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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Mustang / September 2005New cobra, same old ford marketing crap.
This is old news, but I haven't seen it covered here... Yep folks, ford has once again decided on instant collectable marketing by spreading the cobras thin. http://thegt500source.com/2005/articles/shelbygt500.dealerallocati.html At current projections, we expect around 7,000 units to be produced for the 2007 model year. Allocation will be as follows: . Two incremental units for current full-line SVT dealers (605 dealers) . One incremental unit for SVT Focus-only dealers (700 dealers) . One unit for any dealer who completes certification requirements . One unit for 2005 President's Award winners (343 dealers) . Remaining production will be allocated based on a Mustang share-of-nation formula Given their example, my guess is a high volume award wining dealer in a big metro area might, if they jump through all the hoops, will get 6 or 7 cobras. Which means they'll mark them way up and sit on them until someone comes along willing to pay whatever the dealer is charging. Which they can do, because it will be easy to find that few people with more money than sense. Whomever stated they would be built to demand seems to be wrong. It's the artifically created rarity again. > Whomever stated they would be built to demand seems to be wrong. It's the > artifically created rarity again. Then again, it remains to be seen if 7,000 units of a two passenger vehicle returning only 15 miles per $5 gallon of gas is NOT in excess of demand. 180 Out >> Whomever stated they would be built to demand seems to be wrong. It's the >> artifically created rarity again. > > Then again, it remains to be seen if 7,000 units of a two passenger > vehicle returning only 15 miles per $5 gallon of gas is NOT in excess > of demand. I'll either have a Cobra convertible or a Corvette Z06 in the garage next year. Which one depends on how much Ford dealers jack the price up on the GT500. Either way I don't see myself a looser. :) >>> Whomever stated they would be built to demand seems to be wrong. >>> It's the artifically created rarity again. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > next year. Which one depends on how much Ford dealers jack the price > up on the GT500. Either way I don't see myself a looser. :) A fin says it'll be the Z06. And yes, you'll be a winner. Probably in more ways than one... ;) >>>>Whomever stated they would be built to demand seems to be wrong. >>>>It's the artifically created rarity again. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > A fin says it'll be the Z06. And yes, you'll be a winner. Probably in > more ways than one... ;) I wouldn't take that bet because I plan to test drive both. The only pluses for the GT500 is it might be substantially cheaper and it can be had as a convertible. Whether the test drive in the Z06 makes me forget about those two things remains to be seen. Just reading the specs on the Z06 puts a BAG on my face. I think it will be just a tick slower than the Ford GT which is still pretty damn good, IMHO. Especially considering the price differential. >>>>>Whomever stated they would be built to demand seems to be wrong. >>>>>It's the artifically created rarity again. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > I wouldn't take that bet because I plan to test drive both. The only > pluses for the GT500 is it might be substantially cheaper Possibly cheaper than the Z06, but why not look at a "non-Z06" 'Vette? > and it can > be had as a convertible. A "regular" 'Vette can be.. ;) > Whether the test drive in the Z06 makes me > forget about those two things remains to be seen. Just reading the > specs on the Z06 puts a BAG on my face. I think it will be just a > tick slower than the Ford GT which is still pretty damn good, IMHO. > Especially considering the price differential. I guess we can all play the numbers game, but IMO the bottom line is how much you like the driving experience and how much you're willing to pay for that experience. If I were shopping in that arena, the first thing I'd do is trot on down to the Chevy dealer and take a Corvette convertible out for a nice extended ride - you can do that right now. Who knows - considering the price tag, that may be the end of the shopping trip... >>>>>> Whomever stated they would be built to demand seems to be wrong. >>>>>> It's the artifically created rarity again. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Possibly cheaper than the Z06, but why not look at a "non-Z06" 'Vette? I may do that also. I really want a convertible. >> and it can >> be had as a convertible. > > A "regular" 'Vette can be.. ;) The Z06 is seriously fast and the GT500 can be made seriously fast for little money. The regular Vette is fast and all but 400 hp at the crank just won't satisfy me. One thing I need to figure out is whether the better handling/braking of the Z06 is something I want or can use. I don't plan to road race either car so I may decide the Z06 is too much overkill. I do know I want hp/tq and either car will give that in spades. >> Whether the test drive in the Z06 makes me >> forget about those two things remains to be seen. Just reading the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > how much you like the driving experience and how much you're willing to > pay for that experience. I did want a GT but when the prices started running up on them it fell by the wayside. I can't justify spending that much money on a car that would mostly sit in garage. Plus there were problems popping up like cracking control arms, crank shaft problems etc. Plus the Z06 is damn near its equal and the price is rumored to be somewhere in the $65k-$80k range. > If I were shopping in that arena, the first thing I'd do is trot on > down to the Chevy dealer and take a Corvette convertible out for a nice > extended ride - you can do that right now. Who knows - considering the > price tag, that may be the end of the shopping trip... I think I will end up with a GT500 if it can be had for less than $50k. The hp/torque potential of a 5.4L DOHC V-8 with a twin screw blower is almost too much for me to resist. Plus the engine will be built like a brick $hit house so reliability will be there from day one. Can you say 650 twhp/rwtq? I sure can! > I think I will end up with a GT500 if it can be had for less than $50k. > The hp/torque potential of a 5.4L DOHC V-8 with a twin screw blower is > almost too much for me to resist. Plus the engine will be built like a > brick $hit house so reliability will be there from day one. Can you say > 650 twhp/rwtq? I sure can! If your budget is $50k and you're after a 351W, why not just shop around for a "gently used" Cobra R? Somebody is selling Bondurant's old SN95 Cobra R on ebay. Granted, the SN95 is pretty ugly, but I'm sure you can find something better if you hunt around. Cheers, >> I think I will end up with a GT500 if it can be had for less than >> $50k. The hp/torque potential of a 5.4L DOHC V-8 with a twin screw [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Cobra R on ebay. Granted, the SN95 is pretty ugly, but I'm sure you can > find something better if you hunt around. My budget isn't necessarily $50k. That is the cutoff on the GT500 where I would start seriously looking at the Z06. The Cobra R is a nice car but I want a vert and the '06-'07 Cobra will probably be very close to it in handling and should crush it in straight line performance. If Ford builds the 5.4L the same way they built the 4.6L in the '03-'04 Cobra it will be a damn near bullet proof engine capable of supporting 800+ rwhp without removing the valve covers. Plus, the new Mustangs just look too good to pass up. Especially with a twin screw blower on a 5.4L DOHC V-8 under the hood. :) >>> I think I will end up with a GT500 if it can be had for less than >>> $50k. The hp/torque potential of a 5.4L DOHC V-8 with a twin screw [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > just look too good to pass up. Especially with a twin screw blower on a > 5.4L DOHC V-8 under the hood. :) Yeah, I like the current look of the Mustang too, but I feel rather alienated by Ford's inability (or unwillingness) to make enough to go around creating an artificially tight market so the dealers can feast on the fans... Cheers, >>>> I think I will end up with a GT500 if it can be had for less than >>>> $50k. The hp/torque potential of a 5.4L DOHC V-8 with a twin screw [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > around creating an artificially tight market so the dealers can feast on > the fans... Well, they are in the business of selling cars to make money. I can't fault them for that. How many of us have turned down a raise because we thought we were being paid too much? ;) >> Yeah, I like the current look of the Mustang too, but I feel rather >> alienated by Ford's inability (or unwillingness) to make enough to go [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > fault them for that. How many of us have turned down a raise because we > thought we were being paid too much? ;) Ford isn't making the extra money though, the dealers are. Ford hasn't raised the prices. >>>Yeah, I like the current look of the Mustang too, but I feel rather >>>alienated by Ford's inability (or unwillingness) to make enough to go [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Ford isn't making the extra money though, the dealers are. Ford hasn't > raised the prices. I