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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Mustang / March 2006About both SVT, 'Global' makeup and the Camaro
http://automotive-links.mustangv8.com/RSS- directory/Blogs/mode=display/id=3.html This is the best photo of the concept Camaro I've seen to date ... and it shows exactly why I dont like the front end design. A built-in 'SMIRK' as it were... It puts into plastic the opinion I have of most GM drivers on the road; flashes of 'Earnhardt-itis', even sans '03' decal, and Calvin peeing on the Blue Oval. Thus I'm pretty sure that's what the nose will look like The text, to me, is gob-smacked: "The good news for GM is that the architecture--while hardly cutting edge--is far more sophisticated than the live-axle Mustang." - Heh! As if it's gonna take a major redesign to bolt IRS and double control arms front suspension into the current Mustang platform! And leading to that: " it will use the so-called Zeta Lite architecture that will be shared with Holden in Australia." - Hmmm... reckon they'll be smarter about it, this time? At least the WRITER acknowledges they have to come up with an appealing base model in order to pay for the Muscle version... but IMO, that nose is gonna have to be toned down a bit.  SignatureYeh, I'm a Krusty old Geezer, putting up with my 'smartass' is optional... if you buy the 09 Camaro, evidently putting up with GM's "smartass" is manadatory. This car will sell like hotcakes. I wouldn't change a thing. I think once you see it on the street, and it comes rumbling up behind you with that smoking 400hp LS2 motor under the hood, that look of that grill will change to mencing. Patrick > http://automotive-links.mustangv8.com/RSS-directory/Blogs/mode=display/id=3.html > This is the best photo of the concept Camaro I've seen to date ... and it > shows exactly why I dont like the front end design. A built-in 'SMIRK' [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > optional... if you buy the 09 Camaro, evidently putting up with GM's > "smartass" is manadatory. > This car will sell like hotcakes. I wouldn't change a thing. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Patrick Do you suppose that GM would really release the V8 Camaro with 400 horses, or would they "tune it down" for mass production? dwight > Do you suppose that GM would really release the V8 Camaro with 400 > horses, or would they "tune it down" for mass production? I AM assuming you DONT mean that if you get a v8 it will be 400hp. They will put as many horses into the high PERF model as they need to to get a clear edge against the high side Mustang. SignatureYeh, I'm a Krusty old Geezer, putting up with my 'smartass' is the price you pay..DEAL with it! > > This car will sell like hotcakes. I wouldn't change a thing. > > I think once you see it on the street, and it comes rumbling up behind > > you with that smoking 400hp LS2 motor under the hood, that look of that > > grill will change to mencing. > Do you suppose that GM would really release the V8 Camaro with 400 horses, > or would they "tune it down" for mass production? Hi, dwight! It'll match up with the top dog Mustang and Challenger so you can bank on around 400. Though I think the "official rating" will be 5 or 10 horses below the standard Vette... you know GM's rule, can't piss off the Vette owners. I also think there are a lot of Chevy owners, who won't buy a Ford or Dodge, just waiting for a new Camaro. Patrick >> > This car will sell like hotcakes. I wouldn't change a thing. > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Patrick Hi, yo'self. It wasn't that long ago that we were talking about niche marketing among the Big Three. Apparently, that was a bad idea, since the Big Three are getting smaller every day. Hell, Ford is desperate for a new Taurus, something they can sell a million of (not 50,000). I'm afraid that this new Camaro, no matter what its HP rating is, won't repay GM's investment. Unlike the Mustang and Challenger, this Camaro prototype has a bit of a "controversial" look - either love it or hate it - and I don't see that helping. Gasoline went up 22 cents last week for no apparent reason. I don't know... I just don't see throngs of credit-worthy buyers lining up to buy this new Camaro. I hope I'm wrong; I hope it sells very well. I just don't see it. In the end, it may prove to the execs that American niche design is a losing proposition - that a global one-size-fits-all approach is the way to go. dwight Actually, I think just the opposite is true...if the underpinnings are made from an adaptable platform, being able to come up with appealing style for smaller markets is a strength, assuming it can be done in a cost-effective, don't-lose-money manner. The previous Ford Mondeo (Contour) was an example of a global one-size-fits-all approach that did not work. > I hope I'm wrong; I hope it sells very well. I just >don't see it. In the end, it may prove to the execs that American niche [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >dwight > > Actually, I think just the opposite is true...if the underpinnings are > made from an adaptable platform, being able to come up with appealing [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > The previous Ford