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Elevated Engine temperature on Hot days or rush hour traffic

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tarzan - 27 May 2005 04:20 GMT
I own a 1998 3.8L V-6 stang w/160k miles & have recently had an issue w/the
engine running warm. It hasn't overheated but it runs poorly w/the A/C
running on hot days or in rush hour traffic. Otherwise, it stays cool at
night and if I don't run the A/C during the day. I replaced the thermostat
and had the radiator flushed along w/an A/C check &  serpentine tensioner
replacement. I've been told to replace the water pump because of a
"whining noise" coming from the engine compartment. Does anybody have any
suggestions?  
I would appreciate your input. Thanks  
           
flaming/"c/"" @ yahoo.com - 27 May 2005 04:32 GMT
>I own a 1998 3.8L V-6 stang w/160k miles & have recently had an issue w/the
>engine running warm. It hasn't overheated but it runs poorly w/the A/C
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>I would appreciate your input. Thanks  
>            
lmfao
u have the pride of ford
a 3.8
hope your heads are warped
what kind of tard buys a 6 cyl mustang
honestly

hurc ast
tarzan - 28 May 2005 22:02 GMT
Give me break. Honestly, what kind of "tard" posts an idiotic message on a
messageboard aimed at HELPING fellow motorists? Get a life and if you
don't have anything good or constructive to say, don't waste my time.

To me, you sound like a spoiled prick who has nothing better to do than
bad-mouth others who make modest decisions when purchasing a vehicle.

Go find a chat room on AOL to talk sh.t. This messageboard is for people
with good advice not insults. JACKASS!  
.boB - 27 May 2005 05:06 GMT
> I own a 1998 3.8L V-6 stang w/160k miles & have recently had an issue w/the
> engine running warm. It hasn't overheated but it runs poorly w/the A/C
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> I would appreciate your input. Thanks  
>            

   Sounds like the radiator may be clogged.  You
really can't boil them out any more, you just have to
replace them.
    There is a possibility of a blown head gasket or
cracked head.  Have the coolant tested for products of
combustion.
    As for the water pump, I probably wouldn't replace
it based on a whining noise.  That noise could be
coming from the water pump, P/S pump, air pump, etc.
     Do you have an electric fan only (not stock)?  If
so, it may not be up to the job any more.

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flaming/"c/""  @yahoo.com - 27 May 2005 06:36 GMT
>> I own a 1998 3.8L V-6 stang w/160k miles & have recently had an issue w/the
>> engine running warm. It hasn't overheated but it runs poorly w/the A/C
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>      Do you have an electric fan only (not stock)?  If
>so, it may not be up to the job any more.

psssssssssst
the timing cover too

hurc ast
tarzan - 28 May 2005 22:11 GMT
Not sure about testing the radiator. I had the coolant changed out a few
months ago and the last time I took it in for an oil change, I had them
test the coolant. They said it was fine. About the blown gasket or cracked
head, how would I know if that were the case? The engine stays cool on the
highway even with the A/C running. No water or oil leaks either. The fan
seems to be working fine. It appears to run all the time when operating
during the day.

Let me know what you think.

Thanks
Jim Warman - 30 May 2005 03:08 GMT
head gasket would more than likely make it's presence known pretty much all
the time..... Some radiator shops are set up to flow test the rad, but at
nearly 8 years old and 160,000 miles, your car ain't no spring chicken. In
our area, it is common to see the radiator fins plugged off between the
condeser and the rad (where it is difficult to see.

In your case, I would concentrate my efforts on things that might inhibit
air flow through the rad at low speeds.

> Not sure about testing the radiator. I had the coolant changed out a few
> months ago and the last time I took it in for an oil change, I had them
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Thanks
tarzan - 01 Jun 2005 01:48 GMT
Thanks for the info. The radiator seems to be the most logical problem
considering air flow at low speeds. I'll have it looked at by a
professional radiator shop and let you know how it turns out.

Thanks again,
I appreciate your input.
RT - 02 Jun 2005 02:42 GMT
>Not sure about testing the radiator. I had the coolant changed out a few
>months ago and the last time I took it in for an oil change, I had them
>test the coolant. They said it was fine. About the blown gasket or cracked

Coolant can be fine, that still doesn't mean your radiator is working
good. Unless you had some regular flushes that thing is probably
clogged up.

>head, how would I know if that were the case? The engine stays cool on the
>highway even with the A/C running. No water or oil leaks either. The fan
>seems to be working fine. It appears to run all the time when operating
>during the day.

