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The Nation's Worst Drivers
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NoOption5L@aol.com - 28 May 2005 03:58 GMT When faced with a written test, similar to ones given to beginning drivers applying for licenses, one in ten drivers couldn't get a passing score, according to a study commissioned by GMAC Insurance.
The GMAC Insurance National Driver's Test found that nearly 20 million Americans, or about 1 in 10 drivers, would fail a state driver's test if they had to take one today. GMAC Insurance is part of General Motors' finance subsidiary, GMAC.
More than 5,000 licensed drivers between the ages of 16 and 65 were administered a 20-question written test designed to measure basic knowledge about traffic laws and safety. They were also surveyed about their general driving habits.
Drivers in the Northeast and mid-Atlantic states did worst. Twenty percent of test-takers failed there.
The state of Rhode Island leads the nation in driver cluelessness, according to the survey. The average test score there was 77, just eight points above a failing grade.
Those in neighboring Massachusetts were second worst and New Jersey, third worst.
Northwestern states had the most knowledgeable drivers. In those states, just one to three percent failed the test. Oregon and Washington drivers knew the rules of the road best. In Oregon, the average test score was 89.
According to the study, many drivers find basic practices, such as merging and interpreting road signs, difficult.
For instance, one out of five drivers doesn't know that a pedestrian in a crosswalk has the right of way, and one out of three drivers speeds up to make a yellow light, even when pedestrians are present, the study said.
Drivers not only lack basic road knowledge, but exhibit dangerous driving behavior as well.
"As a nation of drivers, we've made little progress in the past 10 years to curb some of the most dangerous driving behaviors, including drinking and driving and speeding," said Susan Ferguson, senior vice president of research at the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety.
One out of 10 drivers regularly exceeds the speed limit by 11 or more miles per hour, with drivers aged between 18 and 24 years showing the greatest propensity for speeding, the study said.
Speeding increases both the likelihood of an accident and the severity of the crash, the company added, citing research from IIHS.
Younger drivers are the most likely to fail a written driving test while those between the ages of 50 and 64 are the most likely to pass.
These are the average scores on a 20-question driver's test administered to more than 5,000 licensed drivers in a survey commissioned by the GMAC Insurance.
Nation -- 82.7
1. Oregon -- 89.4
2. Washington -- 88.4
3. Iowa -- 87.7
4. Idaho -- 87.5
5. Wyoming -- 87.4
6. Vermont -- 86.6
7. Nebraska -- 86.5
8. Wisconsin -- 86.3
9. Montana -- 86.2
10. West Virginia -- 86.2
11. Minnesota -- 86.1
12. North Dakota -- 85.6
13. North Carolina -- 85.2
14. Indiana -- 85.1
15. Alabama -- 84.7
15. Virginia -- 84.7
15. Nevada -- 84.7
16 Missouri -- 84.7
19. Ohio -- 84.3
19. South Dakota -- 84.3
21. Colorado -- 84.2
22. Kansas -- 84.0
23. Michigan -- 83.8
24. New Hampshire -- 83.7
25. Tennessee -- 83.4
26. Maine -- 83.2
27. Arkansas -- 83.1
27. South Carolina -- 83.1
29. Georgia -- 82.9
29. New Mexico -- 82.9
31. Oklahoma -- 82.8
32. Texas -- 82.7
33. Utah -- 82.6
33. Arizona -- 82.6
35. Mississippi -- 82.5
35. Delaware -- 82.5
35. Kentucky -- 82.5
38. Pennsylvania -- 82.1
39. Louisiana -- 81.7
40. Illinois -- 81.6
41. Florida -- 81.1
42. Connecticut -- 80.9
43. California -- 80.4
44. Maryland -- 79.8
44. Washington, D.C, -- 79.8
44. New York -- 79.8
47. New Jersey -- 78.3
48. Massachusetts -- 77.2
49. Rhode Island -- 77.0
Anyone agree with the rankings?
Patrick '93 Cobra
flaming/"c/"" @yahoo.com - 28 May 2005 04:11 GMT >When faced with a written test, similar to ones given to beginning >drivers applying for licenses, one in ten drivers couldn't get a [quoted text clipped - 159 lines] >Patrick >'93 Cobra most yankees arent to smart
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NoOption5L@aol.com - 29 May 2005 03:18 GMT > most yankees arent to smart
> hurc ast He can't find the shift key, doesn't use a parenthesis or a period and used the wrong "to", yet he criticizes others for not being _too_ smart.
