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rander3127@gmail.com - 21 Sep 2006 12:18 GMT
...and they should be "dealt with."

SAN FRANCISCO, California (Reuters) -- California sued six of the
world's largest automakers over global warming on Wednesday, charging
that greenhouse gases from their vehicles have caused billions of
dollars in damages.

The lawsuit is the first of its kind to seek to hold manufacturers
liable for the damages caused by their vehicles' emissions, state
Attorney General Bill Lockyer said.

It comes less than a month after California lawmakers adopted the
nation's first global warming law mandating a cut in greenhouse gas
emissions.

California has also targeted the auto industry with first-in-the-nation
rules adopted in 2004 requiring car makers to force cuts in tailpipe
emissions from cars and trucks.

Automakers, however, have so far blocked those rules with their own
legal action -- prompting one analyst to say California's lawsuit
represents a way for California to pressure car manufacturers to accept
the rules.

"That's the objective," said David Cole, chairman of the Center for
Automotive Research, a nonprofit organization that provides public
research and forecasts about the industry.

"They want to get the automakers basically to bow down and pay homage
to the (emissions) law."

The complaint, which an auto industry trade group called a "nuisance"
suit, names General Motors Corp., Ford Motor Co., Toyota Motor Corp.,
the U.S. arm of Germany's Daimler Chrysler AG and the North American
units of Japan's Honda Motor Co. and Nissan Motor Co. Ltd..

Lockyer told Reuters he would seek "tens or hundreds of millions of
dollars" from the automakers in the lawsuit filed in U.S. District
Court in Northern California.

Environmental groups hailed the lawsuit, saying it represented another
weapon for the state as it seeks to curb greenhouse gas emissions and
spur the auto industry to build vehicles that pollute less.

"(California) just passed a new law to cut global warming emissions by
25 percent and that's a good start and this lawsuit is a good next
step," said Dan Becker, director of the Sierra Club's Global Warming
Program.

Ford deferred comment to the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers,
which said the lawsuit was similar to one a New York court dismissed
that is now on appeal.

"Automakers will need time to review this legal complaint, however, a
similar nuisance suit that was brought by attorneys- general against
utilities was dismissed by a federal court in New York," the industry
group said in a statement.

Toyota declined to comment as the company evaluates the lawsuit, while
Honda said in a statement it was committed to developing
environmentally responsible technology.

The other automakers had no immediate comment.

However, Sean Hecht, executive director of the Environmental Law Center
at the University of California, Los Angeles, said the lawsuit has a
"reasonable" chance of succeeding.

He also noted the judge in the New York lawsuit cited rarely-used legal
doctrine in ruling that the question at issue was political rather than
legal and should therefore be addressed by the legislature and not the
court.

"I was surprised that the court in that case did that," he said. "I
think it is a straight forward legal question. My impression is this is
a very legitimate case to bring."

The lawsuit seeks monetary damages for past and ongoing contributions
to global warming and asks that the companies be held liable for future
monetary damages to California. It said California is spending millions
to deal with reduced snow pack, beach erosion, ozone pollution and the
impact on endangered animals and fish.

"The injuries have caused the people to suffer billions of dollars in
damages, including millions of dollars of funds expended to determine
the extent, location and nature of future harm and to prepare for and
mitigate those harms, and billions of dollars of current harm to the
value of flood control infrastructure and natural resources," it said.

The Center for Automotive Research's Cole said it would be tough for
the industry to immediately meet demands from some critics and
predicted other states would quickly follow suit should California
succeed with the legal action.

Adoption of diesel engine emissions technology or gasoline-electric
hybrids comes at great cost and improving gas mileage also likely means
smaller lighter vehicles, trade-offs that are not attractive to
consumers, he added.

"These are not free technologies, they are very expensive," Cole said.
"Most people are price sensitive."

In the complaint, Lockyer charges that vehicle emissions have
contributed significantly to global warming and have harmed the
resources, infrastructure and environmental health of the most populous
state in the United States.

Lockyer -- a Democratic candidate for state treasurer in the November
election -- said the lawsuit states that under federal and state common
law the automakers have created a public nuisance by producing
"millions of vehicles that collectively emit massive quantities of
carbon dioxide."

