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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Mustang / August 2005Whatever Happened to Ford's Mojo?
Here's an interesting article. http://autoextremist.com/page2.shtml#Rant I also like to add to his column that Ford was a happening car company back in the late mid/late 80's too. GM and Chrysler were offering nothing at the time while Ford had the trend-setting Taurus, the cool turbo T-birds, the neat 5-liter Lincoln Mark VIIs and Cougars, and of course, the performance bargin on the decade, the 5-liter Mustangs. In the 80s, Ford was the only American alternative to the imports. But for about the last 10 plus years, Ford has only had one or two decent players in the lineup at a time. Of course the Mustang has been a solid hitter that has been only getting better over the years. The Lightning pickup produced a few hits over the years, the Focus had a lot of potential and has scored a few runs, and the GT was a pretty awesome designated hitter, but other than those players, there hasn't been much. Other than some guaranteed future homeruns from the Mustang (GT500, CS, etc.), and maybe a hit or two from the upcoming 390HP Sport Trac, there doesn't seem to be any good players coming to Ford's lineup. What are everyone else's thoughts? Patrick '93 Cobra NoOption5L@aol.com wrote in news:1122605075.692455.109340 @g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: > Here's an interesting article. > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Patrick > '93 Cobra DC's got the best lineup for '06. The domestic auto industry is over. A perfect storm is coming, consisting of (1) costs of funds from the incessant need for rebates to move the product, (2) liabilities for pension and health benefits, (3) consumer bias against or indifference to the domestic product due to bad or NO experience with domestic products among the majority of Americans born since 1980, and (4) heavy dependence on inefficient trucks and SUV's, a market that is due to collapse because of escalating fuel costs and because it was faddish and irrational in the first place and because Toyota, Nissan, and Honda are positioned to take what's left. Oh, yeah, and imports are better buys and in many cases are even back to being cheaper, feature for feature. 180 Out > The domestic auto industry is over. A perfect storm is coming, > consisting of (1) costs of funds from the incessant need for rebates to [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > 180 Out The GM rebates and employee discounts must of worked. They are way low on stock now. How convenient, the 06's are about here:) Buick is going to re-badge the new GTO. Yep, the new Gran Sport. To bad Oldsmobile is dead:) Al Actually it is kinda sad thet Olds is gone. I acutally, surprisngly, wish it was still around and could go back to some of its heritage. I read about older Olds (ok punnish phrase for the day there) and it was a pretty hot car type. Luxury and power. > The GM rebates and employee discounts must of worked. They are way low > on stock now. How convenient, the 06's are about here:) Buick is going > to re-badge the new GTO. Yep, the new Gran Sport. To bad Oldsmobile is > dead:) > > Al Trouble is the "new-gto" is only a "glorified" Chevrolet......Pontiac hasn't been Pontiac since they quit making their own engines........new GTO.......phewy!! > Trouble is the "new-gto" is only a "glorified" Chevrolet......Pontiac > hasn't been Pontiac since they quit making their own engines........new > GTO.......phewy!! Actually it's an unglorified Holden.  Signature"Gullible is a misdemeanor - stupid is a felony... clueless gets you committed..." - JG >The domestic auto industry is over. A perfect storm is coming, >consisting of (1) costs of funds from the incessant need for rebates to [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >180 Out Well yes & no. The merger of Mercedes & Chrysler was billed at the creation of the first "Global" car maker, but it has existed for quite awhile now. More and more the major manufactures are integrated with joint venture/ownership programs, joint manufacturing capabilities, and even joint design facilities. Once upon a time Mazda made mini-pickups for Ford, now Ford makes mini-pickups for Mazda. -- Please Don't Steal - The Government Hates Competition ZombyWoof (take the dogs when replying via e-mail) IMO, Ford has paid far too much attention to selling SUVs. While they have done this the imports have eaten their lunch by improving their passenger car designs. Wait until SUV sales crater when gasoline prices remain at over $2 a gallon indefinitely. Ford and GM will really go into panic mode. > Here's an interesting article. > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Patrick > '93 Cobra >IMO, Ford has paid far too much attention to selling SUVs. While they >have done this the imports have eaten their lunch by improving their >passenger car designs. Wait until SUV sales crater when gasoline prices >remain at over $2 a gallon indefinitely. Ford and GM will really go >into panic mode. The reason they did was that the profit margins on SUV's were huge. Ford really could believe how much they were making on their SUV line and the fact that they couldn't make them big enough for some people. >> Here's an interesting article. >> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >> Patrick >> '93 Cobra -- Please Don't Steal - The Government Hates Competition ZombyWoof (take the dogs when replying via