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Worth a watch... http://youtube.com/watch?v=y4nMEYIJt38 Patrick Sigh... I want one of those. Gotta delete the stripes though. I like the Hertz car but I don't care for the goofy hood scoop. They ought to let me design a Mustang. No scoops, spoiler, or decals. I'd give it a clean look, like a BMW M3. >Worth a watch... > >http://youtube.com/watch?v=y4nMEYIJt38 > >Patrick > Sigh... I want one of those. Gotta delete the stripes though. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > No scoops, spoiler, or decals. I'd give it a clean look, like a BMW > M3. agreed, stealth, very fast, reliable, very fast, lots of low end torque, stealth scoop does a little if it works- cooler air and about 1/2 lb at 80 mph, then you have a rain problem, suck in all that water. spoiler, spoils the look and does nothing. decals are for toy models and teenagers. still if someone gave me a GT500 guess I would just have to take it. "Anabaena Microcystis" <invalid@invalid.com> wrote in news:453afac4$0 $97275$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net: >> Sigh... I want one of those. Gotta delete the stripes though. >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > still if someone gave me a GT500 guess I would just have to take it. It looks great and the 1/4 mile is pretty decent, but don't give me that crap about Shelby having any input. The only thing he did was cash the checks from Ford for letting them use his name. At any rate, the car weighs too much and it's nose heavy. The nose-dive during hard braking is just ridiculous. Didn't look all that hot in the corners, either. All that having been said, let's see how it compares to other cars in the mid-$40s. Bring on the comparos. Joe Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC > "Anabaena Microcystis" <invalid@invalid.com> wrote in news:453afac4$0 > $97275$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net: [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > corners, either. All that having been said, let's see how it compares > to other cars in the mid-$40s. Bring on the comparos. I'm starting to have second thoughts about getting one after seeing the test drive articles. I think the car is just too heavy, period. I think I will just go with a garden variety GT vert, which I can get with an auto tranny, throw on a KB blower, 14" brakes, a good tranny buildup and maybe a few forged goodies for the engine. This will give me, basically, a GT500 auto for $10k-$15k less and several hundred pound lighter. Overall, Ford did a good job with the GT500 but they just didn't go the last few steps, IMO. Things like weight, leaving out the twin screw blower, no auto tranny option and way too high pricing are just pushing me away from it. Plus, I can't justify over $50k for a Mustang convertible of any variety and with the vert's MSRP at nearly $48k it will likely stay above $50k for the production run. >> "Anabaena Microcystis" <invalid@invalid.com> wrote in news:453afac4$0 >> $97275$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net: [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > Mustang convertible of any variety and with the vert's MSRP at nearly > $48k it will likely stay above $50k for the production run. Agreed on all counts. I think if the convertible sold for under $40k you couldn't beat it. But $48k is just too expensive for what you get. Michael, why limit your choice to a Mustang? If you're looking in the $40-45k range, there are a lot of nice rides. >>> "Anabaena Microcystis" <invalid@invalid.com> wrote in news:453afac4$0 >>> $97275$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net: [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > Michael, why limit your choice to a Mustang? If you're looking in the > $40-45k range, there are a lot of nice rides. Plus the Challenger and Camaro should be making an appearance before too long. I really think it will be a Mustang GT though. It is a car I can get at a decent price and after market support is fantastic so modding it would be easy and economical. It will be next year before anything happens on my end (thanks to a slow housing market) so I might change my mind three more times by then. ;) >> Michael, why limit your choice to a Mustang? If you're looking in the >> $40-45k range, there are a lot of nice rides. > Plus the Challenger and Camaro should be making an appearance before too > long. I really think it will be a Mustang GT though. It is a car I can > get at a decent price and after market support is fantastic so modding > it would be easy and economical. It will be next year before anything > happens on my end (thanks to a slow housing market) so I might change my > mind three more times by then. ;) My thoughts on the subject as I consider another car are this.. 1) I was going to modify my '97 GT... ended up not being able to have the downtime so the mods are few. So I want to get something that's a lot closer to where I would mod to. 2) I want RWD with an MT with a clutch pedal and only two door that doesn't look like a rice