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When first oil change for '05?

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Bort - 20 Aug 2005 19:55 GMT
My '05 mustang just hit 1,000 miles.  I could have sworn the dealer
said i could take it in there for a free oil change after 1,000 miles,
but when i just called the service department, they said it's normal to
do it after the first 3,000.

When should i actually get the oil changed?

Did anyone else get this free offer?

If so, was it for after 1,000 miles exactly?

If i wait until 3,000 miles, will i not get a free one because it was
supposed to be after 1,000?

Any help is appreciated, thanks.
trotzo - 20 Aug 2005 20:30 GMT
3,000 sounds about right. The vast majority of people out there do oil
changes every 5,000 miles, the more stringent every 3,000. I'm sure the
dealer meant you can bring it in anytime AFTER you hit 1,000. To do one
only after 1,000 miles is just a waste of oil and way too cautious.

trotzo

"I reject your reality and substitute my own" -Adam Savage "Mythbuster"

> My '05 mustang just hit 1,000 miles.  I could have sworn the dealer
> said i could take it in there for a free oil change after 1,000 miles,
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>
> Any help is appreciated, thanks.
Bort - 20 Aug 2005 20:52 GMT
> 3,000 sounds about right. The vast majority of people out there do oil
> changes every 5,000 miles, the more stringent every 3,000. I'm sure the
> dealer meant you can bring it in anytime AFTER you hit 1,000. To do one
> only after 1,000 miles is just a waste of oil and way too cautious.

Ah, this is most likely what he said, thanks for the info.

Also, perhaps i mixed up that i wasn't supposed to take it on the
highway until i hit 1,000 miles.  That's true, correct?
Ritz - 20 Aug 2005 22:49 GMT
> 3,000 sounds about right. The vast majority of people out there do oil
> changes every 5,000 miles, the more stringent every 3,000. I'm sure the
> dealer meant you can bring it in anytime AFTER you hit 1,000. To do one
> only after 1,000 miles is just a waste of oil and way too cautious.

I'd have to disagree here.  For the initial 1000 miles of break in, you
wind up with an inordinate amount of metal filings/burrs/etc in the oil
during the normal course of break in.  Best not to let that crap clog up
your filter or (worse) causing it to bypass and allow the cruft to
circulate throughout the engine unchecked.  1000 miles gives some time
for most of the garbage to be trapped by the filter at which point you
can replace the oil with synthetic and enjoy the benefits of higher
quality oil and 5000 mile oil change intervals.

Cheers,
trotzo - 21 Aug 2005 00:01 GMT
Ahhhhh whatta I know..... all my cars have been 2nd hand. Sorry for the
misinformation Bort. I'd go with what Ritz is sayin....

> > 3,000 sounds about right. The vast majority of people out there do oil
> > changes every 5,000 miles, the more stringent every 3,000. I'm sure the
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>
> Cheers,
cprice@here.com - 21 Aug 2005 05:38 GMT
    AFAIK, new cars have a break-in performed at the factory. I recall
seeing video of sn-95 mustangs on the production line and how each one
went to what was kinda like a chassis dyno. They run the powertrain for
the equivalent of like 200 miles or something with the odometer
disconnected. I might be smoking crack here, so can anyone back this up
(or blow it away)?

   

>> 3,000 sounds about right. The vast majority of people out there do oil
>> changes every 5,000 miles, the more stringent every 3,000. I'm sure the
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>
> Cheers,
.boB - 21 Aug 2005 05:43 GMT
>     AFAIK, new cars have a break-in performed at the factory. I recall
> seeing video of sn-95 mustangs on the production line and how each one
> went to what was kinda like a chassis dyno. They run the powertrain for
> the equivalent of like 200 miles or something with the odometer
> disconnected. I might be smoking crack here, so can anyone back this up
> (or blow it away)?

    Harley puts their machines on a chassis "dyno" to do a quick systems check
before going out the door.  But it's not enough to break in the engine, only 1-2
minutes.  I've never heard of Ford doing anything like that.

