Listen to the article and then check out the video link below the
picture.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4791099
Here are my thoughts... this coming from a 40+ year old guy who has
done his fair share of illegal street racing, cruising and hanging out.
In my opinion, in *this* video these guys are completely out of
control. With all the tire smoke, the drivers have no idea how close
the crowd is to their car. And members of the crowd have to be either
drunk and/or high to have the a.s-end of 3,000 pound vehicles flinging
around to within feet of where they are standing. These people are
truly stupid! And in the article where they are molesting women,
getting in fights, etc... they're criminals. We (cruisers) would
distance ourselves from people like that, and they'd piss us [the
cruisers] off because they'd spoil a good thing. The "good thing"
being hanging out with friends, trying to meet girls, and... every once
in a while... occasionally... okay every night, there'd be a little
street racing going on. But we were always cool about what we did.
Here were our rules:
"Hanging out" meant we'd meet on the main drag in town usually in the
parking lot of a local business where we'd talk, bullshit, listen to
music, and watch the other cruisers drive my. But we never vandalized
anything, or left garbage or beer bottles (hey, it was the 70s/very
early 80s - driving and driving was okay if you only had a couple.) in
the parking lots.
"Meeting girls" meant being on the constant lookout for cute girls or a
car load of girls who were cruising looking for guys. We'd beep,
they'd beep, we'd motion for them to stop somewhere, and from there it
was the usual teenage trying to get to know you better thing. Guys
harassing girls was frowned on, and any guy hurting girl was a reason
for that guy to get his a.s kicked (beat up, not killed).
"Street racing" usually meant a progression of "are you interested"
signs. The blip of a throttle, a drop of a gear before you cruised by,
a little scratch on a gear change, a quick punch, after which, if the
other guy had returned the signs, the search for some clear pavement
quickly ensued. The race was on! Sometimes the race was a quick light
to light job. But most times any serious stuff/speed was done on the
far end of town where the road was wide and the traffic was really
spread out. Or we'd head out to the highway and organize a quarter
mile run. Yeah, it was a little stupid and dangerous, but we tried to
keep it "controlled". Nothing like the guys in the video who are doing
donuts in a crowd of people. IMO, these guys are taking what we did to
a *much* higher level. Our stuff, for the most part, was misdemeanor;
their's is mostly criminal. The cops would only give us the bump once
in a while if we stayed in one place too long or the crowd got too big.
For the most part, we policed ourselves... stupid people got yelled
at/ridiculed. On the other hand, IMO, the guys in this video should be
arrested.
However, arresting kids is the not the complete answer though.
Cities/urban areas need to offer the kids some outlets. Drag
strips/race tracks need to be available. That way when "exhibitions"
get busted up the cops can say, dude, next time drive 30-60 minutes to
the track instead of paying a fine/ticket.
Does anyone agree with me, or am I just being a hypocrite? What are
your thoughts?
Patrick
'93 Cobra
Richard - 09 Aug 2005 03:32 GMT
What video player does it use?

