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Anthony Watters - 03 Mar 2006 20:09 GMT

I realize that these cars are not currently available but does anyone here
know any SVT dealers that abide by a 'no-markup' policy?
Looking to order & purchase the new SVT Shelby GT 500 without paying a 20k
markup. Any ideas?

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Wound Up - 03 Mar 2006 20:33 GMT

> I realize that these cars are not currently available but does anyone here
> know any SVT dealers that abide by a 'no-markup' policy?
> Looking to order & purchase the new SVT Shelby GT 500 without paying a 20k
> markup. Any ideas?

If you give me 10 grand, I will tell you.

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Zombywoof - 03 Mar 2006 21:08 GMT

>I realize that these cars are not currently available but does anyone here
>know any SVT dealers that abide by a 'no-markup' policy?
>Looking to order & purchase the new SVT Shelby GT 500 without paying a 20k
>markup. Any ideas?

Sure I'll sell you mine for only a 19.9k markup.

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Wound Up - 03 Mar 2006 21:41 GMT

> >I realize that these cars are not currently available but does anyone here
> >know any SVT dealers that abide by a 'no-markup' policy?
> >Looking to order & purchase the new SVT Shelby GT 500 without paying a 20k
> >markup. Any ideas?
> >
> Sure I'll sell you mine for only a 19.9k markup.

You've been underbid! =)

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Zombywoof - 04 Mar 2006 20:38 GMT

>> >I realize that these cars are not currently available but does anyone here
>> >know any SVT dealers that abide by a 'no-markup' policy?
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>
>You've been underbid! =)

Damn, story of my life.

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Wound Up - 04 Mar 2006 21:56 GMT

>>>>I realize that these cars are not currently available but does anyone here
>>>>know any SVT dealers that abide by a 'no-markup' policy?
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>
> Damn, story of my life.

Somehow, I doubt that.

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Brent P - 03 Mar 2006 22:00 GMT

I got one answer from the guy at the chicago autoshow and another answer
when I called SVT.

The former said the cars would goto SVT dealers based on how many '04
cobras they sold in an effort to stop the mark up. The later said the
cars will be split up amung all ford dealers based on sales.

If the later, odds are 20K mark ups will be rampant as most stealerships
will just mark up their one GT500 and sit on it until some sucker pays
it. If they really do put the preference on high volume SVT dealers then
there is hope, because the ones that sell the most cobras are probably
not doing the mark up BS.

I just get the feeling Ford doesn't want me buying anything from them
sometimes.

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Anthony Watters - 03 Mar 2006 22:23 GMT

So how would someone contact Ford SVT (not their tech line) to get the real
answer?
I've called the SVT Information center and did not really get much of an
answer.

Anyone have any personal contacts at Ford SVT?

>> I realize that these cars are not currently available but does anyone
>> here
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> I just get the feeling Ford doesn't want me buying anything from them
> sometimes.

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Brent P - 03 Mar 2006 23:46 GMT

> So how would someone contact Ford SVT (not their tech line) to get the real
> answer?
> I've called the SVT Information center and did not really get much of an
> answer.

I just got the 1800fordsvt number from the guy at the autoshow and that's
what I called. Seems they didn't know people were being told to call
them or I was the only one who followed through.

I need to find a better 'ear' at ford myself. But then again, if they
paid attention to people they might be able to ease their problems
somewhat.

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Joe - 04 Mar 2006 00:57 GMT

> In article <mbqdneU2SvKfX5XZRVn-iQ@comcast.com>, Anthony Watters
> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> paid attention to people they might be able to ease their problems
> somewhat.

The bottom line seems to be that the GT500 is falling in right along
with the ol' Cobra R. Sure, Ford is making them, but there's a
snowball's chance in hell you'll be getting one for anywhere close to
the advertised price, if at all.

Ford is blowing it again - they put out a simply fabulous car but nobody
except the elite few can get one. End result - a lot of pissed off
almost-but-not-quite customers.

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Brent P - 04 Mar 2006 03:51 GMT

> Ford is blowing it again - they put out a simply fabulous car but nobody
> except the elite few can get one. End result - a lot of pissed off
> almost-but-not-quite customers.

