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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Mustang / May 2005

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SandMan - 24 May 2005 02:45 GMT
Looking for some advice,
Running a 302 with 9 psi of boost. (not intercooled)
AFR is around 11 from 3500 rpm to 5000 rpm.  I wanted to tune it safe
by making sure I didn't run it lean under boost but I believe I just
put fuel in my exhaust and set my cats on fire (they were smoking and
stinking) !
 I will be inspecting/replacing the cats this week but wanted to
re-tune things to prevent this from happening again.
How does an AFR from 12 to 12.5 sound from 3500 to 5000 rpm ?
Car has a max rwhp of 448 at 5750 rpm and a max torque of 428 around
4750 rpm.
ufospotter89@ hotmail.com - 24 May 2005 03:45 GMT
>Looking for some advice,
>Running a 302 with 9 psi of boost. (not intercooled)
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>Car has a max rwhp of 448 at 5750 rpm and a max torque of 428 around
>4750 rpm.

rich
it will kill them cats

hurc ast
Jim Warman - 24 May 2005 04:37 GMT
You indicate that you have no aftercooler so I'll assume your working with a
turbo rather than something positive displacement.

I also see that you seem to have a good grasp on the effects of "walking too
close to the line" as far as mixture is concerned.

Unless you're already there, go with the coldest plugs you can find.... if
you are running a decent multistrike, high output ignition, don't get too
shy with the gap. If you back the advance out a little (total or initial,
you'll know best if you are sure of your curve), it will probably give you
some margin for error. If you can, do a really hard pull with fresh plugs
and do a "hot drop". Cut the ignition at the end of the pass, push in the
clutch or put the trans in neutral and, at the same time, keep the throttle
wide open to reduce the vacuum signal through the carb(s). Pull the plugs
and inspect them with a good magnifier. You may have to repeat this process
a few times, but it should ensure that you have little in the way of bad
kharma. After you establish your mixture, start bumping you timing to find
the ideal initial and all in numbers. I like using a G-Force accelerometer
for this and you can work through different rpm ranges to fine tune the
curve.

Hope this is what you were after....

> Looking for some advice,
> Running a 302 with 9 psi of boost. (not intercooled)
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Car has a max rwhp of 448 at 5750 rpm and a max torque of 428 around
> 4750 rpm.
Big Al - 24 May 2005 18:51 GMT
> You indicate that you have no aftercooler so I'll assume your working with
> a
> turbo rather than something positive displacement.

What is an aftercooler? Are you talking about a cooler between the blower
and the intake?

> Unless you're already there, go with the coldest plugs you can find.... if
> you are running a decent multistrike, high output ignition, don't get too
> shy with the gap.

What does a multistrike ignition change? I'm assuming you're talking about
an MSD?

Al
Jim Warman - 25 May 2005 05:04 GMT
The aftercooler (or intercooler if you like) is installed between the blower
and the intake. As air is compressed, it heats up (increasing the space
between the molecules) - cooling it serves to make the air denser....
several horsepower can be freed up with little in the way of pumping losses.

The multistrike ignition system helps keep colder plugs clean at low rpms
and can also expose more working mixture to spark events. Bear in mind that
the multistrike feature is active only at idle and slightly off idle..... as
rpm climbs, there is insufficient time to saturate the coil. Also, most
ignition controllers (such as the MSD) use capacitive discharge or similar
circuitry to achieve a "hotter" spark.... combined with a suitable coil,
these systems are very, very good.

> > You indicate that you have no aftercooler so I'll assume your working with
> > a
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Al
Michael Johnson, PE - 24 May 2005 15:28 GMT
> Looking for some advice,
> Running a 302 with 9 psi of boost. (not intercooled)
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Car has a max rwhp of 448 at 5750 rpm and a max torque of 428 around
> 4750 rpm.

Unfortunately, you'll need to walk a tight rope.  At your boost and
power levels, with no after/inter cooling, I wouldn't go any higher than
12:1.  Keep in mind that summer temperatures make things worse for
detonation.  If you want to add a nice safety factor and spend little
money then look into water and/or alcohol injection.  I use it on my KB
blown Mustang and have run up to 16 psi without any detonation problems.
 It is very effective when used properly.
SandMan - 24 May 2005 23:05 GMT
Thanks for the responses.
I think I will keep the car tuned the way it is.
Did some troubleshooting today .... realized if the cats were burning
there should have been smoke out the tailpipe .... Duh !
Finally crawled underneath it and there is tranny fluid all over.
I am going to post some questions on this group about the t5.
An intercooler is the next investment.
Thanks again.

>> Looking for some advice,
>> Running a 302 with 9 psi of boost. (not intercooled)
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>blown Mustang and have run up to 16 psi without any detonation problems.
>  It is very effective when used properly.
 
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