Car Forum / Ford / Ford Mustang / September 2006
California lunatic and his kind are a threat...
|
|
Thread rating:  |
rander3127@gmail.com - 21 Sep 2006 12:18 GMT ...and they should be "dealt with."
SAN FRANCISCO, California (Reuters) -- California sued six of the world's largest automakers over global warming on Wednesday, charging that greenhouse gases from their vehicles have caused billions of dollars in damages.
The lawsuit is the first of its kind to seek to hold manufacturers liable for the damages caused by their vehicles' emissions, state Attorney General Bill Lockyer said.
It comes less than a month after California lawmakers adopted the nation's first global warming law mandating a cut in greenhouse gas emissions.
California has also targeted the auto industry with first-in-the-nation rules adopted in 2004 requiring car makers to force cuts in tailpipe emissions from cars and trucks.
Automakers, however, have so far blocked those rules with their own legal action -- prompting one analyst to say California's lawsuit represents a way for California to pressure car manufacturers to accept the rules.
"That's the objective," said David Cole, chairman of the Center for Automotive Research, a nonprofit organization that provides public research and forecasts about the industry.
"They want to get the automakers basically to bow down and pay homage to the (emissions) law."
The complaint, which an auto industry trade group called a "nuisance" suit, names General Motors Corp., Ford Motor Co., Toyota Motor Corp., the U.S. arm of Germany's Daimler Chrysler AG and the North American units of Japan's Honda Motor Co. and Nissan Motor Co. Ltd..
Lockyer told Reuters he would seek "tens or hundreds of millions of dollars" from the automakers in the lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court in Northern California.
Environmental groups hailed the lawsuit, saying it represented another weapon for the state as it seeks to curb greenhouse gas emissions and spur the auto industry to build vehicles that pollute less.
"(California) just passed a new law to cut global warming emissions by 25 percent and that's a good start and this lawsuit is a good next step," said Dan Becker, director of the Sierra Club's Global Warming Program.
Ford deferred comment to the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers, which said the lawsuit was similar to one a New York court dismissed that is now on appeal.
"Automakers will need time to review this legal complaint, however, a similar nuisance suit that was brought by attorneys- general against utilities was dismissed by a federal court in New York," the industry group said in a statement.
Toyota declined to comment as the company evaluates the lawsuit, while Honda said in a statement it was committed to developing environmentally responsible technology.
The other automakers had no immediate comment.
However, Sean Hecht, executive director of the Environmental Law Center at the University of California, Los Angeles, said the lawsuit has a "reasonable" chance of succeeding.
He also noted the judge in the New York lawsuit cited rarely-used legal doctrine in ruling that the question at issue was political rather than legal and should therefore be addressed by the legislature and not the court.
"I was surprised that the court in that case did that," he said. "I think it is a straight forward legal question. My impression is this is a very legitimate case to bring."
The lawsuit seeks monetary damages for past and ongoing contributions to global warming and asks that the companies be held liable for future monetary damages to California. It said California is spending millions to deal with reduced snow pack, beach erosion, ozone pollution and the impact on endangered animals and fish.
"The injuries have caused the people to suffer billions of dollars in damages, including millions of dollars of funds expended to determine the extent, location and nature of future harm and to prepare for and mitigate those harms, and billions of dollars of current harm to the value of flood control infrastructure and natural resources," it said.
The Center for Automotive Research's Cole said it would be tough for the industry to immediately meet demands from some critics and predicted other states would quickly follow suit should California succeed with the legal action.
Adoption of diesel engine emissions technology or gasoline-electric hybrids comes at great cost and improving gas mileage also likely means smaller lighter vehicles, trade-offs that are not attractive to consumers, he added.
"These are not free technologies, they are very expensive," Cole said. "Most people are price sensitive."
In the complaint, Lockyer charges that vehicle emissions have contributed significantly to global warming and have harmed the resources, infrastructure and environmental health of the most populous state in the United States.