Doe the oil look clean when you change it ? is it using coolant ?
(might not have a leak but the coolant could go into the oil)

>Let me know what you think.
>
>Thanks
Ashton Crusher - 27 May 2005 05:59 GMT
>I own a 1998 3.8L V-6 stang w/160k miles & have recently had an issue w/the
>engine running warm. It hasn't overheated but it runs poorly w/the A/C
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>I would appreciate your input. Thanks  
>            

If it's still got the original fan clutch my first move, since you
already done the other obvious stuff, would be to buy a new, heavy
duty fan clutch and install it.  Doing that made a big difference in
around town driving on the 93 5.0LX I used to have.  If I was going to
start replacing things after that I'd start with the radiator before
I'd mess with the water pump. Flushing is not likely to have cleaned
out much of the really hard stuff that could be clogging it.
--
Jim
'88 LX 5.0 (now in car heaven)
'89 LX 5.0 vert
'99 GT 35th Anniversery Edition - Silver
Mods to date - Relocated trunk release to drivers side,
shortened throttle cable, PIAA Driving lights.
flaming/"c/""  @yahoo.com - 27 May 2005 06:37 GMT
>>I own a 1998 3.8L V-6 stang w/160k miles & have recently had an issue w/the
>>engine running warm. It hasn't overheated but it runs poorly w/the A/C
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>I'd mess with the water pump. Flushing is not likely to have cleaned
>out much of the really hard stuff that could be clogging it.

psssssssst
electric fan you retard

hurc ast
Big Al - 27 May 2005 14:56 GMT
<flaming/ c/ @yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:k6cd915v12qv9h0srgg2lc0j6skp8erqkp@4ax.com...

>>>I own a 1998 3.8L V-6 stang w/160k miles & have recently had an issue
>>>w/the
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>
> hurc ast

Instead of "throwing" parts at it why not just take it to a competent
radiator shop and have them tell you what the problem is? Troubleshooting a
car by making guesses and replacing parts is not smart.

Al
SVTKate - 27 May 2005 19:08 GMT
| Instead of "throwing" parts at it why not just take it to a competent
| radiator shop and have them tell you what the problem is? Troubleshooting a
| car by making guesses and replacing parts is not smart.
|
| Al

Without a doubt, the best advice offered so far.

Kate
Ashton Crusher - 28 May 2005 06:45 GMT
>| Instead of "throwing" parts at it why not just take it to a competent
>| radiator shop and have them tell you what the problem is? Troubleshooting
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>Kate

Not necessarily, some people have more time them money.  And at the
prices charged at most shops you are often money ahead by throwing
parts at it till something sticks then to pay a shop $400 to replace
$66 in parts.
--
Jim
'88 LX 5.0 (now in car heaven)
'89 LX 5.0 vert
'99 GT 35th Anniversery Edition - Silver
Mods to date - Relocated trunk release to drivers side,
shortened throttle cable, PIAA Driving lights.
tarzan - 28 May 2005 22:22 GMT
I was told 1998 models don't have a fan clutch. That was my original
thinking because I had an older model Oldsmobile that would do the same
thing. I'll look into it further.

As for the radiator, I'm leaning more towards the condenser considering
the engine only tends to warm up when I run the A/C on extremely hot days.
Then again, the radiator seems more logical because the engine has warmed
up when I run the car for prolonged periods during the day even without
the A/C running. Come to think of it, the last time I had my radiator
serviced, the  tech told me there was a significant amount of sediment in
the resevoir. He had to remove it and flush it out completely. Good
sugestions. Let me know if you have any further comments. Thanks,      
RT - 02 Jun 2005 02:44 GMT
>I was told 1998 models don't have a fan clutch. That was my original
>thinking because I had an older model Oldsmobile that would do the same
>thing. I'll look into it further.

Forget the useless comments about fan clutches. The stang has had
electric fans for years.

I wish people would refrain from comments about a car unless they know
the car.

>As for the radiator, I'm leaning more towards the condenser considering
>the engine only tends to warm up when I run the A/C on extremely hot days.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>the resevoir. He had to remove it and flush it out completely. Good
>sugestions. Let me know if you have any further comments. Thanks,      
Chuck - 27 May 2005 22:23 GMT
>I own a 1998 3.8L V-6 stang w/160k miles & have recently had an issue w/the
>engine running warm. It hasn't overheated but it runs poorly w/the A/C
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>I would appreciate your input. Thanks  
>            
Make sure you've gotten all the air out of the block by bleeding using
bolt on top of engine (which is there just for that purpose)
.. You'd be surprised at how much difference a little air trapped
inside engine can cause.

What do you mean when you say "it runs poorly"
tarzan - 28 May 2005 21:38 GMT
Bleed the air out of the block? Wouldn't have thought of that.  Thanks for
the info.

When I say it runs poorly, I mean that the it feels like the engine is
being taxed by the extra load from the A/C and elevated operating
temperature. So far, it hasn't passed the "A" (Normal) position on the
temp guage but the change in performance is noticeable.

Let me know what your thoughts.

Thanks,    
AW - 29 May 2005 01:22 GMT
> Bleed the air out of the block? Wouldn't have thought of that.  Thanks for
> the info.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Thanks,

Take her to Ford
RT - 02 Jun 2005 02:46 GMT
>Bleed the air out of the block? Wouldn't have thought of that.  Thanks for
>the info.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>temperature. So far, it hasn't passed the "A" (Normal) position on the
>temp guage but the change in performance is noticeable.

Well, the AC DOES rob you from some power. With a lazy 3.8 that might
be quite noticeable.