boy car with a V8 or I6. So.... There's the GT500.... apparently difficult to get, probably still overpriced by stealerships... Still with many of the compromises a mustang has. Lot's of power. On the plus side, lots of stuff available for it. The BMW 335i... a good deal less power than the GT500 but doesn't have the compromises that come from the base car like the GT500. Mods and parts are likely to be expensive because it's a BMW. Base corvette.... I probably won't fit well in it comfortably the way I like to sit, hard to find and well it's a base model, which will probably mean I'll end up feeling it needs modding or reget not getting a better version, and well, it's a chevy. >>> Michael, why limit your choice to a Mustang? If you're looking in the >>> $40-45k range, there are a lot of nice rides. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > downtime so the mods are few. So I want to get something that's a lot > closer to where I would mod to. I will always have my '89 LX to tinker with and satisfy the need to heavily mod a Mustang. Its next turn under the knife will give it a 351W stroked out to 427 cubic inches. Then a full Maximum Motorsports suspension setup is next with killer brakes. > 2) I want RWD with an MT with a clutch pedal and only two door that > doesn't look like a rice boy car with a V8 or I6. The reason I want an auto is I will always have the '89 LX. It has a T-56 and should satisfy the need to row through the gears. Anything I by will have to have rear wheel drive though. That is an absolute requirement. The good thing is that RWD cars are becoming more available and I think this trend will continue. On a side note, I think the first auto maker that releases a RWD small car in the spirit of the Nissan 240SX will have a runaway hit and start a new trend in small car performance. This is when things will get real interesting regarding performance and hot rodding small cars. > So.... > > There's the GT500.... apparently difficult to get, probably still > overpriced by stealerships... Still with many of the compromises a > mustang has. Lot's of power. On the plus side, lots of stuff available > for it. It is the price that keeps me from it. At $48k it is just too much money for what it is, a gussied-up Mustang. > The BMW 335i... a good deal less power than the GT500 but doesn't have > the compromises that come from the base car like the GT500. Mods and > parts are likely to be expensive because it's a BMW. If I am going to spend over $50k then this is probably my #1 choice: http://www.mbusa.com/models/main.do?modelCode=SLK55 > Base corvette.... I probably won't fit well in it comfortably the way I > like to sit, hard to find and well it's a base model, which will > probably mean I'll end up feeling it needs modding or reget not getting a > better version, and well, it's a chevy. The Corvette is tempting but I have never been a huge fan. I think if I went that way then a mid sixties model would be the way I would go. A nice '66 Vette convertible is a thing of beauty. In the end I would lay odds on me buying a garden variety GT with an auto tranny and doing some mods to get it to GT500 performance levels or just getting the SLK55 and being an extremely happy camper all the way around. :) >> The BMW 335i... a good deal less power than the GT500 but doesn't have >> the compromises that come from the base car like the GT500. Mods and >> parts are likely to be expensive because it's a BMW. > > If I am going to spend over $50k then this is probably my #1 choice: > http://www.mbusa.com/models/main.do?modelCode=SLK55 Mercedes doesn't make anything with a clutch pedal anymore so I don't even bother looking. That said the 335i, the M3 light if I don't have the model number right, is supposed to be priced right about at the GT500's sticker MSRP vs. MSRP. It has a twin turbo I6 making about 300hp... > Mercedes doesn't make anything with a clutch pedal anymore so I don't even > bother looking. Uh, the SLK280 and the SLK350 have 6-speed manuals. And, AMG makes a couple of Mercedes-based cars with manuals for only a few euros more. ;-)  SignatureCheers, Bob >> Mercedes doesn't make anything with a clutch pedal anymore so I don't even >> bother looking. > > Uh, the SLK280 and the SLK350 have 6-speed manuals. With a clutch, actuated by a pedal operated by one's left foot and gear lever mechanically connected to the transmission? An MB 'manual transmission' has been a manually selectable automatic computer controlled transmission in so many products I stopped looking at their entire line. >>>Mercedes doesn't make anything with a clutch pedal anymore so I don't even >>>bother looking. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > computer controlled transmission in so many products I stopped looking at > their entire line. The on-line brochure says: "Manual Transmission Standard fully synchronized 6-speed with direct-action short-throw shifter and clutch-starter interlock." Sounds like those two cars will prevent left leg degeneration. But I agree with your distinction. I recently drove a M35X (very nice) with auto-stick -- shifts were reasonably fast, but it still felt a bit mushy due, I suspect, to the torque converter. SignatureCheers, Bob >>>>Mercedes doesn't make anything with a clutch pedal anymore so I don't even >>>>bother looking. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > short-throw shifter and clutch-starter interlock." > Sounds like those two cars will prevent left leg degeneration. Guess they've seen the light on some models.... but since I have to ask how much, I probably cannot afford it. > But I agree with your distinction. I recently drove a M35X (very nice) with > auto-stick -- shifts were reasonably fast, but it still felt a bit mushy due, > I suspect, to the torque converter. The thing is, the clutch serves as a way to control the rear wheels. One of the biggest benefits of RWD is that one has some measure of control over all 4 wheels rather than just the front ones. Take away the clutch and there is less control over the rear two. >>> The BMW 335i... a good deal less power than the GT500 but doesn't have >>> the compromises that come from the base car like the GT500. Mods and [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > model number right, is supposed to be priced right about at the GT500's > sticker MSRP vs. MSRP. It has a twin turbo I6 making about 300hp... They have a very nice 7-speed auto with a quasi paddle shift option. Maybe I'm getting old but a manual isn't on my list of must have features anymore. >> In article <_NSdndmKd-mIXaHYnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Michael >> Johnson, PE wrote: [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > 351W stroked out to 427 cubic inches. Then a full Maximum Motorsports > suspension setup is next with killer brakes. Suh-weet. So what'll happen to the KB? Up onto the shelf for a while until the urge hits again, or will it immediately find its way onto the 351? >> 2) I want RWD with an MT with a clutch pedal and only two door that >> doesn't look like a rice boy car with a V8 or I6. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > start a new trend in small car performance. This is when things will > get real interesting regarding performance and hot rodding small cars. Great point, but that car would need some balls. The 240SX simply didn't have enough power to be a serious contender. >> So.... >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > It is the price that keeps me from it. At $48k it is just too much > money for what it is, a gussied-up Mustang. Even the "base" GT500 is too much. Just a thought, but if Ford hadn't bothered calling Shelby and just put the car out with all the goodies sans the Shelby name, I'll bet it could've been close to reasonable. >> The BMW 335i... a good deal less power than the GT500 but doesn't >> have the compromises that come from the base car like the GT500. Mods >> and parts are likely to be expensive because it's a BMW. > > If I am going to spend over $50k then this is probably my #1 choice: > http://www.mbusa.com/models/main.do?modelCode=SLK55 Hey Now! But.. but.. it's a Chrysler! ;) >> Base corvette.... I probably won't fit well in it comfortably the way >> I like to sit, hard to find and well it's a base model, which will [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I went that way then a mid sixties model would be the way I would go. > A nice '66 Vette convertible is a thing of beauty. Absolutely, but go for a spin in a C6 one day. I'll bet you a drink you become a fan. > In the end I would lay odds on me buying a garden variety GT with an > auto tranny and doing some mods to get it to GT500 performance levels > or just getting the SLK55 and being an extremely happy camper all the > way around. :) The SLK55 is one sweet ride. It's even comfortable. I was discussing toys with my wife the other day (no, not _those_ kind), and I decided that I'd either like to have a nice custom bike or a street rod. Either way, something outrageous for nice days. At the moment, I'm partial to a street rod. Don't have to balance it at stoplights. >>> In article <_NSdndmKd-mIXaHYnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Michael >>> Johnson, PE wrote: [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > until the urge hits again, or will it immediately find its way onto the > 351? The 427W will have to be enough on its own. Can you imagine the torque if it were put on a 427 c.i.d. engine! I don't know what to do with the blower. I'll have several good parts from heads, intakes, water injection etc. Probably put it on ebay or The Corral. >>> 2) I want RWD with an MT with a clutch pedal and only two door that >>> doesn't look like a rice boy car with a V8 or I6. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Great point, but that car would need some balls. The 240SX simply > didn't have enough power to be a serious contender. Todays garden variety V-6s should be enough. Then throw in a little modding and I think they could be hella fun cars. The 240SX guys would import the Japanese version's 1.8L turbo engines and get 300 rwhp from them. The handling of the 240SX convertible (the coupe should be much better) I had was great. The weight balance, steering feel and overall light weight of the car made for a fantastically fun ride. The 240SX's still command a fairly high price for a lower mileage car because of the drifting craze. A 240SX with another 100-150 hp would be a VERY fun car. >>> So.... >>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > bothered calling Shelby and just put the car out with all the goodies > sans the Shelby name, I'll bet it could've been close to reasonable. I agree. The Shelby name probably adds $5k to the MSRP and has made all the baby boomers bid their price up way beyond the car's real worth. IMO, the GT500 vert is, at best, a $40k car and the coupe is a $37k one. >>> The BMW 335i... a good deal less power than the GT500 but doesn't >>> have the compromises that come from the base car like the GT500. Mods [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Hey Now! But.. but.. it's a Chrysler! ;) That is as much a Chrysler as a Jaguar is a Ford. ;) >>> Base corvette.... I probably won't fit well in it comfortably the way >>> I like to sit, hard to find and well it's a base model, which will [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Absolutely, but go for a spin in a C6 one day. I'll bet you a drink you > become a fan. If I ever get to the test drive stage I'll be visiting many, many dealerships of all varieties. After all, isn't that half the fun of buying a new sports car? >> In the end I would lay odds on me buying a garden variety GT with an >> auto tranny and doing some mods to get it to GT500 performance levels >> or just getting the SLK55 and being an extremely happy camper all the >> way around. :) > > The SLK55 is one sweet ride. It's even comfortable. I see that car as giving me the best overall experience for the money. That being performance, comfort, hard top convertible and looks that get the "WOW" response from family and friends. There is one in our neighborhood and it just looks good from any angle, with the top up or down. I just can't imagine being dissatisfied with that car. > I was discussing toys with my wife the other day (no, not _those_ kind), > and I decided that I'd either like to have a nice custom bike or a > street rod. Either way, something outrageous for nice days. At the > moment, I'm partial to a street rod. Don't have to balance it at > stoplights. I looked hard at bikes a few years ago and decided to wait and see if it was a passing fad. It was. I would definitely opt for the street rod. Plus, many of those custom bikes are hell on your a.s. They have little or no suspension in the rear. Ever look at the rears on the bike shows? I don't think any of them let a shock absorber near the back half of the bike. >>>> In article <_NSdndmKd-mIXaHYnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Michael >>>> Johnson, PE wrote: [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > do with the blower. I'll have several good parts from heads, intakes, > water injection etc. Probably put it on ebay or The Corral. Hmm. Bolt-on stuff for my LX... >>>> 2) I want RWD with an MT with a clutch pedal and only two door that >>>> doesn't look like a rice boy car with a V8 or I6. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > mileage car because of the drifting craze. A 240SX with another > 100-150 hp would be a VERY fun car. So what we're talking here is basically a 4-seater Miata, Solstice, Sky, S2000, etc. with 250-300hp. But it would have to slot between the present day versions of those and the current Mustang GT. >>>> So.... >>>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > worth. IMO, the GT500 vert is, at best, a $40k car and the coupe is a > $37k one. I'd put the coupe at ~$35-36k, but otherwise agreed. >>>> The BMW 335i... a good deal less power than the GT500 but doesn't >>>> have the compromises that come from the base car like the GT500. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > That is as much a Chrysler as a Jaguar is a Ford. ;) You got me there. :) On a tangent, the Chryslers/Dodges have more MB in them than the other way around. >>>> Base corvette.... I probably won't fit well in it comfortably the >>>> way I like to sit, hard to find and well it's a base model, which [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > dealerships of all varieties. After all, isn't that half the fun of > buying a new sports car? Damn straight! >>> In the end I would lay odds on me buying a garden variety GT with an >>> auto tranny and doing some mods to get it to GT500 performance [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > neighborhood and it just looks good from any angle, with the top up or > down. I just can't imagine being dissatisfied with that car. It is a truly gorgeous car. There is one in the parking lot where I work - of course it's always in the 'Reserved' spot... >> I was discussing toys with my wife the other day (no, not _those_ >> kind), and I decided that I'd either like to have a nice custom bike [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > bike shows? I don't think any of them let a shock absorber near the > back half of the bike. No way I'd get a hardtail for that reason. Not at my age... ;) >>>>> In article <_NSdndmKd-mIXaHYnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Michael >>>>> Johnson, PE wrote: [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Hmm. Bolt-on stuff for my LX... I can cut a great deal for a friend. ;) >>>>> 2) I want RWD with an MT with a clutch pedal and only two door that >>>>> doesn't look like a rice boy car with a V8 or I6. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > S2000, etc. with 250-300hp. But it would have to slot between the > present day versions of those and the current Mustang GT. Basically a lighter base Mustang. The rear wheel drive is the key to the car's success, IMO. There is a reason that nearly all luxury cars are RWD now. I would think the same logic could be applied to the Accord, Maximia, Fusion market segment. The power levels of modern V-6 cars are begging for RWD. >>>>> So.... >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > You got me there. :) On a tangent, the Chryslers/Dodges have more MB > in them than the other way around. This is true. IMO, this is what has saved Chysler's a.s in the recent years. >>>>> Base corvette.... I probably won't fit well in it comfortably the >>>>> way I like to sit, hard to find and well it's a base model, which [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > No way I'd get a hardtail for that reason. Not at my age... ;) Hey, on the bright side, it would make your next rectal exam seem like a piece of cake. ;) >>>>>> In article <_NSdndmKd-mIXaHYnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d@giganews.com>, >>>>>> Michael Johnson, PE wrote: [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > I can cut a great deal for a friend. ;) Call me when you decide to sell. BTW, when my son reads this I'll have to wipe the drool off the keyboard. He's driving the LX full time now. >>>>>> 2) I want RWD with an MT with a clutch pedal and only two door >>>>>> that doesn't look like a rice boy car with a V8 or I6. [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > Accord, Maximia, Fusion market segment. The power levels of modern > V-6 cars are begging for RWD. Michael, I totally agree, but what current chassis are available for RWD nowadays in that vein? IMO that's the determining factor for such a car. Most makers have all the other stuff in the parts bins. >>>>>> So.... >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > This is true. IMO, this is what has saved Chysler's a.s in the recent > years. Indeed. And the vehicles are better for it. >>>>>> Base corvette.... I probably won't fit well in it comfortably the >>>>>> way I like to sit, hard to find and well it's a base model, which [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > Hey, on the bright side, it would make your next rectal exam seem like > a piece of cake. ;) <groan> >>>>>>> In article <_NSdndmKd-mIXaHYnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d@giganews.com>, >>>>>>> Michael Johnson, PE wrote: [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > Call me when you decide to sell. BTW, when my son reads this I'll have > to wipe the drool off the keyboard. He's driving the LX full time now. LOL! A little anticipation never hurts anyone. Just tell him my last dyno pull showed 460 ft-lbs of torque at the wheels starting well under 2,500 rpm. If that doesn't make him drool then nothing will. ;) >>>>>>> 2) I want RWD with an MT with a clutch pedal and only two door >>>>>>> that doesn't look like a rice boy car with a V8 or I6. [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > nowadays in that vein? IMO that's the determining factor for such a > car. Most makers have all the other stuff in the parts bins. They need to design a few new goodies to make it happen. The fact is though that the hp and torque levels are really getting beyond what FWD can productively use, IMO. Torque steer, weight transfer to the rear reducing traction for acceleration and poor overall steering feel are working against FWD. This is why the luxury market and mid size and up are moving to RWD. I don't think all small cars should be RWD but a handful could carve out a nice little niche. >>>>>>> <snip> >>>>>>>> In article <_NSdndmKd-mIXaHYnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d@giganews.com>, >>>>>>>> Michael Johnson, PE wrote: [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > dyno pull showed 460 ft-lbs of torque at the wheels starting well > under 2,500 rpm. If that doesn't make him drool then nothing will. ;) He just read the torque figure @ 2500 and dribbled all over the place. :) Seriously, we'll talk in a year or so. The LX will be due for a complete rebuild within a few years, and the KB with all the goodies would be perfect for the new 302 crate I want to put in. As you know, the big difference will be the AOD backing it up. So far I think I like the LenTechs. >>>>>>>> 2) I want RWD with an MT with a clutch pedal and only two