They expect us to buy lesser mustangs and tauri. If I can't get a GT500 or don't
like it I'm buying something German, something old, or nothing at all.

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Michael Johnson, PE - 05 Mar 2006 03:09 GMT

>> Ford is blowing it again - they put out a simply fabulous car but nobody
>> except the elite few can get one. End result - a lot of pissed off
>> almost-but-not-quite customers.
>
> They expect us to buy lesser mustangs and tauri. If I can't get a GT500 or don't
> like it I'm buying something German, something old, or nothing at all.

Don't forget about the Z06. It is an absolute beast.

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Michael Johnson, PE - 04 Mar 2006 05:51 GMT

>> In article <mbqdneU2SvKfX5XZRVn-iQ@comcast.com>, Anthony Watters
>> wrote:
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> except the elite few can get one. End result - a lot of pissed off
> almost-but-not-quite customers.

I think the initial rush for the GT500 will drive the price up to
$50k-$60k but if they build 7,000+ this model year, like I was told at
the DC Auto Show, I think the price will level out to a few thousand
over sticker. Then next year if they do another 7,000 unit run the
price might even get below sticker. Then again I might be full of $hit. :)

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Michael price - 04 Mar 2006 05:59 GMT

here around ky they did the same with the 03 mach 1`s to there surprise
they still had alot of them on there lots come fall 03. on 1 lot close
by they still had 3-03 mach 1 cars with 2 new 04`s right beside them.
the 03 cars where priced at 36500.00 when they first got them. if i`m
correct the sticker price was between 29000.00 to 32000.00 that i
remember. any one here able to buy a mach 1 what what your price? mp

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Brent P - 04 Mar 2006 06:31 GMT

> I think the initial rush for the GT500 will drive the price up to
> $50k-$60k but if they build 7,000+ this model year, like I was told at
> the DC Auto Show, I think the price will level out to a few thousand
> over sticker. Then next year if they do another 7,000 unit run the
> price might even get below sticker. Then again I might be full of $hit. :)

It's all in how ford distributes them and how many suckers there are. Way too
many people out there with more money than brains.

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Zombywoof - 04 Mar 2006 20:44 GMT

>> I think the initial rush for the GT500 will drive the price up to
>> $50k-$60k but if they build 7,000+ this model year, like I was told at
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>It's all in how ford distributes them and how many suckers there are. Way too
>many people out there with more money than brains.

Ain't that the truth.

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croaker68 - 04 Mar 2006 21:20 GMT

Does SAMS still have that option to buy new Ford Vehicles? I think I
read here that people were able to get a mustang GT @ retail back when
they were being marked up a lot.

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Zombywoof - 05 Mar 2006 04:41 GMT

>Does SAMS still have that option to buy new Ford Vehicles? I think I
>read here that people were able to get a mustang GT @ retail back when
>they were being marked up a lot.

Not a Mustang GT, a Ford GT,
http://www.fordvehicles.com/fordgt/home.asp.

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Michael Johnson, PE - 04 Mar 2006 21:19 GMT

>> I think the initial rush for the GT500 will drive the price up to
>> $50k-$60k but if they build 7,000+ this model year, like I was told at
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> It's all in how ford distributes them and how many suckers there are. Way too
> many people out there with more money than brains.

I don't think it will matter how dealers get their hands on them. The
Ford GTs saw a lot of hype and were priced through the roof when they
first hit the showrooms. Pricing for them has leveled off
substantially. I think there are just so many buyers at a certain price
point and spreading the cars around to many dealers won't increase that
number. Plus, if Ford makes over 14,000 in a two year run the Shelby
just won't be that rare. The Cobra R is not a good comparison because
they truly made that a limited production run vehicle (around 300 units,
IIRC). Personally, my limit is $45k-$50k for a loaded convertible.
Anymore than that will make me look hard at other cars from Mercedes,
Lexus, Corvette etc. No matter how Ford wants to spin it they are still
selling a Mustang and I bet the general public won't let them forget
that fact. Sure there will be the buyers that will pay any price but
they will fade out quick. IMO, patient will be rewarded when buying a
GT500.

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Joe - 05 Mar 2006 01:40 GMT

>> In article <y5CdnSVJp8VDt5TZnZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d@giganews.com>, Michael
>> Johnson, PE wrote:
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> first hit the showrooms. Pricing for them has leveled off
> substantially.