Lockyer -- a Democratic candidate for state treasurer in the November election -- said the lawsuit states that under federal and state common law the automakers have created a public nuisance by producing "millions of vehicles that collectively emit massive quantities of carbon dioxide."
Carbon dioxide emissions and other greenhouse gases have been linked to global warming.
chowrunner@verizon.net - 21 Sep 2006 14:11 GMT Some years ago, I read an article that stated all human beings emit approximately one quart of methane gas, as "part of the digestive process", to put it kindly. How come you never the EPA gurus quote this fact that we are all contributing to the "global warming"? Just think, mutliply that by the total population of the world! And aminals too! Those folks in CA are nuts! JR.
Michael Johnson, PE - 21 Sep 2006 14:27 GMT A human would be put to shame by what one cow will produce. The daily methane produced from all the farm animals is a staggering amount.
> Some years ago, I read an article that stated all human beings emit > approximately one quart of methane gas, as "part of the digestive [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Those folks in CA are nuts! > JR. Backyard Mechanic - 21 Sep 2006 14:42 GMT > A human would be put to shame by what one cow will produce. The daily > methane produced from all the farm animals is a staggering amount. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> Those folks in CA are nuts! >> JR. And it's SO bad the stink is felt all the way to Mars and melting ITS ice caps, too!
Let's put it this way... consider all the 'conspiracy-blame ourselves' crap going on.
Where does it get its impetus? From the 'CREATIVE areas' of the Blue States!
Junk Science plus shallow thinking plus 'here-and-now ignorance and denial of history' equals panic and paranoia.
I dont think anyone will deny the positive effect of the original CARB efforts. But there's a problem in thinking 'if some is good, more is better'.
And dont forget... the very same people who would like to tax and legislate the masses into using public transport are the ones who 'make using the bus an adventure sorta like 'Survivor'...by enabling those who take pride in intimidating others.
 Signature Yeh, I'm a Krusty old Geezer, putting up with my 'smartass' is the price you pay..DEAL with it!
Michael Johnson, PE - 21 Sep 2006 15:11 GMT >> A human would be put to shame by what one cow will produce. The daily >> methane produced from all the farm animals is a staggering amount. [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > using the bus an adventure sorta like 'Survivor'...by enabling those who > take pride in intimidating others. Don't get me started on global warming. I always hear "It hasn't been this hot for 10,000 years" coming from the mouth of some know-it-all scientist. I would like them to answer this question... What made it so hot 10,000 years ago? It certainly wasn't humans burning fossil fuels in their SUVs. Now just maybe what made it hot way back then is also making temperatures rise today. Also, they are only looking at a 10-20 years time span for temperature and are somehow able to extrapolate where the climate is headed 200-300 years from now. It is the equivalent of watching the initial kickoff return of a football game and claiming you know what the final score will be. The real truth is they know hardly nothing about what drives weather on this planet and predicting more than 10 days in advance is nothing more than a guess. Remember the horrific hurricane season they predicted for this year as a result of global warming? Well, I think we can all call that prediction a bust.
IMO, all this global warming hoopla is a way for scientists to grab grant money and politicians to scare us into enacting their environmental agenda. Go back and listen to all the dire predictions made by the environmentalists 30-40 years ago and see how many never materialized. Aren't we all supposed to be dead or living in a wasteland by now? Also, isn't there supposed to be no more oil left? I read the other day that it is estimated that we have only used 18% of the worlds known oil reserves. The trouble with today's scientific community is they have whored themselves out to the politicians to get money. I look at EVERYTHING from them with a skeptical eye and need to know who funded the research before remotely believing anything they say.
Robert A. Plourde Jr. - 21 Sep 2006 17:05 GMT And who will pay for all this crap, in the long run???? The consumer, that's who.