door >>>>>>>> that doesn't look like a rice boy car with a V8 or I6. [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > and up are moving to RWD. I don't think all small cars should be RWD > but a handful could carve out a nice little niche. I fully agree with you about FWD. The power levels these days are about at the limit for any degree of sanity during hard acceleration. I'd love to see the whole power mode we seem to be in nowadays move to RWD. Once the Japanses start, there'll be no stopping the trend. >>>>>>>>> In article <_NSdndmKd-mIXaHYnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d@giganews.com>, >>>>>>>>> Michael Johnson, PE wrote: [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > the big difference will be the AOD backing it up. So far I think I like > the LenTechs. KBs and auto trannies are a great match. Actually, I have the heads and lower intake in the package I intend to sell. They have had the hell ported out of them for high rpm airflow. All you really need is a short block that will allow about an 8.7:1 compression ratio. With the KB you don't use the upper intake manifold. Here's a pick for him to study: http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/engine3a.jpg >>>>>>>>> 2) I want RWD with an MT with a clutch pedal and only two door >>>>>>>>> that doesn't look like a rice boy car with a V8 or I6. [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > love to see the whole power mode we seem to be in nowadays move to RWD. > Once the Japanses start, there'll be no stopping the trend. It is coming, IMO. Once these kids that have been weened on FWD get a hold of a nice balanced RWD smaller car with some decent power and torque they will convert immediately. Our son drove a Nissan 240SX for a year and now has a Mazda MX-6 and really wants a small RWD car again. Trouble is there is nothing with more than two seats that is affordable. Ford could make the replacement chassis of of the current Fusion RWD and it would be a home run. I believe a small, affordable RWD will materialize within the next 5-7 years. <snip> > KBs and auto trannies are a great match. Actually, I have the heads > and lower intake in the package I intend to sell. They have had the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/engine3a.jpg Got it - thanks. <snip> > It is coming, IMO. Once these kids that have been weened on FWD get a > hold of a nice balanced RWD smaller car with some decent power and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Fusion RWD and it would be a home run. I believe a small, affordable > RWD will materialize within the next 5-7 years. Hope it's sooner than that... >>>> Michael, why limit your choice to a Mustang? If you're looking in the >>>> $40-45k range, there are a lot of nice rides. [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > If I am going to spend over $50k then this is probably my #1 choice: > http://www.mbusa.com/models/main.do?modelCode=SLK55 My neighbour has an SL65. 700+ torque. I've never liked Mercedes but this thing looks insane standing still. I've seen it only once on the road and the guy was driving about 15mph in a 30mph. Traffic was backed up behind him, me right behind in my 5.0. I don't give a rat's a.s about Vettes or Vipers, but this thing looked so cool... understated and cool. Check it out. $180K to get into one. http://www.mbusa.com/models/main.do?modelCode=SL65 That said, I love the new Mustang 500. Nice car. I would buy one, but am waaay too cheap. Brad >>>>> Michael, why limit your choice to a Mustang? If you're looking in the >>>>> $40-45k range, there are a lot of nice rides. [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > That said, I love the new Mustang 500. Nice car. I would buy one, but am > waaay too cheap. I have seen that car and it is gorgeous. I also saw the SLR McLaren (the $750k model) at the DC car show last year. Now that car was incredible. Here's some links to a few pictures I took there: > http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/IMG_2125Large.jpg > http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/IMG_2124Large.jpg > http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/IMG_2123Large.jpg > http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/IMG_2122Large.jpg > http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/IMG_2121Large.jpg > http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c290/MikeJ9116/IMG_2120Large.jpg > "Anabaena Microcystis" <invalid@invalid.com> wrote in news:453afac4$0 > $97275$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net: [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > corners, either. All that having been said, let's see how it compares > to other cars in the mid-$40s. Bring on the comparos. That last statement however is the *real* kicker here as the GT500 is not a car in the mid-40's itself, at least not for the forseeable future. I was in 2 different Ford shops over the past week buying an '06 Expedition for the wife in hopes of improving my return on some oil stocks I have :-).....Anyway, I saw a total of 4 