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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Mustang / July 2006diferents in 5.0l motors
hi, i just have another of my infrequent question you are so helpful with. i am thinking of a resto-mod on a '68. is there differences in the 86 - 93 5.0l motors in the mustangs? do other cars have the same/similar motor/emc's? some people uss the irs rear eds for the early 90's t-bird also, right? did the t-bird come with the 5.0l? tia, peter sorry for the misspelling in the subject... > hi, > i just have another of my infrequent question you are so helpful with. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > tia, > peter Yes there are differences internally to the motor. Mustangs came with the 5.0 HO which is true roller motor, the cam and valve specs are different, the rocker are different, the pressure settings and diameters of the fuel nozzles are different, and they require a different computer to run correctly. There are numerous articles on the internet talking about this swap. Do you want to keep the Fuel injection or do you want to carb the car? AOD/C4 4 speed vs 5 speed. yes the t-bird had 5.0 through 93 however it is not the HO motor.post 94 cougars and t-birds got the 4.6 putting the IRS in an early car requires some extensive suspension mods as this rear is a four link set up with coil overs' and your car is a frame rail mounted leaf spring set up. The T-Bird had the 5.0 HO motor, mine was a 1993 LX. >> hi, >> i just have another of my infrequent question you are so helpful with. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > some extensive suspension mods as this rear is a four link set up with > coil overs' and your car is a frame rail mounted leaf spring set up. > The T-Bird had the 5.0 HO motor, mine was a 1993 LX. No it didn't. The VIN "T" 5.0 155hp was the only factory 5.0 in the '93 Thunderbird. Rob >>>hi, >>>i just have another of my infrequent question you are so helpful with. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >>some extensive suspension mods as this rear is a four link set up with >>coil overs' and your car is a frame rail mounted leaf spring set up. >> The T-Bird had the 5.0 HO motor, mine was a 1993 LX. > > No it didn't. The VIN "T" 5.0 155hp was the only factory 5.0 in the '93 > Thunderbird. > > Rob Yes it did. Whether there were HOs and non-HOs I don't know first hand but I know for a fact that HO Thunderbirds and Cougars exist, I know two people that had them. If the guy says he had one, then he should know whether his particular car had a right hand or a left hand 5.0  SignatureI used to have abs. Now, I've just got ab. One big ol' Ab. - BigSkiff www.titanspot.com Pyongyang sounds more like the sound effect an ACME catapult makes as it goes off at precisely the wrong moment for Wile E. Coyote. - Cadbury Moose >>> The T-Bird had the 5.0 HO motor, mine was a 1993 LX. >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > know two people that had them. If the guy says he had one, then he > should know whether his particular car had a right hand or a left hand 5.0 He should know, he probably doesn't. Show me a VIN for a 5.0 HO in a '93 & I'll go along with it. Rob Ya it was a 5.0 HO and my car had more than 155 HP, LOL Sorry I can't remember the VIN, I don't make a habit of memorizing them anyway. Here is an 1992 for sale, why don't you go buy it and then you will know that there were 5.0 HO's in Thunderbirds! http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/92-Ford-Thunderbird-5-0-HO-Sport-Coupe_W0QQitemZ3 00009293045QQihZ020QQcategoryZ6240QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem >>>> The T-Bird had the 5.0 HO motor, mine was a 1993 LX. >>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Rob > Ya it was a 5.0 HO and my car had more than 155 HP, LOL I stand corrected. '91 to '93 T-Bird & Cougar were offered w/ a 200 HP version of the 5.0 HO. De-tuned slightly from the Mustang, w/ different exhaust manifolds. I think this version of the 5.0 was finally retired after the 2001 Explorer/Mariner. Rob > He should know, he probably doesn't. Show me a VIN for a 5.0 HO in a > '93 & I'll go along with it. > > Rob I don't GAF about VINs. And both cars are long sold. I am highly knowledgeable about the differences having owned both a Marquis and a Mustang and I know 100% for a fact that this 92 model Cougar had a 5.0 HO in it AND had monikers on the sides of the car on the molding that distinctly said HO. You can argue with me all you want but that doesn't change the fact that these two cars existed. I can't stand doing other peoples home work... "1992 Mercury Cougar: The 1992 XR7 hit the showrooms with new alloy wheels and a freshened interior that includes new seat and door trim. In addition, the parking brake is now activated by a floor-mounted pedal instead of a console-mounted lever. To mark the 25th anniversary of the Cougar a special LS model arrives midyear, equipped with a distinctive monochromatic color scheme, the H.O. 5.0-liter V8, BBS aluminum wheels, and special trim." http://auto.consumerguide.com/auto/used/reviews/full/index.cfm/id/2064/ SignatureI used to have abs. Now, I've just got ab. One big ol' Ab. - BigSkiff www.titanspot.com Pyongyang sounds more like the sound effect an ACME catapult makes as it goes off at precisely the wrong moment for Wile E. Coyote. - Cadbury Moose >> He should know, he probably doesn't. Show me a VIN for a 5.0 HO in a >> '93 & I'll go along with it. >> >> Rob > > I don't GAF about VINs. You should. Marti cares... > And both cars are long sold. I am highly > knowledgeable about the differences having owned both a Marquis and a > Mustang and I know 100% for a fact that this 92 model Cougar had a 5.0 > HO in it AND had monikers on the sides of the car on the molding that > distinctly said HO. You can argue with me all you want but that doesn't > change the fact that these two cars existed. I stand corrected. Thanks for refraining from actual use of profanity. There were thousands & thousands of these cars. The '91 to '93 T-Bird & Cougar were offered w/ a 200 HP version of the 5.0 HO referred to as VIN "T". De-tuned slightly from the Mustang, w/ different exhaust manifolds. I think this version of the 5.0 was finally retired after the 2001 Explorer/Mariner. Rob >> The T-Bird had the 5.0 HO motor, mine was a 1993 LX. > > No it didn't. The VIN "T" 5.0 155hp was the only factory 5.0 in the '93 > Thunderbird. > > Rob My 91 XR7 is a 5.0L HO. Only offered the V6 or 5.0L HO in the Cougars for '91. Don't know about the t-birds but these cars were almost exactly the same mechanically for that series. SignatureJohn >> hi, >> i just have another of my infrequent question you are so helpful with. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > some extensive suspension mods as this rear is a four link set up with coil > overs' and your car is a frame rail mounted leaf spring set up. There *were* some Cougars and Thunderbirds with HO engines, you just have to look at it to see. SignatureI used to have abs. Now, I've just got ab. One big ol' Ab. - BigSkiff www.titanspot.com Pyongyang sounds more like the sound effect an ACME catapult makes as it goes off at precisely the wrong moment for Wile E. Coyote. - Cadbury Moose > There *were* some Cougars and Thunderbirds with HO engines, you just > have to look at it to see. interesting discussion...i think it would be useful for all, (especially me), if someone would present a field guide to 5.0 ho cars?!?! thanks, peter >>> hi, >>> i just have another of my infrequent question you are so helpful with. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > There *were* some Cougars and Thunderbirds with HO engines, you just > have to look at it to see. in 1993 there were only 2 engine options for the cougar regardless of trim package the 3.8 v-6 and the sefi 5.0 http://www.coolcats.net/mn12/1993.html the thunderbird had a wider range of engine choices including the 3.8 efi and a supercharged V-6. The 5.0 HO used from 91-93 was infact a detuned version of the HO used in the mustangs it was rated at 200 HP..in 1994 all t-bird v-8 were the 4.6 mod motors in the SOHC configuration > in 1993 there were only 2 engine options for the cougar regardless of trim > package the 3.8 v-6 and the sefi 5.0 > http://www.coolcats.net/mn12/1993.html That 200hp 5.0L listed *IS* the HO engine for the MN12, the standard 5.0L (155hp) wasn't offered in the cats. I'm not sure if that is what you're saying below > the thunderbird had a wider range of engine choices > including the 3.8 efi and a supercharged V-6. The 5.0 HO used from 91-93 > was infact a detuned version of the HO used in the mustangs it was rated > at 200 HP..in 1994 all t-bird v-8 were the 4.6 mod motors in the SOHC > configuration >>hi, >>i just have another of my infrequent question you are so helpful with. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > nozzles are different, and they require a different computer to run > correctly. how does on differentiate one from the other, (i a boneyard say?) There are numerous articles on the internet talking about this > swap. Do you want to keep the Fuel injection or do you want to carb the car? i figure the fi is better...use the stock 5.0l wiring harness or go painless? > AOD/C4 4 speed vs 5 speed. probably a 5speed...i already have a tired aod. putting the IRS in an early car requires > some extensive suspension mods as this rear is a four link set up with coil > overs' and your car is a frame rail mounted leaf spring set up. mmmthere is some more consideration need on this front. > hi, > i just have another of my infrequent question you are so helpful with. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > tia, > peter If you want to convert it to a carb, it doesn't matter too much. 85 and up cars had roller cams. Trucks got the rollers later. Mustangs and trucks had the good heads. There's is nothing special about Mustang blocks that make them more desirable. The firing order is determined by the cam you choose. HO is something you stick on your fender or model in the basement. >HO is something you stick on your fender or model in the basement. Or the name you address your alimony/child support checks to. SignatureScott W. '68 Ranchero 500 302 '69 Mustang Sportsroof 351W ThunderSnake #57 http://home.comcast.net/~vanguard92/ > hi, > i just have another of my infrequent question you are so helpful with. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > tia, > peter If you want to convert it to a carb, it doesn't matter too much. 85 and up cars had roller cams. Trucks got the rollers later. Mustangs and trucks had the good heads. There's is nothing special about Mustang blocks that make them more desirable. The firing order is determined by the cam you choose. HO is something you stick on your fender or model in the basement.
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