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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Mustang / July 2006And What Would You Buy?
Here are my options: 2005/2006 USED/New V6 Vert.... 2005/2006 USED/New GT (No way I can go used/new 2005+ GT+Vert...) Pre 2005 USED GT with a Vert.... I love the vert, I have driven the 05+ V6 and for me it has plenty of power...yet,,,,,,, I keep my cars FOREVER and that proven technology V8 is nagging at me...... So...what would you do? Advice appreciated!! > Here are my options: > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Advice appreciated!! Does it really matter? You should get what you want. I would buy the hard top V-8! no question! Convertibles and V-6's are highly over rated! We'll now get a whole bunch of guys posting "ya butt you can do such and such to the V-6 and get V-8 like performance." I say nonsense, you can do that same such and such to the V-8 and get a lot more power... ok... i'll take the bait... LOL! For me the difference between the V6 and the V8 was $8000! I will not argue that or discuss it... the difference was $8000... period... We installed a Vortech HO kit on The Mistress after we swapped in a used 4.0L to replace the broken original motor... Now this was one big package deal, used motor, labor to swap motor, Vortech, etc... so i can't really quote just what the Vortech would have cost.... but I think you could get one completely installed for maybe around $5,000 (????) maybe a little more.. perhaps a lot less... LOL! Save a few buck if you can install it yourself.. Now, the Vortech HO kit is rated at 10PSI... on my completely stock 4.0L motor with single MRT Aeroturbine exhaust ($225) my V6 put down 313RWHP and 290RWTQ! This is with an automatic... so figure 360+ at the crank.. maybe close to 370... So of the $2500 to $3000 I have left over I can stick a T-Lok in... put in new LCAs... pick up a set of DRs.... maybe a few little appearance mods... And now I have a low 13 second car! Most of the stock GT's I see run are more like high 13's... I've even seen them in the 14's.. I'm not trying to dis any GT's here.. just reporting what I've seen at the track... I know there are some guys who can drive a stock GT into the low to mid 13's but that doesn't seemto be the norm.. Now... as far a longevity running this kind of setup... only time will tell... I've been beating on the car for about 3000 miles... I have yet to make any official 1/4 mile passes yet, (New baby at home so i've been unable to make it to the track) However... this weekend is a FFW at Norwalk.. and I will be there!!! WOOOHOOO!!! Oh... and yes, if I could have found a Yellow GT for MSRP I would have probably bought it even though my rule is never to pay MSRP for a car... LOL! But at the time, March 2005, that was basically impossible! LOL! one last thing... if you happen to pick up the August issue of Modified Mustangs... well... my car happens to be in there... LOL > > Here are my options: > > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > such to the V-6 and get V-8 like performance." I say nonsense, you can do > that same such and such to the V-8 and get a lot more power... Great! LOL You have just barely exceeded the performance gotten from the factory BONE STOCK GT V-8, with a lot of wasted time and effort, obviously in your calculations your time is worth nothing, and you have totally voided your entire engine and drive train warranty. Bravo, you can keep that (normally used name for describing what you have done deleted so as not to offend), I'll take the factory BONE STOCK GT V-8 with full warranty. > ok... i'll take the bait... LOL! > [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] >> do >> that same such and such to the V-8 and get a lot more power... hmmmm... 370HP is not barely exceeding stock performance... I'm running low 13's.. (hopefully dip into the 12's this weekend!) while I've watched automatic GT's run in the 14's!! I've seen manual GTs with DRs only manage 13.7s.... I've seen a $43,000 Roush Stage One run no better than a 13.8! LOL! If you consider if I had just done the blower and gears it would have been a lot CHEAPER than the GT... and I'm still paying V6 insurance (and yes, I checked with my insurance company... it's still a V6 regardless... and as long as I have reciepts they would cover the blower with no increase in premiums!) As far as warranty... don't care... I put 30,000 miles on in a year... I break something, I replace it with something better... Bottom line... Not everyone wants 300HP... Not everyone can afford a GT... What I am trying to show is the new 4.0L V6 Mustang is a great choice for those people... and if someday those people want more performance out of their 4.0L, they can get it fairly easily... The 4.0L makes a great building block for people who decide later that they want more performance (like me! LOL!). There is such a stigma attached with owning a V6 Mustang... double if you happen to have an automatic V6 Mustang! Well, as goofy as it may sound... I am trying to change that! One person at a time if I have to!!! Pick up the August issue of Modified Mustang... you can read more about me and my car... LOL! > Great! LOL > You have just barely exceeded the performance gotten from the factory BONE [quoted text clipped - 72 lines] > >> do > >> that same such and such to the V-8 and get a lot more power... > hmmmm... 