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rander3127@gmail.com - 29 Jun 2006 23:10 GMT
Now start JAILING these people just like drunks..

Three years after the preliminary results first were presented at a
scientific meeting and drew wide attention, University of Utah
psychologists have published a study showing that motorists who talk on
handheld or hands-free cellular phones are as impaired as drunken
drivers.

"We found that people are as impaired when they drive and talk on a
cell phone as they are when they drive intoxicated at the legal
blood-alcohol limit" of 0.08 percent, which is the minimum level that
defines illegal drunken driving in most U.S. states, says study
co-author Frank Drews, an assistant professor of psychology. "If
legislators really want to address driver distraction, then they should
consider outlawing cell phone use while driving."

Psychology Professor David Strayer, the study's lead author, adds:
"Just like you put yourself and other people at risk when you drive
drunk, you put yourself and others at risk when you use a cell phone
and drive. The level of impairment is very similar."

"Clearly the safest course of action is to not use a cell phone while
driving," concludes the study by Strayer, Drews and Dennis Crouch, a
research associate professor of pharmacology and toxicology. The study
was set for publication June 29 in the summer 2006 issue of Human
Factors: The Journal of the Human Factors and Ergonomics Society.

The study reinforced earlier research by Strayer and Drews showing that
hands-free cell phones are just as distracting as handheld cell phones
because the conversation itself - not just manipulation of a handheld
phone - distracts drivers from road conditions.

Human Factors Editor Nancy J. Cooke praised the study: "Although we all
have our suspicions about the dangers of cell phone use while driving,
human factors research on driver safety helps us move beyond mere
suspicions to scientific observations of driver behavior."

The study first gained public notice after Strayer presented
preliminary results in July 2003 in Park City, Utah, during the Second
International Driving Symposium on Human Factors in Driver Assessment,
Training and Vehicle Design. It took until now for the study to be
completed, undergo review by other researchers and finally be
published.

Key Findings: Different Driving Styles, Similar Impairment

Each of the study's 40 participants "drove" a PatrolSim driving
simulator four times: once each while undistracted, using a handheld
cell phone, using a hands-free cell phone and while intoxicated to the
0.08 percent blood-alcohol level after drinking vodka and orange juice.
Participants followed a simulated pace car that braked intermittently.

Both handheld and hands-free cell phones impaired driving, with no
significant difference in the degree of impairment. That "calls into
question driving regulations that prohibited handheld cell phones and
permit hands-free cell phones," the researchers write.

The study found that compared with undistracted drivers:

-- Motorists who talked on either handheld or hands-free cell phones
drove slightly slower, were 9 percent slower to hit the brakes,
displayed 24 percent more variation in following distance as their
attention switched between driving and conversing, were 19 percent
slower to resume normal speed after braking and were more likely to
crash. Three study participants rear-ended the pace car. All were
talking on cell phones. None were drunk.

-- Drivers drunk at the 0.08 percent blood-alcohol level drove a bit
more slowly than both undistracted drivers and drivers using cell
phones, yet more aggressively., yet more aggressively. They followed
the pace car more closely, were twice as likely to brake only four
seconds before a collision would have occurred, and hit their brakes
with 23 percent more force. "Neither accident rates, nor reaction times
to vehicles braking in front of the participant, nor recovery of lost
speed following braking differed significantly" from undistracted
drivers, the researchers write.

"Impairments associated with using a cell phone while driving can be as
profound as those associated with driving while drunk," they conclude.

Are Drunken Drivers Really Less Accident-Prone than Cell Phone Users?

Drews says the lack of accidents among the study's drunken drivers was
surprising. He and Strayer speculate that because simulated drives were
conducted during mornings, participants who got drunk were well-rested
and in the "up" phase of intoxication. In reality, 80 percent of all
fatal alcohol-related accidents occur between 6 p.m. and 6 a.m. when
drunken drivers tend to be fatigued. Average blood-alcohol levels in
those accidents are twice 0.08 percent. Forty percent of the roughly
42,000 annual U.S. traffic fatalities involve alcohol.

While none of the study's intoxicated drivers crashed, their hard, late
braking is "predictive of increased accident rates over the long run,"
the researchers wrote.

One statistical analysis of the new and previous Utah studies showed
cell phone users were 5.36 times more likely to get in an accident than
undistracted drivers. Other studies have shown the risk is about the
same as for drivers with a 0.08 blood-alcohol level.

Strayer says he expects criticism "suggesting that we are trivializing
drunken-driving impairment, but it is anything but the case. We don't
think people should drive while drunk, nor should they talk on their
cell phone while driving."

Drews says he and Strayer compared the impairment of motorists using
cell phones to drivers with a 0.08 percent blood-alcohol level because
they wanted to determine if the risk of driving while phoning was
comparable to the drunken driving risk considered unacceptable.