> >> A human would be put to shame by what one cow will produce. The daily > >> methane produced from all the farm animals is a staggering amount. [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > money. I look at EVERYTHING from them with a skeptical eye and need to > know who funded the research before remotely believing anything they say. Michael Johnson, PE - 21 Sep 2006 18:37 GMT Of course we will. Plus do you think China, India, Latin America etc. give a $hit about global warming and will stop their economic growth because we think they should? Heck no they won't. This whole CO2 emissions reduction idea is DOA before it even moves an inch. The press, in conjunction with the liberals and extreme environmentalists, have been trying to scare the hell out of everyone for the last several years that we are all going to fry like an egg in a skillet if we don't stop CO2 emissions. The level of the oceans have fluctuated over 400' throughout history. Now all of a sudden they want to take on Mother Nature and stop it? Having it raise and lower is part of the natural cycle of the earth. Maybe they saw the movie "Water World" too many times and see George Bush as the Dennis Hopper character and John (the wind board surfer) Kerry as the Kevin Costner character, among other delusions. :)
> And who will pay for all this crap, in the long run???? The consumer, > that's who. [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] >> money. I look at EVERYTHING from them with a skeptical eye and need to >> know who funded the research before remotely believing anything they say. elaich - 22 Sep 2006 03:11 GMT > Plus do you think China, India, Latin America etc. > give a $hit about global warming and will stop their economic growth > because we think they should? I saw a satellite photo of the Pacific a few months ago, especially enhanced to show smoke. There was a plume of smoke coming from China that covered most of the Northern Pacific, all the way to the Aleutians and south past Hawaii. I wish I knew where it was, maybe somebody else knows?
Michael Johnson, PE - 22 Sep 2006 15:33 GMT >> Plus do you think China, India, Latin America etc. >> give a $hit about global warming and will stop their economic growth [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > covered most of the Northern Pacific, all the way to the Aleutians and > south past Hawaii. I wish I knew where it was, maybe somebody else knows? It probably happens everyday. ;)
veegerNO SPAM@snowcrest.net - 22 Sep 2006 08:20 GMT >Of course we will. Plus do you think China, India, Latin America etc. >give a $hit about global warming and will stop their economic growth [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >stop CO2 emissions. The level of the oceans have fluctuated over 400' >throughout history. A recent archeological survey seeking signs of the first humans to migrate to the Americas along the coast of Alaska, identified the remnants of forests and riverbeds at a dept of something like 690'.
Twenty years ago is was the big freeze is coming. Next came global warming. And now, global warming which will initiate the big freeze....
Now all of a sudden they want to take on Mother
>Nature and stop it? Having it raise and lower is part of the natural >cycle of the earth. Maybe they saw the movie "Water World" too many [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] >>> money. I look at EVERYTHING from them with a skeptical eye and need to >>> know who funded the research before remotely believing anything they say. -- Spike 1965 Ford Mustang Fastback 2+2, Vintage Burgundy w/Black Std Interior, A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok; Vintage 40 16" rims w/225/50ZR16 KDWS BF Goodrich gForce Radial T/As, Cobra drop; surround sound audio-video... See my ride at.... Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/003_May_21_3004.jpg Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/005_May_21_2004.jpg Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/davescar_7_11_05_002.jpg Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/Engine_rebuild_006.jpg
Michael Johnson, PE - 22 Sep 2006 15:43 GMT >> Of course we will. Plus do you think China, India, Latin America etc. >> give a $hit about global warming and will stop their economic growth [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > warming. And now, global warming which will initia te the big > freeze.... Good point. Now they have all scenarios covered. Even the next ice age is a result of global warming. This article ( http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14944138 ) is a good example of how they spin everything to be the result of global warming. The press has said very little about the cooling of the oceans over the past 3-4 years. This doesn't support their agenda. Now they somehow are trying to spin that the COOLING of the oceans is a result of global warming!
Brent P - 22 Sep 2006 16:51 GMT > Of course we will. Plus do you think China, India, Latin America etc. > give a $hit about global warming and will stop their economic growth > because we think they should? Heck no they won't. This whole CO2 > emissions reduction idea is DOA before it even moves an inch. The point of it is to further encourage manufacturing to be relocated to China. China, India, Pakistan, etc etc etc are all exempt from the kyoto treaty and all similiar proposals.
