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Brake caliper bolts too tight

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Rich - 03 Oct 2005 03:52 GMT
To get off.  At least with a socket wrench.
I don't have an air tool, any suggestions?
-Rich
cprice@here.com - 03 Oct 2005 05:57 GMT
> To get off.  At least with a socket wrench.
> I don't have an air tool, any suggestions?
> -Rich

    1/2" breaker bar. Dont expect to remove them with a 3/8 ratchet. if you
cannot get them off with the breaker bar you might want to think about
going to the gym.
Rich - 04 Oct 2005 01:52 GMT
>> To get off.  At least with a socket wrench.
>> I don't have an air tool, any suggestions?
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>cannot get them off with the breaker bar you might want to think about
>going to the gym.

Thanks very much, that worked fine.
-Rich
cprice@here.com - 05 Oct 2005 03:23 GMT
>>>To get off.  At least with a socket wrench.
>>>I don't have an air tool, any suggestions?
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Thanks very much, that worked fine.
> -Rich

    The 1/2" breaker bar or the going to the gym part? :)
SVTKate - 03 Oct 2005 12:48 GMT
Eat your Wheaties?

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: To get off.  At least with a socket wrench.
: I don't have an air tool, any suggestions?
: -Rich
one80out@hotmail.com - 03 Oct 2005 19:39 GMT
Four possible tips:  Soak with Liquid Wrench or PB Blaster or the like.
Apply heat with a propane torch, to the bracket (the female threaded
part), NOT to the bolt.  Slip a pipe over the wrench handle for
additional leverage. Use lots of four letter words while applying force
to wrench.

180 Out
C - 03 Oct 2005 19:50 GMT
none@none.com (Rich) wrote in <j571k191k816g2i6gs53f6jj3a4ct5goj6@4ax.com>:

>To get off.  At least with a socket wrench.
>I don't have an air tool, any suggestions?
>-Rich

I just did a brake job and had the same problem.
Found that heating the caliper housing near the bolt with a torch -
propane.  A little heat and the bolt broke free with minimal effort.

Charlie
V6 - vert
RSCamaro - 03 Oct 2005 22:21 GMT
>To get off.  At least with a socket wrench.
>I don't have an air tool, any suggestions?
>-Rich

Use an old ratchet and a hammer and make your own impact wrench out of
it.  Tapping the wrench will break the locktite and you'll be able to
remove the bolts the rest of the way.  Craftsman ratches are just the
thing to use in these situations as they can be brought back for a no
questions replacement.  Don't want to use a hammer on your ratchet
then use a box end wrench and the same method, you may end up with a
dent or two on the wrench but it won't affect the way it works or harm
it.  Make sure to hold the wrench onto the bolt head so it doesn't go
flying away on you.

                    ...Ron
--
68' Camaro RS
88' Firebird Formula
00' Mustang GT Vert
Mike Lenker - 04 Oct 2005 03:43 GMT
FYI, Sears will now only repair your Craftsman ratchet or give you a
"rebuilt" one.  No more new replacements.  If they don't have one available
you gotta wait a few days until yours gets fixed.  Or you can cuss them out
and buy one somewhere else so you can get back to work like I did.  "Dude,
it's Sunday, I got parts all over my driveway, and you tell me I gotta wait
until Tueday MAYBE to get my "guaranteed" wrench?  *%#&$#@#~!!!"  Farging
bastages.

Now I don't buy tools at Sears anymore.

Their loss.

>>To get off.  At least with a socket wrench.
>>I don't have an air tool, any suggestions?
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> 88' Firebird Formula
> 00' Mustang GT Vert
Backyard Mechanic - 04 Oct 2005 11:13 GMT
Interesting!  Bash Craftsman because they quit replacing obviously abused
tools!

Or is it just me?

> FYI, Sears will now only repair your Craftsman ratchet or give you a
> "rebuilt" one.  No more new replacements.  If they don't have one
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>> the thing to use in these situations as they can be brought back for
>> a no questions replacement.  
one80out@hotmail.com - 04 Oct 2005 23:21 GMT
Backyard wrote:

> Interesting!  Bash Craftsman because they quit
> replacing obviously abused tools!

> Or is it just me?

It's definitely just you.  For decades Craftsman has  promoted tool
sales with this no questions asked return policy.  Unless they're
offering a buyback of all the tools they've sold in reliance on that
promise, it's a breach of contract for them ever to change it.  Just
another grain of sand in the continuing erosion of American industry
and corporate ethics.

Speaking of the geniuses that run corporate America, did anybody see
the September auto sales stories?  Not good for the home team, not good
at all.  Impending disaster, really.  Years of abandoning market
segments where the domestic product has to compete with imports, in
favor of the light truck/SUV market, is bearing it's inevitable fruit:
the total collapse of the domestic industry.

