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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Mustang / August 2006

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Air conditioning leak

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Mr. Bones - 27 Aug 2006 05:30 GMT
'86 LX Hatchback, 3.8

My air conditioning went almost overnight from cooling adequately to blowing
hot air.  The clutch was cycling on and off at about two second intervals.
I found that the high side schrader valve was leaking so I took it in to get
a new valve and have it evacuated and recharged.  The shop put dye in so
they could look for leaks in a few days.  It was cooling good, and I took it
back four days later. The mechanic said there was a small leak at the
compressor front seal, but I might be good for the rest of the summer.
About a week later, after not having run the AC for a couple of days, it
started to blow hot again. (I don't mean heater hot, just outside air hot.)
I took it back to the shop and they said the compressor was leaking at the
seams and needed to be replaced.

If the compressor was leaking that bad why didn't the guy say so when he
first checked it?  Maybe the evaporator is leaking.  They said they sprayed
soapy water on the evaporator and observed the runoff under a black light,
but when I bring it to have the compressor replaced they will check the
evaporator with pressure.  Having replaced the heater core I know that it's
a huge job to replace the evaporator.  I also know that there's no way they
could have gotten to the evaporator with water.

I looked at the system with a black light and I do see a small amount of dye
on the seams of the compressor.  As fast as it depressurized I would think
that there would be a lot of dye.  I pressed the schrader valve for a second
and could see a lot of dye there.

My questions:  Could the compressor be leaky enough to lose enough freon to
make it blow hot in a few days and still not show much dye on the seal or
seams?  Could it still have enough freon but something else is causing the
symptoms (hot air and clutch cycling)?

Thanks,

Mr. Bones
Jim Warman - 27 Aug 2006 07:39 GMT
AC repair can, at times, be a fickle wench.... I have an ambulance amongst
my "charges" that will hold a vacuum all day, but wont hold a refrigerant
charge for longer than a month....
> '86 LX Hatchback, 3.8
>
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>
> Mr. Bones
Jim Warman - 27 Aug 2006 15:33 GMT
Whayever did I manage there???

Anyway, this ambulance has a hard time holding a charge.... I don't know how
much dye I've got in the system (read that as lots) and I've about torn the
bus apart looking for tattletales... nada.... replaced every O-ring...
charged the thing with nitrogen and used soapy water all over the place....

In your case, I would address the leaks you can see and work from there....
If the car jas been converted to use R-134a, we must remember that these
molecules (I am told) are very small molecules - even to the point of being
capable of leeching through some rubber compounds....
Mr. Bones - 27 Aug 2006 16:25 GMT
> > In your case, I would address the leaks you can see and work from
there....
> If the car jas been converted to use R-134a, we must remember that these
> molecules (I am told) are very small molecules - even to the point of being
> capable of leeching through some rubber compounds....

I'm still using R-12, which is why I have to have a shop do the work.  I'm
not going to convert to R134 at this time, but I'll leave that discussion
for another thread.
Jim Warman - 27 Aug 2006 16:58 GMT
Not sure what the current price of R12 is in your area.... I can imagine it
is "painful"...

Last I saw in our area, it was a bout $700 COST for a 30# keg... we are not
permitted to use it in automotive applications but for logging and
construction applications, it is still legal... And I really have no idea
what that is all about (other than, possibly, political contributions...).

>> > In your case, I would address the leaks you can see and work from
> there....
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> not going to convert to R134 at this time, but I'll leave that discussion
> for another thread.
WindsorFox[SS] - 27 Aug 2006 20:32 GMT
> Not sure what the current price of R12 is in your area.... I can imagine it
> is "painful"...
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> construction applications, it is still legal... And I really have no idea
> what that is all about (other than, possibly, political contributions...).

   Hmmmm, I wonder if Algore knows that the evil logging industry has
that loop hole??

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