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rander3127@gmail.com - 31 Jan 2006 17:01 GMT NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) - A Michigan environmental group is charging that at least part of the so-called "new car smell" is toxic, and that the interior of an automobile has dangerous levels of various chemicals.
The report, "Toxic at any speed," comes from The Ecology Center, an Ann Arbor, Mich.-based group. It reports that PBDEs, used as fire retardants, and phthalates, used primarily to soften PVC plastics, are found in dangerous amounts in dust and windshield film samples.
It called for tougher regulations to phase out the use of the chemicals as well as voluntary moves by the auto manufacturers to stop using the products inside of new vehicles.
It also suggested that car owners take steps to reduce the release and breakdown of these chemicals by using solar reflectors, ventilating car interiors, and parking outside of sunlight whenever possible.
The group says that phthalates are partly responsible for the smell associated with new cars.
Drivers and passengers are exposed to these chemicals through inhalation and contact with dust, according to the group's report.
"These groups of chemicals have been linked to birth defects, impaired learning, liver toxicity, premature births and early puberty in laboratory animals, among other serious health problems," according to the report.
"We can no longer rely just on seatbelts and airbags to keep us safe in cars," said a statement from Jeff Gearhart, the Ecology Center's Clean Car Campaign Director who co-authored the report. "Our research shows that autos are chemical reactors, releasing toxins before we even turn on the ignition. There are safer alternatives to these chemicals, and innovative companies that develop them first will likely be rewarded by consumers."
The group found Volvo was found to have the lowest levels of phthalates and the second-lowest levels of PBDEs, which it said made the Ford Motor Co. (Research)-owned unit the industry leader in terms of indoor air quality. Volvo also has the toughest policies for phasing out these chemicals.
Other auto manufacturers had more mixed records on the two types of chemicals, according to the group's survey. For example, Korean auto manufacturer Hyundai had the lowest level of PBDEs, but the highest level of phthalates.
The group said it was told by Ford officials that the auto manufacturer has eliminated PBDEs from "interior components that customers may come into contact with." Ford had among the lowest level of PBDEs in its vehicles, and General Motors (Research) and BMW vehicles also had lower-than-average levels for all chemicals tested. But Mercedes, Chrysler, Toyota and Subaru had higher-than-average levels of both PBDEs and phthalates.
In response to the study, one industry group defended the use of PBDEs as an important contributor to vehicle safety.
The Bromine Science and Environmental Forum said in a statement that PBDEs known as Deca-BDE have been extensively studied in the U.S. and Europe -- including a 10-year-long risk assessment -- and found to be safe for continued use.
"If automobile manufacturers follow the guidance in the report, it could result in lowering fire safety for the public, as well as promoting the use of unidentified alternative substances about which very little may be known," said the group's statement. It said it is crucial that autos have the best possible flame retardants available in case of accidents.
"In 2004 alone, there were approximately 297,000 car fires in the United States, leading to 550 deaths. If effective flame retardants were not used, this number would certainly be higher," the group's statement said.
Auto manufacturers have already agreed to phase out two of the three flame-retardant chemicals cited in the report, Eron Shosteck, a spokesman for the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers, told the Detroit News. The remaining chemical has been studied by the European Union for 10 years and has been proven safe, Shosteck said.
The report was released Jan. 11 during the North American International Auto Show in Detroit, but it received little attention outside of Michigan.
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Michael Johnson, PE - 31 Jan 2006 17:21 GMT He's trying to sneak in under another ID. Fortunately, it's not too hard to spot him by his lack of creative thought. One more entry into my kill file for Mr. Anderson.
rander3127@gmail.com - 31 Jan 2006 22:02 GMT Boo hoo, sod buster.
Michael Johnson, PE - 03 Feb 2006 03:44 GMT > Boo hoo, sod buster. foad
Backyard Mechanic - 31 Jan 2006 20:30 GMT > The report was released Jan. 11 during the North American International > Auto Show in Detroit, but it received little attention outside of > Michigan. I hate the overuse of the "F" bomb.
As a geezer with some pretty good moments to remember, and hopefully more to come, I think it should be used sparingly... in moments of passion and in private...
However, I'll call this 'passion'... Fcuk THEM.. and Fcuk YOU, Rich!!!