It's entirely anti-environment because it's about taking manufacturing from where the environment is protected to where spewing toxins is a practically a national past time. Where the air is translucent because of pollution. And if one buys into the premise of CO2 based warming, it doesn't matter if it comes frome Tianjin or Clevland.
There is a political and economic agenda being pushed. Part of that agenda is to destroy the USA economically and build up China. going into the whys, the hows, etc and how I see it fitting together would be going off on a tangent. I'll just say that the apprently the model for the world is China. Slave wages and total control over the people by a melded government, corporate, military structure.
What I see with 'global warming' is just one facet of a bigger plan that includes erasing the US borders and flooding the labor market and the population with mexicans and others. It has nothing to do with race/nationality but only with a divide and concquer plan where the US population is not bound together in any way and fighting amugst itself. It's an old trick that corporations used to play with their workforces over a century ago. Now its being done to break a nation.
Hysterical leftwing global warmers must DIE - 21 Sep 2006 17:25 GMT > Some years ago, I read an article that stated all human beings emit > approximately one quart of methane gas, as "part of the digestive [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Those folks in CA are nuts! > JR. Well, radical enviro-vegans have tried to get sheep reduced in places like New Zealand. My suggestion would be for every enviro-minded human to kill themselves, thereby eliminating their contribution to the methane issue.
veegerNO SPAM@snowcrest.net - 21 Sep 2006 22:22 GMT >Some years ago, I read an article that stated all human beings emit >approximately one quart of methane gas, as "part of the digestive [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Those folks in CA are nuts! >JR. Thanks for the compliment? I just love being lumped in with "those folks in CA". I have met so many people who think, never having been here, that the state is comprised of nothing but wall to wall people living in a single, unending city. And I have met people who think Sacramento is a couple of hours drive north of LA, or that the state ends at San Francisco; or that anything north of LA is "northern California". People who firmly believe that every resident of the state is a bleeding heart liberal.
Unfortunately, the voting blocks are largely liberal city folks who have no concept of country life. People who pick up the phone when they have a problem and the cops are there in a couple of minutes... so nobody needs guns. They have never lived "out here" where it takes the nearest county cop 45 minutes of hauling a** to reach a victim.
For those who have never been here; in the state with the 5th largest economy in the WORLD; the majority of the population is centered in several major metro areas which amount to a very small fraction of the state's total area. The rest is comprised of farms, orchards, ranch lands, mountains, forests, etc; what we call "rural". Most of us "rural" people are conservative, pro-hunting, pro-fishing, anti-flag burning, against rewarding law breakers, and we're still NOT even ultra conservatives.
So, before you condemn all of us as "nuts"... how about getting to know the state and it's peoples. You might just find that a good share of us are not nuts.
Added: My ancestors didn't arrive on the Mayflower :0), but they did settle in northern California under a Spanish Land Grant prior to 1840; well before there were any liberals. The liberals "nuts" came long after; attracted by the wealth and climate. -- Spike 1965 Ford Mustang Fastback 2+2, Vintage Burgundy w/Black Std Interior, A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok; Vintage 40 16" rims w/225/50ZR16 KDWS BF Goodrich gForce Radial T/As, Cobra drop; surround sound audio-video... See my ride at.... Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/003_May_21_3004.jpg Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/005_May_21_2004.jpg Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/davescar_7_11_05_002.jpg Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/Engine_rebuild_006.jpg
GILL - 22 Sep 2006 02:11 GMT >>Some years ago, I read an article that stated all human beings emit >>approximately one quart of methane gas, as "part of the digestive [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/davescar_7_11_05_002.jpg > Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/Engine_rebuild_006.jpg I think they get these Ideas from TV. But yeah, it kind of pisses me off to be stereo typed, (even though I moved to the other blue state, Oregon) and I moved away from Orange County, a past Repulican stronghold.