e-mail) > IMO, Ford has paid far too much attention to selling SUVs. While they > have done this the imports have eaten their lunch by improving their > passenger car designs. Wait until SUV sales crater when gasoline prices > remain at over $2 a gallon indefinitely. Ford and GM will really go > into panic mode. I agree with your comments about Ford. However, how is Toyota any different? The Toyota car line is a collection of slightly warmed over old designs. The Camry is in exactly the same position as the Taurus was in 5 years ago - An aging, now mediocre design, selling well based on past glory but woefully outdated. Except for the Prius (truly a niche car), there is not a single Toyota car that can be considered outstanding. At least Ford has the Mustang to generate a little excitement. What has Toyota got - the Avalon? Give me a break, even the Buick La Crosse is more exciting. Meanwhile, like Ford, Toyota has spent millions (billions?) on SUVs and Trucks - 4Runner, Highlander, RAV4, Sequoia, Land Cruiser, Tacoma, Tundra. So why shouldn't Toyota go into panic mode along with Ford and GM? At least Nissan and Honda have a few interesting cars, although they too have been lured into the SUV and truck market to some extent. Ed >>IMO, Ford has paid far too much attention to selling SUVs. While they >>have done this the imports have eaten their lunch by improving their [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > At least Nissan and Honda have a few interesting cars, although they too > have been lured into the SUV and truck market to some extent. The Japanese have cultivated their buyers over several years. The typical buyer is looking for exactly what Toyota delivers, consistency and quality. It doesn't have to be exciting, just what they expect. > The Japanese have cultivated their buyers over several years. The > typical buyer is looking for exactly what Toyota delivers, consistency > and quality. It doesn't have to be exciting, just what they expect. I suppose you are right. It does appear the typical Toyota buyer is looking for consistently boring cars and mediocre quality. I guess people get what they deserve. Ed >>The Japanese have cultivated their buyers over several years. The >>typical buyer is looking for exactly what Toyota delivers, consistency [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > for consistently boring cars and mediocre quality. I guess people get what > they deserve. Toyotas may be boring but they are not mediocre quality. They aren't top notch either. Many people keep buying them because they know that Toyota's quality is fairly high and very consistent. They also have good resale value too. >>The Japanese have cultivated their buyers over several years. The >>typical buyer is looking for exactly what Toyota delivers, consistency [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Ed What are Nissan owners looking for? Signature"Gullible is a misdemeanor - stupid is a felony... clueless gets you committed..." - JG "WindsorFox[SS]" <windsorfoxNO@SPAMcox.net> wrote in news:thzIe.621$ah4.166 @lakeread05: > What are Nissan owners looking for? SHIFT_? Remember when they were "driven?" > "WindsorFox[SS]" <windsorfoxNO@SPAMcox.net> wrote in > news:thzIe.621$ah4.166 [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > SHIFT_? Remember when they were "driven?" Is VW still looking for drivers? dwight >>"WindsorFox[SS]" <windsorfoxNO@SPAMcox.net> wrote in >>news:thzIe.621$ah4.166 [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > dwight No, but I understand their drivers are looking for service quite a lot lately. Signature"Gullible is a misdemeanor - stupid is a felony... clueless gets you committed..." - JG >> Is VW still looking for drivers? >> >> dwight > > No, but I understand their drivers are looking for service quite a > lot lately. The new VW's are crap. Amazing how cheap and easy I can fix an old 65 but it costs me 10 x that to fix a new Beetle. Friend of mine got a New Beetle in 2003. She's had it in the shop 3 times already. Apparently VW still hasn't figured out the best way to wire sh.t together. Vintage VW lovers have a severe grudge against VWoA, so whether they're looking for drivers or not they can kiss our a.s. K. > "WindsorFox[SS]" <windsorfoxNO@SPAMcox.net> wrote in news:thzIe.621$ah4.166 > @lakeread05: > >>What are Nissan owners looking for? > > SHIFT_? Remember when they were "driven?" Shitf_Eat Hemi :-D Signature"Gullible is a misdemeanor - stupid is a felony... clueless gets you committed..." - JG >> "WindsorFox[SS]" <windsorfoxNO@SPAMcox.net> wrote in >> news:thzIe.621$ah4.166 @lakeread05: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Shitf_Eat Hemi :-D WF, at this point you're just an idiot. Now go change your oil. :) >>>"WindsorFox[SS]" <windsorfoxNO@SPAMcox.net> wrote in >>>news:thzIe.621$ah4.166 @lakeread05: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > WF, at this point you're just an idiot. Now go change your oil. :) Joe, at all points you seem to be an idiot. Face it, The Nissan will not only eat your little 360, but it easily eats the Hemi. Been there done that, I have all the proof I need. Documented proof comes in the form of a forum member with a time slip, another member with a dyno sheet and further proof will be when I make my dyno run. No matter what you say or how hard you wish, the 05 340 Nissan kicks the 05 Hemis a.s. With the addition of a blower it will kick an SRT10s a.s too. Signature"Gullible is a misdemeanor - stupid is