What are they going for now? The price of a house? ;)

> I think there are just so many buyers at a certain
> price point and spreading the cars around to many dealers won't
> increase that number. Plus, if Ford makes over 14,000 in a two year
> run the Shelby just won't be that rare.

Bet me that Ford doesn't make 14,000 in two years. I think we'll be
lucky to see 5,000 a year if that.

> The Cobra R is not a good
> comparison because they truly made that a limited production run
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> the buyers that will pay any price but they will fade out quick. IMO,
> patient will be rewarded when buying a GT500.

To a point, I think you're right, Michael. But I also think that Ford
will realize that they can't go above that $50k line, and to jack up the
price they'll cut production. They might just be able to make more
money by selling fewer cars.

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Michael Johnson, PE - 05 Mar 2006 03:01 GMT

>>> In article <y5CdnSVJp8VDt5TZnZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d@giganews.com>, Michael
>>> Johnson, PE wrote:
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>
> What are they going for now? The price of a house? ;)

Last I heard it is now a little over sticker or about $160k. Still a
bargain though when you consider it can kick the butt of a $400k Ferrari. :)

>> I think there are just so many buyers at a certain
>> price point and spreading the cars around to many dealers won't
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> Bet me that Ford doesn't make 14,000 in two years. I think we'll be
> lucky to see 5,000 a year if that.

Even 5,000/year is quite a few. My guess is they will have to sell
several thousand a year just to recoup their investment.

>> The Cobra R is not a good
>> comparison because they truly made that a limited production run
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> price they'll cut production. They might just be able to make more
> money by selling fewer cars.

I also think they know their price limit is in the $45k-$50k range. I'm
sure they have probed the market to find the sweet spot. Over $50k and
there are just too many other cars that become competitors. Under $50k
and they have a free reign in that segment and nothing can touch that
car for the value. I have no doubt Ford dealers will rape the first few
Mustang/Shelby maniacs that hit the showrooms and I really don't blame
them for doing it. Hell, I would do it if I owned a dealership. ;)

Here are a few cars I will consider if Ford thinks I will spend more
than $50k on a Mustang:

http://www.mbusa.com/models/main.do?modelCode=SLK55&src=MODELSELECTOR
http://www.lexus.com/models/sc/index.html
http://www.porsche.com/uk/models/911/911-carrera-cabriolet/indetail/

.... and my personal favorite as runner-up

http://www.chevrolet.com/corvette/#corvette-z06

Plus there are many, many kit cars offered nowadays that are really
quite good and can perform right up with the best from the major auto
makers. Heck, maybe in a year, or so, a slightly used Ford GT might be
possible. :)

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Joe - 05 Mar 2006 15:33 GMT

>>>> In article <y5CdnSVJp8VDt5TZnZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d@giganews.com>, Michael
>>>> Johnson, PE wrote:
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> bargain though when you consider it can kick the butt of a $400k
> Ferrari. :)

Quite true. But the GT still says 'Ford', while 'Ferrari' says a few
things more... ;)

>>> I think there are just so many buyers at a certain
>>> price point and spreading the cars around to many dealers won't
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> Even 5,000/year is quite a few. My guess is they will have to sell
> several thousand a year just to recoup their investment.

I'm sure they've got their break-even line drawn on some board somehwhere
in corporate. And soon after they cross that line they can play all kinds
of games with production numbers and price.

>>> The Cobra R is not a good
>>> comparison because they truly made that a limited production run
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> Under $50k and they have a free reign in that segment and nothing can
> touch that car for the value.

Even under $50k, Ford has to be careful. As you've pointed out, there are
people who won't pay that much simply because it's "still a Mustang". I
think there might be a line lower than $50k that people won't cross
because of that.

> I have no doubt Ford dealers will rape
> the first few Mustang/Shelby maniacs that hit the showrooms and I
> really don't blame them for doing it. Hell, I would do it if I owned
> a dealership. ;)

Agreed. If people will pay it, then why not?

> Here are a few cars I will consider if Ford thinks I will spend more
> than $50k on a Mustang:
>
> http://www.mbusa.com/models/main.do?modelCode=SLK55&src=MODELSELECTOR

Very neat.