Carbon dioxide emissions and other greenhouse gases have been linked to
global warming.
chowrunner@verizon.net - 21 Sep 2006 14:11 GMT
Some years ago, I read an article that stated all human beings emit
approximately one quart of methane gas, as "part of the digestive
process", to put it kindly. How come you never the EPA gurus quote this
fact that we are all contributing to the "global warming"?
Just think, mutliply that by the total population of the world! And
aminals too!
Those folks in CA are nuts!
JR.
Michael Johnson, PE - 21 Sep 2006 14:27 GMT
A human would be put to shame by what one cow will produce.  The daily
methane produced from all the farm animals is a staggering amount.

> Some years ago, I read an article that stated all human beings emit
> approximately one quart of methane gas, as "part of the digestive
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Those folks in CA are nuts!
> JR.
Backyard Mechanic - 21 Sep 2006 14:42 GMT
> A human would be put to shame by what one cow will produce.  The daily
> methane produced from all the farm animals is a staggering amount.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>> Those folks in CA are nuts!
>> JR.

And it's SO bad the stink is felt all the way to Mars and melting ITS
ice caps, too!

Let's put it this way... consider all the 'conspiracy-blame ourselves'
crap going on.  

Where does it get its impetus?  From the 'CREATIVE areas' of the Blue
States!

Junk Science plus shallow thinking plus 'here-and-now ignorance and
denial of history' equals panic and paranoia.

I dont think anyone will deny the positive effect of the original CARB
efforts.  But there's a problem in thinking 'if some is good, more is
better'.

And dont forget... the very same people who would like to tax and
legislate the masses into using public transport are the ones who 'make
using the bus an adventure sorta like 'Survivor'...by enabling those who
take pride in intimidating others.

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you pay..DEAL with it!

Michael Johnson, PE - 21 Sep 2006 15:11 GMT
>> A human would be put to shame by what one cow will produce.  The daily
>> methane produced from all the farm animals is a staggering amount.
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
> using the bus an adventure sorta like 'Survivor'...by enabling those who
> take pride in intimidating others.

Don't get me started on global warming.  I always hear "It hasn't been
this hot for 10,000 years" coming from the mouth of some know-it-all
scientist.  I would like them to answer this question... What made it so
hot 10,000 years ago?  It certainly wasn't humans burning fossil fuels
in their SUVs.  Now just maybe what made it hot way back then is also
making temperatures rise today.  Also, they are only looking at a 10-20
years time span for temperature and are somehow able to extrapolate
where the climate is headed 200-300 years from now.  It is the
equivalent of watching the initial kickoff return of a football game and
claiming you know what the final score will be.  The real truth is they
know hardly nothing about what drives weather on this planet and
predicting more than 10 days in advance is nothing more than a guess.
Remember the horrific hurricane season they predicted for this year as a
result of global warming?  Well, I think we can all call that prediction
a bust.

IMO, all this global warming hoopla is a way for scientists to grab
grant money and politicians to scare us into enacting their
environmental agenda.  Go back and listen to all the dire predictions
made by the environmentalists 30-40 years ago and see how many never
materialized.  Aren't we all supposed to be dead or living in a
wasteland by now?  Also, isn't there supposed to be no more oil left?  I
read the other day that it is estimated that we have only used 18% of
the worlds known oil reserves.  The trouble with today's scientific
community is they have whored themselves out to the politicians to get
money.  I look at EVERYTHING from them with a skeptical eye and need to
know who funded the research before remotely believing anything they say.
Robert A. Plourde Jr. - 21 Sep 2006 17:05 GMT
And who will pay for all this crap, in the long run????  The consumer,
that's who.

> >> A human would be put to shame by what one cow will produce.  The daily
> >> methane produced from all the farm animals is a staggering amount.
[quoted text clipped - 56 lines]
> money.  I look at EVERYTHING from them with a skeptical eye and need to
> know who funded the research before remotely believing anything they say.
Michael Johnson, PE - 21 Sep 2006 18:37 GMT
Of course we will.  Plus do you think China, India, Latin America etc.
give a $hit about global warming and will stop their economic growth
because we think they should?  Heck no they won't.  This whole CO2
emissions reduction idea is DOA before it even moves an inch.  The
press, in conjunction with the liberals and extreme environmentalists,
have been trying to scare the hell out of everyone for the last several
years that we are all going to fry like an egg in a skillet if we don't
stop CO2 emissions.  The level of the oceans have fluctuated over 400'
throughout history.  Now all of a sudden they want to take on Mother
Nature and stop it?  Having it raise and lower is part of the natural
cycle of the earth.  Maybe they saw the movie "Water World" too many
times and see George Bush as the Dennis Hopper character and John (the
wind board surfer) Kerry as the Kevin Costner character, among other
delusions. :)

> And who will pay for all this crap, in the long run????  The consumer,
> that's who.
[quoted text clipped - 57 lines]
>> money.  I look at EVERYTHING from them with a skeptical eye and need to
>> know who funded the research before remotely believing anything they say.
elaich - 22 Sep 2006 03:11 GMT
>  Plus do you think China, India, Latin America etc.
> give a $hit about global warming and will stop their economic growth
> because we think they should?