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dwight - 21 Aug 2005 13:48 GMT
>> 3,000 sounds about right. The vast majority of people out there do oil
>> changes every 5,000 miles, the more stringent every 3,000. I'm sure the
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>
> Cheers,

Yes - new engine, change the oil at 1,000. In the case of my new lawn
tractor, after the first five hours. (Probably because it's a
high-performance one-cylinder engine pumping out 17.5HP. What a beast.)

dwight
WindsorFox[SS] - 21 Aug 2005 22:39 GMT
>>>3,000 sounds about right. The vast majority of people out there do oil
>>>changes every 5,000 miles, the more stringent every 3,000. I'm sure the
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>
> dwight

   You should get one of those bilge blowers for it and supercharge it. :-P

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Wound Up - 21 Aug 2005 16:54 GMT
>> 3,000 sounds about right. The vast majority of people out there do oil
>> changes every 5,000 miles, the more stringent every 3,000. I'm sure the
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> can replace the oil with synthetic and enjoy the benefits of higher
> quality oil and 5000 mile oil change intervals.

I concur with Ritz... and have heard many others say the same thing

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Backyard Mechanic - 21 Aug 2005 19:14 GMT
>> 3,000 sounds about right. The vast majority of people out there do oil
>> changes every 5,000 miles, the more stringent every 3,000. I'm sure the
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> your filter or (worse) causing it to bypass and allow the cruft to
> circulate throughout the engine unchecked.  

Hmmmm. seems to make sense

> 1000 miles gives some time
> for most of the garbage to be trapped by the filter at which point you
> can replace the oil with synthetic and enjoy the benefits of higher
> quality oil and 5000 mile oil change intervals.

WAIT A  MINUTE!!!

If the first is true then how can you do the second?  Meaning, if there
is a 'break-in' then you sure's hell better do what the rebuild shops say
and not use synth until the engine is broken in!  And THEY say about
8,000!

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Wear is normal, a little wear is good, esp if tolerances are a little
loose or tight.  But from all I read and observe, factory tolerance today
are simply MUCH better than even 20 years ago.

Engine build areas, I KNOW, are much cleaner.

Either do the FIRST oil change yourself so you can inspect the magnet on
the drain plug for metal..

.. or do what the dealer says...BTW, he is NOT going to tell you if the
plug comes out covered in shavings!

My guess is you will find few to NONE.. to make sure you do it right,
have a dish of alcohol nearby to dip the drain plug in, all will be
revealed.
- - --  --  - - -

BTW, you CAN be too anal.  Every time you take your car to the shop, you
chance the 'ran fine before i opened the hood syndrome'.

Meaning there's a small chance that a mistake can be made... like the
folks who have used jiffy-lube and left a trail of engine oil for several
blocks before their engine quit.
Ritz - 21 Aug 2005 21:45 GMT
>>1000 miles gives some time
>>for most of the garbage to be trapped by the filter at which point you
>>can replace the oil with synthetic and enjoy the benefits of higher
>>quality oil and 5000 mile oil change intervals.
>
> WAIT A  MINUTE!!!

Okay.

> If the first is true then how can you do the second?  Meaning, if there
> is a 'break-in' then you sure's hell better do what the rebuild shops say
> and not use synth until the engine is broken in!  And THEY say about
> 8,000!

Huh?  What do those "rebuild shops" say?  Point me towards a source.  No
reputable "rebuild shop" that I'm aware of would argue with my advice
above.  But hey, I'm open to new ideas.  Educate me.

> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> Wear is normal, a little wear is good, esp if tolerances are a little
> loose or tight.  But from all I read and observe, factory tolerance today
> are simply MUCH better than even 20 years ago.

Wear is never good except to seat the rings.  With modern materials,
rings seat VERY quickly.  I'm not sure I understand the rest of your
statement.  Are you suggesting wear is good with loose tolerances or
tight tolerances?  Or both?  And yes, factory tolerances are
SUBSTANTIALLY tighter than they were "years ago."

> Either do the FIRST oil change yourself so you can inspect the magnet on
> the drain plug for metal..

Eh?

> .. or do what the dealer says...BTW, he is NOT going to tell you if the
> plug comes out covered in shavings!