Here's one such story, from the LA Times:

GM, Ford sales fall; Asian cars sell well
SUVs falling out of favor as gas hits $3 a gallon

Roger Vincent, Los Angeles Times

Tuesday, October 4, 2005

Detroit -- Americans' passion for sport utility vehicles cooled in the
face of $3 per gallon gasoline last month, helping drag down September
sales for General Motors Corp. and Ford Motor Co. as their Asian
competitors enjoyed double-digit sales increases, the companies
reported Monday.

Sales declines of 24 percent at GM and 19 percent at Ford, compared
with September 2004, also were impelled by popular discount programs
that pulled many of this year's sales into mid-summer.

America's Big Three automakers offered sales incentives during the
summer that promised the same prices provided to company employees.
Sales shot up for about two months, but market observers predicted that
sales would slide after buyers were sated.

"They exhausted their customers and their inventories in July and
August," said auto analyst David Healy of Burnham Securities Inc. "This
is the hangover from the employee-discount pricing."

"Expect a very weak fourth quarter as well," said Steven Szakaly, an
economist at the Center for Automotive Research in Ann Arbor, Mich.

Perhaps more troubling for manufacturers was cooling interest last
month in the gas-loving SUVs that have been profit stalwarts.

Sales of the GMC Envoy and Chevrolet Tahoe fell more than 50 percent.
The Cadillac Escalade, Mazda Tribute, Ford Explorer, Ford Expedition,
Toyota Sequoia and Nissan Armada dropped 18 percent or more. The Dodge
Durango slipped 11 percent.

New SUV models on the horizon could improve the picture, Healy said,
but he predicted a long-term decline in sales of large SUVs.

The run-up in gasoline prices, compounded by recent hurricanes on the
Gulf Coast, hurts more than just SUV sales, said Szakaly. Higher fuel
costs also cut into families' disposable incomes, he said. "Consumers
are saying they are not going to keep spending at the rate they were
before gas prices went up," he said, adding that some probably will
delay buying new cars.

Standard & Poor's expressed similar concerns about rising gas prices
and falling auto sales Monday. The credit rating agency said it is
reviewing its debt ratings of GM and Ford for possible downgrading.
Lower ratings would make it more expensive for the auto makers to
borrow money, adding to the financial woes of the country's two largest
auto manufacturers.

GM spokeswoman Deborah Silverman predicted that October would be
another month of payback for hot summer sales, but that the declines
would be offset by the 6 percent increase in sales during the
four-month employee-discount program that ended Sept. 30. It reduced
inventory from 1.2 million vehicles to 800,000, about 300,000 less than
the company had this time a year ago.

GM will emphasize more transparent pricing in the months ahead, she
said, so that buyers who start their shopping on the Internet can more
accurately compare costs.

The company is experiencing strong sales in several new models
including the Hummer H3, Pontiac G6, Cadillac DTS and Chevrolet Impala
and HHR. The HHR is a so-called crossover combination of SUV and
passenger vehicle that uses a car chassis instead of a truck chassis.
Such vehicles are growing in popularity as buyers shy away from
full-size SUVs.

Rising gas prices didn't stop buyers of pickups, though. Sales of
DaimlerChrysler's Dodge Ram were up 5 percent for its best month ever,
and Toyota Motor Corp. saw sales of its Tacoma climb more than 21
percent.

DaimlerChrysler beat the other U.S. auto makers with a 4 percent
increase in overall sales, led by a 26 percent boost in car sales. The
Dodge Neon, which DaimlerChrysler stopped making two weeks ago, saw a
69 percent increase.

Nissan Motor Co. sales were up more than 16 percent and Toyota's
climbed 10 percent, both on increased auto sales. The hybrid Toyota
Prius jumped 90 percent. Honda Motor Co.'s sales rose 11.7 percent,
largely due to consumers' embrace of the redesigned 2006 Civic.

Hyundai Motor Co.'s sales rose 9 percent.
Brent P - 05 Oct 2005 05:23 GMT
> Speaking of the geniuses that run corporate America, did anybody see
> the September auto sales stories?  Not good for the home team, not good
> at all.  Impending disaster, really.  Years of abandoning market
> segments where the domestic product has to compete with imports, in
> favor of the light truck/SUV market, is bearing it's inevitable fruit:
> the total collapse of the domestic industry.

I will never be amazed with how corporate executives cannot see the
obvious coming again. It seems par for the course.
SVTKate - 04 Oct 2005 14:22 GMT
Well...
Now that Sears is K-Mart, it comes as no surprise.
Another good excuse to buy Snap On.

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Kate
2O|||||||O5 Liberty

: FYI, Sears will now only repair your Craftsman ratchet or give you a
: "rebuilt" one.  No more new replacements.  If they don't have one available
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
: > 88' Firebird Formula
: > 00' Mustang GT Vert
Brent P - 04 Oct 2005 17:27 GMT
> Well...
> Now that Sears is K-Mart, it comes as no surprise.
> Another good excuse to buy Snap On.