feel the same regarding dealers. ;) >> Yeah, I like the current look of the Mustang too, but I feel rather >> alienated by Ford's inability (or unwillingness) to make enough to go [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > fault them for that. How many of us have turned down a raise because we > thought we were being paid too much? ;) Well, they make X amount per unit. When the dealer gouges enthusiasts for a few grand over MSRP, Ford doesn't see a dime of that. Cheers, >>> Yeah, I like the current look of the Mustang too, but I feel rather >>> alienated by Ford's inability (or unwillingness) to make enough to go [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Well, they make X amount per unit. When the dealer gouges enthusiasts > for a few grand over MSRP, Ford doesn't see a dime of that. My statement applies to Ford, Ford dealers, the 7-11 on the corner etc. If you were selling your house and knew you could get a million dollars for it even though you paid $500,000 for it two years ago would you sell it for a million dollars? I think nearly every one of us would take the profit. Ford dealers don't owe me anything. They do what is in their best interest economically. Just like you or I do on a daily basis. For some reason many of us think a business should play by different rules than we have for the individual. >> Well, they make X amount per unit. When the dealer gouges enthusiasts >> for a few grand over MSRP, Ford doesn't see a dime of that. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > For some reason many of us think a business should play by different > rules than we have for the individual. But the dealers are only able to take advantage of this situation because of the artificially low supply of product from Ford. Given the current energy realities in the US/World, you'd think they could free up a little production capacity and note all those Excursions/Expeditions now sitting in dealer lots unsold. Cheers, >>> Well, they make X amount per unit. When the dealer gouges >>> enthusiasts for a few grand over MSRP, Ford doesn't see a dime of that. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > a little production capacity and note all those Excursions/Expeditions > now sitting in dealer lots unsold. I doubt the GT500s will get much better mileage than Ford's SUV line. ;) >>>> Well, they make X amount per unit. When the dealer gouges >>>> enthusiasts for a few grand over MSRP, Ford doesn't see a dime of that. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > I doubt the GT500s will get much better mileage than Ford's SUV line. ;) A blown 351 should be downright frugal compared to an Excursion or Expedition... Cheers, >>>>> Well, they make X amount per unit. When the dealer gouges >>>>> enthusiasts for a few grand over MSRP, Ford doesn't see a dime of [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > A blown 351 should be downright frugal compared to an Excursion or > Expedition... Not the way I drive. ;) >>>>>>> Whomever stated they would be built to demand seems to be >>>>>>> wrong. It's the artifically created rarity again. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > for little money. The regular Vette is fast and all but 400 hp at > the crank just won't satisfy me. I'd take one out and thrash it before I said that. Also, there are plenty of shops that be more than happy to bump that 400 up a few notches if you really need more. A nice little twin-turbo kit would be nifty for starters, and you'd still probably be under what a Z06 would cost. > One thing I need to figure out is > whether the better handling/braking of the Z06 is something I want or > can use. I don't plan to road race either car so I may decide the > Z06 is too much overkill. I think you answered your own question. > I do know I want hp/tq and either car will > give that in spades. Fer sure. >>> Whether the test drive in the Z06 makes me >>> forget about those two things remains to be seen. Just reading the [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Plus the Z06 is damn near its equal and the price is rumored to be > somewhere in the $65k-$80k range. By the same token, look what you can get for that price with a 'Vette convertible and a few mods. >> If I were shopping in that arena, the first thing I'd do is trot on >> down to the Chevy dealer and take a Corvette convertible out for a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I think I will end up with a GT500 if it can be had for less than > $50k. Don't get me wrong - the GT500 is awesome, but given Ford's tendency to creep the price and keep production down, I'll bet they end up going for more than $60k simply for the "collectibility" factor. > The hp/torque potential of a 5.4L DOHC V-8 with a twin screw