I really don't follow.  If the oil filter is doing it's job, you should
have minimal shavings on a magnetic plug regardless.  If you do, that's
indicative of a problem.

> My guess is you will find few to NONE.. to make sure you do it right,
> have a dish of alcohol nearby to dip the drain plug in, all will be
> revealed.

Heh, if you say so.

> BTW, you CAN be too anal.  Every time you take your car to the shop, you
> chance the 'ran fine before i opened the hood syndrome'.

Which is why I don't let anyone service my cars except me.

> Meaning there's a small chance that a mistake can be made... like the
> folks who have used jiffy-lube and left a trail of engine oil for several
> blocks before their engine quit.

And this is relevant to the discusion because........????  If your
mechanic is a bonehead, you've got larger problems looming than worrying
about the break-in period for your engine.

Have a nice day.
Backyard Mechanic - 21 Aug 2005 23:09 GMT
SCrape!

Point being, if you didnt catch it, if there's gonna be any wear to cause
shavings, metal dust then you dont want to use synth until the engine is
broken in.


And engines are now built to CLOSER, not necessarily "tighter " tolerances.

I can see right now that you re a guy who takes a position and stays with
it.. Never mind anything else.

And I particularly like your stance about only letting yourself under the
hood, I feel the same way.. but the difference between you and me is
sometimes I inadverdantly cause another problem.  Which you dont,
apparently.

So far be it for me to argue with the perfect mech.

You stay over there, I'll stay over here, with Warman.

> Have a nice day.

Yeah... whatever!
trotzo - 21 Aug 2005 23:42 GMT
Jeez.. all the poor guy wanted to know was if he should get his oil
changed, not start a major revolution....lol

In my life's experience I've found many different points of view on oil
changes, everybody always assumes their way is the right way. I have
zero experience with new cars, I'd rather buy 'em after they depreciate
a little, after all, how much do you lose just from driving them off
the lot? I've had many awesome cars, some were lemons, some were not.
Fortunately, I have the knowledge (and the tools) to keep 'em running.
That's the chance I take every time I buy one second hand. But, I've
found some great deals and (willingly) took on project cars. My latest
project was an 87 Fiero GT. Whatta great car but a bitch to work on. 6
hours to change the alternator (damn mid engine cars) but a blast to
drive.

trotzo

"Oh therapy can you please fill a void, am I retarded or am I just
overjoyed?" - Green Day

> SCrape!
>
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>
> Yeah... whatever!
ironrod - 02 Sep 2005 21:45 GMT
Been there, done that.

> >> 3,000 sounds about right. The vast majority of people out there do oil
> >> changes every 5,000 miles, the more stringent every 3,000. I'm sure
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> folks who have used jiffy-lube and left a trail of engine oil for several
> blocks before their engine quit.
Quiet Desperation - 23 Aug 2005 03:21 GMT
> The vast majority of people out there do oil
> changes every 5,000 miles, the more stringent every 3,000.

I dunno... I used to buy into the Jiffy Lube 3500 number, but then I
decided, well, the folks who designed and built the damn car say 5000,
so I think I'll go with that. :)
Backyard Mechanic - 29 Aug 2005 03:41 GMT
Quiet Desperation <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in news:220820051921480064%
nospam@nospam.com:

>> The vast majority of people out there do oil
>> changes every 5,000 miles, the more stringent every 3,000.
>
> I dunno... I used to buy into the Jiffy Lube 3500 number, but then I
> decided, well, the folks who designed and built the damn car say 5000,
> so I think I'll go with that. :)

And the vast majority think Pennzoil and Quaker State is good oil, too.

Well, maybe THAT's why the 3000 miles.

I know I wouldnt be such a slacker if I only had them to use.
John H. - 20 Aug 2005 22:35 GMT
>My '05 mustang just hit 1,000 miles.  I could have sworn the dealer
>said i could take it in there for a free oil change after 1,000 miles,
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
>Any help is appreciated, thanks.

The first service, according to the book, is at 5000 miles. I had them change
mine at about 1000. I'll get it changed again at the 5000 mile mark.