GT 500's and 3 Roush Stage 3's during my visits. The first location had 1 GT500 vert with a sticker of $48,500 and a "Market Adjustment" of $25K ....They had it on Ebay at the time and ended up not hitting the reserve with a final bid of $61,705. (Item 200036841657) The location place where we bought our vehicle had 3 more (one coupe and 2 verts) each with a $15K "Market Adjustment" to the sticker price. They were selling the Stage 3's at the Roush sticker which ran around $51k. Looking at Ebay's completed auction, most of the ones that actually sold have been going for ~$60K Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have one, but at $60-$75K, I think IMHO one could modify a stock GT to outperform the beast and still have plenty o' cash left over for other toys.. KW > Joe > Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies > Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC >:-).....Anyway, I saw a total of 4 GT 500's and 3 Roush Stage 3's during my > visits. The first location had 1 GT500 vert with a sticker of $48,500 and a > "Market Adjustment" of $25K ....They had it on Ebay at the time and ended up > not hitting the reserve with a final bid of $61,705. (Item 200036841657) I haven't seen any around me, but I haven't checked more than a couple dealerships... big ones though. My guess is they were pre-sold to people with more money than sense. > Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have one, but at $60-$75K, I think IMHO one > could modify a stock GT to outperform the beast and still have plenty o' > cash left over for other toys.. It's not a 60-75K car, period. >>:-).....Anyway, I saw a total of 4 GT 500's and 3 Roush Stage 3's >>:during my [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > It's not a 60-75K car, period. It's not even a mid-$40k car either. >> It's not a 60-75K car, period. > It's not even a mid-$40k car either. However it's MSRP is just under $41K. ($40,930 on edmunds) Invoice is $37K. It's probably a bit over priced considering where Ford stopped with it, but it's not horrible considering what a GT ends up once it's optioned out. The problem with the GT500 is that it's on dealer allotments thusly the stealerships are price gouging because there are enough stupid people in the world who will pay $60K for it. When a dealership is only going to be able to sell 2 of them because they can't get more than that and neither can the other Ford dealers, they can afford to let it sit until someone stupid enough walks in the door. They don't really have to worry about everyone going to the next town over and buying it from someone else like they do with most models. A GT500 for between sticker and MSRP like any other Ford isn't horrid. Just to compare, the BMW 335i is $40,600 MSRP and invoice of $37,350. So it's right there price wise, but it should be like any other car. And I can get it in dark green ;) Then again, I've never dealt with a BMW dealer... they could be worse than Ford dealers for all I know. Decent 1/4 mile time my a.s!That thing is a big time waist of money!You can get a saleen for half the money and crush its 1/4 mile time with less power! Also Mustang and Fast Fords tested two mustang gts.One had a procharger the other had a kenne bell,both were running 11 lbs of boost and had nothing more then exhaust and fuel injectors.They were making 500 hp and running low 11 second times.You can accomplish this with about $6000 in mods to a stock GT. > Decent 1/4 mile time my a.s!That thing is a big time waist of money!You can > get a saleen for half the money and crush its 1/4 mile time with less power! > Also Mustang and Fast Fords tested two mustang gts.One had a procharger the > other had a kenne bell,both were running 11 lbs of boost and had nothing more > then exhaust and fuel injectors.They were making 500 hp and running low 11 > second times.You can accomplish this with about $6000 in mods to a stock GT. Until those powder formed rods in the GT engine bend. ;) I agree though, for the price of a GT and $10k in mods you can have a stock GT500 killer. Trouble is that throwing a KB blower on a GT500 will likely net you 700 rwhp/rwtq. That is where those forged engine parts in the GT500 pay big dividends. Add forged rods and pistons to a GT engine and things get interesting again. >> Decent 1/4 mile time my a.s!That thing is a big time waist of money!You can >> get a saleen for half the money and crush its 1/4 mile time with less power! [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >in the GT500 pay big dividends. Add forged rods and pistons to a GT >engine and things get interesting again. This is true.As a technician myself I cerntainly didn't overlook this issue. But as you said for around 10 grand you could eat the gt 500.The other thing is if you had forged internals you could also increase the boost.Those number were at 11 lbs of boost.The kenne bell unit is known to hold 30 lbs.Im not sure how much power the block it self can hold, but you could certainly put out atleast 800 hp at 20 lbs and probably more.And all that would be off blower alone.Top