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Ford's New V8 Going To Rock You Like A Hurricane!
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NoOption5L@aol.com - 27 Mar 2006 01:32 GMT The Hurricane is back.
A year after Ford Motor Co. killed its planned Hemi-fighting V-8 to the dismay of horsepower junkies, Ford Americas group chief Mark Fields has put the high-performance engine back in the company's product pipeline, according to sources familiar with the project.
Fields revived the engine three months ago as part of a new restructuring plan for the automaker. The decision offers a telling insight into how serious Fields is about shaking things up at Ford, underscoring his repeated assertions that nothing is off the table when it comes to reshaping the automaker's troubled North American auto operations, which lost $1.6 billion last year.
Ford nixed the Hurricane project because of concerns about development costs and rising gasoline prices. Now, Fields has decided that maintaining Ford's leadership in the pickup truck market against mounting challenges from rivals General Motors Corp. and DaimlerChrysler AG's Chrysler Group trumps those concerns.
Many analysts were dismayed by Ford's decision to halt development of the Hurricane, which will likely get a new name before hitting the market.
"It was a dumb program to kill," said Jim Hall, an analyst with AutoPacific in Southfield. Hall said Ford got spooked by soaring fuel prices last spring, which seemed to spell bad news for thirsty high-horsepower engines. However, he said long-term analysis shows that, while demand for big engines may ebb and flow as a result of gasoline prices or other factors, it remains steady over time.
Erich Merkle, a brand analyst with IRN Inc. in Grand Rapids, is not surprised Ford decided to revive the Hurricane.
"They've got to do something from a powertrain perspective if they're going to hold on to the F-series' lead," he said, noting that both GM and Chrysler have more powerful engines on the market, particularly in their trucks and sport utilities.
"Ford has nothing," Merkle said. "Without those bigger options, they are going to have a hard time competing."
Ford does have some big engines, but none that can compete with the 425-horsepower 6.1-liter Hemi or the 403-horsepower Vortec that will equip the 2007 Cadillac Escalade SUV. With its 300-horsepower Triton, Ford's2007 Lincoln Navigator will have a hard time keeping up with the Escalade.
When it comes to engines, few have captured the public's imagination like Chrysler's Hemi.
The Hemi's roots go back to the 1950s, but the vaunted powerhouse disappeared from production cars in 1974, a victim of new government fuel economy requirements. Chrysler reintroduced a new Hemi in the 2003 Dodge Ram Heavy Duty pickup.
Ford wants theHurricane to more than a match these engines and help ensure the automaker stays on top of the hotly-contested truck segment. As Chrysler has shown with Hemi, however, automakers also can command a price premium for high-performance powertrains. That means the Hurricane could help Ford's bottom line.
Merkle said Ford's Cleveland casting plant has received orders for a new 6.2-liter engine block, with work to begin next year.
"We believe that would be the Hurricane," he said.
However, the Hurricane is not likely to make landfall before 2008. It will probably debut in Ford's F-series pickups. A team has visited Ford's Dearborn Truck factory, where F-150s are made, to assess what changes will be needed to accommodate the new engine on the line there.
But sources say the Hurricane also will be used in other platforms.
NoOp Comment: You can bet one platform will be the Mustang to ensure it matches up with two upcoming pony cars -- i.e. 6.1L Challenger and 6.0L Camaro. Paraphasing a line in the movie Animal House, 'Oh man, this is going to be good!'
While Ford's engine may not incorporate the sort of cylinder deactivation system found in the Hemi and Vortec, sources say it will offer similar fuel economy.
Other approaches that could be used to realize these gains include using the sort of multi-valve systems found on some German engines.
Whatever method Ford employs, the emphasis will remain on horsepower.