> http://www.lexus.com/models/sc/index.html

I don't care for the SC simply because it's got that 'chick car' stigma.
It's not a "Real Man's" car. ;)

> http://www.porsche.com/uk/models/911/911-carrera-cabriolet/indetail/

Oooh.

> .... and my personal favorite as runner-up
>
> http://www.chevrolet.com/corvette/#corvette-z06

Literally the bargain of the century so far.

> Plus there are many, many kit cars offered nowadays that are really
> quite good and can perform right up with the best from the major auto
> makers. Heck, maybe in a year, or so, a slightly used Ford GT might
> be possible. :)

LOL! In yer dreams. But dream on, my friend.. ;)

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Brent P - 05 Mar 2006 23:20 GMT

> Even under $50k, Ford has to be careful. As you've pointed out, there are
> people who won't pay that much simply because it's "still a Mustang". I
> think there might be a line lower than $50k that people won't cross
> because of that.

"still a Mustang" means a lot. Ford isn't going to address all the
compromises that were made to bring that base V6 to market at low price
in the GT500. Once a given price line is crossed one can get a much more
refined car with all sorts of attention to detail that couldn't be done
for a base mustang V6 price point. In the GT500 the buyer is going to be
living with quite a few of those. In the 35-45K range, the GT500 is
pretty fairly priced. We are paying for a mustang and a more or less
super car, ford GT engine with some other nicities added to the car.

Cross 50K and those base V6 compromises become glaring. Now the other
cars have 50K+ car fit and finish and goodies that the GT500 doesn't.
Might as well buy a Porsche or a vette if dealer premium pushes it over
the 50K mark.

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Joe - 06 Mar 2006 02:36 GMT

>> Even under $50k, Ford has to be careful. As you've pointed out,
>> there are people who won't pay that much simply because it's "still a
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> Might as well buy a Porsche or a vette if dealer premium pushes it
> over the 50K mark.

Even with the GT500 at $45k, I'd probably opt for the C6 for the few
extra thou. After all, $45k is a lot for a Mustang...

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Brent P - 06 Mar 2006 03:13 GMT

>>> Even under $50k, Ford has to be careful. As you've pointed out,
>>> there are people who won't pay that much simply because it's "still a
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> Even with the GT500 at $45k, I'd probably opt for the C6 for the few
> extra thou. After all, $45k is a lot for a Mustang...

I don't believe it will be that high for the GT500... Probably closer to
40K. But for me anyway, I don't really fit in a vette. For some reason
they just aren't made such that I can fit in them comfortably. A 911 on
the other hand....

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Brent P - 05 Mar 2006 04:22 GMT

> To a point, I think you're right, Michael. But I also think that Ford
> will realize that they can't go above that $50k line, and to jack up the
> price they'll cut production. They might just be able to make more
> money by selling fewer cars.

Dealers make the above MSRP part, not ford... the stealerships are as big
of a problem as Ford itself, maybe more.

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Joe - 05 Mar 2006 15:34 GMT

>> To a point, I think you're right, Michael. But I also think that
>> Ford will realize that they can't go above that $50k line, and to
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> Dealers make the above MSRP part, not ford... the stealerships are as
> big of a problem as Ford itself, maybe more.

Sure, but they _do_ talk to each other..

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Bob Willard - 05 Mar 2006 16:19 GMT

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The base Ford GT has a MSRP of $153,345 (which includes D&D & Gas
Guzzler Tax).
With the max. of $26,600 in options, a fully-loaded Ford GT will have a
sticker price of $179,945. Either way, that is a fraction of the going
price for a new house around here; the rather-typical new house across the
street from me sold for ~$660K last summer.

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Joe - 06 Mar 2006 02:40 GMT

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> going price for a new house around here; the rather-typical new house
> across the street from me sold for ~$660K last summer.

There are plenty of places you can buy a house for the price of a Ford GT.
Might be a starter 2/1 or 2/2, but they're available. $660k for a
'typical' house is getting up there.

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Brent P - 05 Mar 2006 04:20 GMT

> I don't think it will matter how dealers get their hands on them. The
> Ford GTs saw a lot of hype and were priced through the roof when they
> first hit the showrooms.

