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So at the car show tonight, the guy doing the schtick for the GT500 says there will be a 2-year run, and 1400 units will be made with a possible max of 1650. Don't know if that's per year or for both years, but it's pitiful either way. Based on this, if you weren't on the waiting list when it first came out, you can forget about ever getting one from Ford. Joe Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC > So at the car show tonight, the guy doing the schtick for the GT500 says > there will be a 2-year run, and 1400 units will be made with a possible > max of 1650. Don't know if that's per year or for both years, but it's > pitiful either way. Based on this, if you weren't on the waiting list > when it first came out, you can forget about ever getting one from Ford. If that is true then I just might be done with Ford all together. They spend the last year getting us all lathered up over the car and if they only make 1500 units (whether a year or total doesn't matter) I'm definitely buying a Z06 or Mercedes. I will probably spend less money and have more car. I hope the guy you talked to was an idiot and really doesn't know the actual production number. This whole GT500 launch is starting to look like a real cluster f**k, IMHO. >> So at the car show tonight, the guy doing the schtick for the GT500 says >> there will be a 2-year run, and 1400 units will be made with a possible [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >doesn't know the actual production number. This whole GT500 launch is >starting to look like a real cluster f**k, IMHO. I have no idea if you will spend less money or which model Mercedes you are considering, but all told I know you get more car either way with your secondary choices. If Ford pulls the same sh.t with the Shelby that they did with the GT they can kiss my fat a.s goodbye as far as a customer goes.  SignatureDecember 9, 2005 (CNN) While interviewing an anonymous US Special Forces soldier, a Reuters News agent asked the soldier what he felt when sniping members of Al Quaeda in Afghanistan. The soldier shrugged and replied, "Recoil." (Possible Urban Legend) >>> So at the car show tonight, the guy doing the schtick for the GT500 >>> says there will be a 2-year run, and 1400 units will be made with a [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Shelby that they did with the GT they can kiss my fat a.s goodbye as > far as a customer goes. The Z06 was one of the most awesome cars there, especially for the price. As MC Hammer used to say, "You can't touch this." The Mercs were nice, but nowhere near as impressive as the Z06. As for the GT500 issue, the easy solution there is to go buy a regular GT, then go visit Steeda, Saleen, or Roush with about $20k in your pocket. BTW, the guy pushing the GT500 talked about the live rear end as an advantage. He just stopped short of dissing IRS. Joe Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC >>>> So at the car show tonight, the guy doing the schtick for the GT500 >>>> says there will be a 2-year run, and 1400 units will be made with a [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > As for the GT500 issue, the easy solution there is to go buy a regular GT, > then go visit Steeda, Saleen, or Roush with about $20k in your pocket. My next high performance car will be that way from the factory. Building a garden variety car into a performer is a real PITA. Been there, done that and my bank account and knuckles have the scars to prove it. For me, the main appeal of the GT500 was its ability to perform in stock trim. The price premiums for the Steeda, Roush and Saleens aren't worth it, IMO, for what you get. If I had to do it I would get a regular GT vert, rebuild the short block to be bullet proof and top it with a KB blower. Then throw on some brakes and a few handling mods. Then you will really have some added performance for your $15k-$20k. > BTW, the guy pushing the GT500 talked about the live rear end as an > advantage. He just stopped short of dissing IRS. If Ford does make the GT500 exclusive and it sells for $60k or more it should damn well have IRS. > As for the GT500 issue, the easy solution there is to go buy a regular GT, > then go visit Steeda, Saleen, or Roush with about $20k in your pocket. Have you actually checked saleen prices? The base S281 With brakes close to the GT500 it's 45K with 330hp. I doubt bringing them a car to convert is going to be much cheaper, maybe with more horsepower... Besides that's ford's game with instant collectables... to get people into the showrooms to buy some lesser ford. >>> So at the car show tonight, the guy doing the schtick for the GT500 says >>> there will be a 2-year run, and 1400 units will be made with a possible [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Shelby that they did with the GT they can kiss my fat a.s goodbye as > far as a customer goes. I would prefer a reasonably priced GT500 for a few reasons. First it is a Mustang and I have been a fan of the car most of my life. Second it can seat four people which is nice. Third, it is a convertible which I can't get in a Z06. This said, my issue is that I will not spend more than $50k for a loaded GT500 convertible and a production run of of less than 3,000 total will guarantee they will sell for close to $60k, IMO. At that price there are too many other cars that are just plain better values. I wouldn't mind them making just a few if they would have said so from the beginning like they did with the "R" Mustangs. I don't