a felony... clueless gets you committed..." - JG >>>>"WindsorFox[SS]" <windsorfoxNO@SPAMcox.net> wrote in >>>>news:thzIe.621$ah4.166 @lakeread05: [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > the 05 Hemis a.s. With the addition of a blower it will kick an > SRT10s a.s too. WF, grow up. I don't give a rat's a.s about your ridiculous comparos or any "proof" you can dream up. You're just a blabbering moron who doesn't have the common sense to know that oil can't stay in a crankcase for a year without adverse affects. And by the way, with the addition of a blower, an SRT10 will eat _anything_ you can dream up for breakfast. >>>>>"WindsorFox[SS]" <windsorfoxNO@SPAMcox.net> wrote in >>>>>news:thzIe.621$ah4.166 @lakeread05: [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > And by the way, with the addition of a blower, an SRT10 will eat > _anything_ you can dream up for breakfast. A friend had a twin screw blower on a Ford V-10 truck with dual wheels. It was impressive to watch him EASILY leave FOUR black strips behind after a burnout. I tried to get him to take it to a drag strip so we could know what 60' time it could muster. Imagine what it would be with TWO sets of slicks mounted on the back axle. :) >>>>>>"WindsorFox[SS]" <windsorfoxNO@SPAMcox.net> wrote in >>>>>>news:thzIe.621$ah4.166 @lakeread05: [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > we could know what 60' time it could muster. Imagine what it would > be with TWO sets of slicks mounted on the back axle. :) I'd like to see that in a 4x4 dually... ;) BTW, some of those TT diesels are out of this world. >>>>>>>"WindsorFox[SS]" <windsorfoxNO@SPAMcox.net> wrote in >>>>>>>news:thzIe.621$ah4.166 @lakeread05: [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > BTW, some of those TT diesels are out of this world. The TD's are quite the sleeper engines. Can't fault an engine that will give you 100+ more hp/tq from stock by just adding chip. You don't even have to lift the hood! I'm not even going to go into the gains from doing propane injection on them. > A friend had a twin screw blower on a Ford V-10 truck with dual wheels. > It was impressive to watch him EASILY leave FOUR black strips behind > after a burnout. I tried to get him to take it to a drag strip so we > could know what 60' time it could muster. Imagine what it would be with > TWO sets of slicks mounted on the back axle. :) Kind of sounds like overkill. I mean do you really *need* a V10 to make 500 hp? Well, maybe Dodge does, but I think you can do it pretty easily with a V8 Ford. :p Signature"Gullible is a misdemeanor - stupid is a felony... clueless gets you committed..." - JG >> A friend had a twin screw blower on a Ford V-10 truck with dual >> wheels. It was impressive to watch him EASILY leave FOUR black strips [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > make 500 hp? Well, maybe Dodge does, but I think you can do it pretty > easily with a V8 Ford. :p This was a custom low rider truck. It was detailed to the extreme inside and out. It made the cover of quite a few car rags relating to trucks and low riders. Besides, "need" has nothing to do with it. If that were the yardstick for what we drive then most of us could get by with three cylinder econoboxes that might squeeze out 50 hp and get 50-60 mpg. :) >>> A friend had a twin screw blower on a Ford V-10 truck with dual >>> wheels. It was impressive to watch him EASILY leave FOUR black [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > with three cylinder econoboxes that might squeeze out 50 hp and get > 50-60 mpg. :) Very true. I've seen several dually trucks turned into hot rod, but all the ones I have seen had the dual rims removed and 12" wide MTs put under the wide rear fenders, which I'm sure is much better for traction. Although I must say, there is a certain cooless to the idea of four stripes LOL Signature"Gullible is a misdemeanor - stupid is a felony... clueless gets you committed..." - JG >>>>>"WindsorFox[SS]" <windsorfoxNO@SPAMcox.net> wrote in >>>>>news:thzIe.621$ah4.166 @lakeread05: [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > doesn't have the common sense to know that oil can't stay in a > crankcase for a year without adverse affects. The only moron I see is the one who doesn't have a clue what he's talking about. You've already been prooven wrong. Numerous times. People always tend to look away when they don't like or understand what they see. > And by the way, with the addition of a blower, an SRT10 will eat > _anything_ you can dream up for breakfast. For the first couple of minutes until it explodes and except for the turbo 93 Lightning I know of. Signature"Gullible is a misdemeanor - stupid is a felony... clueless gets you committed..." - JG >>>>>>"WindsorFox[SS]" <windsorfoxNO@SPAMcox.net> wrote in >>>>>>news:thzIe.621$ah4.166 @lakeread05: [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > People always tend to look away when they don't like or understand > what they see. Hey Mr. Brilliance, did you read the Truck Trend comparo where your beloved Lightning was eaten for lunch? >> And by the way, with the addition of a blower, an SRT10 will eat >> _anything_ you can dream up for breakfast. > > For the first couple of minutes until it explodes and except > for > the turbo 93 Lightning I know of. LOL! Idiot. Have a great day - you'll need it. And do look into the concept of changing your oil. It's actually good for the vehicle. |
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