blower > is > almost too much for me to resist. Plus the engine will be built like > a brick $hit house so reliability will be there from day one. Can > you say 650 twhp/rwtq? I sure can! Hehe. I'll bet you've been practicing that phrase... ;) >>><snip> >>> A "regular" 'Vette can be.. ;) [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > nifty for starters, and you'd still probably be under what a Z06 would > cost. Trouble that to make a stock Vette engine reliable with forced induction would require a complete engine tear down and installation of forged parts and changing the compression ratio. By the time all this is paid for I could have a Z06 with a warranty or one VERY mean GT500 vert. >> One thing I need to figure out is >> whether the better handling/braking of the Z06 is something I want or >> can use. I don't plan to road race either car so I may decide the >> Z06 is too much overkill. > > I think you answered your own question. After building the LX over the past several years I really want a car that I can get in and drive whenever I want. Having all out handling performance is nice but really how many times can it be utilized without going to a track. Plus, I have always cared more about straight line performance than handling. >> I do know I want hp/tq and either car will >> give that in spades. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > By the same token, look what you can get for that price with a 'Vette > convertible and a few mods. One other plus with the GT500 is the ability to seat four people. I have nieces and nephews that come to visit often and being able to take everyone along on a Sunday drive is important too. The more I type the more I'm talking myself into the GT500. :) >>> If I were shopping in that arena, the first thing I'd do is trot on >>> down to the Chevy dealer and take a Corvette convertible out for a [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > creep the price and keep production down, I'll bet they end up going > for more than $60k simply for the "collectibility" factor. If it is that expensive there are other cars I would consider too. There are some nice verts from Lexus, Mercedes, BMW etc. I think the pricing of the GT500 will initially be high but will fall in the $45k-$50k range after the first rush is over. >> The hp/torque potential of a 5.4L DOHC V-8 with a twin screw blower >> is [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Hehe. I'll bet you've been practicing that phrase... ;) Well, you know about my attraction to twin screw blowers. ;) >>>><snip> >>>> A "regular" 'Vette can be.. ;) [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > this is paid for I could have a Z06 with a warranty or one VERY mean > GT500 vert. You don't necessarily have to do the internals if your mods are "mild" enough. Certainly you could throw a chip in there in lieu of the turbos and stay well on the safe side but still have some extra punch. My only point is that there are bolt-on mods you can do without having to get inside. Might be worth checking this stuff out. The main reason I'm pursuing this is because my brother owns a C4, which he absolultely loves. He's constantly raving about what others are doing with their cars for a few grand. >>> One thing I need to figure out is >>> whether the better handling/braking of the Z06 is something I want [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > without going to a track. Plus, I have always cared more about > straight line performance than handling. Sounds like you really don't need Z06 handling. >>> I do know I want hp/tq and either car will >>> give that in spades. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > take everyone along on a Sunday drive is important too. The more I > type the more I'm talking myself into the GT500. :) Nothing wrong with that! Michael, I really hope you can find one at a decent price. >>>> If I were shopping in that arena, the first thing I'd do is trot >>>> on down to the Chevy dealer and take a Corvette convertible out [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > pricing of the GT500 will initially be high but will fall in the > $45k-$50k range after the first rush is over. Guess we'll have to see. Personally, I don't think there will be any left after they all sell out at around $60k or more... ;) >>> The hp/torque potential of a 5.4L DOHC V-8 with a twin screw >>> blower is [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Well, you know about my attraction to twin screw blowers. ;) That's what _she_ said... lol! >>><snip> >> Trouble that to make a stock Vette engine reliable with forced [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > absolultely loves. He's constantly raving about what others are doing > with their cars for