Patrick
John - 27 Mar 2006 01:39 GMT If they plan to rename the Hurricane for release, why not simply call it the "Cleveland" or better yet, "Cobra Jet"! Instantly recognizable to those who also recognized the "hemi" moniker
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Ritz - 27 Mar 2006 02:07 GMT > If they plan to rename the Hurricane for release, why not simply call it the > "Cleveland" or better yet, "Cobra Jet"! > Instantly recognizable to those who also recognized the "hemi" moniker Because that would make too much sense. 8-)
NoOption5L@aol.com - 27 Mar 2006 02:20 GMT > If they plan to rename the Hurricane for release, why not simply call it the > "Cleveland" I don't think "Cleveland" would resonate with too many modern buyers, because the name doesn't have a long storied past like the Hemi did. However, in the future, I'll bet a few new Mustang owners refer to their Hurricane's as Clevelands.
> or better yet, "Cobra Jet"! Not for the engine name itself, but perhaps for the high-output package.
> Instantly recognizable to those who also recognized the "hemi" moniker John,
I think Ford is finally fully in touch with what makes a Mustang a Mustang. I think we'll see a whole slew of novelty Mustangs in the future.
Patrick
Joe - 27 Mar 2006 02:34 GMT >> If they plan to rename the Hurricane for release, why not simply call >> it the "Cleveland" [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Patrick a) The only hurricanes we'll see soon are ones like we saw last year. Katrina and Wilma to name two.
b) The only thing Ford is in touch with is the fact that they're sinking right along side GM.
c) If we start seeing "novelty" Mustangs, it'll be simply because Ford needs to capitalize on the only decent car they make.
NoOption5L@aol.com - 27 Mar 2006 03:33 GMT Oh ye, of little faith...
Let's go back 10 years ago. Back then did we think there was a snowball's chance in hell we'd ever see a new:
Bullitt Mustang Mach 1 Supercharged Cobra Mustang, and one putting out 400 HP GT-40 (Ford GT) True retro-style Mustang ('05) 300HP in the standard GT Mustang Shelby Mustang (GT-500)
C'mon, Joe. Give Ford some credit. Yeah, financially they're getting their butt kicked right now, but at least they're fighting back. A lucky us, part of their fight is for us enthusiasts.
Patrick
> >> If they plan to rename the Hurricane for release, why not simply call > >> it the "Cleveland" [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > c) If we start seeing "novelty" Mustangs, it'll be simply because Ford > needs to capitalize on the only decent car they make. Brent P - 27 Mar 2006 04:25 GMT > Oh ye, of little faith... > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > their butt kicked right now, but at least they're fighting back. A > lucky us, part of their fight is for us enthusiasts. I think Joe has it pretty close, Ford makes the special mustangs because it's the only passenger car they make under the ford brand for north america that people actually want to buy.
The Ford GT is a fluke for special connected people with big wallets. I still contend that if Ford was actually serious about it as a production car it would have at least been in the viper/911 price range.
I still think ford would be well served to bring their aussie cars over.
Blue Mesteno - 27 Mar 2006 04:33 GMT > I still think ford would be well served to bring their aussie cars over. That Falcon does kick a.s!
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Michael Johnson, PE - 27 Mar 2006 04:39 GMT As bad as things are for Ford right now they are nowhere near as bad as they were for them in the late 1970s and early 1980s. If they could get out of that mess they should be able to do the same now. Funny because back then one of the first of their models to mark the comeback was the 1979 Mustang. I'm not ready to start eulogizing them just yet.
> Oh ye, of little faith... > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Patrick Brent P - 27 Mar 2006 05:20 GMT > As bad as things are for Ford right now they are nowhere near as bad as > they were for them in the late 1970s and early 1980s. If they could get > out of that mess they should be able to do the same now. Funny because > back then one of the first of their models to mark the comeback was the > 1979 Mustang. I'm not ready to start eulogizing them just yet. That fits the theory pretty well... remember how just about everything ended up on the 'fox' platform? Tbird, granada, cougar, mustang, LTD, fairmont, etc...Lots of variants of the car platform that was selling...
Joe - 27 Mar 2006 14:04 GMT NoOption5L@aol.com wrote in news:1143426783.172763.326080 @i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
> Oh ye, of little faith... > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Patrick Frankly, I'm tired of the rhetoric I keep hearing. Ford is like the boy who cried wolf. As I've always said, show me the product. What happened to the Adrenaline and Lightning as a couple of examples? Excuses abound...
