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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Mustang / January 2007BEWARE of Unintended Acceleration...
Beware and be warned. My 2006 Mustang GT Premium Coupe w/ auto trans. We took delivery of this Mustang on October 27th 0f this year. A brand new 2006 leftover. We have not had the car two months yet. The car has only 1100 miles on it. We went to visit a friend this evening to check out the Christmas Lights. Upon leaving to come home around 6:30 the Mustang took off all by itself. I backed out of his driveway and as soon as I put the car in drive the engine revved up all by itself. I put not one but both feet on the brakes and could not stop it. The engine would not slow down or go back to idle. All I could do was steer and try to avoid hitting things. Well I missed the first house in my path, but went up on the lawn of the second home and hit a Cadillac in the driveway. I careened of the Caddy and made a 90 degree turn going across the street into a driveway hitting the garage and finally coming to a stop. When I get the car back from the body shop, I am thinking it needs a dead-man switch installed. The least I can do for my family's safety. Drive careful, with those Mustangs (with the drive by wire systems). Ron in Florida > We went to visit a friend this evening to check out the Christmas > Lights. Upon leaving to come home around 6:30 the Mustang took off all > by itself. I backed out of his driveway and as soon as I put the car in > drive the engine revved up all by itself. I put not one but both feet on > the brakes and could not stop it. Not possible. No stock street vehicle has enough power to overcome it's braking system. Personally I had _ONE_ rear drum brake stick on a '75 maverick and it could barely move. (oddly enough I had the throttle stick one day when starting it up, I just turned it off and freed the linkage, lubed it and went on with my day) In rec.autos.tech there is thread on a vehicle that has a braking problem where the brakes, all four are dragging and his car can't move under it's own power until the brakes release. No, there is no way that you can be on the brakes and the car get away from you if the brakes are in good servicable condition. > The engine would not slow down or go > back to idle. All I could do was steer and try to avoid hitting things. Never thought of turning the key off? > Well I missed the first house in my path, but went up on the lawn of the > second home and hit a Cadillac in the driveway. I careened of the Caddy > and made a 90 degree turn going across the street into a driveway > hitting the garage and finally coming to a stop. Sounding more like a troll. > When I get the car back from the body shop, I am thinking it needs a > dead-man switch installed. The least I can do for my family's safety. Or you could just turn the key off. (of course maybe just not confuse the pedals in the future) > Drive careful, with those Mustangs (with the drive by wire systems). Throttle by wire or throttle cable sticking, same difference, turn off the key. I didn't think I would have to deal with an idiot right off the bat. You have wonderful hindsight Brent, and it is just that, HIND-SIGHT. All this occured in a matter of two minutes. I was busy just trying to avoid things, you idiot. As for the brakes, I got a test for you Brent. Put your vehicle in drive, rev it up to 5000 rpm's and then put on your brakes. Continue to keep your foot on the gas pedal. Let me know if it stops. Don't do this on any crowded streets. And don't stand in front of the car........ Ron >>We went to visit a friend this evening to check out the Christmas >>Lights. Upon leaving to come home around 6:30 the Mustang took off all [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > Throttle by wire or throttle cable sticking, same difference, turn off > the key. :>I didn't think I would have to deal with an idiot right off the bat. :>You have wonderful hindsight Brent, and it is just that, HIND-SIGHT. :>All this occured in a matter of two minutes. You spent two minutes bouncing around because you couldn't think to turn the key off, but Brent is the idiot? <guffaw!> I was busy just trying to :>avoid things, you idiot. Was common sense one of them? Haven't you ever considered what you'd do in different driving situations? You must be a riot driving on snow. As for the brakes, I got a test for you Brent. :>Put your vehicle in drive, rev it up to 5000 rpm's and then put on your :>brakes. Continue to keep your foot on the gas pedal. Let me know if it :>stops. Don't do this on any crowded streets. And don't stand in front of :>the car........ :>Ron Heh, don't try and drag everyone else down to your level of stupidity..... Sell the car and get ourself a Vespa. :>Brent P wrote: :>> In article <458e0c72$0$3854$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net>, GatorMan wrote: [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] :>> Throttle by wire or throttle cable sticking, same difference, turn off :>> the key. > :>I didn't think I would have to deal with an idiot right off the bat. > :>You have wonderful hindsight Brent, and it is just that, HIND-SIGHT. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > You must be a riot driving on snow. Oh god... stop... please..... it, it hurts.... can't breath.... ROFLMAO!!! > As for the brakes, I got a test for you Brent. > :>Put your vehicle in drive, rev it up to 5000 rpm's and then put on your [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Sell the car and get ourself a Vespa. You know, I hear a Vespa can get pretty hairy if you hold the front brake tight and nail it....  Signature“I intended that "not stupid" be a requirement.” – Seth Breidbart > I didn't think I would have to deal with an idiot right off the bat. You don't like being called on your ignorance or troll, don't post it. Better yet, learn how to drive. The accelerator is on the right, the brake in the middle, and the clutch on the left. Which is another thing, with a mustang the way it should be you push in the clutch pedal and the engine can't move the car anywhere. > You have wonderful hindsight Brent, and it is just that, HIND-SIGHT. No it's not. It's another driver who doesn't know how to operate a car or a bullshit post. > All this occured in a matter of two minutes. I was busy just trying to > avoid things, you idiot. Maybe you should know which pedal is the brake and which one is the accelerator, moron. > As for the brakes, I got a test for you Brent. > Put your vehicle in drive, rev it up to 5000 rpm's and then put on your > brakes. Drive? My car's don't have 'drive'. They have real transmissions. > Continue to keep your foot on the gas pedal. Let me know if it > stops. Don't do this on any crowded streets. And don't stand in front of > the car........ Neither of my cars can overcome their braking systems. <SNIP> >Drive? My car's don't have 'drive'. They have real transmissions. <SNIP> hey hey... let's leave the automatic bashing out of this...LOL! > I didn't think I would have to deal with an idiot right off the bat. Sorry, Brent is *not* an idiot. He's been in this group for quite some time and is very knowledgeable. > You have wonderful hindsight Brent, and it is just that, HIND-SIGHT. I've been restoring and driving old raggedy cars since the early to mid 70's. When I was 15 I had a a 1966 427PI Thunderbird stick at WOT. The very first thing that crossed my mind was to run off the key. I did so without taking my eyes off the road. Do you know where the key is on a 66 T-Bird? > All this occured in a matter of two minutes. I was busy just trying to > avoid things, you idiot. Min incident lasted less than 30 seconds since as soon as I knew it was stuck I turned off the key. > As for the brakes, I got a test for you Brent. > Put your vehicle in drive, rev it up to 5000 rpm's and then put on your > brakes. Possibly not immediately, but that's not what happened by your explanation. And I have tried this with several vehicles. I did so after the incident on the news a number of years ago and several entities publicly said they could not reproduce the incident and could not get any car to over power it's brakes in any situation. I believe one was Consumer Reports. > Continue to keep your foot on the gas pedal. Let me know if it > stops. Been there done that, but just for sh.ts and giggles, I'm going to try this tomorrow with one of the most powerful and fastest full sized trucks currently on the market, the Nissan Titan. I let you boys know what happened sometime tomorrow evening. If you never hear from me again, you may assume it had disastrous results. Don't count on it though. > Don't do this on any crowded streets. And don't stand in front of > the car........ > Ron Sorry bubb, nothing personal, but I find this a little hard to swallow. Signature“I intended that "not stupid" be a requirement.” – Seth Breidbart Last I knew even cars with automatics had neutral and those with a stick shift had a clutch. I remember the Audo Problem from the early 80s and it was attributed to the gas pedal over to the left where the brake usually is located and people hit the gas instead of the brake. Regardless when you think your car is out of control learn to shut it off or put it in neutral then apply the brakes. An Engine, has a rev limiter so it will most likely not blow up, but if it does, it is covered by warranty. cost of an engine is far less than the damage caused by running over people, homes, and other cars. >> I didn't think I would have to deal with an idiot right off the bat. > [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > Sorry bubb, nothing personal, but I find this a little hard to swallow. in re: the Audi "unintended acceleration" from = what, 20 years agp? For those who weren't around: a number of reports started turning up of Audi's taking off by themselves.........all kinds of drama for about a year - TV exposes, investigations, etc. and finally it was attributed to nothing more than driver error due to the unusual pedal location. Just about killed Audi in this country. Fine (except there were a great number of the drivers who swore they didn't have their foot on ANY pedal, and other circumstances that didn't match the official "verdict"). I'd tend to be dubious, except I happen to see one of the damn things take off by itself - with NO ONE behind the wheel: at a convenience store, fellow pulls into a