a few grand. I have nickled and dimed myself over the mods on LX. I don't want to do it again on a new Vette. The GT500 will have a built engine from the factory and the Z06 with 500 hp in a 3,200# car is more than enough. The GT500 with exhaust, smaller pulley, chip and a few intake mods should easily be good for a very reliable 600 rwhp. >>>><snip> >> After building the LX over the past several years I really want a car [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Sounds like you really don't need Z06 handling. I don't really. It would be overkill to the extreme. but then so is 600 rwhp in the Cobra. :) >>>><snip> >> One other plus with the GT500 is the ability to seat four people. I [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Nothing wrong with that! Michael, I really hope you can find one at a > decent price. Well, there is always a Mustang GT vert with a forged bottom and a KB Blowzilla for good measure. That should be under $40k. >>>>><snip> >> If it is that expensive there are other cars I would consider too. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Guess we'll have to see. Personally, I don't think there will be any > left after they all sell out at around $60k or more... ;) I hope you're wrong. If they do another 7k run the following year I think the price will drop. Has Ford committed to a two year run? >>>> The hp/torque potential of a 5.4L DOHC V-8 with a twin screw >>>> blower is [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > lol! Since it is "twin screw blowers" should it be "That's what they said". :) > I have nickled and dimed myself over the mods on LX. I don't want to do > it again on a new Vette. The GT500 will have a built engine from the > factory and the Z06 with 500 hp in a 3,200# car is more than enough. I always thought I would just mod my GT... One of the reasons I didn't buy cobra. I've had the car since dec '96 and I haven't done much of anything. Something else gets in the way and because I can't have it apart for more than a day or so. So this time, I want as much as I can on the car from the factory. >>I have nickled and dimed myself over the mods on LX. I don't want to do >>it again on a new Vette. The GT500 will have a built engine from the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > apart for more than a day or so. So this time, I want as much as > I can on the car from the factory. I have spent insane amounts of money on my '89 LX. All that work and it makes about 425 rwhp and it is far from reliable (that would take even more money). Now I could buy a used '03-'04 Cobra and spend about $1,500 in mods and have 500 rwhp. The kicker is I could do that for less than I have spent on the LX. Next time around I'm getting as much as I can from the factory too. In the end I will definitely save money. <combining topics from various replies> Are the majority of people in this market really buying these cars as every day drivers? Whatever I buy, I intend to keep my '97 as my daily driver. I don't think I can fit in the vette, but I may check it out if ford dealers jack up the price. The new cobra is about price, I am willing to make the trade offs for the savings. The reason I think some '04s sat is because everyone was waiting for what was next. I certainly was. When I was buying a part for my '97 and took a look at an '05 GT the sales droid tried to steer me towards an '04 or '03 (forget if it was used or not, think it was) cobra. But I wasn't interested because it was still an SN95 (plus the styling of the '99 up never really grew on me to the point where I liked it) Better than what I have of course, but not enough better for me to spend the money. I guess we'll see... but I don't see a dealership in chicago area doing anything but treating them as if they were some kind of rare work of art. There is still the odd 2004 Cobra sitting new in dealerships. There's 1-2 locally around me that seem to be shifting from dealer to dealer. Last price I saw was 37K Canadian dollars. > <combining topics from various replies> > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > I guess we'll see... but I don't see a dealership in chicago area doing > anything but treating them as if they were some kind of rare work of art. > This is old news, but I haven't seen it covered here... > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Whomever stated they would be built to demand seems to be wrong. It's the > artifically created rarity again. Just my guess, but I imagine 7000 to be a pretty close estimate to what the market will be for a car like that. When they produced around 8k in '99 there were quite a few sitting on lots at the end of summer, with good discounts. The production figures for both '03 and '04 were just ridiculous, over 10k