I saw a satellite photo of the Pacific a few months ago, especially
enhanced to show smoke. There was a plume of smoke coming from China that
covered most of the Northern Pacific, all the way to the Aleutians and
south past Hawaii. I wish I knew where it was, maybe somebody else knows?
Michael Johnson, PE - 22 Sep 2006 15:33 GMT
>>  Plus do you think China, India, Latin America etc.
>> give a $hit about global warming and will stop their economic growth
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> covered most of the Northern Pacific, all the way to the Aleutians and
> south past Hawaii. I wish I knew where it was, maybe somebody else knows?

It probably happens everyday. ;)
veegerNO SPAM@snowcrest.net - 22 Sep 2006 08:20 GMT
>Of course we will.  Plus do you think China, India, Latin America etc.
>give a $hit about global warming and will stop their economic growth
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>stop CO2 emissions.  The level of the oceans have fluctuated over 400'
>throughout history.
A recent archeological survey seeking signs of the first humans to
migrate to the Americas along the coast of Alaska, identified the
remnants of forests and riverbeds at a dept of something like 690'.

Twenty years ago is was the big freeze is coming. Next came global
warming. And now, global warming which will initiate the big
freeze....

Now all of a sudden they want to take on Mother
>Nature and stop it?  Having it raise and lower is part of the natural
>cycle of the earth.  Maybe they saw the movie "Water World" too many
[quoted text clipped - 63 lines]
>>> money.  I look at EVERYTHING from them with a skeptical eye and need to
>>> know who funded the research before remotely believing anything they say.

--

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1965 Ford Mustang Fastback 2+2, Vintage Burgundy
w/Black Std Interior, A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok;
Vintage 40 16" rims w/225/50ZR16 KDWS BF Goodrich
gForce Radial T/As, Cobra drop; surround sound
audio-video...
See my ride at....
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Michael Johnson, PE - 22 Sep 2006 15:43 GMT
>> Of course we will.  Plus do you think China, India, Latin America etc.
>> give a $hit about global warming and will stop their economic growth
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> warming. And now, global warming which will initia te the big
> freeze....

Good point.  Now they have all scenarios covered.  Even the next ice age
is a result of global warming.  This article (
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14944138 ) is a good example of how they
spin everything to be the result of global warming.  The press has said
very little about the cooling of the oceans over the past 3-4 years.
This doesn't support their agenda.  Now they somehow are trying to spin
that the COOLING of the oceans is a result of global warming!
Brent P - 22 Sep 2006 16:51 GMT
> Of course we will.  Plus do you think China, India, Latin America etc.
> give a $hit about global warming and will stop their economic growth
> because we think they should?  Heck no they won't.  This whole CO2
> emissions reduction idea is DOA before it even moves an inch.

The point of it is to further encourage manufacturing to be relocated to
China. China, India, Pakistan, etc etc etc are all exempt from the kyoto
treaty and all similiar proposals.

It's entirely anti-environment because it's about taking manufacturing
from where the environment is protected to where spewing toxins is a
practically a national past time. Where the air is translucent because of
pollution. And if one buys into the premise of CO2 based warming, it
doesn't matter if it comes frome Tianjin or Clevland.

There is a political and economic agenda being pushed. Part of that
agenda is to destroy the USA economically and build up China. going into
the whys, the hows, etc and how I see it fitting together would be going off
on a tangent. I'll just say that the apprently the model for the world is
China. Slave wages and total control over the people by a melded
government, corporate, military structure.

What I see with 'global warming' is just one facet of a bigger plan that
includes erasing the US borders and flooding the labor market and the
population with mexicans and others. It has nothing to do with
race/nationality but only with a divide and concquer plan where the US
population is not bound together in any way and fighting amugst itself.
It's an old trick that corporations used to play with their workforces
over a century ago. Now its being done to break a nation.
Hysterical leftwing global warmers must DIE - 21 Sep 2006 17:25 GMT
> Some years ago, I read an article that stated all human beings emit
> approximately one quart of methane gas, as "part of the digestive
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Those folks in CA are nuts!
> JR.

