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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Mustang / March 2006

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Patriot - 17 Mar 2006 04:53 GMT
Just curious, what would be the best oil and weight to use on a 64.5 mustang
with a 6 cylinder?

Thanks!
Dave
Ritz - 17 Mar 2006 13:43 GMT
> Just curious, what would be the best oil and weight to use on a 64.5 mustang
> with a 6 cylinder?

Hmmm...that's probably a 170 or 200.  If it was my car, I'd probably use
10W-40 or 5W-40.  I'm partial to Mobil1 synthetic.  Their 5W-40 Truck &
SUV formula would work well.
Backyard Mechanic - 17 Mar 2006 14:28 GMT
>> Just curious, what would be the best oil and weight to use on a 64.5
>> mustang with a 6 cylinder?
>
> Hmmm...that's probably a 170 or 200.  If it was my car, I'd probably
> use 10W-40 or 5W-40.  I'm partial to Mobil1 synthetic.  Their 5W-40
> Truck & SUV formula would work well.

Most likely a 170.
Depending on accumulated wear and use/driving patterns. The longer the
average drive time warm, the more sense it makes to use Mobil 1.

Here's a hint though... stay away from popular, highly promoted, oils
referring to a big eastern state.

Also stay away from "pay me now or pay me later" orange oil filters with 4
letter name.  They REALLY mean "Buy it now, and pay for it later"

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Bill in Yakima - 17 Mar 2006 20:04 GMT
Depending on the age and condition of the engine, I would use the weight of
oil that was recommended in 1965. I don't think you will gain anything using
Mobil1, Dino oil will work just fine, and if it uses a little oil, will not
break the bank when it comes time to add. My personal preference for major
brands of oil are: Castrol, Valvoline, Quaker State. You can not go wrong
with these. I did some work on an engine that my father in law bought new
and changed oil every 2K, using Pennzoil from day one. The amount of sludge
inside that engine after 80K was enough so I never used Pennzoil again.

>>> Just curious, what would be the best oil and weight to use on a 64.5
>>> mustang with a 6 cylinder?
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> Also stay away from "pay me now or pay me later" orange oil filters with 4
> letter name.  They REALLY mean "Buy it now, and pay for it later"
Backyard Mechanic - 17 Mar 2006 21:16 GMT
"Bill in Yakima" <wjh1nospam@yvn.com "Ah I didn't see a hold..." - John
Madden, 2-5-06> wrote:

> Depending on the age and condition of the engine, I would use the
> weight of oil that was recommended in 1965. I don't think you will
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> every 2K, using Pennzoil from day one. The amount of sludge inside
> that engine after 80K was enough so I never used Pennzoil again.

And BTW, Quaker State is owned by Pennzoil... and I determined that
SuperBlend broke down at approximately 1200 miles, as opposed to almost any
other oil which took at least 2000 miles.

Valvoline, please, for MY dino oil... like I said if you have long warm
cycles, Mobil1 is the answer.

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Patriot - 17 Mar 2006 21:58 GMT
Its a 170, the car does not get much time on the road, about once every two
weeks or so I put about 15-20 miles on it. It probably has about 500 miles
since the last oil change, which was about 6-8 months ago. Is it bad to let
it go that long even though it is hardly used? Checking the dip stick it
still shows as being full and there is never really any smoke when I run the
car, so it doesn't seem to burn/leak oil, thankfully, unlike the
transmission.... It currently has a motorcraft oil filter. So I gather that
the recommended oil would be 5w30 mobil1?

Thanks for all the comments, I really don't know much about the car and may
just end up having to sell it to someone who can maintain it better than
me...

Dave

> "Bill in Yakima" <wjh1nospam@yvn.com "Ah I didn't see a hold..." - John
> Madden, 2-5-06> wrote:
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> Valvoline, please, for MY dino oil... like I said if you have long warm
> cycles, Mobil1 is the answer.
RT - 17 Mar 2006 22:06 GMT
>Its a 170, the car does not get much time on the road, about once every two
>weeks or so I put about 15-20 miles on it. It probably has about 500 miles
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>transmission.... It currently has a motorcraft oil filter. So I gather that
>the recommended oil would be 5w30 mobil1?

I really wouldn't bother with synthetic oil. Just get the weight that
was specified for it. Your best way tomake sure the engine will last
for a while is to make sure you fully warm up the engine when you run
it (20 miles at least) AND to take it easy before the engine is fully
warmed up. Do NOT ever start the engine in the garage to 'warm it up',
it will not warm up unless you run it for a LONG time.

>Thanks for all the comments, I really don't know much about the car and may
>just end up having to sell it to someone who can maintain it better than
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>> Valvoline, please, for MY dino oil... like I said if you have long warm
>> cycles, Mobil1 is the answer.
Brent P - 17 Mar 2006 22:31 GMT
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> Its a 170, the car does not get much time on the road, about once every two
> weeks or so I put about 15-20 miles on it. It probably has about 500 miles
> since the last oil change, which was about 6-8 months ago. Is it bad to let
> it go that long even though it is hardly used?

So long as the car is driven long enough that combustion products are
getting burned off and not thining the oil. Other's opinions will vary
some but I've never had a problem with such time periods but I always make
sure to drive it long enough that there isn't any contamination build up.

