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So maybe you're tired of the dollar being worth about as much as a Turkish lira - or just fed up with what you perceive as anti-American sentiment in Europe. Hate not, patriots. The Euros still want to be us, bad. Why else would they start an online petition for Ford to bring the new Mustang to their shores? http://www.neuroticweb.com/mustang/ Do them a favor and go sign the petition right now. This is one case where unabashed American might could just soften those hardened hearts and minds in Old Europe. Patrick '93 Cobra >So maybe you're tired of the dollar being worth about as much as a >Turkish lira - or just fed up with what you perceive as anti-American [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Do them a favor and go sign the petition right now. Don't bother. you can buy them in Europe anyway. It's just that the idea of a sports car with a van style solid rear axle is a bit of a joke in Europe... And American cars are famed for being badly built from cheap materials (see "sports" cars with van style suspensions...). > >So maybe you're tired of the dollar being worth about as much as a > >Turkish lira - or just fed up with what you perceive as anti-American [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >they start an online petition for Ford to bring the new Mustang to > >their shores? > >http://www.neuroticweb.com/mustang/ > >Do them a favor and go sign the petition right now. > Don't bother. you can buy them in Europe anyway. > It's just that the idea of a sports car with a van style solid rear > axle is a bit of a joke in Europe... Until they drive one. Kinda like the folks who dismiss the new Z06 because it still uses pushrods... IDIOTS! Patrick '93 Cobra > And American cars are famed for being badly built from cheap materials > (see "sports" cars with van style suspensions...). >> >So maybe you're tired of the dollar being worth about as much as a >> >Turkish lira - or just fed up with what you perceive as anti-American [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Until they drive one. 1950's pickup style suspension. >Kinda like the folks who dismiss the new Z06 because it still uses >pushrods... IDIOTS! 1950's pickup style engine. Ever wondered why so few American built cars are sold around the world? >>> >So maybe you're tired of the dollar being worth about as much as a >>> >Turkish lira - or just fed up with what you perceive as anti-American [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > Ever wondered why so few American built cars are sold around the > world? Well, SIZE is one reason. Not offering right hand drive in many models is another. And those awful, bloody, import and engine-size taxes are a killer. Not to mention that the parts pipelines are awfully awfully long. They become the "foreign" car once outside the US - not to mention the computer diagnostics equipment. I have friends in the UK that put up with the inconvenience and drive Corvettes, Cadillacs, Camaros and Firebirds. I know one thing for sure: would LOVE to have a new Z06 in Europe and watch that "ancient" push rod technology run alongside the Ferraris, Lamborghinis, etc., at 1/3rd the price. I can also see driving up in a red Z06 at an AGIP in Italy, a TOTAL in France -- take half an hour to pry the people off the car. And park at a decent restaurant along the Amalfitana - wow! Hehehehehee! Joel Jacobs Commerce, Texas/Naples, Italy >> Ever wondered why so few American built cars are sold around the >> world? > >Well, SIZE is one reason. Not offering right hand drive in many models is >another. And those awful, bloody, import and engine-size taxes are a killer. 10% import duty?? >>> Ever wondered why so few American built cars are sold around the >>> world? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >10% import duty?? Those socialist amerikaners have a funny slant on things, don't they. >>>> Ever wondered why so few American built cars are sold around the >>>> world? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Those socialist amerikaners have a funny slant on things, don't they. Note how Europeans are free to import any car (not that anyone does) but Americans cannot import any car they choose... >>>>> Ever wondered why so few American built cars are sold around the >>>>> world? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Note how Europeans are free to import any car (not that anyone does) > but Americans cannot import any car they choose... Who the hell in his/her right mind would import most US cars into Europe? I've lived in Europe off an on for the past 25 years, so you "ain't" talking with the "average" Yank. There are many Euro cars we don't import here into the US. Getting spares for a Renault, TVR, Peugeot, even Fiats do not make it sensible to do so. And then, finding a tech to work on them is another story entirely as well. In Europe I found ONE guy who could do the diagnostics on a Corvette while living in Southern Italy and he had the equipment to work on them because he owned both a ZR-1, and a convertible. >>>>10% import duty?? >>> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Who the hell in his/her right mind would import most US cars into Europe? It's a choice thing. >I've lived in Europe off an on for the past 25 years, so you "ain't" talking >with the "average" Yank. Fair enough. >There are many Euro cars we don't import here into the US. Getting spares >for a Renault, TVR, Peugeot, even Fiats do not make it sensible to do so. >And then, finding a tech to work on them is another story entirely as well. The differance is that you *can't* import them, at least not for road use. >In Europe I found ONE guy who could do the diagnostics on a Corvette while >living in Southern Italy and he had the equipment to work on them because he >owned both a ZR-1, and a convertible. People in Europe have long forggoten how pushrod engines work? >>>>>10% import duty?? >>>> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > People in Europe have long forggoten how pushrod engines work? If this weren't so silly it would be laughable. Multi-overhead camshaft cars have inherent problems as well, so it's a matter of choice and construction. Each has some inherent problems, each has some distinct advantages. One advantage of a push-rod engine is getting very high performance for a very low cost. I've owned Jags, MGs, MBs, BMWs, Porsches, Audis, Minis, etc. so I'm familiar with both systems. My lanky old push-rod-driven C4 Corvette with 124,000 miles on the clock will still nudge the 165 mph mark, cut 0-60 in 5.2 