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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Mustang / November 2006PLEASE .. need help putting a 351w in a 67
Hi .. I bought a rebuilt 351w from a guy that swore that it would fit in my mustang. (67) But I have two big problems. 1st is the sump hump on the pan runs into the steering linkage and crossmember. So .. do they sell a pan oil pump kit that moves the hump to the front ? 2nd is that neither the headers that came with the 351 or the standard exaust manifolds from the old eng dont fit. Please tell me that someone makes a header kit for this mix. thanks a bunch and sorry if this has been asked before, I have been googling all nite with no answers. mike > Hi .. I bought a rebuilt 351w from a guy that swore that it would > fit in my mustang. (67) [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > mike Hedman Hedders make a 351 to early mustang set for automatic but you did not state if it was auto or manual. also you need a aftermarket front sump pan for the install. Let me know what else you have for me to help more. > Hi .. I bought a rebuilt 351w from a guy that swore that it would > fit in my mustang. (67) [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > mike > Hedman Hedders make a 351 to early mustang set for automatic but you > did not state if it was auto or manual. also you need a aftermarket [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> >> mike have used the original style "tri-by" headers in that application before. The 69 style 351w oil pan is available aftermarket. you will need to change the oil pump pickup. lensman@tampabay.rr.com (walt peifer) wrote in <OmJ%g.4461$vC1.3132@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>: >> Hedman Hedders make a 351 to early mustang set for automatic but you >> did not state if it was auto or manual. also you need a aftermarket [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >before. The 69 style 351w oil pan is available aftermarket. you will >need to change the oil pump pickup. This is actually my son-in-laws car .. and just to complicate things I checked the inside of the door and it says its a 65A. grin .. My googling tells me that the shock towers are closer on a 65 than a 67. oh well .. can anyone tell me if the oil pan from the orig 289 will fit the 351w, it has front sump. mike > This is actually my son-in-laws car .. and just to complicate things > I checked the inside of the door and it says its a 65A. grin .. > > My googling tells me that the shock towers are closer on a 65 than > a 67. True. Check with Mustangs Plus for headers to fit that application. > oh well .. can anyone tell me if the oil pan from the orig 289 will > fit the 351w, it has front sump. No, it will not. All V8 engines in early chassis need a front sump pan. In '69 the Mustang was available with a 351W. You can get a stock replacement, chrome plated, drag race, or road race pan for this - depending on how much you want to spend. Again, check with Mustangs Plus.  Signature.boB Arrived: 2006 FXDI, Red. 1997 HD FXDWG - Turbocharged Stolen 11/26/05 in Denver 1HD1GEL10VY3200010 CO License J5822Z 2001 Dodge Dakota QC 5.9/4x4/3.92 1966 Mustang Coupe - Daily Driver 1965 FFR Cobra - 427W EFI, Damn Fast. >> This is actually my son-in-laws car .. and just to complicate things >> I checked the inside of the door and it says its a 65A. grin .. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >pan for this - depending on how much you want to spend. Again, >check with Mustangs Plus. Many engine shops advise avoiding chrome pans if the car is driven, but OK for trailer queens, due to leakage around the seal. veeger@snowcrest.net (Spike) wrote in <8vevj2hanr4cgpjucmcrdp5uqd7k7lrbog@ 4ax.com>: >>> This is actually my son-in-laws car .. and just to complicate things >>> I checked the inside of the door and it says its a 65A. grin .. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >Many engine shops advise avoiding chrome pans if the car is driven, >but OK for trailer queens, due to leakage around the seal. wow .. ok guys .. great info .. thanks so much mike > veeger@snowcrest.net (Spike) wrote in <8vevj2hanr4cgpjucmcrdp5uqd7k7lrbog@ > 4ax.com>: [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > mike The following site as lots of info on what your trying to do: http://www.mustangsteve.com/ > Many engine shops advise avoiding chrome pans if the car is driven, > but OK for trailer queens, due to leakage around the seal. I guess that thinking applies to chrome valve covers also? if so all those hi po 289's, 69 boss 302's, 390hp's,428cj's were trailer queens? use RTV gasket sealer, chrome or not >> Many engine shops advise avoiding chrome pans if the car is driven, >> but OK for trailer queens, due to leakage around the seal. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > use RTV gasket sealer, chrome or not I stand corrected the actually dimension on the 351w vs. the 289 302 block are as follows 351w 19" X 291/2 500 lbs 289-302 18" X 291/2 " 450 lbs the extra inch in width also give a higher deck height which pushes the exhaust manifold almost 1.5 inches further out, which is why the 351w will not fit the 64-66 mustang, however the shock towers in the 67 up cars are wide enough as ford began install the FE series motors in 67. OK there is alot of info both great and some un tested info being spilt. If you are looking for putting a 351W into a 1965 -66 mustang, I know alittle something about that. There is a number of options available, however,I usually use the least expensive and least intrusive ones. As I said before, Hedman Hedders has a set of 1965-66 mustang headers for a 351W swap. I'm running them now. In fact I know it will Fit , with a automatic C-4 (and some minimal preperation) and factory pwr steering . Be warned it is tight , and you have to switch to the late 65 engine mount assembly (stock 67 & up frame mounts and motor mounts ). They bolt in easy and are way stronger than the early 65 Pedistal Mount. Also you need to drop / lower the steering geometry if equiped. This is also sold in kits from various distributors i.e. NPD.I never did find out if yours is a 67 or a manual. Also Chrome or not, The only way these pans will leak are if you tighten them down unevenly or over torque the cork gasket.