think it will be more trouble to fill the holes than it will to just hunt down another one. How did you manage to damage the spoiler, and not the deck lid? What color is your car? Kate | OK... | Today I backed into a tree and caused some damage to my rear spoiler. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] | two holes? Ideas? | Thanks! Car is white. I backed into a parking spot where a tree trunk that curves hangs out. The curve is the reason why the spoiler was damaged but not anything else. To me this became an opportunity to get rid of the spoiler altogether. For me, it is an extra thing to scrub (and scrub under) when I wash the car. Yeah, some people think it looks cool and it definitely makes the car look sportier but what seals the deal for me is that the damn thing adds little or no *function* at the speeds I drive (<100). I'm looking forward to having a nice, clean back deck! To me, elegance usually involves "less is more." SignatureScotter 96 GT vert 3.73 gears and few other things. Planning on doing the headswap soon if anyone has advice >I think it will be more trouble to fill the holes than it will to just hunt > down another one. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > | two holes? Ideas? > | Thanks! Ahh.. Ok. If you like it plain, then more power to ya. Personally, I don't like the bare naked look. I don't care if it provides any other function than to look pretty, I won't leave home without it LOL You MAY be able to find a deck lid, sans spoiler holes, in the right color if you look hard enough. Luckily your car is white, so it should be a relatively easy match. Kate | Car is white. | I backed into a parking spot where a tree trunk that curves hangs out. [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] | > | two holes? Ideas? | > | Thanks! Yeah when the dealer told me a new trunk lid, sans-spoiler was something like $750, I figured that was too expensive and even the other option of the cost of my time to find something used so I decided to just wait until Monday morning and go visit a body shop where they will fill in the holes. SignatureScotter > Ahh.. > Ok. [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > | > | two holes? Ideas? > | > | Thanks! Think USED parts Scott.... already painted, just take one off, put the other one on. | Yeah when the dealer told me a new trunk lid, sans-spoiler was something | like $750, I figured that was too expensive and even the other option of the [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] | > | > | two holes? Ideas? | > | > | Thanks! Let me put it this way: If my time is worth $100/hour and I spend 1.0 hours finding (assuming I find one local) and obtaining a used trunk lid, that is $100 and then add in the price of the lid, let's say $200. That's $300. If not local, then (a) add $50 for shipping; and (b) add x days wait for shipping. TOTAL: ~ $300 to $350 - VS - Taking my car to a nearby body shop (1.0 hrs of my time [most of which is "wait time" which means I can be on my phone or just reading/relaxing as opposed to "work time" for above scenario of searching] = $100/2 = $50) plus paying $75 to $100 for the bodywork. TOTAL $125 to $150. Finally, with a used one from a different car, the chance exists for either (a) slight color mismatch due to fading; and/or (b) scratches/dings and wow if it was one shipped then that means even more of my time to ship it back and find another one. There you go, the thought processes of a programmer! Same reason I don't change my own oil or do my own tune-ups. I'd rather spend my free time having sex. :) SignatureScotter > Think USED parts Scott.... > already painted, just take one off, put the other one on. [quoted text clipped - 71 lines] > | > | > | two holes? Ideas? > | > | > | Thanks! "Scotter" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message ... | Let me put it this way: | [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] | opposed to "work time" for above scenario of searching] = $100/2 = $50) plus | paying $75 to $100 for the bodywork. TOTAL $125 to $150. Uh huh... and what fantasy world did you pull these figures from? Not to mention that they will have your car two to five days to do the job. | Finally, with a used one from a different car, the chance exists for either | (a) slight color mismatch due to fading; and/or (b) scratches/dings and wow | if it was one shipped then that means even more of my time to ship it back | and find another one. Hey, it was just a thought, and if you found one at a quality wrecking yard, something you can do on the phone, or a good wrecker can run a search for you. There IS a chance the color may be off just a touch B-U-T There is also that chance if they paint it, and the possibility that in order to make the paint match they might have to blend into the rear quarter panels because your paint may have aged or yrllowed a bit. A butt match may not match at all. | There you go, the thought processes of a programmer! Uh huh... definitely not a body shop tech, but not a dummy either. | Same reason I don't change my own oil or do my own tune-ups. I'd rather | spend my free time having sex. Wouldn't we all! | :) | > Think USED parts Scott.... [quoted text clipped - 72 lines] | > | > | > | two holes? Ideas? | > | > | > | Thanks! The holes are about the size of a nickle. I'll let you know how much time/money the body shop takes to fill in four nickle-size holes. SignatureScotter > "Scotter" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message ... > | Let me put it this way: [quoted text clipped - 145 lines] > | > | > | > | two holes? Ideas? > | > | > | > | Thanks! > Car is white. > I backed into a parking spot where a tree trunk that curves hangs out. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I'm looking forward to having a nice, clean back deck! To me, elegance > usually involves "less is more." > Scotter, > 96 GT vert > 3.73 gears and few other things. > Planning on doing the headswap soon if anyone has advice I'm with you, Scotter. I especially like the SN-95 body without the rear spoiler. Their already high tail-end makes a rear spoiler look like it's perched up too high. Patrick '93 Cobra (wishing its spoiler was optional.) Thanks for the vote of confidence, Patrick! It gives ME more confidence in how my car will look without the spoiler. And I'm realizing two other things that appeal to me when I think about no-spoiler: (a) car becomes that much more of a "sleeper"; and (b) car becomes that much more unique/mine SignatureScotter >> Car is white. >> I backed into a parking spot where a tree trunk that curves hangs [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Patrick > '93 Cobra (wishing its spoiler was optional.) |
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