LMFAO!
hurc ast = an uneducated fat slob, with body odor, buck teeth, and a bad haircut, who sits behind a computer picking his nose while trolling newsgroups.
Patrick '93 Cobra
Spike - 28 May 2005 04:40 GMT What's to agree or disagree with? Were they all given the exact same test? And did the rules they were tested on apply equally in every state? Since the laws can vary considerably from state to state, some of those tested may have been responding as if to a test from their own state. This would throw off the results. If the test was based on procedures which are the same in every state, then the results would be closer to reality.
>When faced with a written test, similar to ones given to beginning >drivers applying for licenses, one in ten drivers couldn't get a [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >knowledge about traffic laws and safety. They were also surveyed about >their general driving habits. Hey! Spikey Likes IT! 1965 Ford Mustang fastback 2+2 A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok Vintage Burgundy w/Black Standard Interior Vintage 40 Wheels 16X8" w/BF Goodrich Comp T/A Radial 225/50ZR16
Ashton Crusher - 28 May 2005 06:39 GMT >What's to agree or disagree with? Were they all given the exact same >test? And did the rules they were tested on apply equally in every [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >procedures which are the same in every state, then the results would >be closer to reality. Without seeing the actual questions there's no way to really judge this. Did they ask meaningful questions like "Should you move to the right when it's clear to do so and let traffic approaching from behind pass?" Or did they ask "Which is the correct answer to How far should your horn be able to be heard, 100 feet, 200 feet, 250 feet, or 1000 feet?", which is really a pointless question as far as how good a driver someone is.
>>When faced with a written test, similar to ones given to beginning >>drivers applying for licenses, one in ten drivers couldn't get a [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >Vintage 40 Wheels 16X8" >w/BF Goodrich Comp T/A Radial 225/50ZR16 -- Jim '88 LX 5.0 (now in car heaven) '89 LX 5.0 vert '99 GT 35th Anniversery Edition - Silver Mods to date - Relocated trunk release to drivers side, shortened throttle cable, PIAA Driving lights.
flaming/"c/"" @yahoo.com - 28 May 2005 07:42 GMT >>What's to agree or disagree with? Were they all given the exact same >>test? And did the rules they were tested on apply equally in every [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >1000 feet?", which is really a pointless question as far as how good a >driver someone is. a fan clutch in an electric fan LMFAO
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Spike - 28 May 2005 20:07 GMT That's what I asked..... : )
>>What's to agree or disagree with? Were they all given the exact same >>test? And did the rules they were tested on apply equally in every [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >1000 feet?", which is really a pointless question as far as how good a >driver someone is. Hey! Spikey Likes IT! 1965 Ford Mustang fastback 2+2 A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok Vintage Burgundy w/Black Standard Interior Vintage 40 Wheels 16X8" w/BF Goodrich Comp T/A Radial 225/50ZR16
Gill - 28 May 2005 06:00 GMT > 1. Oregon -- 89.4 > [quoted text clipped - 98 lines] > Patrick > '93 Cobra I went from 43rd to #1! Give me the hard charger trophy :-) Really though, Oregon drivers seem more in a hurry to go nowhere. Two lane freeways, bumper to bumper and people want to get around and in front of me for some reason? Cali did have lots of gory wrecks. Six lanes both ways, millions of people from around the world,(except California)look out!
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John C. - 28 May 2005 13:09 GMT > 48. Massachusetts -- 77.2 > > 49. Rhode Island -- 77.0 > > Anyone agree with the rankings? NO WAY!!
How can there possibly be drivers _anywhere_ with less of a clue than in MA? Somebody obviously fudged the numbers.
There's a reason I prefer the _train_ into Boston. :( -- John C. '03 Cobra Convt.
Spike - 28 May 2005 20:08 GMT Maybe it was tourist season and they set up the question booth at a roadside rest area near Cape Cod.
>> 48. Massachusetts -- 77.2 >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >There's a reason I prefer the _train_ into Boston. :( Hey! Spikey Likes IT! 1965 Ford Mustang fastback 2+2 A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok Vintage Burgundy w/Black Standard Interior Vintage 40 Wheels 16X8" w/BF Goodrich Comp T/A Radial 225/50ZR16
GEB - 28 May 2005 16:13 GMT "NoOption5L" wrote in a message:
> Anyone agree with the rankings? > > Patrick > '93 Cobra We need to remember that this test was given by GMAC Insurance to (more than likely) Chevy owners. I'd also like to know the ages of the people tested. Especially the ones that failed. Personally, I can't see how a written test about laws, can measure ones ability to drive. That's why they have a written test and a driving test to get a license. I think they should ride with a group of people from each state and grade them on their ability to drive. Then I think the rankings would be fair. We need to also realize that some people do bad on written tests, but fair better on an oral test.
