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RichA - 12 Jul 2005 14:35 GMT
(CNN) -- A study released Tuesday said drivers who use cell phones --
even hands-free models -- are four times as likely to be involved in
wrecks involving a serious injury than are drivers who do not use cell
phones.

"There was no safety benefit whatsoever from using a hands-free
phone," said Anne McCartt, one of the authors of the study, which was
published in the British Medical Journal and paid for by the Insurance
Institute for Highway Safety.

Researchers for the institute compared information on 456 crashes with
driver cell-phone records and interviewed the crash victims shortly
after they were treated in hospital emergency rooms.

"Our findings indicate that laws that still allow drivers to use
hands-free devices will not eliminate the crash risk of phone use,"
said McCartt. "In fact, to the extent that drivers perceive that
hand-free phone use is safer, in some sense, these laws could have a
detrimental effect if drivers increase their use of hands-free phone
use."

Connecticut and Chicago are the latest locales to ban cell phone use
while driving unless it's hands-free.

In the study, neither gender nor age affected risk.

The study was conducted in Perth, Australia, which bans driving while
using cellular phones that are not hands-free.

McCartt said she had wanted to carry out the study in the United
States, but phone companies would not release customer billing
records, even with a customer's consent.

Still, she said she saw no reason why the findings would not apply
equally to drivers in the United States.

The Cellular Telecommunications & Internet Association, a
Washington-based trade group, downplayed the findings, saying the
distractions associated with mobile phones are no different from those
encountered by drivers who eat or talk with passengers as they drive.

"Hands-free is a matter of convenience, a matter of comfort," said
John Walls, vice president of communications for the association. He
called for education and heightened awareness about any problems to
driver safety that might be posed by distractions. "That's the way to
change behavior," he said.

The CTIA contends that following these guidelines can minimize risk:

# Assess whether a given call can wait.

# Do not take notes while driving.

# Do not talk while in heavy traffic.

# If possible, pull off the road and park in a safe location to use a
mobile phone.

The Insurance Institute for Highway Safety disagrees, maintaining that
its study shows that the simple act of talking on a cell phone while
at the wheel significantly raises the risk of a serious crash, and
following those guidelines will not lower that risk.
razz - 12 Jul 2005 15:45 GMT
What's the difference between talking to a passenger or a hands free cell.
They going ban passengers too!
> (CNN) -- A study released Tuesday said drivers who use cell phones --
> even hands-free models -- are four times as likely to be involved in
[quoted text clipped - 58 lines]
> at the wheel significantly raises the risk of a serious crash, and
> following those guidelines will not lower that risk.
Me - 12 Jul 2005 17:48 GMT
You would sure think that there would be no difference between talking to a
passenger and a cell, but apparently, there is. I have seen so many drivers
do stupid things while on cell phones that I thought about investing in a
jammer. At least I could enjoy a meal in a restaurant without being having
to listen to, first the f**king phone ring, then 1/2 of the conversation.
The only thing that keeps me from buying one, (besides the fact that they
are very illegal) is the thought of cutting off someone's call, and having
them hit someone (me) while fiddling with their phone.
People who can not drive and use a cell phone should be allowed to do
either.

> What's the difference between talking to a passenger or a hands free cell.
> They going ban passengers too!
[quoted text clipped - 60 lines]
> > at the wheel significantly raises the risk of a serious crash, and
> > following those guidelines will not lower that risk.
Sarah Czepiel - 12 Jul 2005 21:23 GMT
Every time I am confronted with a "rude and intrusive use of a cell
phone "  I take a great interest in their conversation.  Last year a
woman in a doctors office proceeded to make all her business and
personal calls while waiting for her appointment.  Of course she was
sitting next to me.  I turned and started to nod and smile and look
genuinely interested in her conversation...which was the last one she
made in the office before she went outside to finish the remaining
calls.   It unnerves them.   If they insist on sharing the
conversations with the rest of us we can participate too.  :)  

>You would sure think that there would be no difference between talking to a
>passenger and a cell, but apparently, there is. I have seen so many drivers
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>> > at the wheel significantly raises the risk of a serious crash, and
>> > following those guidelines will not lower that risk.
Me - 12 Jul 2005 22:30 GMT
That's a great idea!

