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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Mustang / August 2005

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Factory Spark Plug oddity

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Ashton Crusher - 31 Jul 2005 19:22 GMT
My Dad has a 2000 V6 bought new.  It's always run OK but never quite
as good as he thought it should.  Early on he had it in to the dealer
and was told "All the V6's are like that."

Last week it developed a definite miss (40K miles).  It was still
using the original, good for 100K plugs.  The diagnosis was " a fouled
plug".   So since they were going to replace a plug anyway he had them
replace all of the plugs.

He says its running better now, stronger, smoother, better idle, then
it did when it was new.  Seems odd that the factory plugs were somehow
"bad" from the get-go.
Kruse - 31 Jul 2005 21:04 GMT
> My Dad has a 2000 V6 bought new.  It's always run OK but never quite
> as good as he thought it should.  Early on he had it in to the dealer
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> it did when it was new.  Seems odd that the factory plugs were somehow
> "bad" from the get-go.

A couple of thoughts on this.....
It doesn't matter if it's squeaky brake pads, a low performing engine
or poor gas mileage, the standard dealer cliche is "They are all like
that". (As per the shop customer service rep's advice, I've had to say
that a few times also)
Second, NEVER run spark plugs for 100K miles. (Although I did see a
Winstar go 250K miles on an original set once!) Even if they do last
that long, there is a greater chance that they will seize to the head
and you will have real problems.
Third, maybe your performance is better than when it was brand new, but
quite often the performance decrease is so gradual with spark plugs
that you usually do see a difference with new plugs that have replaced
old ones. The same way with shock absorbers. You usually see a big
difference when replaced.
I normally chance the plugs in my vehicles between 30K-40K, and of
course, use platinum plugs.
Joe - 01 Aug 2005 02:30 GMT
"Kruse" <kruse@kansas.net> wrote in news:1122840240.877183.160050
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>> My Dad has a 2000 V6 bought new.  It's always run OK but never quite
>> as good as he thought it should.  Early on he had it in to the dealer
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> I normally chance the plugs in my vehicles between 30K-40K, and of
> course, use platinum plugs.

Copper's a better conductor than platinum.
WindsorFox[SS] - 01 Aug 2005 06:18 GMT
>>old ones. The same way with shock absorbers. You usually see a big
>>difference when replaced.
>>I normally chance the plugs in my vehicles between 30K-40K, and of
>>course, use platinum plugs.
>
> Copper's a better conductor than platinum.

Resistance    Conductivity
Ohms/m          Siemens/m

1.059E-07     9.442E+06    Platinum
1.724E-08     5.800E+07    Copper

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Big Al - 01 Aug 2005 06:57 GMT
>>>old ones. The same way with shock absorbers. You usually see a big
>>>difference when replaced.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> 1.059E-07     9.442E+06    Platinum
> 1.724E-08     5.800E+07    Copper

Did he mean conductor of electricity or heat?

Al
David M - 01 Aug 2005 11:15 GMT
>>>old ones. The same way with shock absorbers. You usually see a big
>>>difference when replaced.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> 1.059E-07     9.442E+06    Platinum
> 1.724E-08     5.800E+07    Copper

Platimum will tolerate a higher temperature
Melting point:

Copper:  1083C
Platinum: 1772C

In any case, "platinum" plugs only have a teeny bit of platinum
on the electrode tip.

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Jim Warman - 02 Aug 2005 05:22 GMT
While the advertised service interval calls for replacement at 100,000
miles, many factors can influence that. Idling time, driving style and
conditions... the list goes on. There will be posts regarding "dealer
bullshit/factory hype" and so on. Fact of the matter is that "sh.t
happens"...... nothing will ever change that....

I will hazard a guess that it runs rough when cold, though....

> My Dad has a 2000 V6 bought new.  It's always run OK but never quite
> as good as he thought it should.  Early on he had it in to the dealer
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> it did when it was new.  Seems odd that the factory plugs were somehow
> "bad" from the get-go.
Ashton Crusher - 02 Aug 2005 07:06 GMT
>While the advertised service interval calls for replacement at 100,000
>miles, many factors can influence that. Idling time, driving style and
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>I will hazard a guess that it runs rough when cold, though....

Cold?  In Phoenix??  

>> My Dad has a 2000 V6 bought new.  It's always run OK but never quite
>> as good as he thought it should.  Early on he had it in to the dealer
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>> it did when it was new.  Seems odd that the factory plugs were somehow
>> "bad" from the get-go.
 
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