produced, and the dealers were cutting each others throats to make a sale at seasons end. When it's possible to snag a new Cobra at $10k _below_ sticker, that's a sign of overproduction on Fords part. It's tough to gauge the market. There are a lot of people re-thinking major purchases right now, and if the current fuel trend continues, I imagine a gas guzzlin' blown 'Stang might not seem real smart to a lot of folks. Hell, maybe 7k will be too many. -- John C. '03 Cobra Convt. (but I'll be tradin' up, I reckon) > '03 Cobra Convt. (but I'll be tradin' up, I reckon) I had to chuckle at your remark in the parenthesis. Who would have thought that in just 2-3 years the Terminator would be "terminated" itself by the next Cobra. Times are good indeed for us gear heads. :) > > '03 Cobra Convt. (but I'll be tradin' up, I reckon) > > I had to chuckle at your remark in the parenthesis. Who would have > thought that in just 2-3 years the Terminator would be "terminated" > itself by the next Cobra. Times are good indeed for us gear heads. :) Yes, indeed. When I picked up the Cobra I was pretty confident it would be a "keeper", the pinnacle of Mustang performance. The GT500 relegates it to "also ran" status. More motor, and better looks, too. The bastids keep coming up with ways to get my money. :) Got to wonder what the true HP will be on the GT500, it would be nice if it came with the same degree of "bonus" power the blown 4.6 came with. The baseline dyno of the '03 showed peak rwhp at 386. I'm looking forward to seeing the first one hit the lots, it's gonna be a feeding frenzy at the start. I remember the excitement the first of the '03 Mach 1s generated, it was a freakin' circus.  SignatureJohn C. '03 Cobra Convt. >>> '03 Cobra Convt. (but I'll be tradin' up, I reckon) >> I had to chuckle at your remark in the parenthesis. Who would have [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > status. More motor, and better looks, too. The bastids keep coming up with > ways to get my money. :) The last Mustang I bought new was in 1989 and I still have it. The '05s were the first model to really make me want to buy another one. IMO, Ford has hit a grand slam homerun with it. I can only imagine the other models they will spin off. I see them releasing an a.s kicking NA Boss Mustang in a few years. > Got to wonder what the true HP will be on the GT500, it would be nice if it > came with the same degree of "bonus" power the blown 4.6 came with. The > baseline dyno of the '03 showed peak rwhp at 386. My guess is it will make between 425-450 rwhp. That should put it in the 500-525 hp range at the flywheel. I bet just a retune would get it close to 500 rwhp. > I'm looking forward to seeing the first one hit the lots, it's gonna be a > feeding frenzy at the start. I remember the excitement the first of the '03 > Mach 1s generated, it was a freakin' circus. With 7,000 units I think the frenzy will die down after the first couple thousand are delivered. If Ford does another 7,000 run the following year then the price should stabilize to a little above sticker or right at sticker, IMO. >>>> '03 Cobra Convt. (but I'll be tradin' up, I reckon) >>> I had to chuckle at your remark in the parenthesis. Who would have [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > following year then the price should stabilize to a little above > sticker or right at sticker, IMO. Michael, just a few thoughts from before: a) See if GM will sell you a convertible Corvette with a Z06 motor. You can ask the salesman when you come back from your test drive. ;) b) Check out what Steeda's offering for the GT. IIRC, they have some pretty decent turnkey offerings that you can purchase from your Ford dealer. > Michael, just a few thoughts from before: > > a) See if GM will sell you a convertible Corvette with a Z06 motor. > You can ask the salesman when you come back from your test drive. ;) I think I'd rather have a coupe with that much torque under the hood. > b) Check out what Steeda's offering for the GT. IIRC, they have some > pretty decent turnkey offerings that you can purchase from your Ford > dealer. There are already a few supercharger kits out for the 3V 4.6. I suspect a GT + suspension + blower + big brakes is going to still come out at a~$15k less than what the first sucke....er...uhm...customers...end up paying for the GT500 and will be almost as fast (or just as fast if you use more boost). Of course, if you're a collector, that's not going to cut it, but if you just want a fast weekend car... The 351W is a nice motor though. The marine version of the 351 crate engine puts out nearly 350hp in normally aspirated trim. If I was going to build a modern Mustang hotrod, I'd probably start with one of those since my 428cj won't fit. 