mind them maximizing their profit either. That is what businesses do. I just want some straight shooting with us loyal Mustang owners. I have been a loyal Ford owner most of my life. If they start alienating customers like me they are going to have tough times ahead. >>>> So at the car show tonight, the guy doing the schtick for the GT500 >>>> says there will be a 2-year run, and 1400 units will be made with a [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > I don't mind them maximizing their profit either. That is what businesses > do. Ford doesn't maximize anything except resentment from their customers when they contribute to their dealer network scalping their customers, After all, Ford sees none of this mark up. I just want some straight shooting with us loyal Mustang > owners. I have been a loyal Ford owner most of my life. If they start > alienating customers like me they are going to have tough times ahead. Agreed, Ford should maximize on all the investment and hype they have generated with the GT500, and sell enough of them to actually make some money off the project while helping boost their customer loyalty, rather than pissing most of their loyal customers off and ending yet another poorly executed project deeply in the red... I too am a life long Ford customer, as much as I would like a new Shelby GT500, If I'm spending sixty plus thousand, I will be driving a brand spanking new Z06, not a $40,000 Mustang... Joe wrote... > So at the car show tonight, the guy doing the schtick for the GT500 says > there will be a 2-year run, and 1400 units will be made with a possible > max of 1650. Don't know if that's per year or for both years, but it's > pitiful either way. Based on this, if you weren't on the waiting list > when it first came out, you can forget about ever getting one from Ford. http://www.stangsunleashed.com/spandau/owen.int3.0306.wmv Davïd Greenville, NC > Joe wrote... >> So at the car show tonight, the guy doing the schtick for the GT500 says [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > http://www.stangsunleashed.com/spandau/owen.int3.0306.wmv What a bunch of marketing bullshit. The shelby numbers were low because that was the MAXIMUM shelby could build. Ford brought the shelby production more and more inside ford to increase it. Then the production became buyer limited. They either made as many as they could or as many as they could sell which ever was less. That's all I want to see with the GT500, build as many as possible or as many as there are buyers for. Exclusivity my a.s.. it's a mustang, not a bugatti. And another thing, someone should hit this ford guy upside the head with a 1966 Shelby GT350H. Hertz rent-a-car. Sure, you had to join the hertz sports car club which meant you proved you could drive a car with a manual transmission.... Yeah, that's 'exclusive'. I'm not anywhere as knowledgable as real mustang experts (maybe good enough to play one on TV) and I have better grasp of the history than these marketing numb-nuts. Brent P wrote... > And another thing, someone should hit this ford guy upside the head with > a 1966 Shelby GT350H. Hertz rent-a-car. Sure, you had to join the hertz [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > enough to play one on TV) and I have better grasp of the history than > these marketing numb-nuts. A friend of mine had a brown one with gold stripes. Davïd Greenville, NC >> Joe wrote... >>> So at the car show tonight, the guy doing the schtick for the GT500 says [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Exclusivity my a.s.. it's a mustang, not a bugatti. Oh, come on... Exclusivity (besides being an intended absolute) is now a relative term. It's not a Toyota Camry, either. dwight >>> Joe wrote... >>>> So at the car show tonight, the guy doing the schtick for the GT500 [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > dwight dwight, I saw the Jag in your pic in person - simply breathtaking. Lots of people drooling over it as well. Looking at the front end head on, it reminded me of an Aston Martin. Also, the Chevy Nomad concept was there. Very cool, but IIRC the placard said it was a 6-cylinder RWD. Disappointing. Finally saw the Camaro concept in the skin. From the side it's almost awesome, but not quite. The front looks like a Cadillac that someone heavy sat on the nose and pushsed it down; the rear looks like an older Camaro that's had the entire top 1/3 scraped off. Pretty gross. Joe Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC > "Brent P" <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> Exclusivity my a.s.. it's a mustang, not a bugatti. > Oh, come on... > Exclusivity (besides being an intended absolute) is now a relative term. > It's not a Toyota Camry, either. Really? What was the first year production of the mustang? >> "Brent P" <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Really? What was the first year production of the mustang? What's that got to do with anything? Bugatti's lucky to make 150 cars. The GT500 might see 1,500 its first year. The 2004 Toyota Camry sold almost 427,000 in the U.S. in 2004. Relativity is a relative term. dwight >>> "Brent P" <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> >> Really? What was the first year production of the mustang? > What's that got to do with anything? You are arguing that the mustang is realatively exclusive. I am arguing it's a regular production car. > Bugatti's lucky to make 150 cars. But no 'people's model' > The GT500 might see 1,500 its first year. It's a mustang with a bigger engine and