370HP is not barely exceeding stock performance... I'm running > low 13's.. (hopefully dip into the 12's this weekend!) while I've > watched automatic GT's run in the 14's!! I've seen manual GTs with DRs > only manage 13.7s.... I've seen a $43,000 Roush Stage One run no better > than a 13.8! LOL! One dealer near where I live has about 15 Rousch cars that don't seem to be selling. I think it looks overdone personally. > If you consider if I had just done the blower and gears it would have > been a lot CHEAPER than the GT... and I'm still paying V6 insurance > (and yes, I checked with my insurance company... it's still a V6 > regardless... and as long as I have receipts they would cover the > blower with no increase in premiums!) I checked insurance as well and the V6 is a lot cheaper. Same story with them covering mods as long as I have proof they were bought for and installed on the car. Pictures and receipts are all that is needed. > As far as warranty... don't care... I put 30,000 miles on in a year... > I break something, I replace it with something better... Same here,I drive A LOT but those are my other cars.I'll be putting much less on the Mustang. I only use warranty if it is something major, or something that might be problematic with the car that I can claim out of warranty later on if it had already been replaced. Three steering racks in 100,000 miles on a Caravan is an example. Don't ask :( > Bottom line... Not everyone wants 300HP... Not everyone can afford a > GT... What I am trying to show is the new 4.0L V6 Mustang is a great > choice for those people... and if someday those people want more > performance out of their 4.0L, they can get it fairly easily... The > 4.0L makes a great building block for people who decide later that they > want more performance (like me! LOL!). That's the spirit!!! I like the idea of adding a little bit at a time as a hobby. I've always done all my own work. I have no need to take it to the limit like you did, but it's nice to know there are a lot of parts out there and that it can be done. I've been stuck with "orphan" engines in other cars in the past where the aftermarket support was poor and I don't want to make that mistake again. > There is such a stigma attached with owning a V6 Mustang... double if > you happen to have an automatic V6 Mustang! Hey,,,that's what I'm getting!! My wife tried to drive my VW GTI manual shift exactly once..... Never again... I almost flew out the sunroof... Maybe I'll stick a fake tailpipe on the other side so it looks like a GT :) Who has to know? HAHAHAHAH! > Well, as goofy as it may > sound... I am trying to change that! One person at a time if I have > to!!! Pick up the August issue of Modified Mustang... you can read > more about me and my car... LOL! Congratulations!! You can modify to your hearts content. I hope you enjoy yourself with it, and learn from it. I'm through with that. I grenaded so many parts and replaced so many parts in my life, that I have absolutely no desire to bastardize or destroy any more vehicles. It got to the point where I could come home from work on Friday afternoon, pull the engine out of my 71 street Torino and stick in another engine, get it all hooked up and running and still have time to cruse that car the same Friday night. The list of modifications I've done is fairly extensive, and for the most part today I wouldn't do most of them again. At this point for me, the allure of modifying Detroit's finest has fairly well worn off. Besides the performance offerings coming out of Detroit today are so much better than they have ever been... Things like reliability, and longevity rate much higher on my priority list these days. The idea of not being able to afford a GT V-8 or the insurance for it, yet being able to afford to buy thousands of dollars worth of upgrades, void your warranty, and in your case, destroy the original engine in your nearly new car seems kind of disingenuous or at very least somewhat misguided to me. Like I said, in my original post, We'll now get a whole bunch of guys posting "ya butt you can do such and such to the V-6 and get V-8 like performance." I say nonsense, you can do that same such and such to the V-8 and get a lot more power... > hmmmm... 370HP is not barely exceeding stock performance... I'm running > low 13's.. (hopefully dip into the 12's this weekend!) while I've [quoted text clipped - 106 lines] >> >> do >> >> that same such and such to the V-8 and get a lot more power... > Here are my options: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Pre 2005 USED GT with a Vert.... This is currently the most popular opinion question posted to ramfm, funny how this same scenario exists for so many folks. IMO If you can afford a NEW '06 V6 'vert, a USED '05 GT 'vert shouldn't be too much of a stretch. -- John C. '03 Cobra Convt. >Here are my options: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >So...what would you do? I'd buy what I want. >Advice appreciated!!  