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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Mustang / August 2005

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97 Mustang 3.6L --- Loss of power

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ragnork83 - 14 Jul 2005 18:04 GMT
Hey guys, this is my first post.  I just joined the group today.  I was
wondering if anyone here could help me with a problem.  My 97 mustang
(automatic) seems like it has no power.  When it is on inclines of
about 45 degrees or more the car starts to vibrate.  I have had it to
two mechanics, but the problem is still there.  So i am guessing it is
not a trivial problem.  Any help would be appreciated.  

Thanks alot
Garth Almgren - 15 Jul 2005 03:26 GMT
> Hey guys, this is my first post.  I just joined the group today.  I was
> wondering if anyone here could help me with a problem.  My 97 mustang
> (automatic) seems like it has no power.

It's because you've lost somewhere between 0.2 and 1.2 liters of
displacement somehow... ;)

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Garth Almgren - 15 Jul 2005 03:27 GMT
> It's because you've lost somewhere between 0.2 and 1.4 liters of

Correction...

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ragnork83 - 04 Aug 2005 15:53 GMT
so what could cause something like that...
SVTKate - 05 Aug 2005 13:17 GMT
: so what could cause something like that...

kidding... right?
that's ALL the information you are going to give and you want someone to
figure it out on that?

My best guess would be that your piston return springs are weak.

Kate
ragnork83 - 08 Aug 2005 15:34 GMT
Well what else needs to be said.  everything else is fine with the car.
The engine runs fine when ideling, down hill, and level.  Sounds
perfect, no ticking, or knocking, or anything.  Does'nt burn any oil.
So.... If theres anything else you need to know, just ask.
David M - 09 Aug 2005 03:31 GMT
> Well what else needs to be said.  everything else is fine with the car.
>  The engine runs fine when ideling, down hill, and level.  Sounds
> perfect, no ticking, or knocking, or anything.  Does'nt burn any oil.
> So.... If theres anything else you need to know, just ask.

This is a common problem with this model... you are missing
one liter of displacement.  Unfortunately, the only recourse
is to take it to the Ford dealer.  Tell them you have lost some of
your displacement, and would like some replacement displacement.

A temporary fix would be to install some new muffler bearings, and
check the blinker fluid level, if it's low, that will also cause
a problem.  

Good Luck!

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ragnork83 - 12 Aug 2005 20:23 GMT
What exactly is meant by displacement?

blinker fluid level?...  as in signal light?

I was also told that it could be either  the fuel pump,  filter, or
transmission... Could this be true.
David M - 13 Aug 2005 16:23 GMT
> What exactly is meant by displacement?
>
> blinker fluid level?...  as in signal light?
>
> I was also told that it could be either  the fuel pump,  filter, or
> transmission... Could this be true.

...must...keep...from...ROTFLMAO....

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SVTKate - 13 Aug 2005 21:44 GMT
*giving David the over the glasses look*

This is YOUR fault, YOU fix it!

damn kids.

Kate

: > What exactly is meant by displacement?
: >
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:
: ...must...keep...from...ROTFLMAO....
David M - 14 Aug 2005 00:57 GMT
> *giving David the over the glasses look*
>
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>
> Kate

But it was just TOO GOOD to pass up, and he/she took it
hook, line, & sinker.

Ragnork, if you are really that uninformed, you should take it to the
dealer.  You obviously don't know enough about cars to work on them.

> : > What exactly is meant by displacement?
> : >
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> :
> : ...must...keep...from...ROTFLMAO....

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SVTKate - 14 Aug 2005 02:38 GMT
: > *giving David the over the glasses look*
: >
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: But it was just TOO GOOD to pass up, and he/she took it
: hook, line, & sinker.

Yea, I know, my tougue is still sore from biting it.

: Ragnork, if you are really that uninformed, you should take it to the
: dealer.  You obviously don't know enough about cars to work on them.

*clearing her throat*
Ehm...Yea, what David said.

*snikker*

Kate

: > : > What exactly is meant by displacement?
: > : >
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: > :
: > : ...must...keep...from...ROTFLMAO....
ragnork83 - 15 Aug 2005 12:17 GMT
Well i gotta start somewhere... I havent actually planned on doing the
work myself.  I just want to understand whats going on, so if there is
a next time i will know.  As you said,  im only a yongster learning the
tricks of the trade.  Well maybe not that young, i am 22,  but i am
fairly new to car mechanics.

BTW....    what does this mean   "...must...keep...from...ROTFLMAO....
"

Oh ya, i braught the car to a transmission guy here, and he says that
there is a part inside that needs replacement, and thats whats causing
the rumbling and loss of power...  So im gonna probably get that done
next week sometime.  its gonna cost over $700.   The car is in really
good shape so, i think im gonna get it done.
SVTKate - 15 Aug 2005 13:14 GMT
: Well i gotta start somewhere... I havent actually planned on doing the
: work myself.  I just want to understand whats going on, so if there is
: a next time i will know.  As you said,  im only a yongster learning the
: tricks of the trade.  Well maybe not that young, i am 22,  but i am
: fairly new to car mechanics.

Time to grab some books and start learning.
A Haynes manual (parts store, under $20) will give you some good basics and
a much broader understanding of most everything on your car.
Read through it.

Make friends with some of the local gearheads that drive Mustangs.