bigger brakes, etc and so forth. If ford wants to play instant collectable games, then I buy something else. If I wanted to be in some 'exclusive' club, I know enough that it doesn't come with a ford badge and running horse tri-color. Most people who care about having exclusive products will see it as just another mustang. > The 2004 Toyota Camry sold almost 427,000 in the U.S. in 2004. Not much unlike the 1974 mustang ii (386,000) or the first calender year of production (419,000) > Relativity is a relative term. So I suppose one of 1500 big engined camrys would be 'exclusive'? >>>> "Brent P" <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > You are arguing that the mustang is realatively exclusive. I am arguing > it's a regular production car. I knew you were going there. The GT500 will be just another Mustang... >> Bugatti's lucky to make 150 cars. > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > So I suppose one of 1500 big engined camrys would be 'exclusive'? Relatively. And welcome, too. dwight > I knew you were going there. The GT500 will be just another Mustang... It's another mustang. More power, some better braking, better handling, but it's still a mustang. The dealers want people to lose sight of that so they'll pay 60K for it. A mustang, no matter what ford does to it won't be an exclusive car. Most people will see it on the road as just another mustang. Just like a big engined camry would appear as just another camry and the Taurus SHO as just another Taurus. >> I knew you were going there. The GT500 will be just another Mustang... > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > another mustang. Just like a big engined camry would appear as just > another camry and the Taurus SHO as just another Taurus. Yeah. When I finally realized that I'd never have Heather Locklear, she became "just another blonde" to me. dwight >>> I knew you were going there. The GT500 will be just another Mustang... >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Yeah. When I finally realized that I'd never have Heather Locklear, she > became "just another blonde" to me. Always just another blonde that TV told us was what we should want. >>>> I knew you were going there. The GT500 will be just another Mustang... >>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Always just another blonde that TV told us was what we should want. My point exactly. It's easy to say that NOW... And, now that I know I probably will never own one, I can safely say that the GT500 is just another Mustang. dwight Joe wrote... > So at the car show tonight, the guy doing the schtick for the GT500 says > there will be a 2-year run, and 1400 units will be made with a possible > max of 1650. Don't know if that's per year or for both years, but it's > pitiful either way. Based on this, if you weren't on the waiting list > when it first came out, you can forget about ever getting one from Ford. Another quote from a moderator of a forum whom claims to work on the Mustang assembly line... "there will be no axz plan pricing on the gt500's, harley davidson edition trucks or the Ford GT. we will be building 5 an hour for a total of about 90 a day. between 2 10 hour shifts. we expect to build between 10-12,000 of these GT500's as long as we have the motors and transmissions ect ect." Davïd Greenville, NC > So at the car show tonight, the guy doing the schtick for the GT500 says > there will be a 2-year run, and 1400 units will be made with a possible > max of 1650. Don't know if that's per year or for both years, but it's > pitiful either way. Based on this, if you weren't on the waiting list > when it first came out, you can forget about ever getting one from Ford. That's different than it was at the chicago auto show... he guy was still taking make-them-as-they-can-be-sold then. Now it's ford's usual instant collectable crap. >> So at the car show tonight, the guy doing the schtick for the GT500 >> says there will be a 2-year run, and 1400 units will be made with a [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > still taking make-them-as-they-can-be-sold then. Now it's ford's usual > instant collectable crap. All I know is that's what the "official" guy said, which shocked the hell out of me. I watched that little video from David's post, and the marketing moron simply said that the exclusivity was part of the whole SVT thing - he didn't talk actual numbers at all. The bottom line here is that I seriously doubt that you'll be able to walk into a Ford showroom and order one up like you can a Big Mac Value Meal. Another c**k-teaser from Ford. Joe Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC >>> So at the car show tonight, the guy doing the schtick for the GT500 >>> says there will be a 2-year run, and 1400 units will be made with a [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > marketing moron simply said that the exclusivity was part of the whole > SVT thing - he didn't talk actual numbers at all. Exclusivity has never been associated with SVT. They make a hoard of '03-'04 Cobras among other SVT cars like the Focus, Contour, Lightning etc. Like I said earlier, I don't mind them making it exclusive but they should say that from the start and be truthful and consistent. It looks like they are trying to turn the GT500 into another Ford GT type of release. Like I said, if they do this I will likely not buy another Ford. > The bottom line here is that I seriously doubt that you'll be able to > walk into a Ford showroom and order one up like you can a Big Mac Value > Meal. Another