end of the block close to stock. >>> Decent 1/4 mile time my a.s!That thing is a big time waist of money!You can >>> get a saleen for half the money and crush its 1/4 mile time with less power! [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > out atleast 800 hp at 20 lbs and probably more.And all that would be off > blower alone.Top end of the block close to stock. The 4.6L block is pretty stout. I've seen them handle over 600 rwhp without a problem. It is a much better block than the 302. Plus the heads are bolted on much better and can handle a good bit of boost before popping a head gasket. > Decent 1/4 mile time my a.s!That thing is a big time waist of money!You can > get a saleen for half the money Where does one buy a new saleen mustang for $20 grand or even 30? > Also Mustang and Fast Fords tested two mustang gts.One had a procharger the > other had a kenne bell,both were running 11 lbs of boost and had nothing more > then exhaust and fuel injectors.They were making 500 hp and running low 11 > second times.You can accomplish this with about $6000 in mods to a stock GT. With factory waranty and reliability testing, and without the various other upgrades. Sure, you could probably upgrade a stock GT to similiar performance all around for about $10K, and then you're knocking on the door of the GT500's MSRP if you started with a GT with a similiar equipment level... >> Decent 1/4 mile time my a.s!That thing is a big time waist of money!You can >> get a saleen for half the money [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > With factory waranty and reliability testing, and without the various er Without... > other upgrades. Sure, you could probably upgrade a stock GT to similiar > performance all around for about $10K, and then you're knocking on the > door of the GT500's MSRP if you started with a GT with a similiar > equipment level... >With factory waranty and reliability testing, and without the various >other upgrades. Sure, you could probably upgrade a stock GT to similiar >performance all around for about $10K, and then you're knocking on the >door of the GT500's MSRP if you started with a GT with a similiar >equipment level... You can't get a GT500 for MSRP!lmao The cheapest ive seen them for was close to 80 grand. >>With factory waranty and reliability testing, and without the various >>other upgrades. Sure, you could probably upgrade a stock GT to similiar [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > You can't get a GT500 for MSRP!lmao The cheapest ive seen them for was > close to 80 grand. A friend of mine bought a new GT500 at Schlenker Ford in Hamburg, PA 2 months ago for $47,500. A nice White one with Blue Stripes... >>>With factory waranty and reliability testing, and without the various >>>other upgrades. Sure, you could probably upgrade a stock GT to similiar [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >A friend of mine bought a new GT500 at Schlenker Ford in Hamburg, PA 2 >months ago for $47,500. A nice White one with Blue Stripes... I just saw one on Boyd Coddingtons website white with blue stripes for 80,000 wit 26 miles on it.lol >>>>With factory waranty and reliability testing, and without the various >>>>other upgrades. Sure, you could probably upgrade a stock GT to similiar [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I just saw one on Boyd Coddingtons website white with blue stripes for > 80,000 wit 26 miles on it.lol The person that buys it is an idiot.. IMHO... It is like the Mazada Miatas when they came out... People went nuts and paid crap-loads of money for the things from some dealers... If you looked hard enough, you'd find them at or below MSRP during the so-called "Frenzy".... >>>>>With factory waranty and reliability testing, and without the various >>>>>other upgrades. Sure, you could probably upgrade a stock GT to similiar [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > hard enough, you'd find them at or below MSRP during the > so-called "Frenzy".... They did it with PT Cruisers and now are doing it with Pontiac Solstice etc. Wait until the frenzy is over. >>With factory waranty and reliability testing, and without the various >>other upgrades. Sure, you could probably upgrade a stock GT to similiar [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > You can't get a GT500 for MSRP!lmao The cheapest ive seen them for was close > to 80 grand. That's not Ford's doing. Ford at least up'd the production volume to try and short circuit it. > Worth a watch... > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=y4nMEYIJt38 > > Patrick Sigh.... I can't get enough of that car. I'll never have that car. dwight I just got word that who ever drove the car in the video is an idiot.My freinds father ran an 11.4 second pass in his and has the timeslip to prove it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNhOPcq4mDE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdrlFD1u6vA Check these out shelby with a little tunning,Can't say im not impressed but still very expensive! |
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