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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Mustang / December 2006Communists in BC vs. Mustang
Hey all... anyone ever hear of a Mustang (fox) failing a gov't safety for loose seatbacks... in that the back latch has play in it and moves even when it is supposedly locked? I've owned Foxes for a long time and I think they come like that from the factory. Seriously. Thoughts on what to do about this? Car is not moving now as it couldn't get registered because of this. Thanks all. Brad Wow.... is there a chance you can ask an easy question? Here's my 4th try at a reply and I promise to keep this one under a thousand words....... or so.... If BC works like Alberta (and I'm reasonably sure they do), your shop will be some sort of independent or dealership shop that is licenced by the BC government to perform these sorts of inspections.... This shop will have been given a book of guidelines.... I'm not familiar with BCs guidelines, but I have to assume they are written in the same "lawyereze" that ours are (I do many different government mandated inspections). For your case, I would need to see the guideline and all of it's subsections and I would need to see the seat(s) in question.... It is rare that these guidelines will leave anything to judgement... they are usually written so that the shop can't use them as a licence to print money while assuring that something the authors of the regulation felt was important is addressed properly. I have, in the past, failed vehicles for damaged seat latches or tilt mechanisms... never for a "loose" backrest" as long as the looseness wasn't attributal to damage or abnormal wear.... I don't have my guideline at home, and, since none of can remember "everything" I usually refer to it regularly when performing inspections.... if only to decide if what I am seeing is within or without the guideline. The resolution of your concern is something I can't address since I am unfamiliar with the regulation. You could have another shop inspect the car... unfortunately it would be at your expense and I don't know of any regulations that specify any recompense. However, if the first shop is found guilty of trying to generate cash flow through misinterpreting or misrepresenting the regulations articles.... anything could happen given the impetous... My best suggestion is to search the BC government website.... There should be, at the very least, some information for consumers a to what they can expect from the program and offer suggestions or contacts to address any and all conflicts..... Any of these regulations are only in place to protect consumers and their fellow motorists (you wouldn't believe some of the stuff I have seen - a steering "wheel" with the word "visegrip" embossed in the side comes to mind.... in another case, a steering column with no connection to the dashboard.... the steering wheel rested in your lap.... it is scarey what some folks feel is "acceptable".... There are no Communists.... there are, however, shops that misinterpret the regulations and there are customers that accept unsafe as a financial option.... Obviously, I have no idea where this case sits.... and I feel that you will find, with a little perserverance, a means to have this case judged on it's own merit.... HTH > Hey all... anyone ever hear of a Mustang (fox) failing a gov't safety for > loose seatbacks... in that the back latch has play in it and moves even [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Brad Hey Jim... thanks man. I'm in Calgary. It's the ex-wife in Victoria. I wish I was there to look at the car but... I like your idea about going online to research this. I never thought of that. :) She took the car to scam-auto who failed it. I told her to take it to Ford but she says Ford does not do the inspections in BC - cause in her opinion, they don't want to deal with teh gov't crap! lol. I think she is right! She did say that they are only supposed to visually inspect the seats, but they don't, and won't listen to her and pass it. There's a surprise. Well, thanks nonetheless Jim. Do you know any Ford guys in Vic that might do this on the side for her. The dealership wants $300. This is a 1990 2.3 LX. If she had $300 to spend on latches she wouldn't be driving this car in the first place. Thanks! Brad > Wow.... is there a chance you can ask an easy question? > [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] >> >> Brad Calgary??? Been to school there a few times.... stayed at the Days Inn on Barlow.... tech training centre is nearly right across the trail... close to Universal Ford where H.... H.... H.... says he's from.... Phew - nearly said it "out loud". My loving bride still has quite a bit of family in Ca'gry.... attrition is unavoidable... Whenever anyone says "Calgary", my first thought is "Peters Ice Cream"... all I can say is that in the 70s... this WAS the PLACE!!!! Sorry I can't help with the shop of choice but a search of the BC government website should give a list of approved