"This study does not mean people should start driving drunk," says
Drews. "It means that driving while talking on a cell phone is as bad
as or maybe worse than driving drunk, which is completely unacceptable
and cannot be tolerated by society."

University of Utah Cell Phone Research

Previous research by Strayer, Drews and colleagues include:

-- A 2001 study showing that hands-free cell phones are just as
distracting as handheld cell phones.

-- A 2003 study showing that the reason is "inattention blindness," in
which motorists look directly at road conditions but don't really see
them because they are distracted by a cell phone conversation. And such
drivers aren't aware they are impaired.

-- A 2005 study suggesting that when teenagers and young adults talk on
cell phones while driving, their reaction times are as slow as those of
elderly drivers.

The University of Utah psychologists conducted the alcohol study
because a 1997 study by other researchers evaluated the cell phone
records of 699 people involved in motor vehicle accidents and found
one-fourth of them had used their phone in the 10 minutes before their
accident - a four-fold increase in accidents compared with
undistracted motorists.

Those researchers speculated there was a comparable risk from drunken
driving and cell phone use while driving. So Strayer and Drews
conducted a controlled laboratory study.

The study included 25 men and 15 women ages 22 to 34 who were social
drinkers (three to five drinks per week) recruited via newspaper
advertisements. Two-thirds used a cell phone while driving. Each
participant was paid $100 for 10 hours in the study.

The driving simulator has a steering wheel, dashboard instruments and
brake and gas pedals from a Ford Crown Victoria sedan. The driver is
surrounded by three screens showing freeway scenes. Each simulated
daylight freeway drive lasted 15 minutes. The pace car intermittently
braked to mimic stop-and-go traffic. Drivers who fail to hit their
brakes eventually rear-end the pace car. Other simulated vehicles
occasionally passed in the left lane, giving the impression of steady
traffic flow.

Each study participant drove the simulator during three sessions -
undistracted, drunk or talking to a research assistant on a cell phone
- each on a different day.

The simulator recorded driving speed, following distance, braking time
and how long it would take to collide with the pace car if brakes were
not used.

The study was funded by a $25,000 grant from the Federal Aviation
Administration.

Driving while Distracted: A Growing Problem

The researchers cited figures from the Cellular Telecommunications
Industry Association indicating that more than 100 million U.S.
motorists use cell phones while driving. The National Highway
Transportation Safety Administration estimates that at any given moment
during daylight hours, 8 percent of all drivers are talking on a cell
phone.

"Fortunately, the percentage of drunk drivers at any time is much
lower," Drews says. "So it means the risk of talking on a cell phone
and driving is probably much higher than driving intoxicated because
more people are talking on cell phones while driving than are driving
drunk." The main reason there are not more accidents is that "92
percent of drivers are not on a cell phone and are compensating for
drivers on cell phones," he adds.

Cell phone use is far from the only distraction for motorists. The
researchers cite talking to passengers, eating, drinking, lighting
cigarettes, applying makeup and listening to the radio as the "old
standards" of driver distraction.

"However, over the last decade many new electronic devices have been
developed, and they are making their way into the vehicle," the
researchers write. "Drivers can now surf the Internet, send and receive
e-mail or faxes, communicate via a cellular device and even watch
television. There is good reason to believe that some of these new
multitasking activities may be substantially more distracting than the
old standards because they are more cognitively engaging and because
they are performed over longer periods of time."

Source: University of Utah
Michael Johnson, PE - 29 Jun 2006 23:39 GMT
You have it all wrong.  They will fine these people and let them go so
they can keep on fining them indefinitely.  Nothing like a lucrative new
revenue stream to make the government get all giddy with themselves and
start passing laws to screw with us on a daily basis.

Hell, why stop there, nail the people eating French fries, sipping a
Pepsi, listening to the radio, smoking a cigarette, or talking to a
passenger in their car.  Pretty soon there will be a regulation for how
many squares of toilet paper I can use per a.s wiping session.

How far do we need to go with this crap?  I'll prefer to retain my
freedom to talk on a cell phone while driving and live with the added
risk.  There is no guarantee that when you wake up in the morning you
will live through the day to do it again tomorrow.  Anyone that is that
paranoid about others using cell phones while driving should be taking
mass transit to work or just stay home all day.

> Now start JAILING these people just like drunks..
>
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>
> Source: University of Utah
rander3127@gmail.com - 30 Jun 2006 05:08 GMT
> You have it all wrong.  They will fine these people and let them go so
> they can keep on fining them indefinitely.  Nothing like a lucrative new
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> freedom to talk on a cell phone while driving and live with the added
> risk.