c**k-teaser from Ford. "Michael Johnson, PE" <cds@erols.com> wrote in news:n8idnaBPnrRQCYDZRVn- pA@giganews.com: >>>> So at the car show tonight, the guy doing the schtick for the GT500 >>>> says there will be a 2-year run, and 1400 units will be made with a [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Exclusivity has never been associated with SVT. You'll have to tell that to the Ford guy in David's video. He espoused otherwise. > They make a hoard of > '03-'04 Cobras among other SVT cars like the Focus, Contour, Lightning [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > of release. Like I said, if they do this I will likely not buy another > Ford. At this point, my theory is that they're barely breaking even, or even losing money on every GT500 if they go for the advertised $40-45k (that's what the "official" guy said). It's in their best interest to keep production as low as possible to minimize their loss. > At this point, my theory is that they're barely breaking even, or even > losing money on every GT500 if they go for the advertised $40-45k (that's > what the "official" guy said). It's in their best interest to keep > production as low as possible to minimize their loss. I don't see how it would be possible for them not be making money on each one unit cost wise. The MSRP of 40K is more than enough to make a profit on the car. I don't think there is 15K worth of special parts at factory cost after subtracting out the regular GT stuff in the car, and even if there was, they would still have the same dollar value of profit they do on the GT. The only way they would be losing money is from the inclusion of tooling and development money and dividing those dollars over a small number of units. So, the solution is simple, build as many as can be sold and divide those costs over more cars so it is profitable. >> At this point, my theory is that they're barely breaking even, or >> even losing money on every GT500 if they go for the advertised [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > build as many as can be sold and divide those costs over more cars so > it is profitable. An MBA can make anything lose money... Usually even when they dont intend to... ;) SignatureYeh, I'm a Krusty old Geezer, putting up with my 'smartass' is the price you pay..DEAL with it! >> At this point, my theory is that they're barely breaking even, or >> even losing money on every GT500 if they go for the advertised [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > build as many as can be sold and divide those costs over more cars so > it is profitable. I can't figure out why they'd keep production that low if they weren't losing money on the car, unless this is just more of Ford's "exclusive" marketing. Almost forgot - the "official" guy at the show said the tranny was from the FR500, so that's got to be a few big $$ right there, eh? And I wonder how much Ford had to pay Shelby to use his name on the trunk lid. > Almost forgot - the "official" guy at the show said the tranny was from > the FR500, so that's got to be a few big $$ right there, eh? Ford buys them anyway... there should be little to nothing in development cost to ford as it's an existing transmission from one of the big transmission manufacturers. I forget which. >> Almost forgot - the "official" guy at the show said the tranny was from >> the FR500, so that's got to be a few big $$ right there, eh? > > Ford buys them anyway... there should be little to nothing in development > cost to ford as it's an existing transmission from one of the big > transmission manufacturers. I forget which. Tremec T-56 6 speed Manual > "Michael Johnson, PE" <cds@erols.com> wrote in news:n8idnaBPnrRQCYDZRVn- > pA@giganews.com: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > You'll have to tell that to the Ford guy in David's video. He espoused > otherwise. Was it just me or did that interview look like a skit from Saturday Night Live? >> They make a hoard of >> '03-'04 Cobras among other SVT cars like the Focus, Contour, Lightning [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > what the "official" guy said). It's in their best interest to keep > production as low as possible to minimize their loss. If Ford did such a poor job of planning for this vehicle that they can't make money from it selling at $40k-$50k then they are in far bigger trouble than I realized. I hope all this is wrong but I have a feeling it isn't. >> "Michael Johnson, PE" <cds@erols.com> wrote in >> news:n8idnaBPnrRQCYDZRVn- pA@giganews.com: [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Was it just me or did that interview look like a skit from Saturday > Night Live? LOL! I wanted to pop that guy. What a weasel. >>> They make a hoard of >>> '03-'04 Cobras among other SVT cars like the Focus, Contour, [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > bigger trouble than I realized. I hope all this is wrong but I have a > feeling it isn't. I hope it's all wrong too, but there's just too much bullsh*t floating around now. Guess we'll have to wait until it all shakes out. Michael Johnson wrote... > Was it just me or did that interview look like a skit from Saturday > Night Live? I concur as I questioned the validity when I first saw it, even checked the properties. Before I posted it here, I read what was being said about it on another forum. It seemed to be on the up and up. Davïd Greenville, NC > Michael Johnson wrote... >> Was it just me or did that interview look like a skit from Saturday >> Night Live? > > I concur as I questioned the validity