>> >> If they plan to rename the Hurricane for release, why not simply call >> >> it the "Cleveland" [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >> c) If we start seeing "novelty" Mustangs, it'll be simply because Ford >> needs to capitalize on the only decent car they make. NoOption5L@aol.com - 28 Mar 2006 03:21 GMT > > Oh ye, of little faith...
> > Let's go back 10 years ago. Back then did we think there was a > > snowball's chance in hell we'd ever see a new:
> > Bullitt Mustang > > Mach 1 [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > 300HP in the standard GT Mustang > > Shelby Mustang (GT-500)
> > C'mon, Joe. Give Ford some credit. Yeah, financially they're getting > > their butt kicked right now, but at least they're fighting back. A > > lucky us, part of their fight is for us enthusiasts.
> Frankly, I'm tired of the rhetoric I keep hearing. Ford is like the boy > who cried wolf. As I've always said, show me the product. What > happened to the Adrenaline and Lightning as a couple of examples? > Excuses abound... Here are my thoughts:
A new Lightening wouldn't have been able to compete with Dodge's Viper truck. The new F150 platform was heavier than the previous design, making it too heavy for the blown undercubed 5.4 to reliably make the necessary horsepower. So instead of playing second fiddle to Dodge in a very small niche market Ford decided to pull out.
I'm also pissed about the Adrenaline. I loved the concept model! That would have been one kick-a.s little truck! The only thing I can think of was timing. I think when the decision came to either do it or not do it was about the time gas prices were starting to soar. I think those $2-$3 a gallon prices scared a few execs into playing it safe and wait and see where prices were going to stabilize at.
At least this is what I hope happened. Anyways, if this doesn't soothe it over for you stay positive and imagine a new 6.2 liter Mustang in your driveway. ;-)
Patrick
> >> >> If they plan to rename the Hurricane for release, why not simply > call [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > Ford > >> needs to capitalize on the only decent car they make. Joe - 29 Mar 2006 16:49 GMT NoOption5L@aol.com wrote in news:1143512470.740909.25030 @v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com:
>> > Oh ye, of little faith... > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > necessary horsepower. So instead of playing second fiddle to Dodge in > a very small niche market Ford decided to pull out. And Ford didn't realize this before they let the cat out of the bag? Either way, it's the SOS - a day late and a dollar short.
> I'm also pissed about the Adrenaline. I loved the concept model! That > would have been one kick-a.s little truck! The only thing I can think > of was timing. I think when the decision came to either do it or not > do it was about the time gas prices were starting to soar. I think > those $2-$3 a gallon prices scared a few execs into playing it safe and > wait and see where prices were going to stabilize at. That logic holds true for any hipo vehicle, let alone the sport truck. If anything, trucks are more popular than ever.
So why can GM put out something like the Trailblazer SS and Ford stumbles over the Adrenaline faux pas?
> At least this is what I hope happened. Anyways, if this doesn't soothe > it over for you stay positive and imagine a new 6.2 liter Mustang in > your driveway. ;-) > > Patrick I hope you're right, but I'll believe it when I see it. Right now I can wander over to my Dodge dealer and look at a 6.1 liter Charger or Magnum.
>> >> >> If they plan to rename the Hurricane for release, why not simply >> call [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] >> Ford >> >> needs to capitalize on the only decent car they make. NoOption5L@aol.com - 30 Mar 2006 03:48 GMT > >> > Oh ye, of little faith... > > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > necessary horsepower. So instead of playing second fiddle to Dodge in > > a very small niche market Ford decided to pull out.
> And Ford didn't realize this before they let the cat out of the bag? > Either way, it's the SOS - a day late and a dollar short. They kind of got caught with only a having a 5.4 to play with, like they did back in '93 when GM upped the ante with the 275 HP, LT1 powered F-bodies and Ford only had the smaller 302/5-liter available for the Mustang.
> > I'm also pissed about the Adrenaline. I loved the concept model! That > > would have been one kick-a.s little truck! The only thing I can think > > of was timing. I think when the decision came to either do it or not > > do it was about the time gas prices were starting to soar. I think > > those $2-$3 a gallon prices scared a few execs into playing it safe and > > wait and see where prices were going to stabilize at.