One of my cell phone stories: I was driving back to work one afternoon on a
two lane highway, 55 MPH Speed limit. Following a white 1/2 ton Chevy
pickup. The guy was  going about 45,drifting around the lane quite a bit
(Thought he might have been drinking.)  The road curved to the left and the
guy was drifting toward the center line. Coming the other way was a guy
driving a white 2 1/2 ton Chevy truck, also drifting toward the center line.
It really looked like they were going to meet, head on, at the apex of the
curve. They both had about half of their vehicles across the center line
when they simultaneously woke up and jerked their steering wheels to the
right, missing each other by scant inches. By this time, I had pulled over
and was almost stopped. As the guy driving the big truck passed me going the
other way, I saw that he had a cell phone in his ear. I speeded up and
caught the Chevy truck ahead of me, and, you guessed it, he also had a cell
plastered in his ear. (Cell phone stupidity is not restricted to one
particular gender)

> Every time I am confronted with a "rude and intrusive use of a cell
> phone "  I take a great interest in their conversation.  Last year a
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> >> > at the wheel significantly raises the risk of a serious crash, and
> >> > following those guidelines will not lower that risk.
Spike - 12 Jul 2005 23:37 GMT
They were probably talking to each other.... LOL Had they survived an
accident, and found their cell phones, they probably would have ended
up using speed dial to cal their insurance companies, only to find
they had each others' phones which had continued flying through the
air and ended up in the opposite vehicle.

>That's a great idea!
>
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>plastered in his ear. (Cell phone stupidity is not restricted to one
>particular gender)

Spike
1965 Ford Mustang fastback 2+2 A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok
Vintage Burgundy w/Black Standard Interior; Vintage 40
16" rims w/BF Goodrich Comp T/A gForce Radial
225/50ZR16 KDWS skins; surround sound audio-video.

"When the time comes to lay down my life for my country,
I do not cower from this responsibility. I welcome it."
                                -JFK Inaugural Address
Sarah Czepiel - 13 Jul 2005 05:08 GMT
>That's a great idea!
>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>plastered in his ear. (Cell phone stupidity is not restricted to one
>particular gender)

Great although scary story.  :)    No stupidity using cell phones
isn't limited to one gender.  I've seen both men and women do some
pretty stupid things.  Funny thing though now that I think about it, I
rarely see young males driving and using a cell phone.  Teen age girls
yeah but not the guys,  At least in my neck of the woods.

>> Every time I am confronted with a "rude and intrusive use of a cell
>> phone "  I take a great interest in their conversation.  Last year a
[quoted text clipped - 91 lines]
>> >> > at the wheel significantly raises the risk of a serious crash, and
>> >> > following those guidelines will not lower that risk.
RichA - 12 Jul 2005 21:08 GMT
>What's the difference between talking to a passenger or a hands free cell.
>They going ban passengers too!

Before cell phones, I rarely ran into MORONS driving at 40mph
on the highway.  Now it's all the time.

>> (CNN) -- A study released Tuesday said drivers who use cell phones --
>> even hands-free models -- are four times as likely to be involved in
[quoted text clipped - 58 lines]
>> at the wheel significantly raises the risk of a serious crash, and
>> following those guidelines will not lower that risk.
Sarah Czepiel - 12 Jul 2005 21:40 GMT
>>What's the difference between talking to a passenger or a hands free cell.
>>They going ban passengers too!
>
>Before cell phones, I rarely ran into MORONS driving at 40mph
>on the highway.  Now it's all the time.

Then you've never driven Rte 128 around Boston or anywhere on the
Beltway around DC.  :)
Spike - 12 Jul 2005 23:38 GMT
That's because before cell phones there was no roaming, and the morons
didn't know they could leave home. : )

>>What's the difference between talking to a passenger or a hands free cell.
>>They going ban passengers too!
[quoted text clipped - 64 lines]
>>> at the wheel significantly raises the risk of a serious crash, and
>>> following those guidelines will not lower that risk.

Spike
1965 Ford Mustang fastback 2+2 A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok
Vintage Burgundy w/Black Standard Interior; Vintage 40
16" rims w/BF Goodrich Comp T/A gForce Radial
225/50ZR16 KDWS skins; surround sound audio-video.

"When the time comes to lay down my life for my country,
I do not cower from this responsibility. I welcome it."
                                -JFK Inaugural Address
lab~rat - 18 Jul 2005 21:21 GMT
>What's the difference between talking to a passenger or a hands free cell.
>They going ban passengers too!

For one, a passenger is there and can see a road obstacle ahead and
let the driver do his thing before continuing the conversation.  In
addition, you don't have to diddle with a device in order to talk with
a passenger.
--
lab~rat  >:-)
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?
Sarah Czepiel - 12 Jul 2005 17:30 GMT
>The study was conducted in Perth, Australia, which bans driving while
>using cellular phones that are not hands-free.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>Still, she said she saw no reason why the findings would not apply
>equally to drivers in the United States.