> Checking the dip stick it
> still shows as being full and there is never really any smoke when I run the
> car, so it doesn't seem to burn/leak oil, thankfully, unlike the
> transmission.... It currently has a motorcraft oil filter. So I gather that
> the recommended oil would be 5w30 mobil1?

I run regular dyno mobil 10W30 in '73 maverick 250. I've used mobil 1
10W30 before on a couple of occasions. The mobil 1 was better in the very
cold weather (which I no longer drive the car in) and the engine consumed
more mobil 1 than it did on regular oil. Neither was bad consumption.. in
the range of normal, just that it consumed more mobil 1. The first time I
used mobil one it seemed to clean out what little sludge there was in the
engine, so that's another benefit provided all the seals are good. I had
no problems with seals or leaks of any sort. I switched back because I
drive the car less, the regular oil is a lot less money, and it burns less
of the regular oil.

In my mustang(4.6) I've run mobil 1 5W30 since the first oil change from new.


Backyard Mechanic - 18 Mar 2006 02:53 GMT
> Its a 170, the car does not get much time on the road, about once
> every two weeks or so I put about 15-20 miles on it. It probably has
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> and may just end up having to sell it to someone who can maintain it
> better than me...

Naw...you're about marginal as to use, I would use regular valvoline
10w30.

The real rule of thumb for dino oils should be 3,000 miles or 4 months,
whichever comes first.  
Remember water condenses inside the engine due to temperature/humidity
change... doesnt even have to be run.

Shame you dont use it enough that you would consider selling it.  
Motorcraft are good filters

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Brent P - 18 Mar 2006 03:13 GMT
> The real rule of thumb for dino oils should be 3,000 miles or 4 months,
> whichever comes first.  
> Remember water condenses inside the engine due to temperature/humidity
> change... doesnt even have to be run.

What little that is would simply return to water vapor when the engine
reaches OT and be taken care of by the crankcase breather or PCV system as
the case may be.
Backyard Mechanic - 18 Mar 2006 03:20 GMT
> What little that is would simply return to water vapor when the engine
> reaches OT and be taken care of by the crankcase breather or PCV
> system as the case may be.

wel... yeah!  that's the point!

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Ritz - 20 Mar 2006 01:36 GMT
> Its a 170, the car does not get much time on the road, about once every two
> weeks or so I put about 15-20 miles on it. It probably has about 500 miles
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> just end up having to sell it to someone who can maintain it better than
> me...

I definitely wouldn't use 5W30.  That's on the light side for that
motor.  I'd stick with the 10W40 Mobil1.  It's a bit more expensive than
conventional oil, but it has better detergent properties, won't sludge
up your engine, and will start easier in the cold weather.  And you can
probably switch to a once a year change regimen with that type of
mileage and synthetic oil.  Motorcraft filters are fine as are
Purolator.  As someone else mentioned, you'll want to avoid FRAM.

That engine is VERY easy to maintain so I wouldn't worry much about it.
 Those old C4 transmissions leak like a mofo, even under the best of
circumstances.  It probably just needs a new rear seal which is cheap
and easy to change (for someone with a lift).  You could also change the
transmission filter and pan gasket (which is probably also leaking and
very cheap to buy) while you're down there and refill it with some Type
F transmission fluid (not generic ATF).

If you have any other questions, fire away.  Most folks on the group are
pretty helpful.

Cheers,
Dave Combs - 18 Mar 2006 05:19 GMT
If I remember my history both Pennzoil and Quaker State were originally
refined from Pennsylvania crude.  The wax content is different in Pa crude
vs, other crudes.  I though it was less.  But then again this could all be
urban legend.  Hey you pertroleum engineers, help me out!

Dave

> "Bill in Yakima" <wjh1nospam@yvn.com "Ah I didn't see a hold..." - John
> Madden, 2-5-06> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> Valvoline, please, for MY dino oil... like I said if you have long warm
> cycles, Mobil1 is the answer.
Hairy - 18 Mar 2006 06:20 GMT
> If I remember my history both Pennzoil and Quaker State were originally
> refined from Pennsylvania crude.  The wax content is different in Pa crude
> vs, other crudes.  I though it was less.  But then again this could all be
> urban legend.  Hey you pertroleum engineers, help me out!
>
> Dave

I believe Pennzoil and Quaker State used to be parrafin based. Don't know if
they still are. Regardless, it's Valvoline or Castrol for me.

Dave
Backyard Mechanic - 18 Mar 2006 14:01 GMT
> If I remember my history both Pennzoil and Quaker State were
> originally refined from Pennsylvania crude.  The wax content is
> different in Pa crude vs, other crudes.  I though it was less.  But
> then again this could all be urban legend.  Hey you pertroleum
> engineers, help me out!

PA crude is high in paraffin.  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsylvania_Grade_Crude_Oil

http://tigger.uic.edu/~mansoori/Wax.and.Waxy.Crude_html

But that no longer is the reason... at least wasnt for my empirical tests
of QS

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WindsorFox - 19 Mar 2006 05:15 GMT
> If I remember my history both Pennzoil and Quaker State were originally
> refined from Pennsylvania crude.  The wax content is different in Pa crude
> vs, other crudes.  I though it was less.  But then again this could all be
> urban legend.  Hey you pertroleum engineers, help me out!
>
> Dave

   Actually more. They are paraffin based oil as opposed to Exxon and
Texaco etc. which are asphalt based. This is why around the 70's people
would have engines that were kludged up with the varnish like leftovers
of the wax in Quaker State.

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