shops... The regs I'm familiar with don't leave much to "judgement" but there is a difference between "normal" wear, "excessive" wear and broken.... I'm not saying your ex-wifes seat is bad (heck, I've never seen her seat 8^)....) but, from my chair, it's still up for grabs.... (dang - another bad pun). What I'm trying to say is that there remains the possibility that a second shop "might" flunk the mechanism. Hopefully, I've given enough food for thought and suggestions for where to find answers to either deny or verify the inspectors claim.... You have Jim. And thanks. Through the years you've always been helpful. A credit to this group. Brad > Calgary??? Been to school there a few times.... stayed at the Days Inn on > Barlow.... tech training centre is nearly right across the trail... close [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Hopefully, I've given enough food for thought and suggestions for where to > find answers to either deny or verify the inspectors claim.... well I guess that momma government in Canada wants to make sure you don't get a boo boo in a crash in Canada. God I remember when Canada was a free country. What did you guys do to get such a bureaucratic government? Did they change the constitution in Canada so that you need baby sitters your whole life? > Calgary??? Been to school there a few times.... stayed at the Days Inn on > Barlow.... tech training centre is nearly right across the trail... close [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Hopefully, I've given enough food for thought and suggestions for where to > find answers to either deny or verify the inspectors claim.... L: You don't know much about Canada, but most Americans don't. In Alberta anyway, we make most of the states look like socialist paradises. For the record, there are no inspections in Alberta, and no emissions regulations. How about where you live? We also have no state tax. You? And the leegal drinking age is 18. How about you? Want me to continue? You wanna be free, move to Alberta. Nice talking with ya. Brad > well I guess that momma government in Canada wants to make sure you don't > get a boo boo in a crash in Canada. God I remember when Canada was a free [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >> Hopefully, I've given enough food for thought and suggestions for where >> to find answers to either deny or verify the inspectors claim.... Ya Brad, Please do. Why don't you try listing your total tax burden as a Canadian verses that of a citizen in the US? Lets talk about Canada's fuel costs verses the cost of fuel in the US? (and Canada is a FUEL EXPORTER) Oh that's about taxes too, Ouch, that's gotta smart. Or you might try explaining your vastly superior Canadian right to arms verses that in the US, after all we all know Free men have guns and slaves don't. Are Canadians citizens or subjects? While you are at it, why don't you touch on Canada superior socialized healthcare system and where the wealthy Canadians actually go for their healthcare? Shall we keep going? > L: > [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] >>> Hopefully, I've given enough food for thought and suggestions for where >>> to find answers to either deny or verify the inspectors claim.... Interesting discussion Yeah, our tax burden in Canada is probably higher, but I wouldn't want to be looking at the federal deficit and the growing total debt that the US government is facing. Somewhere the piper will have to be paid. I just had an opportunity to look at one example of property taxes where we're visiting here in New Jersey. For a $350K house, around $8000/year. OUCH!! I pay about 1/8 of that in "communist" BC, mind you, that's in a very rural area with few services. Fuel costs ARE higher as our recent cross-country trip reminded us, but fuel is a valuable commodity and should be priced accordingly. You do realize that right now, fuel is cheaper than water, right? Does that REALLY make sense? Not that Canadian levels of government are taxing fuel for the "right" reasons (ie: to pay for good roads...HA HA - as residents of Saskatchewan know only too well!) Guns? Well, you CAN own guns in Canada, although I think hand guns are kind of lots less common. BTW, I thought the right to bear arms had to do with dealing with an opressive government, going back to British rule in the 1700s? I know it's been touted as the right to own guns in the present day, but are you sure that's what was intended? Anyway, I'd prefer to look at the comparitive murder rate. Not sure if I feel safer south of the 49th (even with - or because of? - all those guns). Health care? Frankly I don't really care where the wealthy go to get theirs, mostly because I'm not wealthy. I feel very served by my "socialized" health care and I've experienced it in two provinces recently. I'm more concerned with not being made destitute as a result of some medical issue (once again because I'm NOT wealthy). That being said, there are lots of issues in Canadian health care and serious discussions are needed, but they're not