Sometimes I catch myself thinking how the whole deep south is a bunch of Billies, though I've never been there.
 Signature Tropic Green Y2K Mustang GT W/bits & pieces http://tinyurl.com/eh99n
veegerNO SPAM@snowcrest.net - 22 Sep 2006 08:24 GMT >>>Some years ago, I read an article that stated all human beings emit >>>approximately one quart of methane gas, as "part of the digestive [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] >> -- >>
>I think they get these Ideas from TV. But yeah, it kind of pisses me off > to be stereo typed, (even though I moved to the other blue state, >Oregon) and I moved away from Orange County, a past Repulican stronghold. > >Sometimes I catch myself thinking how the whole deep south is a bunch of >Billies, though I've never been there. I've lived all over the country. There are great people everywhere, and they have their fair share of idiots. Difference is, we import the weirdo's to satisfy the tourists :0) LOL -- Spike 1965 Ford Mustang Fastback 2+2, Vintage Burgundy w/Black Std Interior, A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok; Vintage 40 16" rims w/225/50ZR16 KDWS BF Goodrich gForce Radial T/As, Cobra drop; surround sound audio-video... See my ride at.... Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/003_May_21_3004.jpg Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/005_May_21_2004.jpg Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/davescar_7_11_05_002.jpg Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/Engine_rebuild_006.jpg
GILL - 22 Sep 2006 14:56 GMT > I've lived all over the country. There are great people everywhere, > and they have their fair share of idiots. Difference is, we import the [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/davescar_7_11_05_002.jpg > Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/Engine_rebuild_006.jpg Yup, I've had this gut feeling that more people IN California, are not FROM California.
 Signature Tropic Green Y2K Mustang GT W/bits & pieces http://tinyurl.com/eh99n
veegerNO SPAM@snowcrest.net - 22 Sep 2006 21:06 GMT >> I've lived all over the country. There are great people everywhere, >> and they have their fair share of idiots. Difference is, we import the [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >Yup, I've had this gut feeling that more people IN California, are not >FROM California. Probably true, and, in part because the real Californians have moved to places like Oregon and Idaho....
Ah, but we all notice where they all want to get their classic cars from : ) California black plates, NV, AZ, NM, TX... -- Spike 1965 Ford Mustang Fastback 2+2, Vintage Burgundy w/Black Std Interior, A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok; Vintage 40 16" rims w/225/50ZR16 KDWS BF Goodrich gForce Radial T/As, Cobra drop; surround sound audio-video... See my ride at.... Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/003_May_21_3004.jpg Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/005_May_21_2004.jpg Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/davescar_7_11_05_002.jpg Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/Engine_rebuild_006.jpg
GILL - 23 Sep 2006 02:40 GMT >>Yup, I've had this gut feeling that more people IN California, are not > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/davescar_7_11_05_002.jpg > Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/Engine_rebuild_006.jpg Those Black plates do give a bit of a "classic" look an old classic.
 Signature Tropic Green Y2K Mustang GT W/bits & pieces http://tinyurl.com/eh99n
elaich - 23 Sep 2006 02:51 GMT > Those Black plates do give a bit of a "classic" look an old classic. Especially with California's anal-rententive laws. I was on a wrecking yard, and saw a rusted out old hulk with a beautiful set of black plates on it. I wanted to get them and put them on my '69 Galaxie (which would have had black plates if it was from California.)
The wrecking yard owner was specific: "The law requires me to send those plates to DMV. I can't sell them to anybody, give them away, or even keep them. They shouldn't even have been left on that car."
I called DMV, and was told that black plates can only be transferred to a car 1962 or older.
In my old state of VA, it was so easy. You can even buy plates from a restorer and transfer them to your vehicle. As long as the registration is paid, VA don't care.