: BTW....    what does this mean   "...must...keep...from...ROTFLMAO....
: "

We are giving you a hard time..
the comment means.. .he "had to keep from REALLY pulling your leg any
further," and
the other means Rolling On The Floor Laughing My a.s Off

(David, you  WILL pay for this! I swear! If I EVER get the chance I am gonna
kick your a.s around in circles)

There is no such thing as Muffler Bearings, replacement displacement OR
piston return springs.

: Oh ya, i braught the car to a transmission guy here, and he says that
: there is a part inside that needs replacement, and thats whats causing
: the rumbling and loss of power...  So im gonna probably get that done
: next week sometime.  its gonna cost over $700.   The car is in really
: good shape so, i think im gonna get it done.

Please tell me it was something REAL that he is replacing for that kind of
money. What was/is he going to replace?
Did you get a second estimate? Always a good idea.
Avoid being a victim if you don't know what you are doing, some shops will
take you for granted. Ask someone that you know who knows something about
cars if it sounds right and always get more than one estimate.

By now you must realize how truly nieve you are - and how rotten people can
be. Don't let your lack of knowledge make you a sucker.

Oh, what is a ragnork?
Sounds like the sound the cat makes when she coughs up a hairball.

Kate
David M - 15 Aug 2005 19:38 GMT
> (David, you  WILL pay for this! I swear! If I EVER get the chance I am gonna
> kick your a.s around in circles)

Be still my beating heart!


> By now you must realize how truly nieve you are - and how rotten people can
> be. Don't let your lack of knowledge make you a sucker.

I gotta tell ya, Ragnork,  you did it to yourself.  When you were
first asked to provide details of your problem, you responded:

"Well what else needs to be said.  
everything else is fine with the car."

Next time you ask for help, provide some specific details other
than "loss of power"...
What speed does this occur?  
What RPM?
Does it make any specific noises during this episode?
Engine hot or cold?
What recent service has been done?
..etc..

and you're more likely to get a good response.  
A smartass response (see yours above) is an open door
to be kicked in.  Usenet has no mercy.

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ragnork83 - 15 Aug 2005 20:49 GMT
Well I guess I was told... :)

Leave it to me to be naive, I shant make that mistake again... I
didn't expect a smartass response.  I took for granted that people
would go easy on the noobs, and help em out a bit...  Guess not...

Oh well its all good.

If you want more information here it is....

it happens when the car is hot
happens at 60km/hr
Low RPM of about 1500
no noises

no relevant service done
David M - 15 Aug 2005 22:21 GMT
> Well I guess I was told... :)
>
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>
> no relevant service done

OK, that's a good start.  Now, what made you think it was a
transmission problem?  A/T or manual? (assuming auto).
Check Engine light on?

If so, take it to your friendly AutoZone and they will scan the codes for
you. Better yet, take it there anyway and get them to scan for any codes
at all.  Cars these days are purty smart and can sometimes tell you what's
wrong with them.

What did the transmission guy tell you he wanted to fix?  Lots of
people that read this group are familiar with transmissions.

Does it feel like it's shuddering?  (you said no noises).
Does it happen while it's shifting?

See where I'm heading with this?  The more information you provide,
the more likely it is that someone will help you.

Expecting that someone will magically have the answer based on
3 words ("loss of power") is unrealistic.

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David M - 15 Aug 2005 22:33 GMT
> Well I guess I was told... :)

Also, I would suggest you start a new thread, this time putting in
all possible information, even if you think it's not relevant...

"I bought this 1997 Mustang used with xx miles on it.
It has x.xL engine, automatic transmission. Just last
week it started doing xxxx while driving at 60km/hour.
I just had the brakes relined and the transmission
fluid changed..."

etc.

Get the picture?  Don't put three words in your post and expect
someone to read your mind.  If you COMPLETELY describe the
symptoms you're having, someone is likely to know what the problem might
be.

Finally, you better have pretty thick skin if you want to
play in Usenet...

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ragnork83 - 16 Aug 2005 17:16 GMT
yea thats probably a good idea... I'll post a new thread when i get a
chance.  

How long have you guys been on this group?
SVTKate - 16 Aug 2005 21:55 GMT
: yea thats probably a good idea... I'll post a new thread when i get a
: chance.
:
: How long have you guys been on this group?

Gosh, I'm not sure. Seems like forever.
prolly only about 5 years though.
ragnork83 - 17 Aug 2005 13:37 GMT
5 years is pretty long though... You must have seen alot of newbie
posts like mine :)

Must get pretty annoying after a while...

So do u have a stang right now...
SVTKate - 16 Aug 2005 00:52 GMT
: > (David, you  WILL pay for this! I swear! If I EVER get the chance I am gonna
: > kick your a.s around in circles)
:
: Be still my beating heart!

FOFLMAO!
Ok ok....
Richard - 16 Aug 2005 03:11 GMT
> FOFLMAO!
> Ok ok....

Kate you sure seem to spend a lot of time on the floor.  Had a girlfriend
like that once but it was damned hard on my knees ;>)
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SVTKate - 16 Aug 2005 13:21 GMT
: > FOFLMAO!
: > Ok ok....
:
: Kate you sure seem to spend a lot of time on the floor.  Had a girlfriend
: like that once but it was damned hard on my knees ;>)

I'm just a naturally happy person oh and
I bought my hubby knee pads.
 
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