8-) Cheers, > The 351W is a nice motor though. The marine version of the 351 crate > engine puts out nearly 350hp in normally aspirated trim. Except the new GT500 isn't getting a OHV 351 (5.8), It's getting a DOHC 5.4. SignatureScott W. '66 HCS Mustang 289 '68 Ranchero 500 302 '69 Mustang Sportsroof 351W ThunderSnake #57 http://home.comcast.net/~vanguard92/ >>The 351W is a nice motor though. The marine version of the 351 crate >>engine puts out nearly 350hp in normally aspirated trim. > > Except the new GT500 isn't getting a OHV 351 (5.8), It's getting a DOHC 5.4. Ahhh...shows you how much I've kept up with newer Mustangs (other than the new look). Cheers, >>>>> '03 Cobra Convt. (but I'll be tradin' up, I reckon) >>>> I had to chuckle at your remark in the parenthesis. Who would have [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > a) See if GM will sell you a convertible Corvette with a Z06 motor. > You can ask the salesman when you come back from your test drive. ;) He would probably not know the engines are different. Salesmen are not known for their knowledge regarding the cars they sell. :) > b) Check out what Steeda's offering for the GT. IIRC, they have some > pretty decent turnkey offerings that you can purchase from your Ford > dealer. Steeda, Saleen etc. make some potent versions of the Stang but they don't offer the 5.4L which, IMO, is what really sets the GT500 apart from the the garden variety GT's. It is essentially an iron block version of the Ford GT motor. That is what really attracts me to the car. >>>>>> '03 Cobra Convt. (but I'll be tradin' up, I reckon) >>>>> I had to chuckle at your remark in the parenthesis. Who would [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > He would probably not know the engines are different. Salesmen are > not known for their knowledge regarding the cars they sell. :) With all the "new" pricing offered these days (i.e., employee pricing, no-haggle price, etc.), I'm wondering what the salesman's role will be. We should be able to buy cars the way we buy groceries or clothes. >> b) Check out what Steeda's offering for the GT. IIRC, they have >> some pretty decent turnkey offerings that you can purchase from your [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > version of the Ford GT motor. That is what really attracts me to the > car. So the truth comes out! ;) >>>>>>> '03 Cobra Convt. (but I'll be tradin' up, I reckon) >>>>>> I had to chuckle at your remark in the parenthesis. Who would [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > So the truth comes out! ;) You know I'm a torque junky. How can I not be attracted to an engine with a 5.4Ls of displacement WITH a twin screw blower. :) >>>>>>>> '03 Cobra Convt. (but I'll be tradin' up, I reckon) >>>>>>> I had to chuckle at your remark in the parenthesis. Who would [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > You know I'm a torque junky. How can I not be attracted to an engine > with a 5.4Ls of displacement WITH a twin screw blower. :) LOL! Can't argue with you there. So do you have a dealer in mind yet? >>>>>>>>>'03 Cobra Convt. (but I'll be tradin' up, I reckon) >>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] > > LOL! Can't argue with you there. So do you have a dealer in mind yet? There are a few in the DC area that have SVT credentials. I also like the idea of flying somewhere, getting the car and driving it home. I think that would make for a great little vacation. :) <snip> >> LOL! Can't argue with you there. So do you have a dealer in mind yet? > > There are a few in the DC area that have SVT credentials. I also like > the idea of flying somewhere, getting the car and driving it home. I > think that would make for a great little vacation. :) True. But what happens if something breaks on the way home? > <snip> > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > True. But what happens if something breaks on the way home? It's a Ford, nothing will EVER break on it. 8-) > <snip> >>> LOL! Can't argue with you there. So do you have a dealer in mind [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > True. But what happens if something breaks on the way home? Hopefully there will be a Ford dealer nearby. It would probably be a good idea to know where they are along the return route. :) > Steeda, Saleen etc. make some potent versions of the Stang but they > don't offer the 5.4L which, IMO, is what really sets the GT500 apart > from the the garden variety GT's. It is essentially an iron block > version of the Ford GT motor. That is what really attracts me to the car. Me too. This car is the closest thing to GT that I am going to be able to get. The tuner cars while nice just don't have that attraction to them.
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