> That logic holds true for any hipo vehicle, let alone the sport truck. If > anything, trucks are more popular than ever. Yes, in hindsight the choice was clear.
> So why can GM put out something like the Trailblazer SS and Ford stumbles > over the Adrenaline faux pas?
> > At least this is what I hope happened. Anyways, if this doesn't soothe > > it over for you stay positive and imagine a new 6.2 liter Mustang in > > your driveway. ;-)
> I hope you're right, but I'll believe it when I see it. Right now I can > wander over to my Dodge dealer and look at a 6.1 liter Charger or Magnum. Yes, that's a good thing... those are neat cars! But just remember Chrysler wasn't doing much of anything for us in the 80s and 90s. At least Ford has carried the performance torch, maybe not brightly all the time, but I have to give them credit for never losing grip of it during those times.
Patrick
Joe - 31 Mar 2006 13:27 GMT >> >> > Oh ye, of little faith... >> > [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > > Patrick History is great and all, but the bottom line is this: What do I see when I walk into a Ford, GM, and DC showroom this weekend? Which showroom would I linger in the longest? I don't think it would be Ford...
Dan - 27 Mar 2006 17:05 GMT I agree that we'll see some more specialty models but I'll bet we only see a Hurricane-based Mustang in concept form; like the Boss 351 V10 from a few years ago. I don't see Ford spending the the time to certify and package that motor when they've proven that the Modular motor can easily make 500 bhp reliably and the owners and aftermarket have proven the motor can make well over 1000 bhp relatively easily. Safety, insurance, and traction are already easily blown away so why bother fitting something else in there. DC and GM don't have any better formula for those issues :).
The flip side is whether or not Ford wants to get that motor into stock racing for some reason. Then we might see a larger production run of some vehicle to get the motor homologated.
It'll be fun to see :)
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NoOption5L@aol.com - 28 Mar 2006 03:31 GMT > I agree that we'll see some more specialty models but I'll bet we only > see a Hurricane-based Mustang in concept form; like the Boss 351 V10 [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > fitting something else in there. DC and GM don't have any better > formula for those issues :). Cost and packaging. The new Hemi and LS2 don't have the added expense of 3-4 valve heads, a supercharger and intercooler, plus Ford's cammers require a higher hood line, and more space with the supercharger attached.
Patrick
Dan - 29 Mar 2006 00:12 GMT Hmm, you might be diappointed then. Word around Ford is that Hurricane is truly just an extension of the Modular family: larger bore spacing, shorter deck, but essentially a new generation of the Modular motors. I don't know for sure, but right now it's my impression that that means more than one cam, around 3 valves per cylinder at minium, and VCT/VVT. I recall a story from year ago speculating on an OHV setup but that wasn't really the case as far as I know. According to what I have heard, this a "stretched' out Mod motor. The length has been increased to widen the bore spacing and allow the deck height to lower a tad. So, dimensionally, there will be a little bit of extra room vertically with less room longintudinally and a slight reduction in overall width.
The quote I heard was, "it's set up to fit into anything that accepts the 5.4 Modular today" and "it's supposed to provide some more displacement in a volume similar to the 5.4". The extra bore spacing is enough to support over 7.0L with, I think, a stroke roughly equivalent to the current 5.4, maybe a tad shorter stroke.
It will easily match anything anyone else is producing right now, but I'm wagering it's still got that bugaboo some of you guys don't like: overhead cams :). Personally, I'm looking forward to a 427 cammer ;).
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NoOption5L@aol.com - 29 Mar 2006 03:21 GMT > Hmm, you might be diappointed then. Word around Ford is that Hurricane > is truly just an extension of the Modular family: larger bore spacing, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > dimensionally, there will be a little bit of extra room vertically with > less room longintudinally and a slight reduction in overall width.
> The quote I heard was, "it's set up to fit into anything that accepts > the 5.4 Modular today" and "it's supposed to provide some more > displacement in a volume similar to the 5.4". The extra bore spacing is > enough to support over 7.0L with, I think, a stroke roughly equivalent > to the current 5.4, maybe a tad shorter stroke.