Mondeo (Contour) was an example of a global > one-size-fits-all approach that did not work. It always seemed to me that Contour looked TOO MUCH like a Taurus. SignatureYeh, I'm a Krusty old Geezer, putting up with my 'smartass' is the price you pay..DEAL with it! >> Actually, I think just the opposite is true...if the underpinnings are >> made from an adaptable platform, being able to come up with appealing [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > It always seemed to me that Contour looked TOO MUCH like a Taurus. My daughter still drives my wife's old '99 Mercury Mystique. On the inside, it's actually quite nice! But, yes, a mini-Taurus... :() >> It always seemed to me that Contour looked TOO MUCH like a Taurus. > > My daughter still drives my wife's old '99 Mercury Mystique. On the > inside, it's actually quite nice! But, yes, a mini-Taurus... I dunno. I liked it. Especially the SVT version. Wish I could get my hands on one. All the reviews I read about it said it was more fun to drive than the Cobra. SignatureScott W. '68 Ranchero 500 302 '69 Mustang Sportsroof 351W ThunderSnake #57 http://home.comcast.net/~vanguard92/ >>> It always seemed to me that Contour looked TOO MUCH like a Taurus. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > on one. All the reviews I read about it said it was more fun to drive than > the Cobra. I'm sorry... SAY WHAT?!? Did some paid automotive reviewer actually say that? I'd have to see it to believe it. dwight > SAY WHAT?!? Did some paid automotive reviewer actually say that? > > I'd have to see it to believe it. I can't remember who wrote it, but I distinctly remember reading two separate reviews of the first SVT Contour which said that they'd rather drive the SVT Contour than the Cobra. Said it was simply more fun to drive and handled more nimbly. Obviously not the same power, but more fun for canyon carving and for trips. A Bimmer beater. SignatureScott W. '68 Ranchero 500 302 '69 Mustang Sportsroof 351W ThunderSnake #57 http://home.comcast.net/~vanguard92/ >> SAY WHAT?!? Did some paid automotive reviewer actually say that? >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > and handled more nimbly. Obviously not the same power, but more fun for > canyon carving and for trips. A Bimmer beater. I have driven a 1998 Contour with the peppy Duratech V-6 and a 5-speed and found it to a fun little car. I can imagine that the SVT version with better braking and handling would have been a very fun ride. >>> SAY WHAT?!? Did some paid automotive reviewer actually say that? >>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >and found it to a fun little car. I can imagine that the SVT version >with better braking and handling would have been a very fun ride. Trivia -- A google search on "Duratech engines" brings up Contour's as the very first hit. SignatureThis is not The Land of Do-As-You Please Remember, remember, the 5th of November! >>>> SAY WHAT?!? Did some paid automotive reviewer actually say that? >>>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Trivia -- A google search on "Duratech engines" brings up Contour's as > the very first hit. I figured it would be "Taurus". > I have driven a 1998 Contour with the peppy Duratech V-6 and a > 5-speed and found it to a fun little car. I can imagine that the > SVT version with better braking and handling would have been a very > fun ride. I've driven what you could call it's predecessor. The euro equivalent of an SVT product. The Sierra (Euro eq. of the Tempo) Cosworth XR. Talk about seriously fun HP and handling. I believe for a short while these were imported and sold in the USA. Forgot what they were called, not Sierra though. Signature_ 1995 Mustang V6 Coupe (Bright Blue) |_| Member Modern Mustangs of North America (MMNA) |__|ofh@tampabay.rr.com http://mustang.fdns.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > I've driven what you could call it's predecessor. The euro equivalent > of an SVT product. The Sierra (Euro eq. of the Tempo) Only from a marketing segment standpoint. > Cosworth XR. Talk > about seriously fun HP and handling. I believe for a short while these > were imported and sold in the USA. Forgot what they were called, not > Sierra though. Mekur XR4Ti ? ? ? >> about seriously fun HP and handling. I believe for a short while >> these were imported and sold in the USA. Forgot what they were >> called, not Sierra though. > Mekur XR4Ti ? ? ? That's it Merkur XR4TI, Merkur is German for Mercury... Signature_ 1995 Mustang V6 Coupe (Bright Blue) |_| Member Modern Mustangs of North America (MMNA) |__|ofh@tampabay.rr.com http://mustang.fdns.