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Backyard Mechanic - 31 Jan 2006 20:32 GMT And... With a rusty clobbered up lead paint and asbestos scraper!
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Ironrod - 01 Feb 2006 06:42 GMT Not that moron who went by HURCAST, is it.
> And... > With a rusty clobbered up lead paint and asbestos scraper! Jim Warman - 04 Feb 2006 20:41 GMT AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!
He said "it".... the scoundrel said "it"... The sky is falling... the SKY is falling..... beetlejuicebeetlejuicebeetlejuice...
> Not that moron who went by HURCAST, is it. > >> And... >> With a rusty clobbered up lead paint and asbestos scraper! cprice@here.com - 04 Feb 2006 22:20 GMT Shut up Warman. You're such an asshat.
> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!! > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >>>And... >>>With a rusty clobbered up lead paint and asbestos scraper! Jim Warman - 04 Feb 2006 23:31 GMT At least I'm not a tedious little boor, totally devoid of any conscious thought. My keyboard appears to have many more letters than yours and has combined them in all manner of incantations, many of them, quite unlike yours, offer sage advice.
Many of us would dearly love to see things from your point of view but, sadly, we can't get our heads up our a.ses...
Nice to see you are still up and about, though..
asshat... how erudite.
cprice@here.com - 05 Feb 2006 07:48 GMT Thems big words for someone who has spent his whole life as a ford repair jockey. Maybe you should run for the local KKK chairman.
> At least I'm not a tedious little boor, totally devoid of any conscious > thought. My keyboard appears to have many more letters than yours and has [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > asshat... how erudite. WindsorFox - 05 Feb 2006 18:21 GMT > Thems big words for someone who has spent his whole life as a ford > repair jockey. Maybe you should run for the local KKK chairman. They say even the best troll can not keep up multiple identities for more than eight to 16 months without exhibiting "personality bleed." That is becoming obviously true, I did not expect it to happen quite this soon though.
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Jim Warman - 05 Feb 2006 18:54 GMT Actually, he has taken to PMs, now.... Oh, gosh... now my day - no, my LIFE is ruined... how can I ever function knowing my e-mail filter is battling such upsetting content.... of course, I can always find comfort knowing that is private missives will join penis enlargers, human growth hormone, the latest inside stock tip and get rich quick in that great void where all the single missing socks from the dryer go...
I do need a little help, though.... I'm trying to find any logical or natural progression from "new car smell" to "racism"... Freud would love this bimbo...
Spike - 05 Feb 2006 21:29 GMT >Actually, he has taken to PMs, now.... Oh, gosh... now my day - no, my LIFE >is ruined... how can I ever function knowing my e-mail filter is battling [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >natural progression from "new car smell" to "racism"... Freud would love >this bimbo... new car smell --> compared to fart smell --> related to food --> influenced by mother's cooking--> leading to guilt association for having sexual thoughts about his mother -- Spike 1965 Ford Mustang Fastback 2+2, Vintage Burgundy w/Black Std Interior, A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok; Vintage 40 16" rims w/225/50ZR16 KDWS BF Goodrich gForce Radial T/As, Cobra drop; surround sound audio-video... See my ride at.... Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/003_May_21_3004.jpg Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/005_May_21_2004.jpg Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/davescar_7_11_05_002.jpg Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/Engine_rebuild_006.jpg
Jim Warman - 05 Feb 2006 22:21 GMT We still need to make that "leap" from his mothers sexuality to racism..... I had initially thought that it may have something to do with Chef Boyardee but realized the KKK would care too much about nondescript European names as long as they were light coloured nondescript European names..... Perhaps it might involve Aunt Jemima??? In a three-some????
Gawd... there's a mental picture I didn't need....
Spike - 06 Feb 2006 00:47 GMT >We still need to make that "leap" from his mothers sexuality to racism..... >I had initially thought that it may have something to do with Chef Boyardee [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Gawd... there's a mental picture I didn't need.... mother was a gay black oriental female with a Spanish surname? -- Spike 1965 Ford Mustang Fastback 2+2, Vintage Burgundy w/Black Std Interior, A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok; Vintage 40 16" rims w/225/50ZR16 KDWS BF Goodrich gForce Radial T/As, Cobra drop; surround sound audio-video... See my ride at.... Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/003_May_21_3004.jpg Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/005_May_21_2004.jpg Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/davescar_7_11_05_002.jpg Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/Engine_rebuild_006.jpg
KJ.Kate - 09 Feb 2006 01:17 GMT : We still need to make that "leap" from his mothers sexuality to racism..... : I had initially thought that it may have something to do with Chef Boyardee [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] : : Gawd... there's a mental picture I didn't need.... You will NEVER look at pancakes the same way again Jim From this day forward you will see Auntie Jemima and laugh so hard that milk will go out your nose!