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Ritz - 20 Aug 2005 22:46 GMT
> My '05 mustang just hit 1,000 miles.  I could have sworn the dealer
> said i could take it in there for a free oil change after 1,000 miles,
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Any help is appreciated, thanks.

For a new car, I always give it about 1000 miles on the factory fill for
break in.  After that (immediately after that) I fill it with Mobil 1
synthetic oil in the proper viscosity and a quality oil filter (no Fram,
no STP, no Walmart/Napa/Valucraft/etc specials).  Then I do changes
every 5000 miles.

Cheers,
Wound Up - 21 Aug 2005 16:53 GMT
> My '05 mustang just hit 1,000 miles.  I could have sworn the dealer
> said i could take it in there for a free oil change after 1,000 miles,
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Any help is appreciated, thanks.

If it were my car, regardless of what they did at the factory, I'd do
this.

Change it at 500, 1000, 2000 and 3000.  A waste?  Hardly.  Oil cannot be
"too clean" and it takes a number of changes to get all the miniscule
metal particles out of the engine.  I myself am skeptical about what is
claimed to have been done at the factory.  I wasn't there.  I am there
with the clean oil.  I did this with my one and only new car, and it ran
just as strongly after 125,000 hard miles as it did after it was broken in.

Wind it up (seriously) a few times while it's still new, on that fresh
oil.  You need to seat the rings, the valves, and spin everything nice
and hard a few times while it's new.  I'm not talking once / day, but I
am talking about taking it close to redline up an on-ramp every now and
then.  It's not bad to do this.  Any engine builder should agree that it
actually helps.

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NoOption5L@aol.com - 22 Aug 2005 02:57 GMT
> > My '05 mustang just hit 1,000 miles.  I could have sworn the dealer
> > said i could take it in there for a free oil change after 1,000 miles,
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> metal particles out of the engine.  I myself am skeptical about what is
> claimed to have been done at the factory.  I wasn't there.

I side with Wound Up.  New engines have lots of metals shavings
floating around in the oil.  I like my first oil change after only a
couple hundred miles, then another after about 1,000-1,500 more.  From
there I gradually settle in to my normal oil change schedule.

Oil is cheap compared to an engine.  

Patrick
'93 Cobra
Joe - 22 Aug 2005 03:10 GMT
>> > My '05 mustang just hit 1,000 miles.  I could have sworn the
>> > dealer said i could take it in there for a free oil change after
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> Patrick
> '93 Cobra

There ya go.  Wise words.  Now, ol' WF would prolly say to put some
Amsoil in and leave it until same time next year...  lol!
ironrod - 02 Sep 2005 21:45 GMT
I'm not sure about today's engines, but there was a time when the initial
fill from the factory (in GM cars at least) contained a special type of
'break in' oil.  More likely it was an additive to the oil, regardless, I
know that GM offered the additive as a specific part number to be used when
certain internal engine repairs were made.  Assuming that to still be the
case you should follow the manufactures directions and change when specified
in the owners manual.  Using my own personal experience I would run dino oil
for about 15,000 miles till everything gets seated, then switch to a good
synthetic and change it every 10,000 miles, or annually whichever comes
first.

I know most people will consider what I am saying as abusing the engine,
but keep in mind that I have been doing this to my 17 year old 88GT since I
bought it new, (252,000 miles and still running strong).  I also
successfully ran a rebuilt 78 Trans AM (T/A 6.6) for close to 150,000 miles
this way before selling it to get the 'stang.  Another thing you should
consider, "The more often you mess with something, the more likely you are
to mess it up.".  Do the math, if you change your oil every 3000 miles by
the time you get to 100,000 miles you would have turned that drain plug 33
times, Whereas I have driven 1.5 times that distance already and have only
turned the same screw 25 times.  The fact is, the fewer times you stick your
head under the hood, the fewer opportunities you have to break it.  I'm not
trying to discourage you from working on your car when it's necessary, but
remember, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

> My '05 mustang just hit 1,000 miles.  I could have sworn the dealer
> said i could take it in there for a free oil change after 1,000 miles,
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Any help is appreciated, thanks.
 
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