> It will easily match anything anyone else is producing right now, but > I'm wagering it's still got that bugaboo some of you guys don't like: > overhead cams :). Personally, I'm looking forward to a 427 cammer ;). Dan,
I personally don't have a problem with a cammer. I've driven a number of mod motored cars and really like the 4.6. My issue is cost. While I love the current Terminator Cobra, I'd be even fonder of them if it was priced like the Mach 1s. I think ditching the blower and intercooler and swapping in a bigger inch, normally aspirated motor would make that price possible. So I thinking/hoping for a 6.2 liter 4 valve Cobra, and 6.2 liter 2 or 3 valve GT.
As for which way Ford is going to go, just before the Hurricane got canceled/postponed, from what I heard the debate pushrod OHC debate was still raging/undecided. We'll see...
Whatever Ford decides, I feel more cubes is win for us enthusiasts.
Patrick
Dan - 29 Mar 2006 07:28 GMT Patrick,
Yeah, I hear what you're saying and I agree that enthusiasts would benefit. Yet Ford has had at least three larger displacement motors that they could have put in the Mustang/Cobra: the 351, the 5.4, and 7.0(?, V10). They did two of these in low production homologation vehicles and one in a single concept car. And all of those occurred during a period that a stronger competitor pony car was on the market. If they didn't do it then what's different now? What will get them to rethink that model? Maybe the existence of two alternative pony cars and a clear slow down in sales when they hit market would make it happen. I dunno, though, it's hard to count on that.
Additionally, now that SVT has closed shop there's no longer a division dedicated to an exclusive line of performance products to put the motor in. The only hope, then, is that, like you pointed out, one of the niche models, like the Mach I, Boss, Bullitt, etc., gets that motor and that they produce enough of them to keep the price down. But without SVT products drawing a premium price, I have to wonder if the niche products won't get more expensive in the future.
I like the idea. I just don't see the incentive for Ford to make it happen. Yet :).
Dan 2003 Cobra convertible With some stuff and things
NoOption5L@aol.com - 30 Mar 2006 03:25 GMT > Yeah, I hear what you're saying and I agree that enthusiasts would > benefit. Yet Ford has had at least three larger displacement motors [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > and a clear slow down in sales when they hit market would make it > happen. I dunno, though, it's hard to count on that. I think this time the competition has the potential for stronger sales. The previous F-bodies, while better performers than the Mustang, were sales duds. This time around both the Challenger and new Camaro have some real buzz surrounding them. I give Ford credit for planning ahead.
> Additionally, now that SVT has closed shop there's no longer a division > dedicated to an exclusive line of performance products to put the motor [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > SVT products drawing a premium price, I have to wonder if the niche > products won't get more expensive in the future. I think the opposite might happen. Without SVT, and its exclusive badge, I think Ford's performance vehicles will become more affordable and numerous. SVT always tried to put that exclusive, low production spin in their marketing so they could charge premium dollars for what are really entry/mid level cars. I'd like to see them go back to the low-buck LX 5-liter concept: top dog motor available in the no/low frills model.
> I like the idea. I just don't see the incentive for Ford to make it > happen. Yet :). The incentive is market share. Ford has had two perenial segment leaders: F150 & Mustang. At this point in time they really can't afford to let either slip. They must keep them both competitive in every way. With the horsepower wars showing no sign of letting up, a bigger inch motor is the way to do it.
Patrick
Ritz - 29 Mar 2006 14:04 GMT > It will easily match anything anyone else is producing right now, but > I'm wagering it's still got that bugaboo some of you guys don't like: > overhead cams :). Personally, I'm looking forward to a 427 cammer ;). My only recollection of having worked on 427 side-oiler/"cammer" engines is that you frequently had to deal with adjusting the valves. That wasn't a major issue "back in the day" if you were racing. But for the average Joe, I always liked the 428CJ since it had hydraulic lifters...making it a bit more user friendly for people who didn't like popping the valve covers every other weekend. 8-)
I keep threatening to resurrect a 428cj engine I rescued from a totaled Torino by putting it in a Cobra kit. I guess I should do that before you need a home mortgage to fill the tank.