KJK
WindsorFox - 05 Feb 2006 21:34 GMT > Actually, he has taken to PMs, now.... Oh, gosh... now my day - no, my LIFE > is ruined... how can I ever function knowing my e-mail filter is battling [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > natural progression from "new car smell" to "racism"... Freud would love > this bimbo... Keep in mind that AUPs for email are far more readily enforced than they are for Usenet.
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Jim Warman - 05 Feb 2006 22:27 GMT If his behaviour was upsetting, I might consider opening up his header..... as it is, I feel a certain amount of pity for this poor misbegotten soul and firmly believe he could still become a functioning, productive member of society....
As I recall, he started dwelling on my existence about the time I passed remarks on someones boastful comments regarding street racing. Apparently, me still breathing is more upsetting to him than his messages are to me.
Spike - 06 Feb 2006 00:48 GMT >If his behaviour was upsetting, I might consider opening up his header..... >as it is, I feel a certain amount of pity for this poor misbegotten soul and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >remarks on someones boastful comments regarding street racing. Apparently, >me still breathing is more upsetting to him than his messages are to me. with the right medication and dosage, perhaps..... OR the earth always needs fertilizer for refreshing itself.... -- Spike 1965 Ford Mustang Fastback 2+2, Vintage Burgundy w/Black Std Interior, A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok; Vintage 40 16" rims w/225/50ZR16 KDWS BF Goodrich gForce Radial T/As, Cobra drop; surround sound audio-video... See my ride at.... Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/003_May_21_3004.jpg Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/005_May_21_2004.jpg Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/davescar_7_11_05_002.jpg Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/Engine_rebuild_006.jpg
Wound Up - 05 Feb 2006 20:29 GMT >> Thems big words for someone who has spent his whole life as a ford >> repair jockey. Maybe you should run for the local KKK chairman. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > That is becoming obviously true, I did not expect it to happen quite > this soon though. The quality of trolls has indeed greatly decreased as of late...
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Spike - 05 Feb 2006 21:32 GMT > Thems big words for someone who has spent his whole life as a ford >repair jockey. Maybe you should run for the local KKK chairman. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> >> asshat... how erudite. He who is flogged by usnet subscribers and continues to post as a troll... is a masochist. -- Spike 1965 Ford Mustang Fastback 2+2, Vintage Burgundy w/Black Std Interior, A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok; Vintage 40 16" rims w/225/50ZR16 KDWS BF Goodrich gForce Radial T/As, Cobra drop; surround sound audio-video... See my ride at.... Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/003_May_21_3004.jpg Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/005_May_21_2004.jpg Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/davescar_7_11_05_002.jpg Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/Engine_rebuild_006.jpg
KJ.Kate - 09 Feb 2006 01:20 GMT : He who is flogged by usnet subscribers and continues to post as a : troll... is a masochist. : -- Does that make those who are doing the verbal flogging Sadists ??
Hmmmmmmm I dunno about you Spike.
Oh, now that I think of it, I believe it was this line of thinking that got you the nick...
*snikker*
KJK
Spike - 09 Feb 2006 04:54 GMT >: He who is flogged by usnet subscribers and continues to post as a >: troll... is a masochist. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >KJK hahahahahahaha -- Spike 1965 Ford Mustang Fastback 2+2, Vintage Burgundy w/Black Std Interior, A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok; Vintage 40 16" rims w/225/50ZR16 KDWS BF Goodrich gForce Radial T/As, Cobra drop; surround sound audio-video... See my ride at.... Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/003_May_21_3004.jpg Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/005_May_21_2004.jpg Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/davescar_7_11_05_002.jpg Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/Engine_rebuild_006.jpg
WindsorFox - 05 Feb 2006 18:14 GMT > At least I'm not a tedious little boor, totally devoid of any conscious > thought. My keyboard appears to have many more letters than yours and has [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > asshat... how erudite. Incantations???