Then how come I can't speed to my heart's content, since the same kind
of
risk is involved?  Oh that's right!  Canada is about to make street
racing a felony.
I love driving fast, but I can't reasonably justify it since I
knowingly put others in
danger by doing it.  How important is that cell phone call?  Not very,
unless you are
a 13 year old girl....
WindsorFox - 30 Jun 2006 00:23 GMT
> Now start JAILING these people just like drunks..
>
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> handheld or hands-free cellular phones are as impaired as drunken
> drivers.

    Perhaps you have not read the studies that say people who talk to a
passenger while driving are as distracted as those on a cell phone.

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Big Iron - 30 Jun 2006 03:16 GMT
>> Now start JAILING these people just like drunks..
>>
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>     Perhaps you have not read the studies that say people who talk to a
> passenger while driving are as distracted as those on a cell phone.

Not to mention those with children in the car, and if that is't bad enough,
then the children become unhappy at some point and there goes all focus.

So... how would they know if you were talking on a hands free cell phone or
singing along with the radio?

Maybe the regulation should be that cell phones must be carried in a
separate LOCKED container away from the driver, just like an open container
or a firearm.

It's understandable that they want to curb the use of cell phones, but there
is no real way to enforce it.

K.
Michael Johnson, PE - 30 Jun 2006 04:05 GMT
>>> Now start JAILING these people just like drunks..
>>>
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> It's understandable that they want to curb the use of cell phones, but there
> is no real way to enforce it.

I think everyone is missing the real point behind this "ban the cell
phone" movement.  It is revenue driven.  They will be passing out
tickets like candy, just like with the photo radar at traffic lights and
speed traps.  Local governments see this as the next cash cow to walking
across their path.
WindsorFox - 30 Jun 2006 05:32 GMT
> I think everyone is missing the real point behind this "ban the cell
> phone" movement.  It is revenue driven.  They will be passing out
> tickets like candy, just like with the photo radar at traffic lights and
> speed traps.  Local governments see this as the next cash cow to walking
> across their path.

    Actually I am in favor of cameras to catch redlight runners. It has
become a dangerous and annoying epidemic here.

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Michael Johnson, PE - 30 Jun 2006 06:20 GMT
>> I think everyone is missing the real point behind this "ban the cell
>> phone" movement.  It is revenue driven.  They will be passing out
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>     Actually I am in favor of cameras to catch redlight runners. It has
> become a dangerous and annoying epidemic here.

Trouble is they cause more accidents at the stops lights than before
they were installed.  Especially rear end collisions.  Look at these links:

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/10/1051.asp
http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/04/430.asp
WindsorFox - 30 Jun 2006 06:49 GMT
>>> I think everyone is missing the real point behind this "ban the cell
>>> phone" movement.  It is revenue driven.  They will be passing out
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> http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/10/1051.asp
> http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/04/430.asp

   Okay well that's just stupid. Stupid people slamming their breaks on
at the hint of a yellow when in mid-crossing. The problem I have is with
the a.ses who blatantly blow through a light after the yellow has gone
red having had more than ample time to stop. Truly I would rather see
cops catch them and no cameras, cameras are a slippery slope, but it's
gotten bad here especially after the hurricane incident. People running
lights has become a major cause of accidents.

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Joe - 30 Jun 2006 13:15 GMT
>>>> I think everyone is missing the real point behind this "ban the
>>>> cell phone" movement.  It is revenue driven.  They will be passing
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> it's gotten bad here especially after the hurricane incident. People
> running lights has become a major cause of accidents.

Whether they stop short or blow through, it all comes down to personal
stupidity.  There are simply too many idiots on the road.
Michael Johnson, PE - 30 Jun 2006 16:41 GMT
>>>> I think everyone is missing the real point behind this "ban the cell
>>>> phone" movement.  It is revenue driven.  They will be passing out
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> gotten bad here especially after the hurricane incident. People running
> lights has become a major cause of accidents.

Initially they justified the reason for the cameras was to reduce
accidents.  Now we know they increase accidents, so what are their
purpose?  I can tell you their real purpose, they generate huge amounts
of revenue for local governments.  That is why they are installed and
why it takes an act of God to remove them.  I know Virginia and West
Virginia has banned their use because they cause more accidents than
before they were installed.  At least there are some politicians out
there that occasionally listen to the public outcry.
/\rtful ])odger - 03 Jul 2006 15:04 GMT
> >>>> I think everyone is missing the real point behind this "ban the cell
> >>>> phone" movement.  It is revenue driven.  They will be passing out
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> before they were installed.  At least there are some politicians out
> there that occasionally listen to the public outcry.

Some cameras were tried in my area but it turns out that there are some
youths
with BB guns that have chosen to snipe these as well as the radar trailers
that post your speed along the road.