(And yes, http://www.npdlink.com/ ,NPD sells Chrome 351W pans correct for 1965 Mustangs but pick-up tubes are sold seperatly,a must) I , myself have had Chrome pans for over 25 years and as long as I installed them correctly and applied a minimal amount of Ultra-Copper between the Pan and Cork Gasket and inthe Mains creases front and back, I have never had a pan failure or leak. I dont own and have never owned a "Trailer Queen" , I only build my cars to perform to the maximum of todays high performance demands. You might think about other things also afterwards like trans coolor, 4 row plus radiator, stiffer front springs, quick ratio steering, lower rearend gear, higher stall, intake height, air cleaner, new alignment. just some thoughts. > >> Many engine shops advise avoiding chrome pans if the car is driven, > >> but OK for trailer queens, due to leakage around the seal. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > not fit the 64-66 mustang, however the shock towers in the 67 up cars are > wide enough as ford began install the FE series motors in 67. Cobra65K@hotmail.com (Cobra65K) wrote in <1162183236.005855.180260@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>: >I'm running them now. In fact I know it will Fit , with a automatic C-4 >(and some minimal preperation) and factory pwr steering . Be warned it >is tight , and you have to switch to the late 65 engine mount assembly >(stock 67 & up frame mounts and motor mounts ). They bolt in easy and> ** 351w going in a 67 it did turn out to be a 67. and yesterday I ordered the oil pan but .. your post reminded me that I need an oil pump pick up extention. Can I get this anywhere .. and what exactly do I ask for. I am about ready to order the headers. here is the link to these http://www.mustangdepot.com/OnLineCatalog/Exhaust/headman_headers.htm im not sure if I want the shorty's or the long versions the current exhaust is set up for stock exhaust manifolds on the 289 anyways .. thanks mike > ** 351w going in a 67 > > it did turn out to be a 67. and yesterday I ordered the oil pan > but .. your post reminded me that I need an oil pump pick up > extention. Can I get this anywhere .. and what exactly do I ask > for. Depends on what pan you ordered. If it's a stock replacement pan, you can get a pick up at NAPA. Most aftermarket pans require a matching aftermarket pick up. Signature.boB 2006 FXDI hot rod 2001 Dodge Dakota QC 5.9/4x4/3.92 1966 Mustang Coupe - Daily Driver 1965 FFR Cobra - 427W EFI, Damn Fast. >> This is actually my son-in-laws car .. and just to complicate things >> I checked the inside of the door and it says its a 65A. grin .. >> >> My googling tells me that the shock towers are closer on a 65 than >> a 67. the 65a on the door tag refers to the body type in your case 2 door coupe with standard interior not the vehcile year. the first digit of the srail number tells the model year in your case the serial number should be 7c05XXXXXXX. Yes, just use the standard front sump oil pan available for any early mustang 289/302/351 ,,they all fit. I have one in my garage on a 289 ,,but there are thousands out there,,,in fact its the more common pan. As far as headers Dougs makes a header specifically for this swap. The problem is that its very close to the clutch z bar,,,and its hard to get in there,,I did it in a 68. The other issue is the engine mount ,,,, there is a problem with clearance on 67 engines with stock mounts ,,,,this problem is a one year only problem and from what I have heard some fit and some wont,,,, you have to find a mount that works. Steve > Hi .. I bought a rebuilt 351w from a guy that swore that it would > fit in my mustang. (67) [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > mike > Yes, just use the standard front sump oil pan available for any early > mustang 289/302/351 ,,they all fit. They all fit the chassis. But you can't use a 289/302 pan on a 351. The rear bearing cap is a different size. Signature.boB Arrived: 2006 FXDI, Red. 1997 HD FXDWG - Turbocharged Stolen 11/26/05 in Denver 1HD1GEL10VY3200010 CO License J5822Z 2001 Dodge Dakota QC 5.9/4x4/3.92 1966 Mustang Coupe - Daily Driver 1965 FFR Cobra - 427W EFI, Damn Fast. 289,302 pan will not fit a 351w, pre 80's car 351w's have front sump pans > 289,302 pan will not fit a 351w, pre 80's car 351w's have front sump > pans yes it will if it as a 69 passenger car engine, there were subtle changes in the 351 w and 351m engine in the early 70's the fact is a 351w oil pan will NOT fit any 289,302,5.0 the 351w is wider at the pan rails & have bigger main bearings & caps. 351w block looks like a 289,302, but its different(bigger) externally. > > 289,302 pan will not fit a 351w, pre 80's car 351w's have front sump > > pans > yes it will if it as a 69 passenger car engine, there were subtle changes in > the 351 w and 351m engine in the early 70's 351w is a externally bigger 289 302 style engine,351m is a destroked 400 & the 400 is a externally bigger 351c style engine with 429,460 bellhousing pattern. |
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