when I first saw it, even checked the properties. Before I posted it here, I read what was being said about it on another forum. It seemed to be on the up and up. It just doesn't look like an interview that Ford would want out to the public. Definitely a low budget piece of work. Plus, as Joe said, the Ford guy comes across as a complete a.s. Actually, SVT's 4 key hallmarks were exclusivity, value, substance, performance...this was commonly mentioned in the brochures. Compared to the standard vehicles they came from, there were always fewer, even if they did not make the sales numbers that Ford projected and we saw as a "hoard". > Exclusivity has never been associated with SVT. They make a hoard of > '03-'04 Cobras among other SVT cars like the Focus, Contour, Lightning [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > type of release. Like I said, if they do this I will likely not buy > another Ford. With previous SVT vehicles Ford, more or less, made enough to meet market demand which kept the sales prices at reasonable levels. IMO, exclusive is what Ford did with the "R" Mustangs. They stated a production figure and held to it. Prices were very high with them but that was to be expected with production runs of less than 500 vehicles. How many times since last summer has Ford spouted how the GT500 will be at a $40k price point? I have heard, and read, it more times than I can count. The marketing gurus at Ford aren't stupid and they know limiting production will make any MSRP they quote useless. Ford needs to make around 5,000-7,000 a year to reasonably meet demand. This would insure the GT500 would be a $40k Mustang. There is no reason they can't make this happen and if they don't then they have lied to all of us since last summer. > Actually, SVT's 4 key hallmarks were exclusivity, value, substance, > performance...this was commonly mentioned in the brochures. Compared to [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> type of release. Like I said, if they do this I will likely not buy >> another Ford. > So at the car show tonight, the guy doing the schtick for the GT500 says > there will be a 2-year run, and 1400 units will be made with a possible > max of 1650. Don't know if that's per year or for both years, but it's > pitiful either way. Based on this, if you weren't on the waiting list > when it first came out, you can forget about ever getting one from Ford. Don't forget, these are the same marketing wizards who "predicted" a severe shortage of 2004 MY Mustangs. (never happened) Creating hype about limited production/availability is a "sure-fire" way to fuel a feeding frenzy in the showroom. (ask any marketing wizard) ; ) Personally, I'm gonna sit this one out 'till the dust settles. Far too much bull$hit being spread around from Ford at the moment. -- John C. '03 Cobra Convt. Joe wrote... > So at the car show tonight, the guy doing the schtick for the GT500 says > there will be a 2-year run, and 1400 units will be made with a possible > max of 1650. Don't know if that's per year or for both years, but it's > pitiful either way. Based on this, if you weren't on the waiting list > when it first came out, you can forget about ever getting one from Ford. There will be plenty of Shelby GT500's to go around and yes, the likelihood of walking on a dealer's lot and buying one will be pretty good. First off, not as many people are able to purchase a $40,000+ hi-performance car as easily as they can purchase a $25,000+ sports car. Financing gets in the way for some, others cannot get insurance when financing is approved. This ugly fact will whittle down the pool of potential buyers. Comparing the recent Mach 1 production numbers, Ford planned to produce approximately 6,500 of the 2003 Mach 1. Well, they actually built 9,652 units for 2003 and 7,182 for 2004. As you are all to familiar, there were unsold Mach 1's sitting on many dealer's lots; and that was a $29,500 car. Sure people will pay a dealer mark-up and/or surcharge to be the first to own a Shelby GT500. Good for them. I am willing to wait to pay M.S.R.P. or less with discounts and incentatives. I paid invoice minus $3,500 for a 2004 Azure Blue Mach 1 and feel confident I can do it again. As for the Shelby GT500 becoming a collector's item, that will be years down the road and the future price of oil and/or technology may erode it's potential value. Point in case, my 2004 Mach 1 isn't commanding a premuim price the the reseller's market right now. My 2¢ Davïd Greenville, NC >Joe wrote... >> So at the car show tonight, the guy doing the schtick for the GT500 says [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Davïd > Greenville, NC One big issue with the Mach 1's, especially the 2004's is everybody knew what the `05 was going to look like and the buzz that was being generated over it. My local dealer had a primo `04 Yellow Mach 1 on the lot that I almost bought at a deal better then yours. Unfortunately I was in dire need of a truck and decided truck now, `05 later. Well the `05 model year came & went without me being able to cut a deal on one any better then MSRP so I passed. Perhaps I should have bought that Mach I, but then I wouldn't have had any monies as I needed to Truck to generate revenue. SignatureDecember 9, 2005 (CNN) While interviewing an anonymous US Special Forces soldier, a Reuters News agent asked the soldier what he felt when sniping members of Al Quaeda in Afghanistan. The soldier shrugged and replied, "Recoil." (Possible Urban Legend) |
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