Well, radical enviro-vegans have tried to get sheep reduced in places
like New Zealand.
My suggestion would be for every enviro-minded human to kill
themselves, thereby eliminating their contribution to the methane issue.
veegerNO SPAM@snowcrest.net - 21 Sep 2006 22:22 GMT
>Some years ago, I read an article that stated all human beings emit
>approximately one quart of methane gas, as "part of the digestive
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>Those folks in CA are nuts!
>JR.

Thanks for the compliment? I just love being lumped in with "those
folks in CA".  I have met so many people who think, never having been
here, that the state is comprised of nothing but wall to wall people
living in a single, unending city. And I have met people who think
Sacramento is a couple of hours drive north of LA, or that the state
ends at San Francisco; or that anything north of LA is "northern
California". People who firmly believe that every resident of the
state is a bleeding heart liberal.

Unfortunately, the voting blocks are largely liberal city folks who
have no concept of country life. People who pick up the phone when
they have a problem and the cops are there in a couple of minutes...
so nobody needs guns. They have never lived "out here" where it takes
the nearest county cop 45 minutes of hauling a** to reach a victim.

For those who have never been here; in the state with the 5th largest
economy in the WORLD; the majority of the population is centered in
several major metro areas which amount to a very small fraction of the
state's total area. The rest is comprised of farms, orchards, ranch
lands, mountains, forests, etc; what we call "rural". Most of us
"rural" people are conservative, pro-hunting, pro-fishing, anti-flag
burning, against rewarding law breakers, and we're still NOT even
ultra conservatives.

So, before you condemn all of us as "nuts"... how about getting to
know the state and it's peoples. You might just find that a good share
of us are not nuts.

Added:  My ancestors didn't arrive on the Mayflower :0), but they did
settle in northern California under a Spanish Land Grant prior to
1840; well before there were any liberals. The liberals "nuts"  came
long after; attracted by the wealth and climate.
--

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1965 Ford Mustang Fastback 2+2, Vintage Burgundy
w/Black Std Interior, A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok;
Vintage 40 16" rims w/225/50ZR16 KDWS BF Goodrich
gForce Radial T/As, Cobra drop; surround sound
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GILL - 22 Sep 2006 02:11 GMT
>>Some years ago, I read an article that stated all human beings emit
>>approximately one quart of methane gas, as "part of the digestive
[quoted text clipped - 50 lines]
> Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/davescar_7_11_05_002.jpg
> Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/Engine_rebuild_006.jpg

I think they get these Ideas from TV. But yeah, it kind of pisses me off
 to be stereo typed, (even though I moved to the other blue state,
Oregon) and I moved away from Orange County, a past Repulican stronghold.

Sometimes I catch myself thinking how the whole deep south is a bunch of
Billies, though I've never been there.

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veegerNO SPAM@snowcrest.net - 22 Sep 2006 08:24 GMT
>>>Some years ago, I read an article that stated all human beings emit
>>>approximately one quart of methane gas, as "part of the digestive
[quoted text clipped - 39 lines]
>> --
>>  

>I think they get these Ideas from TV. But yeah, it kind of pisses me off
>  to be stereo typed, (even though I moved to the other blue state,
>Oregon) and I moved away from Orange County, a past Repulican stronghold.
>
>Sometimes I catch myself thinking how the whole deep south is a bunch of
>Billies, though I've never been there.

I've lived all over the country. There are great people everywhere,
and they have their fair share of idiots. Difference is, we import the
weirdo's to satisfy the tourists :0) LOL
--

Spike
1965 Ford Mustang Fastback 2+2, Vintage Burgundy
w/Black Std Interior, A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok;
Vintage 40 16" rims w/225/50ZR16 KDWS BF Goodrich
gForce Radial T/As, Cobra drop; surround sound
audio-video...
See my ride at....
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GILL - 22 Sep 2006 14:56 GMT
> I've lived all over the country. There are great people everywhere,
> and they have their fair share of idiots. Difference is, we import the
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/davescar_7_11_05_002.jpg
> Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/Engine_rebuild_006.jpg

Yup, I've had this gut feeling that more people IN California, are not
FROM California.

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veegerNO SPAM@snowcrest.net - 22 Sep 2006 21:06 GMT
>> I've lived all over the country. There are great people everywhere,
>> and they have their fair share of idiots. Difference is, we import the
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>Yup, I've had this gut feeling that more people IN California, are not
>FROM California.