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> Listen to the article and then check out the video link below the
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> Patrick
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Spike - 09 Aug 2005 08:13 GMT
I gotta ask, compared to Oakland, where the incidents in the article
took place, what size and demographic type town did you live in?
Places like Merced, Modesto, etc, (think American Graffiti if you have
never been there) are worlds away from Oakland, Vallejo, East LA, etc.
Totally different street codes. Totally different "machismo". Reps
mean more, and you can't let anyone cross the line into your space. If
they push you and you don't push back harder, you're a wimp and nobody
respects a wimp. All to often, as most city cops know, this is what
leads to shootings, stabbing's, gang fights, etc. Turf wars.
Yours is really American Graffiti style. I personally prefer i that
way. Everyone does a little of this, and a little of that, and they go
home in one piece. You might get popped if you hit on somebody's
girlfriend, but usually, you accepted the rebuke and moved on.
Of course, we who were in with the out crowd didn't have those kinds
of problems. We knew we'd be laughed at for drive the folks
stationwagon... or, if you were lucky enough to own a car, it was
probably something dorky like a Corvair, or A Neapolitan. LOL
>Listen to the article and then check out the video link below the
>picture.
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SVTKate - 09 Aug 2005 17:28 GMT
I think you're gettin' old Patrick.
Give them a place to do it, and let them have some fun.
We were going to do it anyway, they will too.
Here, there is a strip in Jackson that anyone can run anything as many times
as they want for $5.00 for the whole evening.
Last Friday night we saw Quads racing, a motorcycle that was doing some
amazing times with nitros, Hot Rods, and a dork in a PT Cruiser that had
everyone laughing but he never gave up and did better each time and so so
much more.
They get a shot at racing, get their time slips and they are in a controlled
environment. Meaning NOT on the street.
Some of the cars were pro quality, others were pretty sad, all had fun and
there were several groups having a beer along side the track and watching.
Families (like mine) everyone had fun. There was even a mom, her hubby and a
couple of her teenagers in a BMW that was not fast, but she ran about three
times and had a grin all over her face.
Something should be available to people who like to play with their cars all
across the country. If someone had the capital to make it a nationwide
thing, I think it would be as hot as Sonic.
Kate
: Listen to the article and then check out the video link below the
: picture.
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AGuyNamedSteve - 10 Aug 2005 01:19 GMT
You're lucky with something like that for only $5. They started a
street legal drag program here several years ago. I think it now costs
over $20 to get in and you're lucky to get many runs at all.
For the $5 program, do they just run the lights and forget about the
ET's? Or is it a full test-n-tune style setup?
I guess you need the ET's to determine safety equipment, to comply with
insurance, NHRA/IHRA rules for associated tracks, etc...
But it seems that it could still be stripped down to the minimum cost
for the track while keeping things within safety standards.
Unfortunately, when something like this gets popular, they immediately
start to jack up prices to turn profits. Thus it's back to the streets
where the price is free, but the risks are higher.
Steve
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> I think you're gettin' old Patrick.
>
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SVTKate - 10 Aug 2005 01:51 GMT
Have a peek,
http://outlawten5.com/
: You're lucky with something like that for only $5. They started a
: street legal drag program here several years ago. I think it now costs
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: > : '93 Cobra
AGuyNamedSteve - 10 Aug 2005 05:13 GMT
What kind of turnout do they get on $5 nights?
Are we talking dozens of cars or hundreds?
> Have a peek,
> http://outlawten5.com/
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> : > : '93 Cobra
SVTKate - 10 Aug 2005 20:11 GMT
When we were out there last weekend, there were at least a hundred cars out
there, not all of them racing but a bunch of them did.
Over and over and over....
Kristen even got to ride down the track in an SS Camaro that did a 6.65 in
the 1/8th and he was NOT really pushing it cause he knew her momma would
whoop him
: What kind of turnout do they get on $5 nights?
:
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: > : > : '93 Cobra
AGuyNamedSteve - 13 Aug 2005 02:59 GMT
That was my next question... it must be an 1/8th mile track?
Steve
72 Skylark Custom455
> When we were out there last weekend, there were at least a hundred cars out
> there, not all of them racing but a bunch of them did.
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> : > : > : '93 Cobra
SVTKate - 13 Aug 2005 12:45 GMT
: That was my next question... it must be an 1/8th mile track?
:
: Steve
: 72 Skylark Custom455
Yes it is.
: > When we were out there last weekend, there were at least a hundred cars out
: > there, not all of them racing but a bunch of them did.
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WindsorFox[SS] - 10 Aug 2005 02:30 GMT
> Something should be available to people who like to play with their cars all
> across the country. If someone had the capital to make it a nationwide
> thing, I think it would be as hot as Sonic.
>
> Kate
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SVTKate - 10 Aug 2005 20:12 GMT
: > Something should be available to people who like to play with their cars all
: > across the country. If someone had the capital to make it a nationwide
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:
: "Kates Krazy Kar SideShow" Step right in and see it now!! :-P
I'm gonna have you committed.
I was thinking more like "Dangerous Dick's Drag Strip"
Kate
Michael Johnson, PE - 10 Aug 2005 22:03 GMT
> : > Something should be available to people who like to play with their cars
> all
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> I'm gonna have you committed.
> I was thinking more like "Dangerous Dick's Drag Strip"
I think that name is already taken by a tranvestite only strip club just
outside of San Francisco. ;)
SVTKate - 11 Aug 2005 00:12 GMT
: > I'm gonna have you committed.
: > I was thinking more like "Dangerous Dick's Drag Strip"
:
: I think that name is already taken by a tranvestite only strip club just
: outside of San Francisco. ;)
I'll tell my hubby that the fags are using his name in vain again... gawd
that pisses him off LOL
Richard - 11 Aug 2005 05:00 GMT
Why did he ever allow the name "Dick" to stick?

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> : > I'm gonna have you committed.
> : > I was thinking more like "Dangerous Dick's Drag Strip"
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> I'll tell my hubby that the fags are using his name in vain again... gawd
> that pisses him off LOL
SVTKate - 11 Aug 2005 12:55 GMT
His dad was a Dick, so he is a Dick.
His son, though named Richard as well, goes by his first name not Dick or
Richard.
Somehow it doesn't really seem offensive until you think of it that way.
Back in the day it wasn't a bad word. He is FROM back in the day!
Like the old "Dick & Jane" books.
My kids all call him "Chard" from a nickname I gave him. (pronounced
Shard)They obviously are not comfortable calling him Dick. Prolly cause he
is such a great guy.
: Why did he ever allow the name "Dick" to stick?
:
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: > I'll tell my hubby that the fags are using his name in vain again... gawd
: > that pisses him off LOL
WindsorFox[SS] - 11 Aug 2005 05:01 GMT
> : > I'm gonna have you committed.
> : > I was thinking more like "Dangerous Dick's Drag Strip"
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> I'll tell my hubby that the fags are using his name in vain again... gawd
> that pisses him off LOL
ROFL!! Nah I don carre HOO ya are, that thar is funny!