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Jim Warman - 05 Feb 2006 18:55 GMT I thought the term added a rather nice touch... that je' ne ce quois....
Wound Up - 05 Feb 2006 20:24 GMT > I thought the term added a rather nice touch... that je' ne ce quois.... Qu'est-ce que c'est? Je n'ai pas bien compris.
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Jim Warman - 05 Feb 2006 22:33 GMT Ummm... je ne c'est quois.... ooooohhhhh, I don't know. We lived in Montreal in '66/'67... just because I was trying to learn how to speak (and only so I could meet more girls) it doesn't mean I was trying to learn how to spell it 8^)
Oh, I can see it now "Fermez la, Warman".....
nobody@myhouse.com - 04 Feb 2006 23:38 GMT > Shut up Warman. You're such an asshat. "ASSHAT" Is that the opposite of "DEFASSHAT" ???
Wound Up - 05 Feb 2006 00:24 GMT You've got to try harder. You demonstrate a complete lack of effort, enthusiasm and creativity with every sad attempt at a flame.
For instance, rather than call you "idiot", "asshat", "dickhead" or something similarly ordinary and moronic, I will say that you are a weeping sore on the dimply fat a.s of diseased western society, exemplifying its decay with every blurt of pus you spew forth on Usenet.
> Shut up Warman. You're such an asshat. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >>>> And... >>>> With a rusty clobbered up lead paint and asbestos scraper!
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WindsorFox - 05 Feb 2006 18:17 GMT > You've got to try harder. You demonstrate a complete lack of effort, > enthusiasm and creativity with every sad attempt at a flame. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >> Shut up Warman. You're such an asshat. Steve S or Michael Dykes could put that to music.
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Wound Up - 05 Feb 2006 20:27 GMT >> You've got to try harder. You demonstrate a complete lack of effort, >> enthusiasm and creativity with every sad attempt at a flame. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Steve S or Michael Dykes could put that to music. Who are they?
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KJ.Kate - 05 Feb 2006 03:45 GMT "Ironrod" <cemuza@worldnet.att.net> spoke the name of the demon seed
: Not that moron who went by HURCAST, is it. In caps even! Ohhhhhhh you SO need a good whack on the back of the head.
Bad bad bad.. shame on you for an hour.
KJK
Ironrod - 07 Feb 2006 07:27 GMT My apologies to all, I've been away from the group for a while, I just dropped in to rant about my AIR pump freezing up after only 257000 miles of use. I didn't mean to resurrect the ghosts (or Trolls as the case may be) of Christmas past. I think I'll just go back to sanding off the rust on the old caddy now. By the way, anybody know where I can find a GM 501 short block?
> "Ironrod" <cemuza@worldnet.att.net> spoke the name of the demon seed > : Not that moron who went by HURCAST, is it. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > KJK KJ.Kate - 09 Feb 2006 01:24 GMT Aww c'mon now, I was just picking on you a little. You are resurecting an old Caddy? What year?
Kate
: My apologies to all, I've been away from the group for a while, I just : dropped in to rant about my AIR pump freezing up after only 257000 miles of [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] : > : > KJK Ironrod - 09 Feb 2006 04:57 GMT 1973 Eldorado. Engine has a knock which sounds suspiciously like a rod.
> Aww c'mon now, I was just picking on you a little. > You are resurecting an old Caddy? What year? [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > : > > : > KJK Spike - 09 Feb 2006 19:07 GMT >1973 Eldorado. Engine has a knock which sounds suspiciously like a rod. I recall a guy complaining about a knock like that with his Caddy..... turned out to be a homeless wino wanting to know if there was room at the inn for one more. -- Spike 1965 Ford Mustang Fastback 2+2, Vintage Burgundy w/Black Std Interior, A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok; Vintage 40 16" rims w/225/50ZR16 KDWS BF Goodrich gForce Radial T/As, Cobra drop; surround sound audio-video... See my ride at.... Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/003_May_21_3004.jpg Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/005_May_21_2004.jpg Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/davescar_7_11_05_002.jpg Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/Engine_rebuild_006.jpg
WindsorFox - 01 Feb 2006 05:20 GMT > The report was released Jan. 11 during the North American International > Auto Show in Detroit, but it received little attention outside of > Michigan. By a bunch of dorks that can't afford a new car....
