How to spend $15,850 on a new engine and run 13.9's

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one80out@hotmail.com - 27 Oct 2005 16:51 GMT

First, you start with a Honda Civic Si. Swap in a 2.4 liter block from
an Acura TSX ($2,000; includes 6-spd trans). Add an Acura RSX head CNC
ported by Skunk2 Racing ($2,400), a Hondata ECU flash ($995), Skunk2
cams ($850 (???!!!)), Cunningham connecting rods ($800 -- $200
apiece!), Wiseco forged pistons ($500 -- $125 apiece), RC Engineering
injectors ($450 -- $112.50 apiece), forged valves ($380), titanium
retainers ($150), Skunk2 header ($520) and Megapower exhaust ($490).
Fart can extra? I don't know. Also $4,900 labor from Skunk2 and
you've got a claimed $315 hp @ 7800.

No wonder the rice boys have to wear their big brothers' clothes: no
money left after shelling out prices like these.

These numbers are from the November Car & Driver rice burner tuner
face-off. I'm picking on the Skunk2 car because it's the only one that
had the breakdown for all the goodies. Note too that this itemized
list falls short $1,415 of the $15,850 total in engine upgrades that
C&D reported. The complete car was $53,199 as tested -- C6 Corvette
territory! All that money to run a best 13.9 @ 104, and 5.4 sec 0-60.

The others were just as bad, price wise. $39,184 as-tested for a 14.3
sec Si; $50,756 for a 14.5 sec Mini; $59,724 for a 13.9 sec Si; and
$43,153 for a 13.4 sec Neon.

The Neon builders, Howell Automotive, even clams that their "primary
clientele tends toward drag racing." Considering that Howell's turbo
2.4 package costs $15,404, someone please tell these riceboys that
$15,000 in engine upgrades is A LOT of money to spend to go 13.4's.
What is the deal, anyway? "I wanna go drag racing, I've got $15,000
for the motor . . . yeah, low 13's sound about right." Jeeze. Kids
these days.

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John - 27 Oct 2005 17:13 GMT

> First, you start with a Honda Civic Si. Swap in a 2.4 liter block from
> an Acura TSX ($2,000; includes 6-spd trans). Add an Acura RSX head CNC
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> for the motor . . . yeah, low 13's sound about right." Jeeze. Kids
> these days.

Just think what would happen if you went to a junk yard, picked up a 460 big
block for about a grand, and put the rest of the $15,850 into that! Cram
that into an old able bodied Mustang or Camero, and, automagically, you'd
easily get sub 10's. Way under! Definitely in the 9's, with a long shot at
high 8's?

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ZombyWoof - 27 Oct 2005 18:09 GMT

>> First, you start with a Honda Civic Si. Swap in a 2.4 liter block from
>> an Acura TSX ($2,000; includes 6-spd trans). Add an Acura RSX head CNC
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>easily get sub 10's. Way under! Definitely in the 9's, with a long shot at
>high 8's?

Yeah but you don't get that nice slot car feel.

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Spike - 27 Oct 2005 18:56 GMT

>Yeah but you don't get that nice slot car feel.

HO or 1/24th scale? and with or without the hand controller: 0 )

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trainfan1 - 27 Oct 2005 20:20 GMT

>>Yeah but you don't get that nice slot car feel.
>
> HO or 1/24th scale? and with or without the hand controller: 0 )

Magnets or no?

Rob

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Spike - 27 Oct 2005 22:20 GMT

>>>Yeah but you don't get that nice slot car feel.
>>
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>
>Rob

I rather anti-magnet because it gives an unfair advantage.... beside..
it takes away the risk... that living on the edge feeling when you
spend 1000 hours building the perfect car only to see it leave the
track and explode... : 0 ) What a fad that was. Sadly, like drive-in
theaters, another one pretty much bit the dust... : ( Although we now
have a local track area with a variety of track types, GP, oval, Moto,
for gas powered remotes...

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John - 27 Oct 2005 22:48 GMT

>>> First, you start with a Honda Civic Si. Swap in a 2.4 liter block from
>>> an Acura TSX ($2,000; includes 6-spd trans). Add an Acura RSX head CNC
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> Yeah but you don't get that nice slot car feel.

Oh man, I about lost my dinner laughing at this one! Well done ZW!

Along the same lines, you don't get that fart can sound either!

Hmmmm, yours was better!

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one80out@hotmail.com - 27 Oct 2005 23:06 GMT

> ZW wrote:

>>>Just think what would happen if you went to a junk yard, picked up a 460
>>>big
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>>>at
>>>high 8's?