Most of the first production was _reserved_ for special people like Jay
Leno and the host of Top Gear. So take a limited production and squeeze
it further.

> Pricing for them has leveled off
> substantially. I think there are just so many buyers at a certain price
> point and spreading the cars around to many dealers won't increase that
> number.

That is true of cars that cost as much as real estate, but as the price
drops to that of a corvette or less it becomes less and less true.

> Plus, if Ford makes over 14,000 in a two year run the Shelby
> just won't be that rare.

It depends on how many people understand that and if they make that many.

> The Cobra R is not a good comparison because
> they truly made that a limited production run vehicle (around 300 units,
> IIRC).

I wasn't using it as a basis of comparison.

> Personally, my limit is $45k-$50k for a loaded convertible.
> Anymore than that will make me look hard at other cars from Mercedes,
> Lexus, Corvette etc.

That's my point as well.

> No matter how Ford wants to spin it they are still
> selling a Mustang and I bet the general public won't let them forget
> that fact. Sure there will be the buyers that will pay any price but
> they will fade out quick. IMO, patient will be rewarded when buying a
> GT500.

With some luck. But playing the games just turns me off entirely. My
guess is dealers will still act like the GT500 is special if they are
built to demand. If demand is less 7,000 a year then we are set, if it's
greater well then forget about it.

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Zombywoof - 04 Mar 2006 20:43 GMT

>>> In article <mbqdneU2SvKfX5XZRVn-iQ@comcast.com>, Anthony Watters
>>> wrote:
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>over sticker. Then next year if they do another 7,000 unit run the
>price might even get below sticker. Then again I might be full of $hit. :)

While anything is possible in this day of e-bay, I don't think the
premium will be $20k, although I have no doubt those with more money
then sense will pony up that much.

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Zombywoof - 04 Mar 2006 20:42 GMT

>> In article <mbqdneU2SvKfX5XZRVn-iQ@comcast.com>, Anthony Watters
>> wrote:
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>except the elite few can get one. End result - a lot of pissed off
>almost-but-not-quite customers.

The ever infamous supply & demand equation. Restrict supply, up
demand and along with it price. How many GT's went for anything near
MSRP?

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Zombywoof - 04 Mar 2006 20:41 GMT

>> I realize that these cars are not currently available but does anyone here
>> know any SVT dealers that abide by a 'no-markup' policy?
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>I just get the feeling Ford doesn't want me buying anything from them
>sometimes.

Remember back to the Plymouth Prowler the supposed "Street Rod" for
the masses and Chrysler's attempts to put it at an affordable price
point and keep it there? That certainly didn't happen. I've often
wondered exactly how many of these are sitting across the country
shrink wrapped in someone's climate controlled garage.

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Joe - 05 Mar 2006 01:36 GMT

>>In article <oPSdnVSFf9FXPpXZnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@comcast.com>, Anthony
>>Watters wrote:
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> wondered exactly how many of these are sitting across the country
> shrink wrapped in someone's climate controlled garage.

I don't know, but I see a helluva lot of 'em on the roads down here.
Lots of SSRs riding around, too.

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Michael Johnson, PE - 05 Mar 2006 03:08 GMT

>>> In article <oPSdnVSFf9FXPpXZnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@comcast.com>, Anthony
>>> Watters wrote:
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> I don't know, but I see a helluva lot of 'em on the roads down here.
> Lots of SSRs riding around, too.

I see one or two around here during the summer but haven't seen one SSR.
IMO, the SSR is a decent bargain. Especially with the newer 400 hp
engine.

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Joe - 05 Mar 2006 15:18 GMT

>>>> In article <oPSdnVSFf9FXPpXZnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@comcast.com>, Anthony
>>>> Watters wrote:
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> IMO, the SSR is a decent bargain. Especially with the newer 400 hp
> engine.

Indeed. Funny, I've seen more SSRs than GTOs. But this area isn't
really typical of what you'd see in any other given area, except maybe
LA or something. Lots of exotics, customs, and whathaveyou are usually
running around down here. Not a day goes by where I don't see some kind
of older, cherry hot rod or muscle car also.