Good luck finding an open snap on store on sunday.

Maybe if you can wait a week and work somewhere the snap on guy calls on....


SVTKate - 04 Oct 2005 20:14 GMT
I'd be willing to bet that if it were Snap On, it wouldn't have broken in
the first place.

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Kate
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: > Well...
: > Now that Sears is K-Mart, it comes as no surprise.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
:
: Maybe if you can wait a week and work somewhere the snap on guy calls on....
Ritz - 05 Oct 2005 02:41 GMT
> I'd be willing to bet that if it were Snap On, it wouldn't have broken in
> the first place.

You obviously don't own Snap-On tools or use them professionally....
SVTKate - 05 Oct 2005 03:15 GMT
YOU obviously have your head up your a.s and have no idea what you are
talking about.

Kate
2O|||||||O5 Liberty

: > I'd be willing to bet that if it were Snap On, it wouldn't have broken in
: > the first place.
:
: You obviously don't own Snap-On tools or use them professionally....
Ritz - 05 Oct 2005 04:38 GMT
Oh please....spare me the indignation.  If you had any real contact with
 folks that actually USE these tools for a living, there is no way you
could make that comment.

Cheers,

> YOU obviously have your head up your a.s and have no idea what you are
> talking about.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> :
> : You obviously don't own Snap-On tools or use them professionally....
Ritz - 05 Oct 2005 02:40 GMT
>>Well...
>>Now that Sears is K-Mart, it comes as no surprise.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>  

F Snap-On.  I used to exclusively buy their tools, but after a while my
local dealer just disappeared.  So Snap-On sends in another guy who does
a song and dance about how he'll be Johnny-on-the-spot.  I have a box of
broken tools that I'd been saving for the next reappearance of the sales
guy and the new fellow basically says, "uh, we're only allowed to take
in X% on warranty exchanges."  So I tell him that I don't give a crap,
if I spend top dollar on Snap-On tools, I expect the warranty to be
honored.  So he replaces about 1/3 of the tools and says he'll be back
in a few days to take the rest...and never returns.  A few calls to
Snap-On corporate resulted in the run-around.

So now I just buy tools online and from Home Depot/Sears.  And according
to what I've heard, Sears is becoming more selective about taking in
broken tools too.

Cheers,
Brent P - 05 Oct 2005 05:15 GMT
> local dealer just disappeared.  So Snap-On sends in another guy who does
> a song and dance about how he'll be Johnny-on-the-spot.  I have a box of
> broken tools that I'd been saving for the next reappearance
<...>
> So now I just buy tools online and from Home Depot/Sears.  And according
> to what I've heard, Sears is becoming more selective about taking in
> broken tools too.

I have never worked anywhere a snap on guy comes around to. Thusly their
tools have been more or less unavailable too me. The few snap on tools I
have were my grandfather's and they are pretty much speciality type
things that won't get much use. (yes I know they started online sales
some years ago, tools just aren't something I buy online I
guess) So I've always gone to sears or other places for something in
particular. I don't like the way sears is headed. I had to have rachets
replaced a couple years back, they had other rachets available. I think
they may have been remans, like it was a water pump. The adjustable
wrench I broke they replaced. Same with a screw driver. Haven't busted or
wore out anything recently.
Big Al - 04 Oct 2005 17:35 GMT
> Well...
> Now that Sears is K-Mart, it comes as no surprise.
> Another good excuse to buy Snap On.

My tools are Snap-On. Their guaranty sucks. They will never see another
dollar of my money. But they already have over $3,000:) One of my fine
Snap-On tools is a 30 inch long 1/2" breaker bar. It's made out of a new
type of steel, must be 50% rubber. Broke the pin that the end is held on
with and they charged me to replace it. All my 3/8 ratchets slip and trying
to get them to replace them is torture. At least if you buy tools at Harbor
Freight you expect them to be junk AND they are cheap. Snap-On is in the
finance business, pay by the week like a "rip off" used car lot.

Al
SVTKate - 04 Oct 2005 20:16 GMT
Funny, you are the only person I have ever heard with a problem like that
and I have been around shops a long time.

Waiting a week to see the jobber IS a pain though, I can agree with Brent on
that one.
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Kate
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: > Well...
: > Now that Sears is K-Mart, it comes as no surprise.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
:
: Al
RSCamaro - 04 Oct 2005 22:52 GMT
>Funny, you are the only person I have ever heard with a problem like that
>and I have been around shops a long time.
>
>Waiting a week to see the jobber IS a pain though, I can agree with Brent on
>that one.