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Backyard Mechanic - 01 Feb 2006 17:08 GMT Next up....
A Michigan environmental group has issued a study report that claims up to 500,000 people, mostly middle class elderly, die from side-effects of "New Car Smell' each year.
"We have previously reported on the serious effects of chemical outgassing in these new cars... but these unfortunates were set in their ways of buying new if they could afford it." said Dudley Flora-Smith of the Michigan Anti-Plasticizerer and Tea Group society.
"But now they are dead, having paid the price for their materialistic profligacy. We are thinking of asking the ACLU to inquire into the possibility of filing a class-action suit on their estates' behalf"
"But it's not only the elderly that suffer," Flora-Smith continued " Exposing infants and newborn to the acrid atmosphere has its price, as well."
Citing the obvious increase in childhood asthma, he adds that "increased addiction to "foolers" - vinyl or latex nipple substitutes- on the part of infants, and the attraction of teens to 'huffing canned chemicals' also are related.
"The odor of the noxious gasses has its effects on the brain's pleasure centers and sets up susceptibility to various life-long addictions!"
Rumored to be considering joining the effort is the UAW, and the 'National Association of car detailers and dealer wash-boys'. Both on OSHA workplace safety grounds.
However the associated study into whether the inclusion of the odor is an intentional plot by automakers to create an addiction to buying new cars, may result in the former dropping out of the effort.
If that should happen, the Michigan Group intends to appeal to George Soros or MoveOn.org, as they imply it might be related, somehow, to a Bush Administration plot to kill off seniors, thus allowing reduction in funding for the recently passed Medicaid Prescription Bill.
Asked for comment on this, Howard Dean, DNC party chair said; "It wouldnt surprise me a bit... we've already uncovered the corrupt GOP plot to victimize poor Indians just trying to scrape up enough money from bingo parlours to fund their own schools, why not MORE tax cuts by killing off the elderly?"
Sen Ted Kennedy concurred in a separate statement: "Not only that, I can tell you that the smell itself clouds judgement, especially when combined with a glass or two of wine at dinner and might result in unforeseen romantic attraction and subsequent driving off a bridge, somewhere."
Sen John Kerry's office said he was awaiting the results of a poll on the subject prior to making a statement.
Neither Jack Abramoff or any of several K Street lobbyist groups returned our calls.
Researchers for this news desk have found that Fidel Castro anticipated this problem years ago, when he instituted his policy of recycling older cars rather than importing newer ones. His mention of that noxious new- car odor in one of his famous 4 hour speeches was previously thought to be 'just filler'!
There doesnt seem to be much in the way of international reaction, otherwise. Though a UN source, who declined to be identified, said from Secretary General Kofi Annan's office, that "...it might explain what happened to that luxury car" bought by Annan's son Kojo and billed to the UN. "Perhaps he was offended by that odor and had it buried somewhere so it wouldnt affect anyone else" the staffer speculated.
Lined up against the suit: "National Association of Undertakers and Embalmers", who themselves have fallen under the scrutiny of that Michigan group for use of potentially hazardous chemicals in the workplace.
- This just in..the UK Liberal Party, who are writing up laws on how owners must treat and care for their pets are thinking of including a clause that classifies an owner who transport a pet in any auto less than two years old, might be subject to investigation by council 'pet police'.
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Backyard Mechanic - 03 Feb 2006 14:56 GMT Breaking, from Channel 4, Columbus: {Lede: SUV causes Highway closure}
A 6 mile stretch of west-bound I-70 was closed for three hours this morning after a motorist called 911 and complained of her 90 year-old mother fainting, possibly due to 'new-car' smell.
The Franklin County Haz-Mat team was called but were delayed in arriving, having been previously called out to a gas spill which occured while a Hilliard resident was refueling his snow-blower.
No one was injured in the Hilliard incident but the condition of the SUV passenger is not yet determined.
More on "news-at-Noon"..
> Next up.... > > A Michigan environmental group has issued a study report that claims > up to 500,000 people, mostly middle class elderly, die from > side-effects of "New Car Smell' each year.