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Mort Guffman - 05 Mar 2006 03:59 GMT

>>> I realize that these cars are not currently available but does anyone here
>>> know any SVT dealers that abide by a 'no-markup' policy?
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>wondered exactly how many of these are sitting across the country
>shrink wrapped in someone's climate controlled garage.

I remember people were paying $40K when the first PT Cuisers came out.
Bet they feel like chumps. I paid just under the sticker for my 98
cobra. It still runs good. I am interested in the GT500, but when I
think it thru I don't really want one that badly.

1. I don't like the stripes. If I opt out of the stripes (if that's
possible) the car won't look genuine.

2. I can't imagine why I would need a 450+ HP car.

3. That's a lot of money for a Mustang. I would tend to look closer at
the Corvettes if the price is gonna be near the base price of a
Corvette.

4. I actually would like to have an automatic trans. I have been
driving sticks forever and a automatic sounds kinda nice. I live in
the heart of Pinellas County FL and so 99% of my driving is in heavy
traffic with 45MPH speed limits.

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Michael Johnson, PE - 05 Mar 2006 05:41 GMT

>>>> I realize that these cars are not currently available but does anyone here
>>>> know any SVT dealers that abide by a 'no-markup' policy?
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> the heart of Pinellas County FL and so 99% of my driving is in heavy
> traffic with 45MPH speed limits.

I am with you on this. I really hope Ford has an option for an
automatic. Something tells me they won't due to the after market tuning
potential and high torque output of the engine. I doubt they have a
tranny in their arsenal that can take the abuse.

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Joe - 05 Mar 2006 15:37 GMT

>>>> In article <oPSdnVSFf9FXPpXZnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@comcast.com>, Anthony
>>>> Watters wrote:
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> tuning potential and high torque output of the engine. I doubt they
> have a tranny in their arsenal that can take the abuse.

Currently having two vehicles with automatics, I certainly agree.
However, I don't agree with # 2 at all. There's never too much power.

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John C. - 05 Mar 2006 12:24 GMT

> I remember people were paying $40K when the first PT Cuisers came out.
> Bet they feel like chumps. I paid just under the sticker for my 98
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> 1. I don't like the stripes. If I opt out of the stripes (if that's
> possible) the car won't look genuine.

I'm with you on this. Black, no stripes for me.
I don't really care about it looking "genuine".

> 2. I can't imagine why I would need a 450+ HP car.

I can't imagine _not_ needing 450+ HP. :)

> 3. That's a lot of money for a Mustang. I would tend to look closer at
> the Corvettes if the price is gonna be near the base price of a
> Corvette.

If a 2-seater will suffice, why even look at the Mustang?
The Corvettes are very nice for the money.

> 4. I actually would like to have an automatic trans. I have been
> driving sticks forever and a automatic sounds kinda nice. I live in
> the heart of Pinellas County FL and so 99% of my driving is in heavy
> traffic with 45MPH speed limits.

Yep, look at the 'Vette. I doubt you'll see an auto from Ford, behind that
motor.
--
John C.
'03 Cobra Convt.

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HerkyJerky - 05 Mar 2006 14:51 GMT

I wanted a GT500, but refuse to pay over sticker. Why is it that Ford
seems to have no retail price control over dealers? Rhetorical
question BTW. Plus some of the aura of the new Stang is beginning to
age with me a little bit.
The more I think about it the more I maybe want something other than
Mustang. At least not a 3,900 pound Mustang with a big iron V8 and
supercharger. If they wanted the retro connection to the original
GT500 they got it.
My hope is that they will build a Mach 1, or Boss 302 etc with a
non force fed aluminum engine that will propel the car nicely. Maybe
a little north of 400 HP. If Lexus can build a 4.6 N/A engine with
380 HP, why can't Ford? OK. So I think I answered my own question
there. Or heck, back to supercharging, why can Cadillac build a 4.4L
Northstar with 470 HP.
Also, what is this 300+ HP blown V6 Shelby is working with Ford on.
What car will that go in? Put it in something light and that could be
fun.

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lab~rat >:-) - 06 Mar 2006 19:09 GMT

>2. I can't imagine why I would need a 450+ HP car.

No one needs one...
--
lab~rat >:-)
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?

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