I don't think that he's the only person that has had trouble with
SnapOn, Mac, and others tool truck purchases.  When I worked in a
machine shop I'd regularly break tools from the above companies and it
can be a hassle to get replacements.  The biggest excuse was always I
don't have that (insert tool here) in a single and I'm not breaking
that set, wait until next week.  

Have you seen the blue titanium coated ratchets that Craftsman is
peddling lately.  Very too posh, and almost too pretty to use by the
looks of them.

                   ...Ron
--
68' Camaro RS
88' Firebird Formula
00' Mustang GT Vert
SVTKate - 05 Oct 2005 03:21 GMT
: >Funny, you are the only person I have ever heard with a problem like that
: >and I have been around shops a long time.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
: don't have that (insert tool here) in a single and I'm not breaking
: that set, wait until next week.

Well, the guy that used to call on our shop and that my husband dealt with
was something special then because he was always right on the spot and if
you needed something he would make a detour on his route to get it to you.

I suppose that jobbers are like any other customer service rep. Some are
good, some bad.

: Have you seen the blue titanium coated ratchets that Craftsman is
: peddling lately.  Very too posh, and almost too pretty to use by the
: looks of them.

Nope, there are four too chests in the shop now full, surely there isn't a
spot to put another thing.
Do you think that that big lettering that they are putting on the Craftsman
tools nowadays will rub off?

And for the record. Hub's tools are all Snap On. My two chests are nearly
all Craftsman. I'm just the girl and all that.
They all seem to work fine, but his have done some serious work for many
years he is a 30 year, professional, heavy duty mechanic.

Kate
Ritz - 05 Oct 2005 02:42 GMT
> Funny, you are the only person I have ever heard with a problem like that
> and I have been around shops a long time.
>
> Waiting a week to see the jobber IS a pain though, I can agree with Brent on
> that one.

You must be joking.  This is a *common* problem.  Talk to more mechanics
and you'll see.

Cheers,
SVTKate - 05 Oct 2005 03:21 GMT
Look, get off my a.s dillweed.

Kate
2O|||||||O5 Liberty

: > Funny, you are the only person I have ever heard with a problem like that
: > and I have been around shops a long time.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
:
: Cheers,
Ritz - 05 Oct 2005 04:40 GMT
Dillweed?  Is that the best you can do?  Your high school English
teacher must be so proud....

*shrug*

> Look, get off my a.s dillweed.
>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> :
> : Cheers,
SVTKate - 05 Oct 2005 13:09 GMT
: Dillweed?  Is that the best you can do?  Your high school English
: teacher must be so proud....
:
: *shrug*

I will not try to justify my posts by offering up a history of my life's
experience nor will I be goaded into playing your game.
Ritz - 05 Oct 2005 13:40 GMT
> : Dillweed?  Is that the best you can do?  Your high school English
> : teacher must be so proud....
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> I will not try to justify my posts by offering up a history of my life's
> experience nor will I be goaded into playing your game

I'm not goading you.  I simply don't think your comment was accurate.
You responded with 2 rather childish "insults" (if you can even call
them that) rather than try to refute what I said.  And when called on
that, you offer the above missive.  So let's see if I can get this
straight...your response to me saying you're wrong was:

1.  Call me names.  (cute)
2.  Refuse to elaborate on why you think you're right.

So I hope you'll pardon my lack of confidence in any future postings
from you.

Have a nice day.
SVTKate - 05 Oct 2005 20:35 GMT
: > : Dillweed?  Is that the best you can do?  Your high school English
: > : teacher must be so proud....
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
:
: Have a nice day.

I have, thank you. It has been quite a nice day.
Ritz - 06 Oct 2005 00:13 GMT
 : I'm not goading you.  I simply don't think your comment was accurate.
> : You responded with 2 rather childish "insults" (if you can even call
> : them that) rather than try to refute what I said.  And when called on
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> I have, thank you. It has been quite a nice day.

Of course, it's your perogative to duck the question.  That speaks
volumes.  I'll not mention it again.

*shrug*

Nice day here in CT too.

Cheers,
Brent P - 04 Oct 2005 17:25 GMT
> FYI, Sears will now only repair your Craftsman ratchet or give you a
> "rebuilt" one.  No more new replacements.  If they don't have one available
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> until Tueday MAYBE to get my "guaranteed" wrench?  *%#&$#@#~!!!"  Farging
> bastages.

You only own one ratchet?  *boggle*
Backyard Mechanic - 04 Oct 2005 11:18 GMT
Rich <none@none.com> wrote in news:j571k191k816g2i6gs53f6jj3a4ct5goj6@
4ax.com:

> To get off.  At least with a socket wrench.
> I don't have an air tool, any suggestions?
> -Rich

For the future.. as you did it this time..

If the bolts resist additional leverage, several sharp raps with a hammer
on the frame it's bolted into and the top of the bolt usually breaks enough
of the "molecular knot" that the bolt will come loose.
 
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