>> Yeah but you don't get that nice slot car feel.

> Oh man, I about lost my dinner laughing at this one! Well done ZW!

> Along the same lines, you don't get that fart can sound either!

> Hmmmm, yours was better!

Without even leaving the house, pick up the phone and whip out the
plastic and within a week have on your front porch (or drop shipped
anyway)

A 514 ci/625 hp FRRP 385 series ($8000 at Jegs):
http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=10002&st
oreId=10001&categoryId=29281&parentCategoryId=10763&langId=-1

A 460 ci/575 hp World Products Windsor ($11,000 at Jegs):
http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=10002&st
oreId=10001&categoryId=28637&parentCategoryId=10763&langId=-1

A 572 ci/720 hp GM Performance Parts Rat ($14,000 at Jegs):
http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=10002&st
oreId=10001&categoryId=25181&parentCategoryId=10763&langId=-1

Or a 632 ci/800 hp World Products ($17,000 at Jegs):
http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=10002&st
oreId=10001&categoryId=28641&parentCategoryId=10763&langId=-1

"All motor," as the riceboys say.

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Big Al - 28 Oct 2005 05:04 GMT

>> ZW wrote:
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> 180 Out

You can buy my high 8 second 155 MPH Camaro turn key for $17,000 right now.
Has new belts and is ready to race.

Al

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ZombyWoof - 28 Oct 2005 06:41 GMT

>>>> First, you start with a Honda Civic Si. Swap in a 2.4 liter block from
>>>> an Acura TSX ($2,000; includes 6-spd trans). Add an Acura RSX head CNC
[quoted text clipped - 43 lines]
>
>Hmmmm, yours was better!

Brpppppppppppppppt, Shift, Brpppppppppppppt, shift then pop goes the
ricer.

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Spike - 27 Oct 2005 18:54 GMT

>First, you start with a Honda Civic Si. Swap in a 2.4 liter block from
>an Acura TSX ($2,000; includes 6-spd trans). Add an Acura RSX head CNC
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>180 Out

Got to wonder where they get all that money... for the car and all the
upgrades, and expensive clothes and jewelry they wear, and all the
partying they do, and all the repairs they require, 'cause, at least
around here, they're forever crashing and/or burning up parts of those
things.... Is McDucks paying that much now?

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Rich - 27 Oct 2005 23:57 GMT

>First, you start with a Honda Civic Si. Swap in a 2.4 liter block from
>an Acura TSX ($2,000; includes 6-spd trans). Add an Acura RSX head CNC
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>180 Out

Cousin of a friend just dropped a crate Hemi into his 1970 Challenger
RT. Cost about the same. Much more desirable car.
-Rich

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John - 28 Oct 2005 00:44 GMT

>>First, you start with a Honda Civic Si. Swap in a 2.4 liter block from
>>an Acura TSX ($2,000; includes 6-spd trans). Add an Acura RSX head CNC
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
> Cousin of a friend just dropped a crate Hemi into his 1970 Challenger
> RT. Cost about the same. Much more desirable car.

Oh yeah! MUCH more desirable. I liked the '70 Cuda too! A friend got one
in 1975, the year we graduated H.S. He was a farm boy and he built the
engine himself. Said it wasn't much different than one of the tractors.
Those need torque too! Last day of school, the last bell rang, we went to
his car, popped the trunk, got out the chlorox, and he burns off his tires
several times. Then, we spot him! Chopper, the vice-principal. I jump in,
Johnnie pulls out into the drive, stops where Chopper is headed, wait, wait,
wait, when he's within 30 feet or so, Johnnie revs it to about 3500 RPM,
drops the clutch and hammer, and he smokes old Chopper til he's coughing!
At graduation the next night, he just smiled at us! I think he was envious!

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Dan - 28 Oct 2005 17:20 GMT

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> $43,153 for a 13.4 sec Neon.
>
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> for the motor . . . yeah, low 13's sound about right." Jeeze. Kids
> these days.

I'm not a fan of Neon but I'll call BS on these guys. There about a
dozen hotted up SRT-4's in my town that are as fast or faster than my
car (Kenne Bell fed 2003 Cobra). They all bought a Neon at around $20k
*brand new* and a few are knocking on the 11's at a track 5300 ft above
sea level. They are mid to low 14's here stock, mid 13's with less than
a grand in mods, and low 12's for less than $3k.

So, around here, it's around $21k to $22k for a mid 13 Neon. Which
ain't bad at all.

Dan
2003 Cobra convertible
With some stuff and things

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