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Spike - 03 Feb 2006 21:15 GMT >Breaking, from Channel 4, Columbus: >{Lede: SUV causes Highway closure} [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >> up to 500,000 people, mostly middle class elderly, die from >> side-effects of "New Car Smell' each year. Wonder what they do about bicycle seats.... -- Spike 1965 Ford Mustang Fastback 2+2, Vintage Burgundy w/Black Std Interior, A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok; Vintage 40 16" rims w/225/50ZR16 KDWS BF Goodrich gForce Radial T/As, Cobra drop; surround sound audio-video... See my ride at.... Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/003_May_21_3004.jpg Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/005_May_21_2004.jpg Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/davescar_7_11_05_002.jpg Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/Engine_rebuild_006.jpg
Wound Up - 03 Feb 2006 22:55 GMT I have six months to live. I owned a new car in 1990, and have since developed an inoperable brain tumor, which explains my behavior.
Don't cry for me, Argentina
> Breaking, from Channel 4, Columbus: > {Lede: SUV causes Highway closure} [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >>up to 500,000 people, mostly middle class elderly, die from >>side-effects of "New Car Smell' each year.
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nobody@myhouse.com - 04 Feb 2006 16:35 GMT >I have six months to live. I owned a new car in 1990, and have since >developed an inoperable brain tumor, which explains my behavior. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >>>up to 500,000 people, mostly middle class elderly, die from >>>side-effects of "New Car Smell' each year. I know Im going to get FLAMED for this, but we need to get more of the "middle class middle aged people" to buy new cars, that way, us "almost there" 58 year olds can hopefully still have some Social Security benefits when we get to be "middle class middle aged" <wink> :))
John
Spike - 04 Feb 2006 20:31 GMT SNIP
> I know Im going to get FLAMED for this, but we need to get more of >the "middle class middle aged people" to buy new cars, that way, us [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >John Ahhhh.... social security.... 3 years and counting... my pay raise added to the retirement I have been getting since 1988. Then I might be able to quit buying cat food by the case..... (it's the only way I can afford to provide my dog with the prime rib it craves, and still pay for gas for the car....) : 0 ) -- Spike 1965 Ford Mustang Fastback 2+2, Vintage Burgundy w/Black Std Interior, A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok; Vintage 40 16" rims w/225/50ZR16 KDWS BF Goodrich gForce Radial T/As, Cobra drop; surround sound audio-video... See my ride at.... Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/003_May_21_3004.jpg Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/005_May_21_2004.jpg Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/davescar_7_11_05_002.jpg Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/Engine_rebuild_006.jpg
KJ.Kate - 05 Feb 2006 03:50 GMT : Ahhhh.... social security.... 3 years and counting... my pay raise : added to the retirement I have been getting since 1988. Then I might : be able to quit buying cat food by the case..... (it's the only way I : can afford to provide my dog with the prime rib it craves, and still : pay for gas for the car....) : 0 ) : -- Cool Spike! Hubster should get his very first on in about two weeks.
I am going to buy Jeep stuff. Lots and lots of Jeep stuff. Then I am going to Jeep camp Then I am going to fix the stuff on my Jeep that I broke at Jeep Camp. Then I will buy BETTER and MORE Jeep stuff
Muhahahahahaahahahahaha mad I tell you, I have gone MAD!
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Spike - 05 Feb 2006 04:33 GMT >: Ahhhh.... social security.... 3 years and counting... my pay raise >: added to the retirement I have been getting since 1988. Then I might [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >2O|||||||O5 Liberty - the muddier, the better! Jus doan break nuttin permnant -- Spike 1965 Ford Mustang Fastback 2+2, Vintage Burgundy w/Black Std Interior, A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok; Vintage 40 16" rims w/225/50ZR16 KDWS BF Goodrich gForce Radial T/As, Cobra drop; surround sound audio-video... See my ride at.... Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/003_May_21_3004.jpg Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/005_May_21_2004.jpg Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/davescar_7_11_05_002.jpg Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/Engine_rebuild_006.jpg
KJ.Kate - 05 Feb 2006 04:44 GMT "Spike" <jma@snowcrest.net>
: >KJK : >Not a 'Hot Older Woman' on the outside, but on the inside, I'm Smokin! [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] : Jus doan break nuttin permnant : -- Tanks Spikie
cprice@here.com - 05 Feb 2006 07:47 GMT You are so white trash it hurts.