parking space facing the store.....leaves it running while he runs into the store........was inside a couple minutes when that damn thing took off in reverse at full throtle! Would have killed anyone behind him because = as said - it was wide open. The car flew backwards, over a curb, thru the landscaping and was stopped by metal guardrails along the main road.......but it hit with such force that the entire body was sprung. Impossible - but I saw it. You could say that the guy hadn't gotton it completely into Park - but what would explain the full throtle? And anybuddy remember Ford's cruise controls around 66-67, that used a beaded chain connection between the cc diaphram and the throtle linkage - and the chains would get hung up on the linkage at full throtle! Yeah, Mustangs have throttle by wire and I'm not thrilled with it. Don't some German makes have brake-by-wire and even electric steering? > in re: the Audi "unintended acceleration" from = what, 20 years agp? > For those who weren't around: a number of reports started turning up of [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Impossible - but I saw it. You could say that the guy hadn't gotton it > completely into Park - but what would explain the full throtle? The IAC. Even with my 5 speed Mustang if you release the clutch just fast enough that it doesn't quite kill the engine the IAC will over compensate and the car will lurch then settle to an idle. There should be the same warning label from a turkey fryer carved on the side of a car AND 70% of drivers foreheads: DO NOT LEAVE UNATTENDED WHILE IN OPERATION! People who get out and leave a car running whilest going into a store should be disciplined by having their head cut off. Arab style enforcement. Especially with a kid in the car. There is absolutely, positively NO excuse for walking away from a running car to go do something else. Signature“I intended that "not stupid" be a requirement.” – Seth Breidbart I thought they found that the gas peddle was bent not the brake pedddle like you would have thought. > in re: the Audi "unintended acceleration" from = what, 20 years agp? > For those who weren't around: a number of reports started turning up of [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Yeah, Mustangs have throttle by wire and I'm not thrilled with it. > Don't some German makes have brake-by-wire and even electric steering? >> We went to visit a friend this evening to check out the Christmas >> Lights. Upon leaving to come home around 6:30 the Mustang took off all [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > brakes release. No, there is no way that you can be on the brakes and > the car get away from you if the brakes are in good servicable condition. I can't buy this either. The brakes should have held the car. Maybe there is a problem there too. Gotta show us the police report on this one. :) Brad >> The engine would not slow down or go >> back to idle. All I could do was steer and try to avoid hitting things. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Throttle by wire or throttle cable sticking, same difference, turn off > the key. >>> We went to visit a friend this evening to check out the Christmas >>> Lights. Upon leaving to come home around 6:30 the Mustang took off all [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Brad Maybe someone will post it on YouTube... Signature“I intended that "not stupid" be a requirement.” – Seth Breidbart > Throttle by wire or throttle cable sticking, same difference, turn off > the key. Does the Mustang actually have a DBW system? Nissan had some trouble with these when they first came out, but it was only in the FXs and when the pedal sensor fails, it fails to an idle, not WOT. Signature“I intended that "not stupid" be a requirement.” – Seth Breidbart >> Throttle by wire or throttle cable sticking, same difference, turn off >> the key. > Does the Mustang actually have a DBW system? Not 100% sure, but google turned up a couple articles indicating that the throttle on 2005 up is by wire. I could probably live with a by-wire throttle, but I need the rest tied mechanically for the feedback. I am horrible in driving video games because they don't have the feedback through the controls. I like being able to feel things through the pedals and the steering wheel. > Nissan had > some trouble with these when they first came out, but it was > only in the FXs and when the pedal sensor fails, it fails to > an idle, not WOT. I could imagine some sort of software bug or brain dead design of the sensor but it wouldn't change what driver should do. In the carburator era, throttles would actually stick, but it never seemed a big deal. Like you said, keep your cool, turn off the key. Pop the hood, fix the problem get on with the day... Of course since that 60 minutes hit piece on audi it hasn't been the same. >>> Throttle by wire or throttle cable sticking, same difference, turn off >>> the key. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > through the controls. I like being able to feel things through the pedals > and the steering wheel. Even the throttle can be weird. My Titan is pretty normal, but there are time that it does things a cable or solid linkage would not do. Usually not giving as much fuel/power as what I am asking for, but then if you try to power brake it the computer apparently knows what you are trying to do and refuses. My Murano on the other hand was just plain weird and very hard to get used to. Possible because it was an older vehicle and one of the first DBW systems and in combination with the CVT it was just a bazaar feeling in any situation other than just pokey point to point commuting. What used to weird out people with the car was to hold steady at 30-35 and bump the shifter between D and 3 and back. The speed never changed and you never felt any difference, the RPMs would just smoothly rise and fall. Comfortable, but odd. Signature“I intended that "not stupid" be a requirement.” – Seth Breidbart Yes, all of the V8s are drive by wire throttle controlled and, remembering Im mostly trucks and those, mostly diesel, I believe all the V6s and 4 cys have also transitioned to electronic throttle control. Default position for the ETC is idle and, depending on what any failure might be, throttle may be limited of it may simply remain at idle.There are enough redundancies and fail safes built into the system that unintended acceleration shouldn't be possible - though, in this life *anything* is possible. There are three sensors in the pedal assembly and all three of them have to be in agreement before the PCM will command throttle (two read low volts at idle and the third is inverse reading)... I don't think that there is an idle validation switch in the assembly but the PCM "learns" closed position and checks that against a table to ensure that it is inside the acceptable "window". Of the few late model Mustangs I've driven, I have to note that the pedals are too close together for my big old clodhoppers and I find it easy to cover both pedals at the same time. Also, when I was active with the fire department, I attended many accident scenes where panic set in early and some poor slob nailed the throttle instead of the brakes..... Unintended acceleration possible? Perhaps.... Likely? I don't think so... As far as trouble free is concerned.... we have seen very few concerns with these systems - most of those on the 3 valve 5.4s and those more in the F150 than the SuperDuty. Most of these have been software issues and reprogramming the PCM has been the cure. Merry Xmas. > <SNIP> > Of the few late model Mustangs I've driven, I have to note that the pedals > are too close together for my big old clodhoppers and I find it easy to > cover both pedals at the same time. > <SNIP> I've had a couple of people comment on how close together the pedals on my 2005 seem to be... Not a problem for me... but I have noticed on occasion if my foot is on the right side of the brake pedal some times my foot will catch the gas pedal... > Does the Mustang actually have a DBW system? Nissan had > some trouble with these when they first came out, but it was > only in the FXs and when the pedal sensor fails, it fails to > an idle, not WOT. It has Electronic Throttle Control as per the Driver Info Center on MyColor gauge option. Judging from teh small issue I have of a short lag off the line (It kinda acts like a turbo, neeidong time to spool up) it would not surprise me if it is drive by wire. With regards to a dead men switch installation, I believe mine has one. It's called an ignition key. :-) Signature_ 2005 Mustang V6 Convertible (Mineral Grey) |_| Member Modern Mustangs of North America (MMNA) |__|ofh@tampabay.rr.com http://mustang.fdns.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- :>Beware and be warned. My 2006 Mustang GT Premium Coupe w/ auto trans. We :>took delivery of this Mustang on October 27th 0f this year. A brand new [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] :>and made a 90 degree turn going across the street into a driveway :>hitting the garage and finally coming to a stop. Who taught you to drive? Put the gear lever in neutral and turn the key off. Sheesh. :>When I get the car back from the body shop, I am thinking it needs a :>dead-man switch installed. The least I can do for my family's safety. :>Drive careful, with those Mustangs (with the drive by wire systems). :> :>Ron in Florida You don't live under a bridge by any chance do you, Ron? ;) > Beware and be warned. My 2006 Mustang GT Premium Coupe w/ auto trans. We > took delivery of this Mustang on October 27th 0f this year. A brand new [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Ron in Florida Ron, This was plain and simple, driver error. No modern automobile with functional brakes can continue traveling while fully applying the brakes... Its time for you to surrender your drivers license, you have clearly illustrated here that you are incapable of controlling a motor vehicle. Please do us all a favor and get off the road before you kill someone. > Beware and be warned. My 2006 Mustang GT Premium Coupe w/ auto trans. We > took delivery of this Mustang on October 27th 0f this year. A brand new [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Ron in Florida Post the police report. Redacted to your desire, but let's see it. Rob >> Beware and be warned. My 2006 Mustang GT Premium Coupe w/ auto trans. We >> took delivery of