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WindsorFox[SS] - 11 Aug 2005 04:59 GMT
>> : > Something should be available to people who like to play with
>> their cars all
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> I think that name is already taken by a tranvestite only strip club just
> outside of San Francisco. ;)
Damn!! That was my mistake. No, the place in Frisco is the Drag AND
Strip... ROFL!!

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SVTKate - 11 Aug 2005 12:56 GMT
: > I think that name is already taken by a tranvestite only strip club just
: > outside of San Francisco. ;)
:
: Damn!! That was my mistake. No, the place in Frisco is the Drag AND
: Strip... ROFL!!
ROFL!
This just keeps getting better and better!
WindsorFox[SS] - 11 Aug 2005 04:58 GMT
> I'm gonna have you committed.
> I was thinking more like "Dangerous Dick's Drag Strip"
>
> Kate
Well, see the "Side Show" is the big car show going on in the lot
nex to the drag strip, so both are appropriate. Krazy Kates Kar Sideshow
would be an event AT "Dangerous Dicks Drag & Strip."

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SVTKate - 11 Aug 2005 12:57 GMT
Sounds like work to me.
I think I'll just pay my $5 to get in and sit in the parking lot and
bullshit with the guys.
: > I'm gonna have you committed.
: > I was thinking more like "Dangerous Dick's Drag Strip"
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: nex to the drag strip, so both are appropriate. Krazy Kates Kar Sideshow
: would be an event AT "Dangerous Dicks Drag & Strip."
Joe - 10 Aug 2005 01:33 GMT
NoOption5L@aol.com wrote in news:1123552999.877511.34810
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> Listen to the article and then check out the video link below the
> picture.
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> around to within feet of where they are standing. These people are
> truly stupid!
Totally agreed 100%. The (c)rap sound track of the video proves it.
;)
> And in the article where they are molesting women,
> getting in fights, etc... they're criminals. We (cruisers) would
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> in a while... occasionally... okay every night, there'd be a little
> street racing going on. But we were always cool about what we did.
Absolutely.
> Here were our rules:
>
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> at/ridiculed. On the other hand, IMO, the guys in this video should be
> arrested.
At the very least. Their cars should all be confiscated, too. Then
they should do 1200 hours of community service and never drive again.
The big difference is that these a.sholes have absolutely no respect
for anyone. The stuff you described above is very similar to what we
used to do - the unwritten rule was that no innocents ever got
involved. We'd take our sh.t away from anybody who wasn't directly
involved. Sure, we were all stupid to a degree (what kid isn't?), but
at least we respected others to the point where we didn't bother them
with our sh.t.
> However, arresting kids is the not the complete answer though.
It's a damn good start. ;)
> Cities/urban areas need to offer the kids some outlets. Drag
> strips/race tracks need to be available. That way when "exhibitions"
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> Patrick
> '93 Cobra
I totally agree - there are simply not enough outlets for what I'll
call "car enthusiasts". We need more tracks and areas for
"sideshows" that are all under controlled conditions. Hell, if some
of these idiot politicians would wake up, they'd realize they could
probably make a lot of money.
The only problem with controlled arenas is that the illegal element
won't be tolerated. That means no weed, drinking, drugs, etc.
There'd still be a large number who opt to go and do it on their own.
That's where the arrests should come in...
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Backyard Mechanic - 10 Aug 2005 15:23 GMT
In an age where some schools have prohibited "running on the playground"
during recess, and chase off neighborhood kids from their playgrounds..
while removing swings and climbing items or anything else where a kid might
get hurt..
Do we REALLY think that 'open comp' sanctioning for a few bucks will work?
Send a thank you note to your friendly negligence attorney... you only have
to watch tv for half an hour to find one.
And remember who votes for these things. It sure's he!! isnt usually
'fascist conservatives'. It's those people who consider it their duty to
'protect you from yourself'
Wound Up - 10 Aug 2005 23:54 GMT
> Listen to the article and then check out the video link below the
> picture.
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> Does anyone agree with me, or am I just being a hypocrite? What are
> your thoughts?
I don't think you're being hypocritical. What you and I did was not the
same as this crap. It wasn't this ridiculous and stupid. And how I
race a dude in a car on the street is not the same. I'm not looking for
"schtreet credit", I'm just having fun with someone. This stuff goes on
here, there, and everywhere. It's big in Latin America, doing stunts
etc. in a crowd of others.
If I do race someone, I don't ever race wannabe cholo scrubs, I race
others whom I sense are enthusiasts, and might just have a sense of both
their and others' mortalities, a respect for machinery, as well as an
awareness the risk factors. I let off after I know I've beaten them, or
I've been beaten. I don't want some idiot that will stomp his brakes
while I'm under full throttle (if he gets past me) to prove a point.
Sure, all of that is hard to get from 10 seconds at a stoplight, but I
know what to avoid. They're so busy proclaiming their idiotic selves to
the world, it's obvious who it is, most of the time.
The difference is whether it's basically civilized and friendly or not.
This is not. I understand pride, but this crosses the line into
stupidity. This is unskilled idiocy that anyone could do, put to music
anyone can get, pumped out of systems anyone can buy, with a decidedly
malicious side instead of the more laid-back "out cruising for chicks"
vibe. This is just trash having a trashy old good time.

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