seconds, and gives me better than 25mpg cruising at 75mph with the AC on. And everything on the car works! which is far more than one can say about the normal British cars. UK build quality has a horrid reputation here in the US, has had for years - and the reputation was/is well deserved. Even those of us who loved your cars grew to detest them because of the faulty carbs, electricals, and poor workmanship. I'm very much a fan of the UK, having spent a great deal of time there for both business and pleasure. And, to be sure you have some cars that I still love. Do us all a favor, don't be an a.s and alienate those of us who are fond of both you and your country, as well as your cars - faults and all. > People in Europe have long forggoten how pushrod engines work? They must not follow the Lemans series then because Ferrari and the rest in their class must be getting sick of being lapped by the pushrod Corvettes and seeing their tail-lights fade in the distance! ;-) >>>>>10% import duty?? >>>> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > People in Europe have long forggoten how pushrod engines work? And that oil is supposed to stay inside the engine, and electrics are supposed to work for more than a week. Al >>> Ever wondered why so few American built cars are sold around the >>> world? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > 10% import duty?? Perhaps the UK, not so in Italy and other countries on the Continent. The taxes will take your breath - not to mention the tax on the displacement of engine. .......will it be Corvettes or Mustangs that become the new must have car for people who live in trailer parks? http://www.drbukk.com/gmhom/park.html >.......will it be Corvettes or Mustangs that become the new must have >car for people who live in trailer parks? > >http://www.drbukk.com/gmhom/park.html Finally admitting you long to live in a trailer park rather than on a smelly mattress in your breaker yard? If you weren't a low class loser and an Ecstasy junkie you might be able to afford a Mustang or Corvette one day instead of racking up more negative feedback on ebay for being a deadbeat. I'm still * ASTOUNDED* our teenager still carry more pocket change than you can collect in two weeks. --- Would you buy rusted car parts from this man ? http://img147.echo.cx/img147/7369/guvnor4pn.jpg I see you're still a deadbeat on ebay euromerc. Most of us carry more than the equivilent of £3.20 in pocket change. ---EBAY FEEDBACK FOR EUROMERC he won auction... no payment and no communication at all.... avoid? Seller trident900man ( 63) 07-Apr-05 10:27 4537563471 Reply by euromerc: Never gave me a chance to collect and pay him his £3.20....a neg over £3.20???? --- >>.......will it be Corvettes or Mustangs that become the new must have >>car for people who live in trailer parks? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Finally admitting you long to live in a trailer park rather than on a >smelly mattress in your breaker yard? You mistake your so called life for mine. >If you weren't a low class loser and an Ecstasy junkie you might be able to afford a Mustang or >Corvette one day instead of racking up more negative feedback on ebay >for being a deadbeat. Still obsessing over ebay feedback, Ugly Sarah? >I'm still * ASTOUNDED* our teenager still carry more pocket change >than you can collect in two weeks. If only that was true, perhaps you would not be quite so filled with envy... >>>.......will it be Corvettes or Mustangs that become the new must have >>>car for people who live in trailer parks? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >You mistake your so called life for mine. >>If you weren't a low class loser and an Ecstasy junkie you might be able to afford a Mustang or >>Corvette one day instead of racking up more negative feedback on ebay >>for being a deadbeat. > >Still obsessing over ebay feedback, Ugly Sarah? Still * ASTOUNDED* you're a low class deadbeat Ecstasy junkie. >>I'm still * ASTOUNDED* our teenager still carry more pocket change >>than you can collect in two weeks. > >If only that was true, perhaps you would not be quite so filled with >envy... Who would envy that you're a low class junk man who can't scrape up the equivalent of pocket change in two weeks? --- Would you buy rusted car parts from this man ? http://img147.echo.cx/img147/7369/guvnor4pn.jpg I see you're still a deadbeat on ebay euromerc. Most of us carry more than the equivilent of £3.20 in pocket change. ---EBAY FEEDBACK FOR EUROMERC he won auction... no payment and no communication at all.... avoid? Seller trident900man ( 63) 07-Apr-05 10:27 4537563471 Reply by euromerc: Never gave me a chance to collect and pay him his £3.20....a neg over £3.20???? --- >>Still obsessing over ebay feedback, Ugly Sarah? > >Still * ASTOUNDED* you're a low class deadbeat Ecstasy junkie. This from a confused *ugly* old woman who likes to be called "Ken"?? >>>I'm still * ASTOUNDED* our teenager still carry more pocket change >>>than you can collect in two weeks. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Who would envy that you're a low class junk man who can't scrape up >the equivalent of pocket change in two weeks? You it would seem... >>>Still obsessing over ebay feedback, Ugly Sarah? >> >>Still * ASTOUNDED* you're a low class deadbeat Ecstasy junkie. > >This from a confused *ugly* old woman who likes to be called "Ken"?? Why wouldn't I be called Ken when it's my name you bloated gerbil stuffer. >>>>I'm still * ASTOUNDED* our teenager still carry more pocket change >>>>than you can collect in two weeks. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >You it would seem... You it would seem can't get past the humiliation of being played and then f.cked over by the longest running troll, on usenet. > I ... bloated gerbil >>>Still * ASTOUNDED* you're a low class deadbeat Ecstasy junkie. >> >>This from a confused *ugly* old woman who likes to be called "Ken"?? > >Why wouldn't I be called Ken when it's my name you bloated gerbil >stuffer. It's only your name when you socking as "Ken", innit. >>>>>I'm still * ASTOUNDED* our teenager still carry more pocket change >>>>>than you can collect in two weeks. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >You it would seem can't get past the humiliation of being played and >then f.cked over by the longest running troll, on usenet. Your usenet adventure has been one long humiliation, has it not. And now at the end of it you've been outed (by you and your sockpuppet) as a silly *ugly* old woman. BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! > .......will it be Corvettes or Mustangs that become the new must have > car for people who live in trailer parks? > > http://www.drbukk.com/gmhom/park.html "An uneven lot can be turned into an asset with only a few cement blocks. Notice the strategic placement of blocks holding up the back end of this fine example of "trailer bending." Placing more blocks in the center of the home would destroy its gentle curve and completely spoil the striking effect. Trailer bending is also practical; spills flow to the lowest point in the trailer. This not only saves clean-up time but also makes it easy to feed the dogs. As a side note, the beer can and cigarette carton yard ornaments add colorful garden whimsy." AAAHAAAAHAAAAA!!! YOU'RE KILLING ME !!! *Webzpider* Homo AmericAnus : N onthinking R ectumsniffing A nthropoids Waiving the right to remain silent, "Webzpider" <yanks@re.worthless.trailer.trash> said: > AAAHAAAAHAAAAA!!! YOU'RE KILLING ME !!! Someone please let us know when it's over.  SignatureLarry J. - Remove spamtrap in ALLCAPS to e-mail The United States is the greatest country in the world..! Twenty-five million illegal aliens can't be wrong. Waiving the right to remain silent, the guvnor <pizzalovingcriminal@allstars.gg> said: > Ever wondered why so few American built cars are sold around the > world? Because you double the price with import taxes. Yurop has never played fair with auto imports from the US. SignatureLarry J. - Remove spamtrap in ALLCAPS to e-mail The United States is the greatest country in the world..! Twenty-five million illegal aliens can't be wrong. >Waiving the right to remain silent, the guvnor ><pizzalovingcriminal@allstars.gg> said: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Because you double the price with import taxes. Import duty is 10% >Yurop has never played fair with auto imports from the US. Note how the US car market is closed to true competition due to your fedralisation rules. >>Waiving the right to remain silent, the guvnor >><pizzalovingcriminal@allstars.gg> said: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Note how the US car market is closed to true competition due to your > fedralisation rules. Improve your friggin' build quality on cars other than the Rolls, and Americans might well buy your cars - IF you build them to world standards of crash worthiness. I loved Rover, but Rovers - other than the old Land Rovers - were pieces of crap. AND, your cars are expensive! Parts were expensive, a decent mechanic was hardly ever to be found. I don't think you realize just how large this country is. All the countries of the UK are smaller than the single state of Oregon. >>>Yurop has never played fair with auto imports from the US. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Rovers - were pieces of crap. AND, your cars are expensive! Parts were >expensive, a decent mechanic was hardly ever to be found. An American crying about car build quality??? >I don't think you realize just how large this country is. Smaller than Russia, Canada and China. Note how you never hear people from those larger countries banging on about how big they are... >All the countries of the UK are smaller than the single state of Oregon. So what? >>>>Yurop has never played fair with auto imports from the US. >>> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > So what? I actually thought we might make some headway. As I said earlier, I'm one of the guys that LIKES you guys. I don't know your age, so it may well be that you don't remember how horrid the build quality of British motorcars was back in the 1960s and 1970s. Unfortunately the people my age do remember how bad those cars were - the same was true of French and most Italian cars - and as such people have shunned, in many ways, the purchase of European cars other than the German cars which held up to long-distance driving - and cars that went fast. And back in those days few Americans could actually afford a Jag and certainly could not afford a machine such as an Aston Martin. Most of the small underpowered cars that were shipped over here by most European builders were ill-suited to American use. It's not uncommon for an American to climb into an automobile and take a multi-thousand mile trip - THAT's why I mention the size of the United States vs. the United Kingdom. I bought another Corvette 3 years ago. I purchased it in California - I live in Texas - flew out, got the car and drove it home via Colorado - that's more than 2,400 miles. I put new shocks on it, repaired the radio antenna (the car was used) and promptly took a 7,000 mile trip around the United States. American cars do this easily. They're large enough for comfort. Economical enough to warrant a trip such as that, and manage the trip with aplomb. In July I'm leaving the Dallas area driving to visit friends in Tennessee, West Virginia, Virginia, and New York, a trip of more than 4,000 miles. This will be my 5th such trip - in excess of 2,000 miles per trip. American build quality used to be almost as bad as British build quality, but the Japanese spanked us so thoroughly that we had no choice but to begin building better cars, and we do. Those American cars are ill-suited for use in the UK for the reasons stated earlier. I drove Porsches and BMWs for years, but when I moved back to the United States and small-town America (70 miles from the nearest BMW or Porsche parts and diagnostics centers) I went back to driving something I could get repaired here - population 9,500. For a performance two-seater the obvious choice was Corvette. I can get a Corvette repaired at any of the 4,500+ Chevy dealers in towns scattered across America. Joel I normally avoid these pissing contests, but the fact remains that Americans buy cars normally that they can drive wherever they feel like going, which may be to the corner store or 3000 miles away. Unfortunately, many British cars would fail at the second. An American car typically gets its oil changed at 5000 miles, if the owner remembers. It will go 150,000 miles before any major work and quite often will get 200,000 miles on before it is scrapped out. However, in my share of British cars, 5000 miles on an oil change was like Russian roulette and usually would never make 150,000 miles. Part of that was you traded them after a half dozen rain storms because you bought a car to drive, not sit on the side of the road waiting for it to dry out. Been there, done that, spent my time in Europe. Loved it, had fun, but don't compare cars when they are built for two very different environments. > >>>Yurop has never played fair with auto imports