>Let me know what your thoughts.
>
>Thanks,    
AW - 27 May 2005 23:09 GMT
> I own a 1998 3.8L V-6 stang w/160k miles & have recently had an issue w/the
> engine running warm. It hasn't overheated but it runs poorly w/the A/C
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> suggestions?  
> I would appreciate your input. Thanks

I had a 1998 v6 stang, and when I had a terrible rough idle problem I
replaced the IAC and it went away. It's around $11 at autozone.
tarzan - 28 May 2005 21:43 GMT
IAC? What and where is it located on the engine?

The idle speed is ok. The engine just tends to warm up when I run the A/C
on hot days. At night it runs cool. I think I'm dealing with a bad
thermostat, radiator or fan switch.

Let me know what you think.

Thanks,  
AW - 29 May 2005 00:39 GMT
> IAC? What and where is it located on the engine?

It's the idle air control. It may not be your problem at all, but when
mine went out it ran like CRAP when I was sitting at a light. It would
shake and stutter like crazy until I turned the A/C on.:-)

> The idle speed is ok. The engine just tends to warm up when I run the A/C
> on hot days. At night it runs cool. I think I'm dealing with a bad
> thermostat, radiator or fan switch.

Probably. I learned the hard way to never use aftermarket parts unless you
are looking for performance parts.

> Let me know what you think.
>
> Thanks,
Adrian Gruber - 05 Jun 2005 19:58 GMT
> The idle speed is ok. The engine just tends to warm up when I run the A/C
> on hot days. At night it runs cool. I think I'm dealing with a bad
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Thanks,

I had a similar problem with an 87 5 liter GT, it would run hot and
eventually shut down. Turned out to be the head gasket was worn out.
GEB - 28 May 2005 16:48 GMT
"tarzan" wrote in a message:
>I own a 1998 3.8L V-6 stang w/160k miles & have recently had an issue w/the
> engine running warm. It hasn't overheated but it runs poorly w/the A/C
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> suggestions?
> I would appreciate your input. Thanks

If it runs normal without the A/C on, then the reason it runs warmer with
the A/C on is just that.  Remember, the condenser is in front of the
radiator, and its job is to cool the freon, and turn it from a liquid to a
gas. The heat has to go somewhere, and since the air that moves through the
condenser, also passes through the radiator, some of that heat is picked up
by the radiator. As for the water pump, slowly remove the radiator cap as it
starts to warm up, and watch the coolant flow. If it is barely moving after
the thermostat opens up, then I'd say replace the pump. But if it is moving
real good, I wouldn't bother. One thing you can try is adding some water
pump lube/conditioner to the coolant, if you suspect the noise is coming
from the pump itself.

Gary

tarzan - 28 May 2005 21:53 GMT
Thanks for the info. The condenser sounds very logical considering your
explanation. However, it may be a combination of the condenser and water
pump because the engine has warmed up on extremely hot days without the
a/c running. I also noticed that the coolant is not flowing as quickly as
it should. On a seperate note, I was also told that a non-OEM thermostat
would cause variations in engine temp causing it to warm up. What are your
thoughts?

I really appreciate the advice. Let me know what you think.
David M - 29 May 2005 00:19 GMT
> "tarzan" wrote in a message:

> If it runs normal without the A/C on, then the reason it runs warmer with
> the A/C on is just that.  Remember, the condenser is in front of the
> radiator, and its job is to cool the freon, and turn it from a liquid to a
> gas.

Actually the condenser turns the refrigerant from a gas to a liquid.
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Commart - 07 Jun 2005 23:39 GMT
Performance, not horsepower, and ride make the 6-cyl. experience.  RPM 2000
out of a safe 5,500 at 65MPH leaves a lot of engine for cruising, as does
pure highway MPG -- about 28 on mine -- for a range exceeding 400 high speed
miles on a full tank.

I lost an alternator this weekend with not much warning from the battery
gauge, but the impression I've drawn so far from 2000 V6 is that when it's
working, everything works 100 percent right.  IMHO, find an experienced
mechanic you trust (there's a bit of work and luck in that all by itself),
give him ownership of the maintenance of the vehicle, and then take his
advice and insight seriously.  What that means here: if you trust your
mechanic, and he suggests working on the cooling system, go ahead and get
that work done.  (The shop owner who oversees work on my pony came through
personal referral; the employee who actually gets into the grease, and not
much of that yet,  is a Mustang enthusiast himself with a restoration
project in his own garage).

I'd be happy to listen to modification proposals that might yield additional
horsepower without degrading fuel efficiency in the 3.8L 6-cylinder, but
call it a "grocery getter" or "secretary's car", whatever, it's not a racing
machine.  What it is is a great ride and plenty fast through the spectrum of
legal or accepted -- interesting concept -- U.S. traffic flow speeds.  The
class probably deserves more enthusiasm and interest than it has gotten, but
the predominant sports car culture has developed around the allure of
competitive power and track or combative speed at the expense of comfort,
efficiency, and socially sustainable high speed.

--Jim

>I own a 1998 3.8L V-6 stang w/160k miles & have recently had an issue w/the
> engine running warm. It hasn't overheated but it runs poorly w/the A/C
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> suggestions?
> I would appreciate your input. Thanks
 
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