Cheers,
Dan - 29 Mar 2006 22:42 GMT Sadly, I never had the opportunity to work on an original 427 Cammer motor. I got to tweak on a 429 Boss for a few summers, but that's the most exotic Ford motor I've worked on from that period. When that broke we talked about tracking down a 428CJ for the very reasons you listed. But we never did :P.
Fortunately, though, should it happen, I'll only have to read about those issues ;). If Hurricane is SOHC 3-valve like I anticipate, and it gets punched to 427 CID (which shouldn't be hard to do), then this new generation "427 Cammer" won't require that level of attention. The Modular families OHC systems are very stable once the heads are assembled and there's usually no adjustments that need to be done other than making sure torque specs are met :).
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Backyard Mechanic - 27 Mar 2006 13:23 GMT > The Hurricane is back. Source for that article: http://detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=/20060326/AUTO01/603260358/1148
Marketwatch view of article: http://tinyurl.com/fdv45
"Ford spokesman Said Deep declined to comment on whether Ford is developing the Hurricane engine" "Ford has been roundly criticized by analysts for having an insufficient amount of product, including engine options and other vehicle innovations, coming out in future years to keep pace with Asian and U.S. competitors. Ford lost $1.6 billion in North American auto operations in 2005 even as it turned a profit on a global basis. It expects to again lose money at home this year."
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HerkyJerky - 27 Mar 2006 14:13 GMT So I guess the debate can now begin on what kind of engine it will be. This should be interesting. Perhaps, are we witnessing the beginning of the end of the modular V8 as we know it?
Backyard Mechanic - 27 Mar 2006 14:36 GMT > So I guess the debate can now begin on what kind of engine it will be. > This should be interesting. Perhaps, are we witnessing the beginning > of the end of the modular V8 as we know it? Uh.. no.
Now.. for my opinion.
The 'big block' is needed to compete... but it's only there to fill a niche market. Since the mod engine is a 'small block', there's not a lot of direct competition.. and what I think is really the case: This is the LAST of the "Big Block" engineering assignments.. for quite a while, anyway. Look for it to have 'all-aluminum' casting options.
In fact, I hope so.. Ford needs to spend time and money in Gasoline Direct Injection and Diesel (low sulfur) engineering.
The REAL money-maker for Ford in the mid-range will be the 3.5 Duratech V-6 to be built at the Lima plant. While not real interesting to readers on the Mustang group, that will be where Ford makes or breaks it in the casual-performance market.
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NoOption5L@aol.com - 28 Mar 2006 03:24 GMT > > So I guess the debate can now begin on what kind of engine it will be. > > This should be interesting. Perhaps, are we witnessing the beginning > > of the end of the modular V8 as we know it?
> Uh.. no.
> Now.. for my opinion.
> The 'big block' is needed to compete... but it's only there to fill a > niche market. > Since the mod engine is a 'small block', there's not a lot of direct > competition.. and what I think is really the case: This is the LAST of > the "Big Block" engineering assignments.. for quite a while, anyway. > Look for it to have 'all-aluminum' casting options.
> In fact, I hope so.. Ford needs to spend time and money in Gasoline > Direct Injection Hopefully, the Hurricane will be direct injected.
Patrick
tbandrow@storkyak.com - 28 Mar 2006 01:28 GMT Can I dare hope for a revived Mercury Marauder with 400hp rather than 300? Or even a Crown Vic with a real engine in it? Everyone's talking up the 300C, but you don't get more American than a Crown Vic with a real engine in it, and I'd rather have an engine built in my old hometown of Cleveland OH than from some joint in Mexico.
Brent P - 28 Mar 2006 06:49 GMT > Can I dare hope for a revived Mercury Marauder with 400hp rather than > 300? Or even a Crown Vic with a real engine in it? Everyone's talking > up the 300C, but you don't get more American than a Crown Vic with a > real engine in it, Unless something makes an effective challenge to ford's fleet sales I don't think it would happen. However, take your concept and raise it with a 2 door body and convertible and call it a Galaxie 500 XL :)
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