> I received this response from the Can. Gov't regarding ethanol.
> Interesting thing is, I can see the over-production of corn in
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> gervaisma@agr.gc.ca
If it would deplete the soil, don't you think we would run out of food
by now ? I think (but I'm no farmer) that there are many ways to keep
the soil producing by alternating types of crop, using fertilizers,
etc.
I've always wondered what that number was. It still seems too low as a
substitute for oil. I wonder how much farm land it would take to
replace ALL oil generated today by growing alternatives ?
>> I received this response from the Can. Gov't regarding ethanol.
>> Interesting thing is, I can see the over-production of corn in
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>charged with promoting Agribusiness. As the USDA.gov website says,
>"USDA remains committed to helping America's farmers and ranchers."
Ritz - 08 Oct 2005 23:10 GMT
Ethanol is a pretty poor solution, but biodiesel would be rather easy to
implement, requires zero modifications to existing diesel engines, burns
cleaner than "real" diesel and is *almost* cost effective now. One of
the benefits is that fuel spills become biodegradable. One of the
drawbacks is that you can't use pure biodiesel in cold winters as it
becomes too thick.
Cheers,
> If it would deplete the soil, don't you think we would run out of food
> by now ? I think (but I'm no farmer) that there are many ways to keep
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>>>Interesting thing is, I can see the over-production of corn in
>>>set fields depleting the soil if asked to be a substitute for oil.
RT - 11 Oct 2005 01:30 GMT
>Ethanol is a pretty poor solution, but biodiesel would be rather easy to
>implement, requires zero modifications to existing diesel engines, burns
>cleaner than "real" diesel and is *almost* cost effective now. One of
>the benefits is that fuel spills become biodegradable. One of the
>drawbacks is that you can't use pure biodiesel in cold winters as it
>becomes too thick.
But isn't the highest rating of biodiesel still 'only' 20% ???
(meaning 20% is biodiesel, 80% is regular diesel)
Ritz - 11 Oct 2005 03:02 GMT
>>Ethanol is a pretty poor solution, but biodiesel would be rather easy to
>>implement, requires zero modifications to existing diesel engines, burns
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> But isn't the highest rating of biodiesel still 'only' 20% ???
> (meaning 20% is biodiesel, 80% is regular diesel)
I don't know. It's not available in my area. But given a temperate
climate, you can burn 100% biodiesel in any diesel engine without
modifications to the engine.
Bob Willard - 08 Oct 2005 23:22 GMT
> If it would deplete the soil, don't you think we would run out of food
> by now ? I think (but I'm no farmer) that there are many ways to keep
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> substitute for oil. I wonder how much farm land it would take to
> replace ALL oil generated today by growing alternatives ?
Consider these two alternatives:
1. Turn PetroOil into gas.
2. Turn PetroOil into fertilizer, turn fertilizer into corn, turn corn
into CornOil, turn CornOil into Ethanol, mix Ethanol with normal gas.
While (2) is emotionally appealing to some, (1) is cheaper unless massive
government handouts counterbalance the real costs. Indeed, federal (and,
in some cases, state) subsidies are used to make Ethanol/gas mixtures
appear at the pumps. Meanwhile, elected (and appointed) officials brag about
this great way of spending your tax $s. Arrrgh.
Ethanol may make economic sense someday, but certainly not today.

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Cheers, Bob
dwight - 08 Oct 2005 23:48 GMT
> If it would deplete the soil, don't you think we would run out of food
> by now ? I think (but I'm no farmer) that there are many ways to keep
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> substitute for oil. I wonder how much farm land it would take to
> replace ALL oil generated today by growing alternatives ?
And, while we could handle a lot of the production during the summer months,
we'd be making millionaires in the southern hemisphere during the winter.
Winter corn... I should invest in some property in Argentina...
dwight
Rich - 09 Oct 2005 18:38 GMT
>If it would deplete the soil, don't you think we would run out of food
>by now ? I think (but I'm no farmer) that there are many ways to keep
>the soil producing by alternating types of crop, using fertilizers,
>etc.
But they only need corn. They'll have to let the fields go fallow
for some period of time. But it could be interesting. A bad harvest
could see price spikes just like oil! Except this time we'll
(Americans) be looking at $5-$7/gal instead of $2.50-$3.50.
-Rich