GILL - 23 Sep 2006 05:17 GMT >>Those Black plates do give a bit of a "classic" look an old classic. > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > restorer and transfer them to your vehicle. As long as the registration > is paid, VA don't care. The Black/Yellow plates were from 63-70. There may have been another black plate prior to that, I don't know or remember. I don't know how you'd get them for your Galaxie, but there's got to be a way.
 Signature Tropic Green Y2K Mustang GT W/bits & pieces http://tinyurl.com/eh99n
elaich - 23 Sep 2006 16:18 GMT > The Black/Yellow plates were from 63-70. There may have been another > black plate prior to that, I don't know or remember. Before '64, CA had a whitish or gray looking plate. I can't remember the color of the numbers. The renewal tags were metal, and went under the right upper mounting bolt.
GILL - 23 Sep 2006 17:16 GMT >>The Black/Yellow plates were from 63-70. There may have been another >>black plate prior to that, I don't know or remember. > > Before '64, CA had a whitish or gray looking plate. I can't remember the > color of the numbers. The renewal tags were metal, and went under the right > upper mounting bolt. Prior to 63 they were black on yellow. Click on tags and the metal ones are mentioned. http://www.calpl8s.com/cpfaq.html
Still black on yellow back in the 30's. http://americanhistory.si.edu/onthemove/collection/object_66.html
Could'nt find any older pics, but in the teens they were Porcelain. http://www.davesclp.com/platesforsale.htm
 Signature Tropic Green Y2K Mustang GT W/bits & pieces http://tinyurl.com/eh99n
GILL - 23 Sep 2006 17:21 GMT >>> The Black/Yellow plates were from 63-70. There may have been another >>> black plate prior to that, I don't know or remember. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Could'nt find any older pics, but in the teens they were Porcelain. > http://www.davesclp.com/platesforsale.htm Opps..The stickers would be here. http://www.calpl8s.com/cgi-bin/show.cgi?st=ca&cat=sticker
 Signature Tropic Green Y2K Mustang GT W/bits & pieces http://tinyurl.com/eh99n
GILL - 23 Sep 2006 16:56 GMT >> Especially with California's anal-rententive laws. I was on a wrecking >> yard, and saw a rusted out old hulk with a beautiful set of black [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > I don't know how you'd get them for your Galaxie, but there's got to be > a way. OK, I guess the only way would be to lobby "The Governator" http://www.calpl8s.com/cpfaq.html
 Signature Tropic Green Y2K Mustang GT W/bits & pieces http://tinyurl.com/eh99n
veegerNO SPAM@snowcrest.net - 23 Sep 2006 23:33 GMT >> Those Black plates do give a bit of a "classic" look an old classic. > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >restorer and transfer them to your vehicle. As long as the registration >is paid, VA don't care. Watch eBay. Black plates show up now and then. There is a way you can get DMV to assign the plates to your car.
This is not a quote; you'd have to check the specifics; but it's something like....
you have to have a pair of the plates in good condition (there is a company which restores them) issued within the same period as the car was built; and here is the hard part; with the year tags for that year or within two years of the correct model year. -- Spike 1965 Ford Mustang Fastback 2+2, Vintage Burgundy w/Black Std Interior, A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok; Vintage 40 16" rims w/225/50ZR16 KDWS BF Goodrich gForce Radial T/As, Cobra drop; surround sound audio-video... See my ride at.... Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/003_May_21_3004.jpg Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/005_May_21_2004.jpg Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/davescar_7_11_05_002.jpg Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/Engine_rebuild_006.jpg
elaich - 22 Sep 2006 03:31 GMT >>Those folks in CA are nuts! >>JR. > > Thanks for the compliment? I just love being lumped in with "those > folks in CA". Thanks, Spike. I knew you were here somewhere. You said it better than I could. I wish these folks would come out here just once, avoid the cities, and see the real California like you and I do. The cities and the wackos get all the press. Granted, we have our problems, but who doesn't? Ours are magnified because of the scrutiny of the press.