If she actually believes that last statement she's an idiot and
shouldn't be conducting surveys.  Her results are scientifically
useless when drawing conclusions about the United States.  
jim.gm4dhj - 12 Jul 2005 18:12 GMT
just ban woman drivers and the problem would be solved.....
Sarah Czepiel - 12 Jul 2005 21:22 GMT
>just ban woman drivers and the problem would be solved.....

Several years ago a local man was decapitated while talking on a cell
phone to his wife.  The dumb nob drove his BMW under the back of a
broken down 18 wheeler.  
Spike - 12 Jul 2005 23:40 GMT
Oh, LOOK!  A mushroom shaped cloud!!!!! LOL

>just ban woman drivers and the problem would be solved.....

Spike
1965 Ford Mustang fastback 2+2 A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok
Vintage Burgundy w/Black Standard Interior; Vintage 40
16" rims w/BF Goodrich Comp T/A gForce Radial
225/50ZR16 KDWS skins; surround sound audio-video.

"When the time comes to lay down my life for my country,
I do not cower from this responsibility. I welcome it."
                                -JFK Inaugural Address
SVTKate - 12 Jul 2005 20:34 GMT
Hubby says:
"This test is not relevant here in the US BECAUSE
these people live in Australia, therefore they already drive on the wrong
side of the road, and are already distracted"

End quote

Kate

hee hee hee... snikker... giggle.... wait.. I need to call my brother on his
cell phone and tell him....
let me dig in my purse and get the number, oh DAMN, hot coffee on my lap...
sh.t, I smeared my lipstick, OUCH! Damn! I broke a nail when I tried
shifting with the cell phone in my hand, would you hand me my nail file?
thanks :)

: (CNN) -- A study released Tuesday said drivers who use cell phones --
: even hands-free models -- are four times as likely to be involved in
[quoted text clipped - 58 lines]
: at the wheel significantly raises the risk of a serious crash, and
: following those guidelines will not lower that risk.
Spike - 12 Jul 2005 23:45 GMT
>Hubby says:
>"This test is not relevant here in the US BECAUSE
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>shifting with the cell phone in my hand, would you hand me my nail file?
>thanks :)

because south of the Equator all the blood rushes to their heads which
causes them to do everything a.s backwards.

WOW!!!! I bet the lawyers are lining up now to file suits on your
behalf.... after all, it the corporations who produced the bad designs
which led to your cell using, coffee holding, car shifting, nail
breaking which of course leads to emotional trauma.... You just might
get that brick driveway yet... : )
Spike
1965 Ford Mustang fastback 2+2 A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok
Vintage Burgundy w/Black Standard Interior; Vintage 40
16" rims w/BF Goodrich Comp T/A gForce Radial
225/50ZR16 KDWS skins; surround sound audio-video.

"When the time comes to lay down my life for my country,
I do not cower from this responsibility. I welcome it."
                                -JFK Inaugural Address
SVTKate - 13 Jul 2005 01:20 GMT
"Spike" <jma@snowcrest.net> wrote in message
: WOW!!!! I bet the lawyers are lining up now to file suits on your
: behalf.... after all, it the corporations who produced the bad designs
: which led to your cell using, coffee holding, car shifting, nail
: breaking which of course leads to emotional trauma.... You just might
: get that brick driveway yet... : )
: Spike

Damn straight!
Mr.~G. - 13 Jul 2005 02:57 GMT
This is what happens when you mix cell phones and driving.

The car was showroom. I was stopped with my left flashers on waiting to make
a turn.  Weather & visibility clear.  Road conditions - dry.  Road was flat
and straight.  Impact - 55 mph from the rear.  Reason? Young lady on
cellphone.  What the hell was so important that it couldn't wait.

It's a horror story.  Don't look if you're squeamish.

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> (CNN) -- A study released Tuesday said drivers who use cell phones --
> even hands-free models -- are four times as likely to be involved in
> wrecks involving a serious injury than are drivers who do not use cell
> phones.
> snip <
RichA - 13 Jul 2005 20:17 GMT
>This is what happens when you mix cell phones and driving.
>
>The car was showroom. I was stopped with my left flashers on waiting to make
>a turn.  Weather & visibility clear.  Road conditions - dry.  Road was flat
>and straight.  Impact - 55 mph from the rear.  Reason? Young lady on
>cellphone.  What the hell was so important that it couldn't wait.

Without being on a cellphone, constantly, young women will die.
You even see the dopes leaving the theater so they can go talk
on their cell phones.  I think they should have them surgically
implanted in their skulls.
-Rich
>It's a horror story.  Don't look if you're squeamish.
>
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>> phones.
>> snip <
 
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