> : Ahhhh.... social security.... 3 years and counting... my pay raise > : added to the retirement I have been getting since 1988. Then I might [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > 2O|||||||O5 Liberty - the muddier, the better! WindsorFox - 05 Feb 2006 18:38 GMT > You are so white trash it hurts. Pot, your kettle is calling. There was nothing "trash" about Kate's message, you on the other hand are taken to racial slurs, epithets and general foul language all in off topic, top posting troll form. I am archiving every post you make. A person must have a truly lonely life to spend time on the Internet for the sole purpose making people hate him. At 2AM.
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Jim Warman - 05 Feb 2006 18:59 GMT Like an unruly child..... if nobody is paying attention, do something bad or unacceptable and people will notice you..... it matters not if they are chastising or praising. Either way, the child gets the attention he or she is craving... And, I would suppose, the same holds true for a child in an adults body...
Spike - 05 Feb 2006 21:25 GMT Your village called. They want you back ASAP. They say it's boring without an idiot around.
> You are so white trash it hurts. > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >> >> 2O|||||||O5 Liberty - the muddier, the better! -- Spike 1965 Ford Mustang Fastback 2+2, Vintage Burgundy w/Black Std Interior, A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok; Vintage 40 16" rims w/225/50ZR16 KDWS BF Goodrich gForce Radial T/As, Cobra drop; surround sound audio-video... See my ride at.... Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/003_May_21_3004.jpg Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/005_May_21_2004.jpg Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/davescar_7_11_05_002.jpg Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/Engine_rebuild_006.jpg
KJ.Kate - 09 Feb 2006 01:25 GMT : Your village called. They want you back ASAP. They say it's boring : without an idiot around. Whoo hooo Spike you are SMOKIN!!!
Wound Up - 05 Feb 2006 00:17 GMT >>I have six months to live. I owned a new car in 1990, and have since >>developed an inoperable brain tumor, which explains my behavior. [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > John They are buying them by the truckload, so don't you worry. The geezers will start dropping like flies out of their neato platic machines in no time, and we who are still on the upswing will get all the spoils... including the hot older broads
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Jim Warman - 04 Feb 2006 21:02 GMT Loved it... and I can add my own experience.... Back in 86, my loving bride and I bought our first brand new car.... Since inhaling those new car fumes, we have aged nearly 20 years and continue to get older by the day. We both realize that, allowed to continue, this aging process will surely mean our death. Doctors are mystified at this insidious, chronic condition and offer us little hope.
Since that first incident, we have made the mistake of purchasing other new vehicles and, personally, I feel it has compounded the problem. I'm only 29 yet I feel like I'm 55. I've been 29 for the past 26 years now... this is not something I would likely forget.... yet this insidious new car smell is disfiguring me.... My arms are no longer long enough to read the newspaper (which is probably why I didn't see this warning in the first place).... and now I find that gravity does, indeed, work. My wife has noticed this too since there are some things that just don't appear to be where they used to be.
There are certain pleasures that I used to revel in all night long.... now I find that what I used to do all night, takes me all night to do.
I think the world would be a much safer place if the inside of a new car smelled like pickled egg and warm beer farts... kind of like a "dutch oven" of comfort...
Spike - 04 Feb 2006 23:06 GMT >Loved it... and I can add my own experience.... Back in 86, my loving bride >and I bought our first brand new car.... Since inhaling those new car fumes, [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >smelled like pickled egg and warm beer farts... kind of like a "dutch oven" >of comfort... God! Sounds like my former father-in-law who, at the mandate of the Mrs, was forced to retreat to the garage with his cronies to partake of limburger cheese and beer... which is how he expanded his garage from one car to three and an office.... and got the oil burning wood stove installed. : 0 ) -- Spike 1965 Ford Mustang Fastback 2+2, Vintage Burgundy w/Black Std Interior, A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok; Vintage 40 16" rims w/225/50ZR16 KDWS BF Goodrich gForce Radial T/As, Cobra drop; surround sound audio-video... See my ride at.... Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/003_May_21_3004.jpg Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/005_May_21_2004.jpg Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/davescar_7_11_05_002.jpg Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/Engine_rebuild_006.jpg
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