really happening, just yet...... Anyhow, we're enjoying our extended trip through the USA. Obviously, Americans have reason to be proud of their country (present federal leadership notwithstanding), as do Canadians (present federal leadership notwithstanding). Our countries need to remain good friends, but remember we're NOT the same and citizens of both places should appreciate that. No matter how silly some differences might seem, most of us on both sides of the border seem to think those differences are important. Sheesh - look at that - this was a discussion about a loose seat back......... Dave > Ya Brad, Please do. > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Shall we keep going? > Interesting discussion > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > $8000/year. OUCH!! I pay about 1/8 of that in "communist" BC, mind > you, that's in a very rural area with few services. Mine are not even 1/8th of that. The differences by state as far as taxes is miles different. I also probably more house for less $. Our right to bear arms is in the name of personal protection, from whom be it some gutter snipe or a corrupt government is not a specification.  Signature“I intended that "not stupid" be a requirement.” – Seth Breidbart > Interesting discussion > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > $8000/year. OUCH!! I pay about 1/8 of that in "communist" BC, mind > you, that's in a very rural area with few services. Yes Canada's Tax burden is absolutely higher. That is how they fund the socialist programs. You pay 1/8 that on what assesed value? How much is your local and federal income tax? What rate sales tax do you pay on your purchases? You can't take New Jersey (one of the least free states in the nation) as your basis for comparison. My home has an assesed value 1/3 higher than you example, my property taxes are well under half that of your example, and my state has NO sales tax. One more graphic measure of a nations FREEDOM! Am I free to choose how I spend my hard earned money, or do I give up that freedom and let the government spend my money how it sees fit? > Fuel costs ARE higher as our recent cross-country trip reminded us, but > fuel is a valuable commodity and should be priced accordingly. You do > realize that right now, fuel is cheaper than water, right? Does that > REALLY make sense? Not that Canadian levels of government are taxing > fuel for the "right" reasons (ie: to pay for good roads...HA HA - as > residents of Saskatchewan know only too well!) We are not talking about valuable commodities here, again we are talking about Canada's HUGE tax burden, that leads to an oil exporting nations citizens paying more at the pump than their neighbors, whom Canada is selling oil to. again these taxes are used to subsidize their bloated (all inclusive yet less effective) socialist programs. Again yet another graphic measure of a nations FREEDOM! Am I free to choose how I spend my hard earned money, or do I give up that freedom and let the government spend my money how it sees fit? > Guns? Well, you CAN own guns in Canada, although I think hand guns are > kind of lots less common. BTW, I thought the right to bear arms had to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I'd prefer to look at the comparitive murder rate. Not sure if I feel > safer south of the 49th (even with - or because of? - all those guns). No you really can't own guns in Canada, the restrictions are overwhelming, the few approved firearms that can be legally owned are laughable. This (right to bear arms) one issue is one of the most telling indicators of a nations true level of freedom. What "Free" government fears it's citizens? Here's an interesting read, do a search for Clayton E. Cramer's 1993 paper titled "The Racist Roots of Gun Control". As to murder rates and their conection to gun restrriction laws: Gun-control propagandists will some times point to certain foreign countries and claim that said foreign country, with significantly fewer firearms has significantly less violent crime; thus reducing guns in this country will reduce violent crime. The flaws with this argument are numerous: There is no discernible relationship between the rate of private gun ownership and violent crime rates. For example, Norway, the European country with the highest per capita private firearm ownership rate has the third lowest murder rate of all European countries. Northern Ireland, on the other hand, has the highest murder rate of any European country, but the third lowest private firearm ownership rate [7]. Another problems with this argument is that the comparisons are static, that is they compare the violent crime rates (typically murder) for one recent year only. A study of the difference in the murder rates for Canada and the US shows that in 1919, when there were no gun laws in either country, the US murder rate was 13.8 times the Canadian rate. In 1971, after decades of increasingly stringent gun control laws in Canada, the US murder rate is 4.3 times the Canadian rate. Finally, this