As far as impaired driving goes, I was in a Seven Eleven the other day and
there
was a woman mixing her morning brew of coffee/creamer/sugar and she was
oblivious
to what was going on in the store around her.
When I excused myself for reaching around her to get a lid for my drink she
said.....
"Oh I'm sorry, I can't function at all until I have my morning coffee."
And I'm thinking, Then what the heck are you doing driving around in
traffic?
I have actually seen people leave bars less impaired than she was.
Michael Johnson, PE - 03 Jul 2006 18:49 GMT
>>>>>> I think everyone is missing the real point behind this "ban the cell
>>>>>> phone" movement.  It is revenue driven.  They will be passing out
[quoted text clipped - 43 lines]
> traffic?
> I have actually seen people leave bars less impaired than she was.

There are plenty of people that think the government is responsible for
their well being to the extreme.  Cell phone use is no more a threat
than driving tired, with a cup of coffee in hand, eating a Big Mac,
having a conversation with a passenger or jamming out to music just to
name a few.  The government is using cell phones as the latest reason to
initiate another revenue grab from us.

Plus they already have laws on the books to cover this problem.  If they
see an impaired driver then they can pull them over and ticket or arrest
them on the spot.  They don't need another law to do it.  They would
rather assume every person using a cell phone is as impaired as a drunk
driver.  Now if this were true, considering the number of people using
cell phones in vehicles on a daily basis, don't you think there would be
accidents occurring on a massive scale?  Think about it.  IMO, it just
doesn't add up from a common sense perspective.  I see this as no more
than the latest opportunity the government has to increase local
government revenue and make it sound like we all want it and actually
demand it to happen.
Ace - 30 Jun 2006 20:58 GMT
> >> I think everyone is missing the real point behind this "ban the cell
> >> phone" movement.  It is revenue driven.  They will be passing out
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/10/1051.asp
> http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/04/430.asp

The article probably left out that most drivers involved in accidents at
these intersections were on their cell phones.    
GILL - 30 Jun 2006 14:41 GMT
>>>> Now start JAILING these people just like drunks..
>>>>
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> speed traps.  Local governments see this as the next cash cow to walking
> across their path.

Yeah, instead of a fine(money for them)why not make the phone co.
suspend their service for a month, of put a hidden signal scrambling
device on their car.

In SoCal.(OC)went bankrupt so the ticketing for carpool violations went
through the roof(min. $271.00)

Here in Oregon some kid was hit by a car in a school zone. The money
grubs made the school zones 20mph 24/7! And violations are doubled!
Even the dumbest saw that disguise. It's back to "when children are
present" or during school hours.

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Michael Johnson, PE - 30 Jun 2006 23:01 GMT
>>>>> Now start JAILING these people just like drunks..
>>>>>
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> suspend their service for a month, of put a hidden signal scrambling
> device on their car.

You have a good point.  If they really care about stopping cell phone
use while driving then installing a signal scrambler on your car for a
period of time instead of a fine would be much more effective.  We both
know why that will never happen..... gotta keep that revenue stream flowing.

> In SoCal.(OC)went bankrupt so the ticketing for carpool violations went
> through the roof(min. $271.00)
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Even the dumbest saw that disguise. It's back to "when children are
> present" or during school hours.
lab~rat  >:-) - 06 Jul 2006 19:59 GMT
>> Yeah, instead of a fine(money for them)why not make the phone co.
>> suspend their service for a month, of put a hidden signal scrambling
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>period of time instead of a fine would be much more effective.  We both
>know why that will never happen..... gotta keep that revenue stream flowing.

Not that it matters, but I typed out my phone-jamming post before I
read this post.  ;)

I seldom use a phone when I drive because it interferes with steering
and shifting and whatnot, but I see people careening toward me yakking
away a mile a minute and it drives me nuts.

I wonder if cel phone records have ever been entered as evidence as to
who is to blame for a crash.

It's the same way I feel about the elderly drivers that run people off
the road and carry on their merry way ten miles below the speed limit.
I swear I'll insist the cops test them for imparement if they ever
cause a wreck with me...
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lab~rat  >:-)
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Kate - 01 Jul 2006 18:00 GMT
"Michael Johnson, PE" <cds@erols.com> wrote
*snip*

 Local governments see this as the next cash cow to walking
> across their path.

It might be time for a good BBQ then.

Kate
Michael Johnson, PE - 01 Jul 2006 19:44 GMT
> "Michael Johnson, PE" <cds@erols.com> wrote
> *snip*
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> It might be time for a good BBQ then.

The one thing politicians like more than money is votes.  If they know
something like cell phone bans will loose them an election then it will
never materialize.
lab~rat  >:-) - 06 Jul 2006 19:54 GMT
>>> Now start JAILING these people just like drunks..
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>It's understandable that they want to curb the use of cell phones, but there
>is no real way to enforce it.

I imagine they could jam the cellular phone frequencies with a device
built into the car's computer or something...
--
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