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > That's it Merkur XR4TI, Merkur is German for Mercury... That was back in what? 1983? One interesting sidenote about the Xr4Ti is that the double wing spoiler used on it was later used on the SVO's and was functional. SignatureScott W. '68 Ranchero 500 302 '69 Mustang Sportsroof 351W ThunderSnake #57 http://home.comcast.net/~vanguard92/ >> That's it Merkur XR4TI, Merkur is German for Mercury... > >That was back in what? 1983? >One interesting sidenote about the Xr4Ti is that the double wing spoiler >used on it was later used on the SVO's and was functional. All wings are functional, some just as art. SignatureThis is not The Land of Do-As-You Please Remember, remember, the 5th of November! >>One interesting sidenote about the Xr4Ti is that the double wing spoiler >>used on it was later used on the SVO's and was functional. >> > All wings are functional, some just as art. Point taken, but you knew what I meant. At least it wasn't a wooden bench attached with woodscrews to the rear deck. lol SignatureScott W. '68 Ranchero 500 302 '69 Mustang Sportsroof 351W ThunderSnake #57 http://home.comcast.net/~vanguard92/ >>>One interesting sidenote about the Xr4Ti is that the double wing spoiler >>>used on it was later used on the SVO's and was functional. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Point taken, but you knew what I meant. At least it wasn't a wooden bench >attached with woodscrews to the rear deck. lol I was just being a smartass. Dry humor and all that. SignatureThis is not The Land of Do-As-You Please Remember, remember, the 5th of November! >>>>One interesting sidenote about the Xr4Ti is that the double wing spoiler >>>>used on it was later used on the SVO's and was functional. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> > I was just being a smartass. Dry humor and all that. Dry as the desert. I'm into Mony Python myself. :) SignatureScott W. '68 Ranchero 500 302 '69 Mustang Sportsroof 351W ThunderSnake #57 http://home.comcast.net/~vanguard92/ > I have driven a 1998 Contour with the peppy Duratech V-6 and a 5-speed and > found it to a fun little car. I can imagine that the SVT version with > better braking and handling would have been a very fun ride. And they bumped the engine specs too. Forged internals IIRC. SignatureScott W. '68 Ranchero 500 302 '69 Mustang Sportsroof 351W ThunderSnake #57 http://home.comcast.net/~vanguard92/ >> I have driven a 1998 Contour with the peppy Duratech V-6 and a 5-speed and >> found it to a fun little car. I can imagine that the SVT version with >> better braking and handling would have been a very fun ride. > > And they bumped the engine specs too. Forged internals IIRC. Our Taurus has the 3.0L Duratech and it is surprisingly quick. It definitely has some decent upper rpm pull. <snip> >Hi, yo'self. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Gasoline went up 22 cents last week for no apparent reason. Yeah, what's up with that? >I don't know... I just don't see throngs of credit-worthy buyers lining up >to buy this new Camaro. I hope I'm wrong; I hope it sells very well. I just >don't see it. In the end, it may prove to the execs that American niche >design is a losing proposition - that a global one-size-fits-all approach is >the way to go. While from a cost of production standpoint it maybe the way to go, as long as there is one manufacturer (and I don't care who) that is still catering to American design & tastes, they are going to get my business. Is the new Mustang as big a hit in Europe & Asia as it is here? Signature"Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites. Moderation is for monks." ZombyWoof (take the dogs when replying via e-mail) > This car will sell like hotcakes. I wouldn't change a thing. > > I think once you see it on the street, and it comes rumbling up behind > you with that smoking 400hp LS2 motor under the hood, that look of > that grill will change to mencing. What do you think I was saying? Why didnt that smoke and fire commercial sell trans ams? Why didnt the TransAm Design sell transams? I think I think Global and high level... I think you like sharktooth appliques in grills of Mack Semi Tractors... now THAT is menacing! ;) SignatureYeh, I'm a Krusty old Geezer, putting up with my 'smartass' is the price you pay..DEAL with it! > > This car will sell like hotcakes. I wouldn't change a thing. > > I think once you see it on the street, and it comes rumbling up behind > > you with that smoking 400hp LS2 motor under the hood, that look of > > that grill will change to mencing. > What do you think I was saying? You don't like the looks of its grill. > Why didnt that smoke and fire commercial sell trans ams? Why didnt the > TransAm Design sell transams? Because that body style had tons of problems -- sloping windshield, cat hump, bathtub driving position, long doors, etc. > I think I think Global and high level... > I think you like sharktooth appliques in grills of Mack Semi Tractors... > now THAT is menacing! I say give that new Camaro time to grow on you. I didn't like the initial photos of the '99 Mustang with it's larger scoops, but once I saw it in person it looked okay. Same with the '87 GT. Patrick NoOption5L@aol.com wrote in news:1143258009.690348.115030 @v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com: >> > This car will sell like hotcakes. I wouldn't change a thing. > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Patrick I just saw it in person last week at the auto show, and it's not good. The side view is ok, but as BM says, the front is awful. Reminded me of a Cadillac that someone heavy sat on the front end and pushed it down. The rear looks like someone shaved off the top third of an older Camaro. And if it's going to have a Corvette motor, the car will have to weigh much more than the Corvette. |
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