Probably true, and, in part because the real Californians have moved
to places like Oregon and Idaho....

Ah, but we all notice where they all want to get their classic cars
from : )  California black plates, NV, AZ, NM, TX...  
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Spike
1965 Ford Mustang Fastback 2+2, Vintage Burgundy
w/Black Std Interior, A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok;
Vintage 40 16" rims w/225/50ZR16 KDWS BF Goodrich
gForce Radial T/As, Cobra drop; surround sound
audio-video...
See my ride at....
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GILL - 23 Sep 2006 02:40 GMT
>>Yup, I've had this gut feeling that more people IN California, are not
>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/davescar_7_11_05_002.jpg
> Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/Engine_rebuild_006.jpg

Those Black plates do give a bit of a "classic" look an old classic.

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elaich - 23 Sep 2006 02:51 GMT
> Those Black plates do give a bit of a "classic" look an old classic.

Especially with California's anal-rententive laws. I was on a wrecking
yard, and saw a rusted out old hulk with a beautiful set of black plates
on it. I wanted to get them and put them on my '69 Galaxie (which would
have had black plates if it was from California.)

The wrecking yard owner was specific: "The law requires me to send those
plates to DMV. I can't sell them to anybody, give them away, or even keep
them. They shouldn't even have been left on that car."

I called DMV, and was told that black plates can only be transferred to a
car 1962 or older.

In my old state of VA, it was so easy. You can even buy plates from a
restorer and transfer them to your vehicle. As long as the registration
is paid, VA don't care.
GILL - 23 Sep 2006 05:17 GMT
>>Those Black plates do give a bit of a "classic" look an old classic.
>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> restorer and transfer them to your vehicle. As long as the registration
> is paid, VA don't care.

The Black/Yellow plates were from 63-70. There may have been another
black plate prior to that, I don't know or remember.
I don't know how you'd get them for your Galaxie, but there's got to be
a way.

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elaich - 23 Sep 2006 16:18 GMT
> The Black/Yellow plates were from 63-70. There may have been another
> black plate prior to that, I don't know or remember.

Before '64, CA had a whitish or gray looking plate. I can't remember the
color of the numbers. The renewal tags were metal, and went under the right
upper mounting bolt.
GILL - 23 Sep 2006 17:16 GMT
>>The Black/Yellow plates were from 63-70. There may have been another
>>black plate prior to that, I don't know or remember.
>
> Before '64, CA had a whitish or gray looking plate. I can't remember the
> color of the numbers. The renewal tags were metal, and went under the right
> upper mounting bolt.

Prior to 63 they were black on yellow. Click on tags and the metal ones
are mentioned.
http://www.calpl8s.com/cpfaq.html

Still black on yellow back in the 30's.
http://americanhistory.si.edu/onthemove/collection/object_66.html

Could'nt find any older pics, but in the teens they were Porcelain.
http://www.davesclp.com/platesforsale.htm

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GILL - 23 Sep 2006 17:21 GMT
>>> The Black/Yellow plates were from 63-70. There may have been another
>>> black plate prior to that, I don't know or remember.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> Could'nt find any older pics, but in the teens they were Porcelain.
> http://www.davesclp.com/platesforsale.htm

Opps..The stickers would be here.
http://www.calpl8s.com/cgi-bin/show.cgi?st=ca&cat=sticker
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GILL - 23 Sep 2006 16:56 GMT
>> Especially with California's anal-rententive laws. I was on a wrecking
>> yard, and saw a rusted out old hulk with a beautiful set of black
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> I don't know how you'd get them for your Galaxie, but there's got to be
> a way.

OK, I guess the only way would be to lobby "The Governator"
http://www.calpl8s.com/cpfaq.html

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veegerNO SPAM@snowcrest.net - 23 Sep 2006 23:33 GMT
>> Those Black plates do give a bit of a "classic" look an old classic.
>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>restorer and transfer them to your vehicle. As long as the registration
>is paid, VA don't care.
Watch eBay. Black plates show up now and then. There is a way you can
get DMV to assign the plates to your car.

This is not a quote; you'd have to check the specifics; but it's
something like....

you have to have a pair of the plates in good condition (there is a
company which restores them) issued within the same period as the car
was built; and here is the hard part; with the year tags for that year
or within two years of the correct model year.
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Spike
1965 Ford Mustang Fastback 2+2, Vintage Burgundy
w/Black Std Interior, A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok;
Vintage 40 16" rims w/225/50ZR16 KDWS BF Goodrich
gForce Radial T/As, Cobra drop; surround sound
audio-video...
See my ride at....
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elaich - 22 Sep 2006 03:31 GMT
>>Those folks in CA are nuts!
>>JR.
>
> Thanks for the compliment? I just love being lumped in with "those
> folks in CA".