from the US. > >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > So what? I should add that I took a 1500 mile trip once in England. Ran from East Anglia up to Liverpool into Scotland and back down. Most people in England could not grasp the idea, and when they did, they thought I was absolutely nuts to attempt such a "LONG" trip over a long weekend. Yet here in America a few years back, I frequently made trips between Missouri and South Florida, roughly 1200 miles one way, on weekends. So my 2400 mile trips dwarf that 1500 mile trip in England. I have been known to commute 100 miles one way to work daily. BTW, the fine English car broke, not once, but twice. I also had a wonderful leak of water pouring through the windscreen. It fortunately did not stall in the rain. It waited a few weeks to do that later on the A45 east of Cambridge. I had a roommate who had a Rover 3500. Fast car, compared to other British cars. Yet the thing had all the quality of a '52 Plymouth. Handled about as well. Unlike Russia, Canada, and China, the vast majority of our people have cars and actually drive them long distance. It isn't (and wasn't) uncommon for a family to drive from coast to coast. Such a trip in Russia would be beyond what most could do. Many parts of Canada does not have roads, or at least not in some months of the year. China? > >>>Yurop has never played fair with auto imports from the US. > >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > So what? Thanks, Tom. Joel We have roads. You just have to watch out for the polar bears and Eskimos when drive your dogsled on them. Seriously though. . . The highway system tends to mimic the population of the country. 85% of the population live within 300 km of the US border. That said, there are decent roads to populated areas in the north. In the winter the roads are kept open. http://www.northernfrontier.com/10_Explore/road.html#faq > Many parts of Canada does not have roads, or at least > not in some months of the year. Waiving the right to remain silent, the guvnor <pizzalovingcriminal@allstars.gg> said: >>>>Yurop has never played fair with auto imports from the US. >>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Smaller than Russia, Canada and China. How about marketwise..? SignatureLarry J. - Remove spamtrap in ALLCAPS to e-mail The United States is the greatest country in the world..! Twenty-five million illegal aliens can't be wrong. >Waiving the right to remain silent, the guvnor ><pizzalovingcriminal@allstars.gg> said: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >How about marketwise..? The Russians have more oil, the Canadians more timber and China dominated world manufacturing. What is it that you people do? >>Waiving the right to remain silent, the guvnor >><pizzalovingcriminal@allstars.gg> said: [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > >What is it that you people do? Make you say stupid things. Signature"Either kill me or take me as I am, because I'll be damned if I ever change..." The Marquis de Sade >>Waiving the right to remain silent, the guvnor >><pizzalovingcriminal@allstars.gg> said: [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > >What is it that you people do? I'd just like to point out that Canadian tar sands reserves are larger than any other oil reserves current exploitable. So dump the A-rabs, you Americans and switch wholly to Canadian oil! No more dealing with the scum in the Middle East! You can let them nuke each other! Waiving the right to remain silent, RichA <none@none.com> said: > I'd just like to point out that Canadian tar sands reserves > are larger than any other oil reserves current exploitable. > So dump the A-rabs, you Americans and switch wholly to Canadian > oil! No more dealing with the scum in the Middle East! You > can let them nuke each other! We're also very rich in shale oil. Millions of acres of it in Colorado, Wyoming and Utah. Still a bit expensive to process, but the methods are getting much more economical. We also get a lot of sun - much more than Canada. ;-) SignatureLarry J. - Remove spamtrap in ALLCAPS to e-mail The United States is the greatest country in the world..! Twenty-five million illegal aliens can't be wrong. >We also get a lot of sun - much more than Canada. ;-) They aren't called " Snowbirds" for nuthin'. :) --- Guvner, a 300 pound grease caked gerbil stuffer <http://img147.echo.cx/img147/7369/guvnor4pn.jpg>: "why go to a pub, down 10 pints of beer and get into a fight, when you can take ecstasy, go to a rave and meet hundreds of beautiful people" "George \"Pops\" Foster" <Jazzy@bass.gov> Message-ID: <rTFoe.19423$HP1.1806@fe08.lga> addressing Nick the Guvner: "All I've noted was how sarah ridiculed you yet again." Waiving the right to remain silent, the guvnor <pizzalovingcriminal@allstars.gg> said: > The Russians have more oil, the Canadians more timber and China > dominated world manufacturing. Where does that leave Yurop, then..? > What is it that you people do? We used to save your cowardly a.ses every few decades, but we're done wih that after the thankless task of rebuilding Yurop a couple of times. Bye... SignatureLarry J. - Remove spamtrap in ALLCAPS to e-mail The United States is the greatest country in the world..! Twenty-five million illegal aliens can't be wrong. >Waiving the right to remain silent, the guvnor ><pizzalovingcriminal@allstars.gg> said: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Where does that leave Yurop, then..? Running it all. >> What is it that you people do? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Bye... You off? Waiving the right to remain silent, the guvnor <pizzalovingcriminal@allstars.gg> said: >>Waiving the right to remain silent, the guvnor >><pizzalovingcriminal@allstars.gg> said: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Running it all. Just "running" is more truthful. SignatureLarry J. - Remove spamtrap in ALLCAPS to e-mail The United States is the greatest country in the world..! Twenty-five million illegal aliens can't be wrong. >>>> The Russians have more oil, the Canadians more timber and China >>>> dominated world manufacturing. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Just "running" is more truthful. This from a Frenchman??? Waiving the right to remain silent, the guvnor <pizzalovingcriminal@allstars.gg> said: >>>>> The Russians have more oil, the Canadians more timber and China >>>>> dominated world manufacturing. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > This from a Frenchman??? The only Frenchman here left a couple of weeks ago. He couldn't keep up. SignatureLarry J. - Remove spamtrap in ALLCAPS to e-mail The United States is the greatest country in the world..! Twenty-five million illegal aliens can't be wrong. >>Waiving the right to remain silent, the guvnor >><pizzalovingcriminal@allstars.gg> said: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Running it all. You mean "Running AND all". SignatureChris F. Long Island. "A country soars its highest when it soars on the Wings of Freedom." God Bless America. >>>>The Russians have more oil, the Canadians more timber and China >>>>dominated world manufacturing. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >You mean "Running AND all". We Europeans run the world, note how you chubby Americans aspire to all thinks European... >>>>>The Russians have more oil, the Canadians more timber and China >>>>>dominated world manufacturing. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >We Europeans run the world, note how you chubby Americans aspire to >all thinks European... Most I know shun all things European. Signature"Either kill me or take me as I am, because I'll be damned if I ever change..." The Marquis de Sade >>We Europeans run the world, note how you chubby Americans aspire to >>all thinks European... >> >Most I know shun all things European. Quality always costs more... >>>We Europeans run the world, note how you chubby Americans aspire to >>>all thinks European... >> >>Most I know shun all things European. > > Quality always costs more... How would you know? SignatureChris F. Long Island. "A country soars its highest when it soars on the Wings of Freedom." God Bless America. >>>>We Europeans run the world, note how you chubby Americans aspire to >>>>all thinks European... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >How would you know? Because I'm a quality European surrounded by quality things, innit. >>>>>We Europeans run the world, note how you chubby Americans aspire to >>>>>all thinks European... [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Because I'm a quality European surrounded by quality things, innit. Sure - quality rusted auto parts, innit. SignatureChris F. Long Island. "A country soars its highest when it soars on the Wings of Freedom." God Bless America. >>>>>Most I know shun all things European. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Sure - quality rusted auto parts, innit. How could rusted ones be quality?? >>>>>>Most I know shun all things European. >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > How could rusted ones be quality?? I don't know, but you said you are surrounded by european quality. SignatureChris F. Long Island. "A country soars its highest when it soars on the Wings of Freedom." God Bless America. >>>>>>>Most I know shun all things European. >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >I don't know, but you said you are surrounded by european quality. Quality European cars don't rust. >>>>>>>>Most I know shun all things European. >>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Quality European cars don't rust. And which ones would they be, the ones now owned by American Car Companies like GM, Ford & Chrysler? Signature"Either kill me or take me as I am, because I'll be damned if I ever change..." The Marquis de Sade >>Quality European cars don't rust. >> >And which ones would they be, the ones now owned by American Car >Companies like GM, Ford & Chrysler? This would be the Chrysler owned by Mercedes? >>>Quality European cars don't rust. >>> >>And which ones would they be, the ones now owned by American Car >>Companies like GM, Ford & Chrysler? > >This would be the Chrysler owned by Mercedes? Yeah the one with it's World HQ's in Ny, NY. Signature"Either kill me or take me as I am, because I'll be damned if I ever change..." The Marquis de Sade >>>>Quality European cars don't rust. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> >Yeah the one with it's World HQ's in Ny, NY. "The headquarters of DaimlerChrysler, which houses the Board of Management and the central CEO support staffs, is located in Stuttgart-Möhringen." http://www.daimlerchrysler.com/dccom/0,,0-5-8792-1-150944-1-0-0-0-0-0-91-7155-0- 0-0-0-0-0-0,00.html >>>Quality European cars don't rust. >> >>And which ones would they be, the ones now owned by American Car >>Companies like GM, Ford & Chrysler? > > This would be the Chrysler owned by Mercedes? Or Jaguar, Aster Martin, and Land Rover owned by Ford? SignatureChris F. Long Island. "A country soars its highest when it soars on the Wings of Freedom." God Bless America. >>>We Europeans run the world, note how you chubby Americans aspire to >>>all thinks European... >>> >>Most I know shun all things European. > >Quality always costs more... Wasn't for quality reasons that's for sure. It isn't just the procurement price either, it is the on-going maintenance costs. Expensive as hell to keep most European high-end cars on the road while maintaining the regular maintenance schedule. Anyhow if you wait around long enough the Japanese will rip-off any innovation you can come up with anyway, improve it and sell it cheaper. Signature"Either kill me or take me as I am, because I'll be damned if I ever change..." The Marquis de Sade >Anyhow if you wait around long enough the Japanese will rip-off any >innovation you can come up with anyway, improve it and sell it >cheaper. It's what they've done with any junk that the americans have ever come up with, that's for sure. >>>>>>The Russians have more oil, the Canadians more timber and China >>>>>>dominated world manufacturing. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Most I know shun all things European. Guv lives in a dream world. It's not his fault though, dreams are all they've got left after we took their empire. SignatureChris F. Long Island. "A country soars its highest when it soars on the Wings of Freedom." God Bless America. >>>>>The Russians have more oil, the Canadians more timber and China >>>>>dominated world manufacturing. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > We Europeans run the world, note how you chubby Americans aspire to > all thinks European... I never got the memo. SignatureChris F. Long Island. "A country soars its highest when it soars on the Wings of Freedom." God Bless America. >>>>>>The Russians have more oil, the Canadians more timber and China >>>>>>dominated world manufacturing. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >I never got the memo. We sent it to your masters in Israel. >>>>>>>The Russians have more oil, the Canadians more timber and China >>>>>>>dominated world manufacturing. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > We sent it to your masters in Israel. Must have gotten blown up on a bus with 15 kids on there way to school. SignatureChris F. Long Island. "A country soars its highest when it soars on the Wings of Freedom." God Bless America. >>>>>>>>The Russians have more oil, the Canadians more timber and China >>>>>>>>dominated world manufacturing. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Must have gotten blown up on a bus with 15 kids on there way to school. Those nasty Israelis will blow up anything that moves, remember what they did to your USS Liberty? >>>>>>>>>The Russians have more oil, the Canadians more timber and China >>>>>>>>>dominated world manufacturing. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Those nasty Israelis will blow up anything that moves, remember what > they did to your USS Liberty? Sure I remember. I haven't forgotten though. Hey, remember the Battle of Plattsburgh? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Plattsburgh SignatureChris F. Long Island. "A country soars its highest when it soars on the Wings of Freedom." God Bless America. > Those nasty Israelis will blow up anything that moves Is that some of that quality European anti-Semitism? You're a cog in a Statist machine, Eurotrash. >> Those nasty Israelis will blow up anything that moves > >Is that some of that quality European anti-Semitism? How is it anti-semitic????? >>> Those nasty Israelis will blow up anything that moves >> >>Is that some of that quality European anti-Semitism? > >How is it anti-semitic????? Any time you mention "Israel" or "Jew" these loonies start squawking "anti-semite" like a bunch of stuck pigs. They're trained to do it from birth, doesn't matter what you say that's their automatic response. Like the merkins that they rule they have no free will. >>Waiving the right to remain silent, the guvnor >><pizzalovingcriminal@allstars.gg> said: [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > >What is it that you people do? The Russians need our technology to locate, drill and pump their oil out of the ground in the severe weather conditions of Siberia. Ninety percent of Canaduh's population lives within 10 miles of the US Border and most of them work for US owned companies. China does not manufacture much of anything. What they really do is assemble products that are shipped to them and then ship back the finished product. This is possible because they are willing to do the scut work for next to nothing. What we do is research and develop the next generation of high technology and then ship it out to the lesser breeds where eventually it filters down to junk yard niggers to scrounge thru for scraps. > Ninety percent of Canaduh's population lives within 10 miles of the US > Border and most of them work for US owned companies. Your ignorance of geography and business is truly astounding! You are truly as dumb as a post if you believe that! Better take a look at a map! Canada has a population of about 30 million people. Windsor, Ontario is the only sizeable Canadian border town and it has a population of only 304,430 people or 1% of Canada's population. Most Canadian border towns are indeed very small towns. Toronto, Ontario on the other hand has a population of 4.5 million people and is the largest city in Canada. Toronto is about 80 miles from the nearest U.S. border crossing. Montreal, Quebec is the second largest city in Canada with a population of about 2 million. Montreal is about 90 miles from the nearest U.S. border point. Ottawa, Ontario has a population of about 1.2 million and is 61 miles from the border. London, Ontario has a population of 331,000 and is 132 miles from the border. Vancouver, British Columbia has a population of about 600,000 people and is about 235 miles from the nearest U.S. border point. Victoria, British Columbia has a population of about 300,000 and is about 210 miles from the nearest U.S. border. Edmonton, Alberta has a population of about 800,000 people and is about 633 miles from the nearest U.S. border town. Calgary, Alberta had a population of about 1 million people and is about 455 miles from the nearest U.S. border point. Winnipeg, Manitoba has a population of just over 650,000 and is 69 miles from the U.S. border. From this handful of 9 random Canadian cities I have shown that 11.4 million people live well beyond 10 miles of the U.S. border. Do the math - that's about 38% of Canada's population in 9 cities and all beyond your 10 mile statement. I would hazard a guess that well less than 5% of Canada's population are within 10 miles of the U.S. border. Dumbass!!! As to who they work for, I can only assure you that "most of them" do not "work for US owned companies." Outside of the auto manufacturers, Canada's largest employers are Federal and Provincial governments, Canadian Financial Institutions (which dwarf most U.S. financial institutions!) Canadian Insurance Institutions, Educational Institutions, Canadian owned and operated Utility Companies including numerous nuclear power generating stations, thousands upon thousands of independent business operators and manufacturers. My friend, I would like to humbly suggest that you are either a fool or an actor playing a fool!!! >> Ninety percent of Canaduh's population lives within 10 miles of the US >> Border and most of them work for US owned companies. [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] >manufacturers. My friend, I would like to humbly suggest that you are >either a fool or an actor playing a fool!!! "He" is actually a bipolar housewife from New Jersey -"he" has no life as such, and spends 24/7 making inane posts to usenet under various nyms. "He" is currently posting mainly as "Ken Ehrett" and "Sara Czepiel" with a few extra nyms thrown in. "Ken" in real life is a bipolar alcoholic. Hope this explains "his" bizarre behaviour. > > Ninety percent of Canaduh's population lives within 10 miles of the US > > Border and most of them work for US owned companies. > > > Your ignorance of geography and business is truly astounding! You are truly > as dumb as a post if you believe that! Better take a look at a map! Canada > has a population of about 30 million people. Windsor, Ontario is the only The last time I was in Orlando, 1/4 of them were there at Disney, Universal, etc. When I was in Fort La di da, I think I found another fourth. :-) Then in April, they all go home. > from the nearest U.S. border crossing. Montreal, Quebec is the second > largest city in Canada with a population of about 2 million. Montreal is > about 90 miles from the