argument completely fails to recognize the vast differences socio-political differences between the countries compared [8]. In summation, cross-national studies intended to show the positive impact of gun control, completely fail to do so. http://www.etext.org/Zines/Intl_Teletimes/Teletimes_HTML/deja_vu_9404.html > Health care? Frankly I don't really care where the wealthy go to get > theirs, mostly because I'm not wealthy. I feel very served by my [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > discussions are needed, but they're not really happening, just > yet...... I'd rather have the option of living with a huge medical bill, than dying while waiting in the socialist queue for needed (and readily available just across the border in "Free" USA) medical treatment.. Again, you will find that you don't miss most freedoms untill you need them, then it's always too late... > Anyhow, we're enjoying our extended trip through the USA. Obviously, > Americans have reason to be proud of their country (present federal [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Dave Ya it's funny how coversations go, isn't it? My responses were in direct response to Brads silly misguided challenge "You don't know much about Canada, but most Americans don't.", and his furthar demonstration and his absolute ignorance of FREEDOM. Nobody >> Ya Brad, Please do. >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >> >> Shall we keep going? >> Ya Brad, Please do. >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >> >> Shall we keep going? Seriously, man.... I have lived in the States (DC) and have family there now (Manhattan and Houston). When you say Canada, I say Alberta. That's like me talking about California when you're in Kentucky. Big difference. Our tax burden isn't much higher than the US, and in many ways is actually cheaper. Gas prices in Alberta and California for example are indentical. And your dollar is worth more, so compared to California, prices in Alberta are actually cheaper. Gas prices really are a wash. Our federal tax rates are higher. Blame the Nazis in Ottawa for that one. But again, lowest state tax in the union in Alberta and no consumer tax. Like none. Zero per cent. That more than makes up for our higher federal taxes. Guns. Glad you brought that up. Alberta is the only province in Canada where the provincial gov't has said that Crown prosecutors (your DAs) will not prosecute federal gun legislation. If the feds want the law, they can prosecute. How's that for sticking it in the eye of 'the man'. As you can imagine, there are almost zero prosecutions. People I know have AKs, M-16s, Uzis, you name it, they have it. You CAN own these weapons here. What you cannot do is carry them. You can take them to the range anytime and crank off mags until your fingers bleed. But you can't have them in your glovebox. It's not such a big deal I think. Medicine... well, let's just say the waiting lines here are long, mostly caused by an aging population. But, unlike when I lived in DC, I was not asked for a credit card imprint when I went to the hospital. Here, walk in, if you've got a headache or a brain tumour, your cost is zero. Yes, I sleep well at night because of that. And as I've noted, the legal drinking age here is 18. Calgary, Alberta, is the only city in Canada where you can still smoke in a bar. There are also no limits here on, for example, how many animals you can own. No emissions testing (you should see the exhaust set-up on my 5.0 and Bronco.) Strip bars are just that, not like in the US! (lol) Seriously, this IS the land of the free. You'd like it here. Brad > L: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Brad Wai-wai-wai-wait, whoa. I'm not sure about differences between provinces, but you obviously know very little about the US. Now my gaming group just had one of our members from Canada come down here and spend a week during Thanksgiving with us. And some of the biggest differences I noted were owning fire arms, buying alcohol and health care. Health care that's mostly free, but you may die waiting, booze being bought only at a booze store and only during certain strict hours and guns, well none except for very special certain applications. I am terribly sorry, but the fact that if I shoot and kill a known murderer who breaks into my home with the full intent to kill me and my family; I will be charged and more than likely sent to prison for second degree murder, IS NOT living free. That is IMHO beyond of absurdity. In situations such as that it should not matter HOW you defend yourself, it should be totally justifiable. No emissions inspections? Oh, so YOU'RE the problem then, not us. No state taxes, well then you make it up somewhere then. We have some states with no state tax, but they make it up. In Texas they make it up in property taxes. No inspections at all? So that means any poor scumbag can drive anywhere he wants is some ragged out rattle trap with no brakes. Wow, that sure makes me feel safe. 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