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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Mustang / February 2006

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93 2.3L issues

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Gerry Pierce - 18 Jan 2006 10:37 GMT
Put new plugs in the day before yesterday.  Got done, car ran good for about
15-20 miles. Stopped for a minute to wait on my son, when I restarted, the
idle was very rough. When you step on the gas, it is very sluggish and
rough, then smooths out as the rpms climb above 1500. I went back, replaced
all plug wires (the ones that were in there looked original (had a date on
them of 1993) and put all new plugs in again. I still get the same
indications.  I checked for loose vacuum lines and connections, only one was
vacuum on the EGR valve. I trimmed the end, it is now tight and I can see
the egr valve diaphram moving open and closed through the little openings in
it. It idles in park ok (not as smooth as before) but once in drive, it is
rough.

Also, maybe related, maybe not. Auto tranny seems sluggish to down shift
beyond the first time (step on the gas, it does down 1 gear, but WOT doesn't
get any more down shifts.

I am at a loss on where to go now. Car ran good up to the point that I shut
it off that time. I am a little short on funds, so I would rather not take
it into the dealer yet. Any ideas on what to try?

Second question, what are the indications of a bad/going bad catalytic
convertor?

Thanks for any help....

Gerry
Backyard Mechanic - 18 Jan 2006 15:33 GMT
> Put new plugs in the day before yesterday.  Got done, car ran good for
> about 15-20 miles. Stopped for a minute to wait on my son, when I
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> Second question, what are the indications of a bad/going bad catalytic
> convertor?

First get the codes read out.

Is Check engine on?

Second.... the age of car and symptoms point to possible bad Throttle
Position Sensor...that's a stab at it, of course

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Backyard Mechanic - 18 Jan 2006 15:40 GMT
>> Put new plugs in the day before yesterday.  Got done, car ran good for
>> about 15-20 miles. Stopped for a minute to wait on my son, when I
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> Second.... the age of car and symptoms point to possible bad Throttle
> Position Sensor...that's a stab at it, of course

Also.. smell for gas in exhaust... also indications of leaky Fuel press
regulator

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Gerry Pierce - 18 Jan 2006 18:55 GMT
>> Put new plugs in the day before yesterday.  Got done, car ran good for
>> about 15-20 miles. Stopped for a minute to wait on my son, when I
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> Second.... the age of car and symptoms point to possible bad Throttle
> Position Sensor...that's a stab at it, of course

No check engine light. No smell of gas in the exhaust (re your next post).
Will look up the TPS and see what I can find out, although I wont know what
to do to check it out.  May end up taking it in to get codes read.... will
just have to bite the bullet and pay for the diagnostic fee.

Thanks for the input, I really appreciate it.

Gerry
CCTGENE - 18 Jan 2006 22:51 GMT
>>> Put new plugs in the day before yesterday.  Got done, car ran good for
>>> about 15-20 miles. Stopped for a minute to wait on my son, when I
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>the EGR diaphragm moving doesn't mean that the valve is closing all the
>way. I would pull the valve and check it out.
Gerry Pierce - 20 Jan 2006 03:07 GMT
>>>> Put new plugs in the day before yesterday.  Got done, car ran good for
>>>> about 15-20 miles. Stopped for a minute to wait on my son, when I
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>>you see the EGR diaphragm moving doesn't mean that the valve is closing
>>all the way. I would pull the valve and check it out.

Thanks.  When I pull it, what am I looking for? I pulled the sensor off the
end of it and looked inside, but all I can see is what looks like a diapram
and a spring.

Gerry
CCTGENE - 20 Jan 2006 13:26 GMT
>>>>> Put new plugs in the day before yesterday.  Got done, car ran good for
>>>>> about 15-20 miles. Stopped for a minute to wait on my son, when I
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>
> Gerry

I don't know what specific EGR type you have on your car but I think in
principal there all the same. A vacuum is applied and the valve opens remove
the vacuum and the valve closes. What happens is the inside of the valve
gets coated with carbon and the pintle sticks or no longer seats completely.
A simple test you can do is simply blow through it. You'll have to look at
it to see where the exhaust enters and where it exits when the valve is
open. If you can blow air through it without any vacuum applied then it's
leaking. Oh, by the way when you do this your going to get a dirty mouth!
android32 - 14 Feb 2006 06:33 GMT
go to the library and look it up in chiltons or haynes copy relevant pages
 
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