Thanks, Spike. I knew you were here somewhere. You said it better than I
could. I wish these folks would come out here just once, avoid the
cities, and see the real California like you and I do. The cities and the
wackos get all the press. Granted, we have our problems, but who doesn't?
Ours are magnified because of the scrutiny of the press.

Right now, I can look out my back door and see the sun setting in fiery
flames upon the slopes of Mt. Shasta. My neighbor is doodling on his
keyboard. I can jump in my car (a Mustang - got to keep it on topic) and
in 10 minutes, either be in a primeval evergreen forest, a low altitude
agriculural valley, or a high desert with red rock mountains and
sagebrush. I have a 14,000 foot mountain to keep me company. It already
has some fresh snow on the top. I can find quiet and solitude in the
extreme if I want to, without driving very far. I could go down into the
Central Valley at sunset, and find ranchers out with their kids, either
driving the cattle, or resetting the irrigation for tomorrow. Their topic
of conversation would be about deer hunting, where are the fish biting
right now, and it's about time to start getting in wood for the winter.
My biggest worry right now is about snow tires and chains, because I want
to avoid the Last Minute Louies who wait until snow flies before they do
anything, and cause a 3 day wait at Les Schwab. Snow in California? You
better believe it. Our first storm last winter dropped 3 feet, with 50
MPH sustained winds.

That's the side of California that most people don't see, and few come
looking for.
veegerNO SPAM@snowcrest.net - 22 Sep 2006 08:15 GMT
>>>Those folks in CA are nuts!
>>>JR.
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>agriculural valley, or a high desert with red rock mountains and
>sagebrush. I have a 14,000 foot mountain to keep me company. It already
14, 162' of semi active volcano with year round glaciers which I can
see from my home in Redding :0)

>has some fresh snow on the top. I can find quiet and solitude in the
>extreme if I want to, without driving very far. I could go down into the
>Central Valley at sunset, and find ranchers out with their kids, either
>driving the cattle, or resetting the irrigation for tomorrow. Their topic
>of conversation would be about deer hunting, where are the fish biting
>right now, and it's about time to start getting in wood for the winter.

My fishing rigs have a permanent home in my Mustang :0) 'cause there
are so darn many places to fish.

>My biggest worry right now is about snow tires and chains, because I want
>to avoid the Last Minute Louies who wait until snow flies before they do
>anything, and cause a 3 day wait at Les Schwab. Snow in California? You
>better believe it. Our first storm last winter dropped 3 feet, with 50
>MPH sustained winds.
Well, as usual, if you get stuck without, some ol' rancher will show
up out of nowhere with an assortment of sizes and help you get going
again :0) Bad thing is my Mustang shouldn't have chains. Went to 16"
wheels, and the clearance is liable to leave my with extra
ventilation.

Park Service finally got the road cleared through Lassen one year in
late May. July the road was closed again due to a snowstorm. And I've
been stuck with a bunch of others on the way to Susanville in
September because the first guy broke traction and blocked the road on
an uphill grade. So, while waiting for CalTrans, we got out of our
cars and had a big snowball fight, and shared coffee and crackers and
beef jerky and such all around. :0)

>That's the side of California that most people don't see, and few come
>looking for.

And for those who are from other areas.... I've lived in NY state and
city, Cape Cod, Caribou (ME), Minneapolis, Ft Walton Beach (FL), Peru
(IN), Tacoma (WA), Oklahoma City, Anchorage and Fairbanks (AK),
Gulfport (MS), Wichita (TX), and found each to have it's pros and
cons, just as California does. But all in all, everywhere I've been,
the people have been great and the areas have been wondrous in their
own ways.
--

Spike
1965 Ford Mustang Fastback 2+2, Vintage Burgundy
w/Black Std Interior, A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok;
Vintage 40 16" rims w/225/50ZR16 KDWS BF Goodrich
gForce Radial T/As, Cobra drop; surround sound
audio-video...
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W. D. Allen - 21 Sep 2006 18:51 GMT
Will Lockyer still be in office when this suit eventually goes to court, if
it ever does?

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> ...and they should be "dealt with."
>
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> Carbon dioxide emissions and other greenhouse gases have been linked to
> global warming.

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