this Mustang on October 27th 0f this year. A brand new [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Rob Don't hold your breath... I know that it's hard to think of this in the middle of things, but put it into Neutral next time. >> Beware and be warned. My 2006 Mustang GT Premium Coupe w/ auto trans. We >> took delivery of this Mustang on October 27th 0f this year. A brand new [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Rob >> Beware and be warned. My 2006 Mustang GT Premium Coupe w/ auto trans. >> We took delivery of this Mustang on October 27th 0f this year. A brand [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Rob Okay, you got your wish. We have ordered the police report from FHP. As soon as I get the report I will post it. And if you wish, e-mail me your phone no. and I'll fax it to you. Ron in Florida (Gator Man) I think this person works for the new Camaro design team. Don Manning > Beware and be warned. My 2006 Mustang GT Premium Coupe w/ auto trans. We > took delivery of this Mustang on October 27th 0f this year. A brand new [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Ron in Florida Actually, it does have several error checks in the PCM. Theoretically, it's not possible for the throttle to open without input from the pretend accelerator. However, even if it did happen, next time try turning the ignition off. It works a lot better than trying to steer. lol >> Beware and be warned. My 2006 Mustang GT Premium Coupe w/ auto trans. We >> took delivery of this Mustang on October 27th 0f this year. A brand new [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> >> Ron in Florida > Beware and be warned. My 2006 Mustang GT Premium Coupe w/ auto trans. We > took delivery of this Mustang on October 27th 0f this year. A brand new [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Ron in Florida Ron in Florida, That is some funny sh.t. If by chance, some of it is true though, here is what everyone is thinking. You were showing off to a friend (hot doggin'), lost control, and aren't a very good driver, and do not react well. You are why I drive an Excursion. See ya on the road. Duped > Beware and be warned. My 2006 Mustang GT Premium Coupe w/ auto trans. We > took delivery of this Mustang on October 27th 0f this year. A brand new [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Ron in Florida Seems you are not alone... I found this rather interesting... http://www.mustangforums.com/m_2247754/tm.htm >> Beware and be warned. My 2006 Mustang GT Premium Coupe w/ auto trans. We >> took delivery of this Mustang on October 27th 0f this year. A brand new [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > http://www.mustangforums.com/m_2247754/tm.htm What you have found just PROVES what everyone else here has been saying about the brakes, and a normal drivers reactions! "I held the brake down hard which kept me from moving but the RPMS kept increasing and the tires began squealing, I put the car in Park (instinct) and now the engine is red-lining so I turned the ignition off. I then restarted and it ran ok." >> Beware and be warned. My 2006 Mustang GT Premium Coupe w/ auto trans. We >> took delivery of this Mustang on October 27th 0f this year. A brand new [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > http://www.mustangforums.com/m_2247754/tm.htm I have already ordered a "kill switch" for our mustang. As soon as it comes out of the body shop, installing the kill switch will be my first priority..... http://www.killswitchcentral.com :>John S. wrote: :>> [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] :> :>http://www.killswitchcentral.com You now want us to believe you can operate a toggle switch when you couldn't move the gear shifter into <Neutral> and turn off the ignition? Oh we aren't that easily fooled, you silly boy...... > I have already ordered a "kill switch" for our mustang. > As soon as it comes out of the body shop, installing the > kill switch will be my first priority..... > > http://www.killswitchcentral.com What will that do that the key will not? I mean other than further confuse the situation. What *I* find most interesting is the very fist post. As I was reading I was waiting to read about how he slammed into the car ahead and pushed two cars and a truck (an F450 tow truck) out into a 4 lane highway and killed 8 people.... But it didn't happen. He held the brake and turned the key off. What a concept! Next time you get in your 1993 or later car with an auto transmission or your 1987 or later manual and you realize that you HAVE to put your foot on the brake to move out of Park or HAVE to smash the clutch 4" past the disengaged point to start the engine, realize it is because of law suits by people who are way too casual with their driving. Signature“I intended that "not stupid" be a requirement.” – Seth Breidbart > car with an auto transmission or your 1987 or later manual > and you realize that you HAVE to put your foot on the brake > to move out of Park or HAVE to smash the clutch 4" past the > disengaged point to start the engine, realize it is because > of law suits by people who are way too casual with their > driving. I am reminded of it everytime I need to get into the car and