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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Mustang / April 2006

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Mileage tips from a Mustang Forum

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OdieBob - 25 Apr 2006 06:02 GMT
http://www.mustangevolution.com/forum/article-i-found-mileage-mostly-good-19133.html

Some of these seem kind odd
Jim Warman - 25 Apr 2006 07:22 GMT
Step 11 is one they got wrong.. it should read "wrap head with tin foil"...
the aluminum foil deflector beanie will work very well for anyone thinking
that smoke and morrors will net a 17 mpg gain...

Ketones are a proven carcinogen... just the stuff we need to add to our
systems and distribute freely where-ever we may roam.... Reducing spark plug
gap cannot reduce resistance (and one guy is an electrician)... it will
reduce ionization or required voltage - I see no point in reducing the
amount of working fluid exposed to the spark.... Quite interesting is the
fact that some name brands are quoted in the "article" - hmmm, of course
there can't be any special interest....

I would surely love to see just what makes a spark plug a "high amp" spark
plug..

If it looks like crap and smells like crap (somebody taste it.... I ain't
gonna), it's probably crap...

> http://www.mustangevolution.com/forum/article-i-found-mileage-mostly-good-19133.html
>
> Some of these seem kind odd
Backyard Mechanic - 25 Apr 2006 08:40 GMT
"RGR is an electrician so he know's whereof he speaks"

Wonder if he realizes the TFI coil isnt your grandpa's old coil.  Wonder if
he understands how long mfrs have been developing ignition systems toward
CAFE standards?

Evidently RGR doesnt use his 'technical'training to analyse what he's
saying.

It's VOLTAGE that initializes the spark, modern coils produce a higher
voltage which can easily overcome the increased gap.  Designed resistance
in wires/plugs dont affect the initial spark as there's no current flow
until ionization.

Once the gap is bridged, THEN the current comes into play... which is why
resistance is designed in.  The longer the coil field collapse can be
sustained, the greater the duration of the spark.

All that said, decreasing the gap seems counter-intuitive. Everything else
equal, you decrease the gap as you increase compression to ensure
ionization

And I'd STILL like to see a rodder-sceptic put his car with tuned up stock
HEI system on a dyno, then swap in 'MSD and such' making no other changes
and report on the findings.

> Step 11 is one they got wrong.. it should read "wrap head with tin
> foil"... the aluminum foil deflector beanie will work very well for
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>>
>> Some of these seem kind odd

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Backyard Mechanic - 25 Apr 2006 15:52 GMT
> And I'd STILL like to see a rodder-sceptic put his car with tuned up
> stock HEI system on a dyno, then swap in 'MSD and such' making no
> other changes and report on the findings.

Ooops!  
Found an archive which explains things nicely, if you understand the
electrical mechanics of ignition..  (**some of the physics are stated
wrongly, but hey)

1. MSD's provide multiple spark sequences per firing

2. No coil of the time beats the Ford "E" (TFI) or GM HEI coil.
- Current Jeep upgraders use the TFI coil

- - - - - -
** Faulty Physics:
[Be sure to use magnetic supression wire and not resistor wire. the peak
spark current with the MSD box is, according to my measurements, over
1 amp.  You'll lose a volt an ohm across resistive wires.  If your
wires are 5000 ohms, you'll dump 5000 volts just on the wire.  JGD]

Like I said... Resistance doesnt affect till the spark initiates, but the
energy has to go somewhere, and all resistance does is prolong the spark,
albeit with lower peak current.
- BYM

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Backyard Mechanic - 25 Apr 2006 15:55 GMT
MSD archive

http://yarchive.net/car/msd.html

>> And I'd STILL like to see a rodder-sceptic put his car with tuned up
>> stock HEI system on a dyno, then swap in 'MSD and such' making no
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> spark, albeit with lower peak current.
> - BYM

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Jim Warman - 26 Apr 2006 05:12 GMT
I like the way he calls a spark plug gap a "resistance".... calling it a
resistance indicates some form of continuity - even if the "resistance" is
infinite. Since a plug gap is indeed a gap, and the only way to bridge this
gap is to ionize whatever is inside the gap, I find it hard to appreciate an
electricians idea of "resistance".

Interesting is their favour towards "trick of the week" spark plugs... I
love these... when they start producing misfires, they are generally still
clean to the touch and, hopefully, haven't been overtorqued... and if you
flip them just right, you can get them to hit the side of the trash can
several times on their way to the bottom....
WindsorFox - 26 Apr 2006 08:10 GMT
> http://www.mustangevolution.com/forum/article-i-found-mileage-mostly-good-19133.html
>
> Some of these seem kind odd

   As soon as I read "Put acetone in your gas" I discounted EVERYTHING
that guys says as probable crap.

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