SignatureAxiom #1: "The Usenet is not the real world. The Usenet usually does not even resemble the real world." Corollary #1: "Attempts to change the real world by altering the structure of the Usenet is an attempt to work sympathetic magic -- electronic voodoo." Corollary #2: "Arguing about the significance of newsgroup names and their relation to the way people really think is equivalent to arguing whether it is better to read tea leaves or chicken entrails to divine the future." 1987 - Gene Spafford > Axiom #1: > "The Usenet is not the real world. The Usenet usually does not even > resemble the real world." False Axiom > Corollary #1: > "Attempts to change the real world by altering the structure [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > whether it is better to read tea leaves or chicken entrails to > divine the future." True Corollaries > 1987 - Gene Spafford 1987 was a whole different usenet world SignatureYeh, I'm a Krusty old Geezer, putting up with my 'smartass' is the price you pay..DEAL with it! >Here are my options: > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Advice appreciated!! I bought a brand new 87 GT convertible. I loved that car and kept it for 11 years. But I doubt if I would buy another convertible. I guess you have to get it out of your system and own at least one in your lifetime. > I bought a brand new 87 GT convertible. I loved that car and kept it > for 11 years. But I doubt if I would buy another convertible. I guess > you have to get it out of your system and own at least one in your > lifetime. Did you have problems, like the upkeep of the top or theft vandalism or was it not what you expected? Just curious. >> I bought a brand new 87 GT convertible. I loved that car and kept it >> for 11 years. But I doubt if I would buy another convertible. I guess [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >was it not what you expected? >Just curious. The top was still in decent shape after 11 years. It was parked in the Florida sun 5 days a week while I at work too. It had a few problems but still looked great and didn't leak. I did take good care of it. The convertible never air conditioned that well. The a/c blew out a ton of cold air but the car would sometimes be hot anyway. I didn't put the top down very often. The blind spot was huge but I got used to it. It was kinda noisy on the highway. The August Motor Trend has a good review of the new Mustang V6 convertible. They liked it better overall than the Pontiac G6, I've owned 4 V8 Mustangs. Never had a V6 so I can't comment. I can say that Motor Trend wasn't impressed with the V6. Mort >>> I bought a brand new 87 GT convertible. I loved that car and kept it >>> for 11 years. But I doubt if I would buy another convertible. I guess [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > ton of cold air but the car would sometimes be hot anyway. I didn't > put the top down very often. Our '88 LX went through a couple of new tops, and, no, the A/C was never all that effective. The '93 GT has an inside headliner for the top, which seems to better insulate the interior, making the A/C more capable. But I know what you mean - there's a point where it becomes too hot to put the top down. That's why it's called a "convertible" - you can put the top up or down at your discretion. On the other hand, I've never been able to get the top down in my hatchback... > The blind spot was huge but I got used to it. It was kinda noisy on > the highway. There is a world of difference between your '87 convertible and the new model. Ford got it right, for a change. The top fits within a channel atop the windshield, which greatly reduces noise. And the cabin remains relatively calm at highway speeds, so you can even hold a decent conversation, if you're into such things. My '93 is all about wind and noise, but that car was never designed with a ragtop in mind. > The August Motor Trend has a good review of the new Mustang V6 > convertible. They liked it better overall than the Pontiac G6, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Mort Motor Trend liked the six better than the Pontiac, but wasn't impressed with it... Boy, that Pontiac must SUCK. Granted, I spent only a weekend in a rented six cylinder, but "I" was impressed. Of course, I don't drive a different new car every week, so my scope of comparison is severely limited, but I thought the six was competent, a lot of fun with top down at highway+ speeds, and probably would have been even more fun with a stick. (And Ford seems to have tuned the exhaust nicely, too.) I don't see myself buying a six, but I have nothing bad to say about them. dwight dwight > I bought a brand new 87 GT convertible. I loved that car and kept it > for 11 years. But I doubt if I would buy another convertible. I guess > you have to get it out of your system and own at least one in your > lifetime. IMO the secret is to have the 'vert as a second "fun" car. I can't imagine giving mine up. SignatureRichard '94 GT 'vert Under Drive