If you want to witness some real BAD drivers, go to Miami, FLA!!! Down there, they think the first one to an intersection, and blows their horn, has the right a way! When I lived and worked down there, I seen a ton of accidents where someone ran a red light and t-boned another car. The person causing the accident would always say, "But I blew my horn first!" One time I was sitting in the left turn lane, with my left turn signal on, and a kid rear ended me, cause he was looking over at his passenger and talking to him. At the very last second, he happened to look forward and see me, and slammed on the brakes! Thank GOD the speed limit was only 35!!!
Gary
Spike - 28 May 2005 20:10 GMT Some shows like 60 Minutes have done that with teen drivers. Scary! But, when you think that most of us were teen drivers and survived... no so scary.
>"NoOption5L" wrote in a message: > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > >Gary Hey! Spikey Likes IT! 1965 Ford Mustang fastback 2+2 A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok Vintage Burgundy w/Black Standard Interior Vintage 40 Wheels 16X8" w/BF Goodrich Comp T/A Radial 225/50ZR16
ZombyWoof - 28 May 2005 16:41 GMT <snip>
>Anyone agree with the rankings? Well I don't have any reason to believe that the people conducting the testing or the rankings had any reason to lie, but a written test is really no indicator what so ever in how good of a driver someone is or is not. Just because they may know all the rules of the road doesn't mean they actually follow them.
Now if they took that data and combined it with the number of citations issues, accidents involved in and total dollar of damages and produced a rank order listing I would have a little more faith in the numbers. Otherwise it is just an exercise in how well people do on a certain test. Proves nothing.
For example NJ, my home state, rank last. Virginia the state I currently live in ranked 14th. Based on my own personal experiences of driving in both places the Virginia drivers are the absolute worst especially in the area of tailgating. Now the drivers in NJ do exceed the posted limit the large majority of the time, but I would rather be passed by a speeder then rammed by a woman on a cell phone (which just recently happened in Virginia).
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NoOption5L@aol.com - 29 May 2005 02:59 GMT > For example NJ, my home state, rank last. Virginia the state I > currently live in ranked 14th. Based on my own personal experiences > of driving in both places the Virginia drivers are the absolute worst > especially in the area of tailgating. I also used to live in VA and agree 100%!!! The vast majority of VA drivers suck! From tailgating, to hordes of left-lane lane bandits, to stopping at the end of on-ramps, to rubber-necking slow downs, to lack of blinker use, to you name it. In fact, while traveling I could tell how close I was getting to the VA border by how bad the drivers were getting... I didn't even need a map.
Yep, VA has the worst drivers I've have ever encountered, bar none.
Patrick '93 Cobra
Michael Johnson, PE - 29 May 2005 03:15 GMT >>For example NJ, my home state, rank last. Virginia the state I >>currently live in ranked 14th. Based on my own personal experiences [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Yep, VA has the worst drivers I've have ever encountered, bar none. Keep in mind that most of those drivers, especially in the Northern Virginia area, are from other states or countries. ;)
Joe - 29 May 2005 23:04 GMT >>>For example NJ, my home state, rank last. Virginia the state I >>>currently live in ranked 14th. Based on my own personal [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Keep in mind that most of those drivers, especially in the Northern > Virginia area, are from other states or countries. ;) I think that everybody pretty much thinks the drivers in their own state are the worst. What this _really_ says is that U.S. drivers in general are horrible.
Michael Johnson, PE - 30 May 2005 00:30 GMT >>>>For example NJ, my home state, rank last. Virginia the state I >>>>currently live in ranked 14th. Based on my own personal [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > state are the worst. What this _really_ says is that U.S. drivers in > general are horrible. Exactly. I can count the number of people I know in Northern Virginia that was born and raised here on two hands. I bet 75% of us are transplants that brought the traffic mess with us. It's probably the same in many other areas.