push the clutch in when I just wanted to reach in and turn the key to start it. Although.... on my 3-on-the-tree maverick I have to have it in reverse to take the key out. While working on it I forgot I had taken the key in and out and it was in reverse.... I reach in to start it and the car lurches a bit in reverse and starts.... It is now moving backwards very slowly... I walk along with it and turn the key off. Car moved maybe 3-5 feet. Knowing the car would do this came in handy some years later. I was driving along and my clutch pedal went to the floor and didn't come back up. It was bit before I found a place I could pull over. I pop the hood and there's a piece of linkage missing. I use the starter in gear to get the car started (stalling it to stop and restarting in 2nd gear to go again) and I drive back to the point where the clutch last worked. I park and look for the piece on the road. I find it. Cotter pin had broken and it just fell out. I put it back in and put some wire in where the cotter pin was and tether the whole thing to the car. Bought a new pin and rigged up a tether that remains there to this day. Should the pin ever fail again the rod and the other little part will not end up on street. >> car with an auto transmission or your 1987 or later manual >> and you realize that you HAVE to put your foot on the brake [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > pin and rigged up a tether that remains there to this day. Should the pin > ever fail again the rod and the other little part will not end up on street. ROFL!! Sounds like an episode of Mr. Bean. Signature“I intended that "not stupid" be a requirement.” – Seth Breidbart > I have already ordered a "kill switch" for our mustang. > As soon as it comes out of the body shop, installing the > kill switch will be my first priority..... You couldn't turn the key off, but you won't miss turning off a toggle switch? >> I have already ordered a "kill switch" for our mustang. >> As soon as it comes out of the body shop, installing the >> kill switch will be my first priority..... > > You couldn't turn the key off, but you won't miss turning off a toggle > switch? One has to wonder if he knows the intent of that switch is to be in a hidden place to keep a thief from stealing the car. Which won't even work when they yank it up on to a tow truck. A member of the Titan forums who had a HIGHLY modified F-250 diesel had that done to his truck. Signature“I intended that "not stupid" be a requirement.” – Seth Breidbart I'm installing a kill switch, not disabling the starter or the fuel pump. The switch will be on the shift lever where it can be reached in an emergency. A lot easier than trying to reach behind the steering wheel while trying to steer the vehicle. And the unexpected ride lasted about 8 seconds, and the car travelled 331 feet before ith hit the garage and stopped. My Harley is safer than my Mustang..... Ron in Tampa. >>> I have already ordered a "kill switch" for our mustang. >>> As soon as it comes out of the body shop, installing the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > work when they yank it up on to a tow truck. A member of the Titan > forums who had a HIGHLY modified F-250 diesel had that done to his truck. > I'm installing a kill switch, not disabling the starter or the fuel > pump. The switch will be on the shift lever where it can be reached in > an emergency. A lot easier than trying to reach behind the steering > wheel while trying to steer the vehicle. Sure... you'll find that button down there on the console when you couldn't find the key... > And the unexpected ride lasted about 8 seconds, and the car travelled > 331 feet before ith hit the garage and stopped. My Harley is safer than > my Mustang..... Average speed: 28mph. 8 seconds is a lot of time. If it takes you more than 8 seconds to react to a situation, then you shouldn't be driving. w > I'm installing a kill switch, not disabling the starter or the fuel > pump. The switch will be on the shift lever where it can be reached in > an emergency. A lot easier than trying to reach behind the steering > wheel while trying to steer the vehicle. So the shift lever will be easier to reach while trying to steer the vehicle than the key switch four inches from your right hand?? You mean the same shift lever that you apparently could not find to shift into neutral during that eight second long eternity while your car careened across someones lawn past a tree and into a house? Again, you are trying to cover your mistake with crap that as I said before is going to do nothing more than complicate the situation. Oh my God how I wish to see a comment by Kate on this thread. I think I'd have some new sig quote fodder for sure... Signature“I intended that "not stupid" be a requirement.” – Seth Breidbart >> I'm installing a kill switch, not disabling the starter or the fuel >> pump. The switch will be on the shift lever where it can be reached in [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Oh my God how I wish to see a comment by Kate on this thread. I think > I'd have some new sig quote fodder for sure... I'm still waiting for the Police Report... Rob |
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