Pulleys Transgo HD2 Reprogramming Kit High Stall Torque Converter 3:73 Gears Gripp Sub Frame Connectors (welded) FRPP Aluminum Drive shaft FRPP M5400-A Suspension Laser Red > IMO the secret is to have the 'vert as a second "fun" car. I can't imagine > giving mine up. That was what drove me completely insane when I traded mine in. I've never been an SUV kind of gal, but the Liberty's moonroof was NOT a suitable replacement for me. I took a helluva hit when I traded it back in 6 months later but now with the Rubicon, I have the best of both and am vert happy with my decision Kate Susan, what *I* would do, is KEEP LOOKING Don't settle.NEVER settle. If you hold out, you will be rewarded. There are millions of these cars out there and the two you mentioned are only a small sampling. Somewhere there is the EXACT car you are looking for. Personally, I would settle for nothing less than the Vert AND the V8 - and consider a stick while you're at it. Keep in mind though, I am not one to settle for less than what I want, your mileage may vary. Kate 06 Rubicon Former owner of: 95 Drop Top GT 98 Cobra Drop Top > Here are my options: > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Advice appreciated!! > Here are my options: > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Advice appreciated!! I would choose the V6. I can build the V6 to have more power than the V8 for a lot less money. It's lighter, and cheaper to insure and buy. Better gas mileage. Cheaper repairs. Unless you're building a track car or have no mechanical skills, the GT doesn't make much sense. I think a mildly modded V6 with an auto would be darn fast at the drag strip. Vert vs. HT, I choose the HT. I drove a vert for about 1500 miles last fall, and I wasn't impressed. The windshield comes so far back and has such a larg top bar, that it really doesn't feel much like a vert. Signature.boB Arrived: 2006 FXDI, Red. 1997 HD FXDWG - Turbocharged Stolen 11/26/05 in Denver 1HD1GEL10VY3200010 CO License J5822Z 2001 Dodge Dakota QC 5.9/4x4/3.92 1966 Mustang Coupe - Daily Driver 1965 FFR Cobra - 427W EFI, Damn Fast. > I would choose the V6. I can build the V6 to have more power than the V8 for a > lot less money. It's lighter, and cheaper to insure and buy. Better gas mileage. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > and I wasn't impressed. The windshield comes so far back and has such a larg top > bar, that it really doesn't feel much like a vert. Hey Bob I agree with most of what you say except for the vert not feeling much like a vert. I'll admit I only drove the 2006 for about 800 miles, it was a Hertz rental, but I found that it was quite a lot of fun with the top down. It was certainly a head turner in yellow that's for sure! The power was plenty with the V6 for me and over the 800 miles I got about 26mpg driving like a maniac. My only complaint was that the wind seemed to target my right ear for some reason and it got annoying. I'm 6'1" tall so that might have been a factor but I had driven the 2004 vert, another Hertz, and I don't remember having that problem. The top of my head is below the wind rush because I have the seat way low, but the air seems to direct itself at my right ear for some reason. I'm also looking at buying one of these and you are spot on about the insurance, at least in suburbia NYC. There is a major difference between the V6 and the V8. I have two questions for the pros in here, how is access on the V8 for everyday repairs like plugs, wires etc? It looks i might bit tight in there <bg>! I do all my own work and have done so all my life. For those with a vert, what extra work is needed to maintain it and do you have problems with dirtbags cutting it and so forth? Lincoln >> I would choose the V6. I can build the V6 to have more power than the V8 for a >>lot less money. It's lighter, and cheaper to insure and buy. Better gas mileage. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > top down. > It was certainly a head turner in yellow that's for sure! Maybe that's just me. The only vert I've ever owned is a Cobra. The top of the windshield is pretty far foreword, and only about 1/2 thick. Feels much more open than a new car does. You could certainly tell the difference between top up and top down, though. But not as dramatic as I thought it would be. I wasn't impressed enough to make my want to spend the extra bux for it. Signature.boB Arrived: 2006 FXDI, Red. 1997 HD FXDWG - Turbocharged Stolen 11/26/05 in Denver 1HD1GEL10VY3200010 CO License J5822Z 2001 Dodge Dakota QC 5.9/4x4/3.92 1966 Mustang Coupe - Daily Driver 1965 FFR Cobra - 427W EFI, Damn Fast. I had a similar problem, so i bought a '98 convertible cobra with 6500 miles on it. I'm happy as can be. I would not buy a hard top and wonder what it would have been like to have the convertible if that is what I wanted in the first place. Sure a convertible will leak after time and every time you have the window open a crack, but never had any problems with A/C on a V8 Ford, had few few lol, save a couple of more bucks and get the GT convert if that's what you want. Remeber to walk out if you don't get the