Spike - 30 May 2005 03:45 GMT It's the case here. This used to rural. Then some magazine aid that this was the place to live because of the fresh air, medical, and all the rest of the pluses, including no gangs, no traffic problems, etc. BOOM! People flocked here to get their families out of the mess in the LA basin, and SF Bay Area. In a very short time we went from about 36,000 to about 100,000. And those people brought with the their ways. They left the cities for the forests, lakes, rivers, clean air, etc. And just as many marriages go, after the ceremony, they tried to change it into what they left behind. They wanted big city shopping, malls, traffic lights, the works. Now we have gang graffiti, traffic tie ups, smog warnings, etc. And they didn't adapt their driving to the rural way, they continue to drive as they did in the major metro areas. Unfortunately, what works in the big city doesn't work in the country. So the accident rate climbs. The running the stoplights and pushing the yellows is rampant. Now we have intersection camera and traffic lights. And the freeway under pass which was two lanes, was widened to 3 by narrowing the lanes. I guess it's fairly common, but it's sad that something very good has to be destroyed in the search for something better.
>Exactly. I can count the number of people I know in Northern Virginia >that was born and raised here on two hands. I bet 75% of us are >transplants that brought the traffic mess with us. It's probably the >same in many other areas. Hey! Spikey Likes IT! 1965 Ford Mustang fastback 2+2 A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok Vintage Burgundy w/Black Standard Interior Vintage 40 Wheels 16X8" w/BF Goodrich Comp T/A Radial 225/50ZR16
ZombyWoof - 30 May 2005 16:53 GMT <snip>
>> I think that everybody pretty much thinks the drivers in their own >> state are the worst. What this _really_ says is that U.S. drivers in [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >transplants that brought the traffic mess with us. It's probably the >same in many other areas. Well I am in the Hampton Roads area and with the extremely large Military presence here that is definitely part of it. Still sucks.
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Michael Johnson, PE - 30 May 2005 17:23 GMT > <snip> > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Well I am in the Hampton Roads area and with the extremely large > Military presence here that is definitely part of it. Still sucks. I find it ironic how people who moved here will complain about traffic as if it is not their fault. When I point out that traffic is bad because of people just like them they either can't see the point or do get it and stop complaining as much. It doesn't matter if you moved here yesterday or 20 years ago, you're still part of the reason traffic is horrible. It's amazing how many people think THEY have a right to move anywhere THEY please but once they're there they have the right to tell others to go elsewhere. Such is human nature, I guess.
Joe - 30 May 2005 19:16 GMT >> <snip> >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > there they have the right to tell others to go elsewhere. Such is > human nature, I guess. I'm in the transient capital of the U.S. (SoFla) and everything you guys are saying is correct.
Spike - 30 May 2005 21:20 GMT My family has been here since before there were cars. (My grandmother's first ride in an auto was in a Stutz Bearcat back when the wagon road was paved with logs.) From what I hear, traffic was bad back then because the roads were one lane wide, mostly unpaved mud or dirt ruts, and used by wagons, carriages, horseback riders, hand carts, and, in time, the first cars. Heaven forbid you should meet someone on one of the twisting mountain roads as they were then. Somebody had to backup quite a ways.
>> <snip> >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >move anywhere THEY please but once they're there they have the right to >tell others to go elsewhere. Such is human nature, I guess. Hey! Spikey Likes IT! 1965 Ford Mustang fastback 2+2 A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok Vintage Burgundy w/Black Standard Interior Vintage 40 Wheels 16X8" w/BF Goodrich Comp T/A Radial 225/50ZR16
Michael Johnson, PE - 30 May 2005 22:57 GMT Then you have a right to complain.
> My family has been here since before there were cars. (My > grandmother's first ride in an auto was in a Stutz Bearcat back when [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > Vintage 40 Wheels 16X8" > w/BF Goodrich Comp T/A Radial 225/50ZR16 Spike - 31 May 2005 01:56 GMT I complain about it, but short of nuclear war bombing us back to the stone age, you can't stop progress.... UNLESS there happens to be some tiny little fish, or lizard, or bug, or bird, that someone thinks is endangered....... then civilization comes to a complete stop.....
>Then you have a right to complain. > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] >> Vintage 40 Wheels 16X8" >> w/BF Goodrich Comp T/A Radial 225/50ZR16 Hey! Spikey Likes IT! 1965 Ford Mustang fastback 2+2 A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok Vintage Burgundy w/Black Standard Interior Vintage 40 Wheels 16X8" w/BF Goodrich Comp T/A Radial 225/50ZR16
RichA - 28 May 2005 23:04 GMT Maybe the blue staters should stay the hell off their cell phones and leaning on their horns?
>When faced with a written test, similar to ones given to beginning >drivers applying for licenses, one in ten drivers couldn't get a [quoted text clipped - 159 lines] >Patrick >'93 Cobra Rod Williams - 29 May 2005 17:32 GMT Just go out on the road on any given day and you will see that half of these people shouldn't be driving. Don't need a test to prove it.
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