Right now, I can look out my back door and see the sun setting in fiery flames upon the slopes of Mt. Shasta. My neighbor is doodling on his keyboard. I can jump in my car (a Mustang - got to keep it on topic) and in 10 minutes, either be in a primeval evergreen forest, a low altitude agriculural valley, or a high desert with red rock mountains and sagebrush. I have a 14,000 foot mountain to keep me company. It already has some fresh snow on the top. I can find quiet and solitude in the extreme if I want to, without driving very far. I could go down into the Central Valley at sunset, and find ranchers out with their kids, either driving the cattle, or resetting the irrigation for tomorrow. Their topic of conversation would be about deer hunting, where are the fish biting right now, and it's about time to start getting in wood for the winter. My biggest worry right now is about snow tires and chains, because I want to avoid the Last Minute Louies who wait until snow flies before they do anything, and cause a 3 day wait at Les Schwab. Snow in California? You better believe it. Our first storm last winter dropped 3 feet, with 50 MPH sustained winds.
That's the side of California that most people don't see, and few come looking for.
veegerNO SPAM@snowcrest.net - 22 Sep 2006 08:15 GMT >>>Those folks in CA are nuts! >>>JR. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >agriculural valley, or a high desert with red rock mountains and >sagebrush. I have a 14,000 foot mountain to keep me company. It already 14, 162' of semi active volcano with year round glaciers which I can see from my home in Redding :0)
>has some fresh snow on the top. I can find quiet and solitude in the >extreme if I want to, without driving very far. I could go down into the >Central Valley at sunset, and find ranchers out with their kids, either >driving the cattle, or resetting the irrigation for tomorrow. Their topic >of conversation would be about deer hunting, where are the fish biting >right now, and it's about time to start getting in wood for the winter. My fishing rigs have a permanent home in my Mustang :0) 'cause there are so darn many places to fish.
>My biggest worry right now is about snow tires and chains, because I want >to avoid the Last Minute Louies who wait until snow flies before they do >anything, and cause a 3 day wait at Les Schwab. Snow in California? You >better believe it. Our first storm last winter dropped 3 feet, with 50 >MPH sustained winds. Well, as usual, if you get stuck without, some ol' rancher will show up out of nowhere with an assortment of sizes and help you get going again :0) Bad thing is my Mustang shouldn't have chains. Went to 16" wheels, and the clearance is liable to leave my with extra ventilation.
Park Service finally got the road cleared through Lassen one year in late May. July the road was closed again due to a snowstorm. And I've been stuck with a bunch of others on the way to Susanville in September because the first guy broke traction and blocked the road on an uphill grade. So, while waiting for CalTrans, we got out of our cars and had a big snowball fight, and shared coffee and crackers and beef jerky and such all around. :0)
>That's the side of California that most people don't see, and few come >looking for. And for those who are from other areas.... I've lived in NY state and city, Cape Cod, Caribou (ME), Minneapolis, Ft Walton Beach (FL), Peru (IN), Tacoma (WA), Oklahoma City, Anchorage and Fairbanks (AK), Gulfport (MS), Wichita (TX), and found each to have it's pros and cons, just as California does. But all in all, everywhere I've been, the people have been great and the areas have been wondrous in their own ways. -- Spike 1965 Ford Mustang Fastback 2+2, Vintage Burgundy w/Black Std Interior, A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok; Vintage 40 16" rims w/225/50ZR16 KDWS BF Goodrich gForce Radial T/As, Cobra drop; surround sound audio-video... See my ride at.... Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/003_May_21_3004.jpg Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/005_May_21_2004.jpg Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/davescar_7_11_05_002.jpg Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/Engine_rebuild_006.jpg
W. D. Allen - 21 Sep 2006 18:51 GMT Will Lockyer still be in office when this suit eventually goes to court, if it ever does?
end
> ...and they should be "dealt with." > [quoted text clipped - 111 lines] > Carbon dioxide emissions and other greenhouse gases have been linked to > global warming. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 168 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now!
|
|
|