deal you want the are plenty of places to buy one. Cobra Boy '98 triple black convert. > Here are my options: > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Advice appreciated!! > Here are my options: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > power...yet,,,,,,, I keep my cars FOREVER and that proven technology V8 is > nagging at me...... My advice is to get the V-6 vert. The V-6 does have plenty of hp and torque plus it gets better gas mileage and insurance will be much less than a V-8. Also, the V-6 will last a very long time if you maintain it properly. IMO, the only justification for buying a V-8 Mustang is for the power. If this isn't that important to you then you are just wasting your money, IMHO. > So...what would you do? > > Advice appreciated!! > My advice is to get the V-6 vert. The V-6 does have plenty of hp and > torque plus it gets better gas mileage and insurance will be much less > than a V-8. Also, the V-6 will last a very long time if you maintain it > properly. IMO, the only justification for buying a V-8 Mustang is for the > power. If this isn't that important to you then you are just wasting your > money, IMHO. (If that wasn't important to me, I wouldn't buy Mustangs. Or any Ford, for that matter.) (( dwight )) >> My advice is to get the V-6 vert. The V-6 does have plenty of hp and >> torque plus it gets better gas mileage and insurance will be much less [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > (If that wasn't important to me, I wouldn't buy Mustangs. Or any Ford, for > that matter.) Actually, I think Ford has finally made the base Mustang a fairly decent car. It has power, decent build quality and style. I can't say the same for most of the domestic cars maker's lineup. Now it isn't in the same league as many imports but it is a decent car for a decent price and, IMO, buying one (especially a convertible) isn't a mistake. Plus it isn't a homogenized typical import. >>> My advice is to get the V-6 vert. The V-6 does have plenty of hp and >>> torque plus it gets better gas mileage and insurance will be much less [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > buying one (especially a convertible) isn't a mistake. Plus it isn't a > homogenized typical import. I didn't say anything negative about the six. I was just responding to the last two sentences of your post. I buy V8 Mustangs for the power. It's important to me. There's a whole world of six-cylinder cars out there, all of which have their plusses and minuses. But the geographic landscape of V8-powered automobiles in an affordable range is dwindling to a precious few. dwight Well, if you keep you cars FOREVER, odds are you take care of them; so you've got the issue of not knowing what happened the first 15-20k miles on the used GT you're looking at; could be a factor eight or nine years from now. Then again, I don't know for certain what happened the first 4 miles of mine, so for all I know it could've been a few 1/8 mile blasts by the sales mgr... As to the vert vs. coupe argument, I love my vert, glad I got it, everyone should have one once; then again, it's been too hot here to sit in traffic with the top down for two months, and will be too hot for at least two more. So IMHO, there's really only about 4 months out of the year when it's decent convertible weather (except in the middle of the night, and I never go anywhere then anymore anyway). Also, I could never hear the radio w/ the top down, especially on the interstate, so I re-did my stereo; now I can hear it clearly top-down at 90mph; but talk about a headache by the time I get home! So there have been a few times that I wondered why I paid an extra few thousand for the drop-top; but there have also been more than a few times on a nice spring afternoon, cool autumn evening or a summer night that the top is down and I'm sliding around some backroad thinking no car should ever have a top. Wabbitslayer 01 GT vert > Here are my options: > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Advice appreciated!! > Here are my options: > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Advice appreciated!! Curious why you don't think the 4.0L is "proven"... the motor has been around forever... it took about 8 passes at the track with the 125HP shot of Nitrous spraying at 2000 RPM to break my 4.0L... and then all it did was break the ring landing off one of the pistions... And the V6 uses the same type of hyperpathatic pistons as the V8... The bottom end appeared to be perfectly happy... the car was making close to 500 ft/lbs when i sprayed at 2000RPM... My stock automatic is still working great... and I still have the 7.5 rear end (which is still completely intact! LOL) With DR's i was able to cut a 1.8 60' so the car has definitely seen some abuse... and other than the broke piston, she's been taking the abuse like a big girl! LOL! > Here are my options: > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Advice appreciated!! If you keep your cars forever then go for the 05+ GT+Vert!! Over the long haul the price difference is minimal. |
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