nearest U.S. border point. Ottawa, Ontario has a When I worked in Plattsburgh about 20 years ago, I was amazed to find Montreal was so far away, because there must have been 5 Canadian cars for every US car in P'burgh. the locals told me that the Canadians come down, shop, eat, etc, and then drive home on a regular basis. So I decided to drive to Montreal, since I did want to visit and it had to be close. Well, I drove and I drove and I drove across a vast nothingness until I hit the border. I pity those guys commute. Then I drove and I drove and I drove across another vast nothingness until I finally got to Montreal. I can't imagine people driving all that way on a regular basis to shop. Of course, I think I found out why. Do you know how hard it is to order in a McDonald's in Montreal? :-) snip> > Of course, I think I found out why. Do you know how hard it is to order > in > a McDonald's in Montreal? :-) LMAO! Tom, I found that out when my wife and I drove through Montreal with the kids on our way to the east coast. We didn't make the same mistake on the way back. We came back state-side through Bangor, Maine where we all spoke the same language! >> Ninety percent of Canaduh's population lives within 10 miles of the US >> Border and most of them work for US owned companies. [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] >manufacturers. My friend, I would like to humbly suggest that you are >either a fool or an actor playing a fool!!! So most Canadians live within 100 miles or easy commuting distance of the US. BFD. Signature"Either kill me or take me as I am, because I'll be damned if I ever change..." The Marquis de Sade > So most Canadians live within 100 miles or easy commuting distance of > the US. BFD. Our mommas didn't raise no fools! We know who our biggest export market is. ;-) >> So most Canadians live within 100 miles or easy commuting distance of >> the US. BFD. > >Our mommas didn't raise no fools! We know who our biggest export market is. >;-) lmfao we know toooo $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ f.ck it only took 3 passenger jets to fock your economy LMFAO h u r c a s t Waiving the right to remain silent, "StingRay" <StingRay@Vette.com> said: > Do the math - that's about 38% of > Canada's population in 9 cities and all beyond your 10 mile > statement. I would hazard a guess that well less than 5% of > Canada's population are within 10 miles of the U.S. border. > Dumbass!!! Oh, big f.cking deal - he exaggerated by 80 miles. The point is that the vast majority of Canadians live with a two or three hour drive of the US border. SignatureLarry J. - Remove spamtrap in ALLCAPS to e-mail The United States is the greatest country in the world..! Twenty-five million illegal aliens can't be wrong. > Oh, big f.cking deal - he exaggerated by 80 miles. The point is that > the vast majority of Canadians live with a two or three hour drive of > the US border. Typical mouth breather response. 10 miles - 100 miles - what's the difference? Get back to the trailer park Larry The Frog! >>Oh, big f.cking deal - he exaggerated by 80 miles. The point is that >>the vast majority of Canadians live with a two or three hour drive of >>the US border. > > Typical mouth breather response. 10 miles - 100 miles - what's the > difference? Actually, I remember the figures being more like 20 miles, but anyway, when you are talking about a country as large as Canada with vast majority of people living within a short driving distance from the border, 100 miles means spit! > Get back to the trailer park Larry The Frog! it figures how all you sports car nuts have something stupid to say. Proof that you brains are about as big as your cocks. Read a book or two and buy the pump. SignatureChris F. Long Island. "A country soars its highest when it soars on the Wings of Freedom." God Bless America. > Actually, I remember the figures being more like 20 miles, Don't hold us accountable for your bad memory Chris! > but anyway, when you are talking about a country as large as Canada with > vast majority of people living within a short driving distance from the > border, 100 miles means spit! Chris, it's evident that you didn't spend much (if any) time in school, or you'd know that historically when both Canada and the U.S. were being settled, towns and cities were founded on the shores of major banks and rivers. The fact that a large percentage of Canadians live so close to the U.S. has more to do with "The Great Lakes" (Did you ever hear of The Great Lakes Chris?) than a burning desire to live close to the U.S. border. Get the connection Chris? No? Well let me spell it out for you Chris - it was all about transportation! Duh! >> Get back to the trailer park Larry The Frog! > > it figures how all you sports car nuts have something stupid to say. Proof > that you brains are about as big as your cocks. What is it with the gay community's preoccupation with the male anatomy? Penis envy will get you nowwhere Chris. >Read a book or two and buy the pump. It's clear what you read Chris and kiddie porn isn't acceptable in Canada Chris. Waiving the right to remain silent, "StingRay" <StingRay@Vette.com> said: > "Larry J." <usenet2@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> a.k.a > larrythefrog@cox.net Atlanta, G.A. stopped breathing through his [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Typical mouth breather response. 10 miles - 100 miles - what's > the difference? Get back to the trailer park Larry The Frog! So I see you've got nothing but insults as your response to the truth. SignatureLarry J. - Remove spamtrap in ALLCAPS to e-mail The United States is the greatest country in the world..! Twenty-five million illegal aliens can't be wrong. >> Typical mouth breather response. 10 miles - 100 miles - what's >> the difference? Get back to the trailer park Larry The Frog! > > So I see you've got nothing but insults as your response to the > truth. First of all, that wasn't intended as an insult. Is not your name posted in your NG I.D. as "Larry The Frog"? I didn't post that name, you did! What truth was that Larry? Surely you aren't still sticking to the claim that 90% of Canadians live within 10 miles of the border???!!! You are indeed as dumb as a post! Is it so hard to admit that you are wrong? Waiving the right to remain silent, "StingRay" <StingRay@Vette.com> said: >>> Typical mouth breather response. 10 miles - 100 miles - what's >>> the difference? Get back to the trailer park Larry The Frog! [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > name posted in your NG I.D. as "Larry The Frog"? I didn't post > that name, you did! I know what's in my headers. I put it there. The "moutbreather" commet was the insult, you idiot. > What truth was that Larry? Surely you aren't still sticking to > the claim that 90% of Canadians live within 10 miles of the > border???!!! You are indeed as dumb as a post! Is it so hard to > admit that you are wrong? Obviously, you didn't bother to read what I wrote. FOAD. SignatureLarry J. - Remove spamtrap in ALLCAPS to e-mail The United States is the greatest country in the world..! Twenty-five million illegal aliens can't be wrong. >>The Russians have more oil, the Canadians more timber and China >>dominated world manufacturing. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >The Russians need our technology to locate, drill and pump their oil >out of the ground in the severe weather conditions of Siberia. The Russians are experts and have their own equipment for that task. >Ninety percent of Canaduh's population lives within 10 miles of the US >Border and most of them work for US owned companies. Another lie. >China does not manufacture much of anything. ??? >What they really do is assemble products that are shipped to them and then ship back the >finished product. So why then are the Chinese the worlds leading buyer of steel and scrap metal? >niggers Get back to the kitchen "Ken". >>>The Russians have more oil, the Canadians more timber and China >>>dominated world manufacturing. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Another lie. It's absolute truth. >>China does not manufacture much of anything. > > ??? It's also true that China assemble more then it builds. >>What they really do is assemble products that are shipped to them and then ship back the >>finished product. > > So why then are the Chinese the worlds leading buyer of steel and > scrap metal? Because they have 1 billion people to house? >>niggers > > Get back to the kitchen "Ken". SignatureChris F. Long Island. "A country soars its highest when it soars on the Wings of Freedom." God Bless America. >>>Ninety percent of Canaduh's population lives within 10 miles of the US >>>Border and most of them work for US owned companies. >> >> Another lie. > >It's absolute truth. CITE!!! >>>China does not manufacture much of anything. >> >> ??? > >It's also true that China assemble more then it builds. You're as deluded as "Ken"? >>>What they really do is assemble products that are shipped to them and then ship back the >>>finished product. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Because they have 1 billion people to house? And so many factories making so much... >>>>Ninety percent of Canaduh's population lives within 10 miles of the US >>>>Border and most of them work for US owned companies. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > >And so many factories making so much... Actually that isn't it. It is the same reason they are consuming all the Portland Cement, Timber, re-bar, and other construction materials they can get their hands on. They are in the process of building a series of massive Hydro-Electric projects and cities surrounding them from scratch. This is so they can build and power the factories that they do not currently have in order to produce all the components of the products they mostly only assemble now. They are also having a tad of a problem with quality in their domestic car market and aren't making many strides in correcting them. I maybe a little off but the average all in cost for Japanese auto worker is ~$60 an hour. A Korean's is ~$22, and a Chinese about ~$2. Right there that ought to tell ya something. Signature"Either kill me or take me as I am, because I'll be damned if I ever change..." The Marquis de Sade >>>> So why then are the Chinese the worlds leading buyer of steel and >>>> scrap metal? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> >Actually that isn't it. Is so, you've not noticed that all your belonings have "Made in PRC" on them? >>>>>So why then are the Chinese the worlds leading buyer of steel and >>>>>scrap metal? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Is so, you've not noticed that all your belonings have "Made in PRC" > on them? I own not one thing that says "Made in PRC" on it. SignatureChris F. Long Island. "A country soars its highest when it soars on the Wings of Freedom." God Bless America. >>>Actually that isn't it. >> >> Is so, you've not noticed that all your belonings have "Made in PRC" >> on them? > >I own not one thing that says "Made in PRC" on it. Of course you do. >>>>Actually that isn't it. >>> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Of course you do. I really don't. Our labels say "Made in China". SignatureChris F. Long Island. "A country soars its highest when it soars on the Wings of Freedom." God Bless America. >>>The Russians have more oil, the Canadians more timber and China >>>dominated world manufacturing. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >The Russians are experts and have their own equipment for that task. Let's say they do. Why aren't they exploiting it or one of the larger exporters of oil since their economy is in such rough shape. All part of a master plan to horde it until everyone else runs out? >>Ninety percent of Canaduh's population lives within 10 miles of the US >>Border and most of them work for US owned companies. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Get back to the kitchen "Ken". Signature"Either kill me or take me as I am, because I'll be damned if I ever change..." The Marquis de Sade >>The Russians are experts and have their own equipment for that task. >> >Let's say they do. Why aren't they exploiting it or one of the larger >exporters of oil since their economy is in such rough shape. All part >of a master plan to horde it until everyone else runs out? "Russia is the world's second largest oil producer, exceeded only by Saudi Arabia" http://www.forbes.com/home/feeds/ap/2004/11/09/ap1642750.html >>>>The Russians have more oil, the Canadians more timber and China >>>>dominated world manufacturing. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >exporters of oil since their economy is in such rough shape. All part >of a master plan to horde it until everyone else runs out? hey foctardthere is enough oil in kazakstan to feed 5-6 generations a pipline in in the works for china already one already heads north to feed ussr USA is scrambling to have on come out near turkey .............. and then IRAQ after all cant let the chinks and ruskies have oil can we LMFAO h u r c a s t |
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